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1. How can you not be impressed with John Beck after the game on Friday night? In my mind, there were two very possible outcomes:

  • Outcome #1: John Beck muffs the first center/quarterback exchange, and then in the ensuing pile to recover the fumble, he tears multiple knee ligaments and breaks bones in his throwing hand.
  • Outcome #2: John Beck looks poised, makes good decisions, and shows athletic ability outside of the pocket.

Sure enough, John Beck looked great. He moved around well and looked extremely accurate. He looked off defenders multiple times and he used his athleticism to create positive plays. I thought I would be more conflicted about his success, but I am not: I am legitimately giddy that Shanahan's faith in Beck was seemingly justified on Friday night.

2. My previous thoughts regarding this quarterback competition being fixed for Rex Grossman still remain, since Shanahan has not named a starter yet. But one part of my mindset has changed: both Rex and Beck seem capable of running this offense well enough to put our team in position to win. If this competition is truly raging, I do have to say one thing in favor of Rex Grossman. The Pittsburgh starting defense is exponentially tougher than the Indianapolis defense. Beck did look good against Indy, but Rex looked good against Pittsburgh. If you are scoring this at home, that is a point for Rexy. Beck is not being shut out though, as he won major points on Friday for going 5-for-5 on third downs as well as his ability to operate successfully outside the pocket.

Star-divide

3. I don't want to take the fast train to Negativetown, but our scoring seems to continue to be a problem area. If we are relying on Graham Gano to carry us all season, we could find ourselves at the top of the draft next year. Granted, our starters conceivably would have scored in the 2nd half to get us over the 20-point barrier. But when I look at the final scores for two games played so far and the number "16" next to our name--even in wins--I get the shakes. We have been living in the 16-17 point neighborhood for so long now I am starting to think that we are completely stuck. You will tell me it is the preseason and that I should not read too much into that, but the fact of the matter is we continue to settle for field goals in the red zone. That has to change if we are going to take the next step in this league. This has become as much psychological as anything else...maybe the team needs hypnosis or something. I mean, we can go back a long way and see our offense averaging less than 20 points per game. We simply have to get more touchdowns. Period.

4. The running game is starting to take shape, isn't it? As Ryan Torain has worked his way back onto the field, Tim Hightower has made a major claim to be the starter. Roy Helu has also looked like a classic Mike Shanahan draft steal. The way he walked the tightrope in Indy on Friday down the sideline was amazing. The one thing about both of the long runs made by Hightower and Helu is that neither went for a touchdown. I will never turn down those kinds of big gains, but I am dying to see one of these guys put the defenders in their rearview mirror and take it to the house. Both Helu and Hightower have the speed to do it, so for right now I will suggest that it is simply a matter of when and not if they hit that home run.

5. The development of Leonard Hankerson has moved a bit slower than we were hoping, but the good news is that we don't appear to need him to start right away. Let's hope that he takes another positive step forward on Thursday night. If he gets tough over the middle, this offense could really take off.

6. One play that stands out to me still is Ryan Kerrigan's sack of Curtis Painter. It put Kerrigan's never-say-die attitude on display, as he fought down the line and got to the quarterback. Brian Orakpo put early pressure on Painter, with Jarvis Jenkins and Stephen Bowen both getting good penetration. Indy's last chance to save the sack came down to Joseph Addai blocking Kerrigan and the rookie bounced right off of the running back and put the quarterback on the ground. It was so satisfying to see exactly what everyone has been attributing to Kerrigan since draft day on display.

***Today's issue is simple. If you had to name a starter today, who would it be?

Poll
If you were in Mike Shanahan's shoes and had to make a decision today about who the starting quarterback for 2011 will be, who would you choose?
Rex Grossman
331 votes
John Beck
1083 votes

1414 votes | Poll has closed

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I voted for Sexy Rexy,

but I am still internally divided on the issue. If Beck continues to look good in pre-season, I’m going to say go with him because we know what Rex will give us. But, I just want to see Beck do what he did Friday, another time before I am ready to declare him the starter.

by preppiejack on Aug 22, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Rex

makes the offense get big plays and is more “medium” Beck seems to dump off too much he reminded me of Brunell

by jbh1190 on Aug 22, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully Beck doesn’t lead the league in throwing the ball out of bounds like Brunell.

by Jeff Bernard on Aug 22, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Beck

Will have more big plays when they loosen the offense up for him. They had to ease him in, it was his first game action in 4 years.
Either way, I’d rather live with his play than Grossman’s “excitement”. When Grossman, plays, the other team tends to get as excited ws us, which is not a good thing.

by CJHutch on Aug 22, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

God, don't use that word

“Medium”….reminds me of Zorn.

Hail to 'Em

by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 23, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

ha

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Aug 23, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

We know what we have with Rex and he's not a winner

Start Beck and let the chips fall where they may.

"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"

by ThuGodfather on Aug 22, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Start Beck!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First play of the Giants game, play action, they all bite on the Hightower fake handoff and Armstrong goes 72 yards for the score. Boo-Yah

"That's what she said!"

by iH8dallas on Aug 22, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Beck

doesn’t have the arm strength for bombs…I think Rex can challenge defenses deep more

by Meraj Chowdhury on Aug 22, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

is that an assumption?

what makes you think beck doesn’t have the arm strength for bombs? i saw a youtube clip of him throwing 70 yards in the air for a td in college.

by orakpophobia on Aug 22, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I saw a youtube video

where Beck wrestled an alligator and then beat Joey Chestnut’s hot dog eating record.

by preppiejack on Aug 22, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

link?

I heard he did it in half the time too

"You're fucking out!"

by travisjh86 on Aug 22, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love youtube comments

The brightest of people come out and make their point heard. Take this guy for example:

ekahiway: And this is the guy Shanahan hand picked after releasing Brennan.

Had a promising start then just took a dive off the deep end towards the end.

"You're fucking out!"

by travisjh86 on Aug 22, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Keim's reports all camp have been that he throws wobbly deep balls.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Aug 22, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

looks like 65 yards in the air

and the receiver didn’t catch it, but it was there. in any case, i’d say he has the arm strength.

http://youtu.be/dHBy7uIV_iE

by orakpophobia on Aug 22, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've heard

Armstrong and Cooley both say Beck’s arm is stronger than Rex’s. Armstrong basically said it’s not even close.

by CJHutch on Aug 22, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

They said it on the Junkies

Two different days, couldn’t tell you when. I know the AA interview was before at the beginning of training camp. Cooley’s, i believe, was 2 Fridays ago.

by CJHutch on Aug 22, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Junkies AA interview

I think this the link…it is blocked at my work so could not test. It was on 7/28. He said Beck had a stronger arm than Rex. He even rated Beck’s arm strength an 8/10 and Rex a 7/10.

I watched for this in the Colts game and could only tell that Beck has a much faster release than Rex. The ball seemed to get to the receiver quicker from Beck, but I think that is due to the faster release. Once the ball was in the air, I could not see a difference in ball speed.

by liger99 on Aug 22, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

how is it blocked at your work?

don’t you own the company?

As always, I defer to your expertise as it pertains to ball speed.

by Ken Meringolo on Aug 22, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beck.

This season belongs to him until he plays so utterly terrible over a prolonged stretch that the Shannys are forced to put him out of our his misery, Old Yeller style. If Mike and Kyle really have the man-crush on Beck that they seem to say they do, then they need to see if he’s the sort of guy that they can commit to or if we need to spend our first next year to find Mr. Right.

by CarverM on Aug 22, 2011 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

I voted for Rex but I'm starting to get more torn every day.

I think if you’re in a semi-win now while rebuilding mode (oxymoron I know) then you go with Rex Week 1. But maybe Beck is a diamond in the rough. I think his performance is being pumped up a little much from Friday and his rhythm never reached what Rex’s was against the Steelers. I liked Beck on rollouts but his arm angles kind of scared me throughout the game.

I think Rex is lil Shanny’s guy and Beck is big Shannys.

Side note: Is the 500 bootlegs we are running helping to disguise our O-lines weaknesses?

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by Parks Smith on Aug 22, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes to the bootlegs

It looks like our O-line is built to handle blitzes and zone-block for RBs. Lined up against 4 powerful bullrushers, they get beat like they stole something.

"DOWN GOES RODGERS!" -Brian Orakpo

by ThaRak on Aug 22, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

The ZBS

is particularly well suited to bootlegs and rollouts. And yes, moving the pocket also tends to help out our line. Its great to see a coach calling plays that suit our strengths and weaknesses.

by CarverM on Aug 22, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea I thought that's would help McNabb but he kept throwing worm burners

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by Parks Smith on Aug 22, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good thing the Vikings play on turf...those poor worms at FedEx

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by Parks Smith on Aug 22, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's just trying to hit hit open receivers...

..in China. Straightest distance between two points and all that.

by willster on Aug 22, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I for one

believe the high number of bootlegs we are running is just b/c we don’t want to put too much of our offense on tape during the preseason. there may be a slight factor of shanny testing out Beck’s athleticism under the lights, but i feel its just the result of a vanilla offensive playbook in preseason

Hail to 'Em

by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 23, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

slow down tiger.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Aug 22, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

haha +1

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by Parks Smith on Aug 22, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would too. Doesn't it make it so.

Yet.

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by smutsboy1 on Aug 22, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Orakpo > Matthews

Orakpo has similar stats playing w/ FAR less talent.

@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.

by Diesel44 on Aug 22, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha +1

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by Parks Smith on Aug 22, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually I wasn't kidding.

Orakpo has 20 sacks vs Matthews 23.5 in the last 2 years. Matthews has been the beneficiary of playing with superior talent while Orakpo has earned all 20 of his sacks while being held on every other rush.

Grip that.

@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.

by Diesel44 on Aug 23, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh.
while Orakpo has earned all 20 of his sacks while being held on every other rush.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Aug 23, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Orakpo is better than Clay Matthews

I don’t think anyone can say Orakpo gets held more than anyone else, unless they’ve got coaches film they want to share with me.

I think Orakpo is awesome.

See how all those things can be true at once?

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by smutsboy1 on Aug 23, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just a question.

I can’t recall ever seeing you being positive about our players.

by CarverM on Aug 23, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then you must not read my posts very often.

Or maybe you need to do a better job tracking my opinions?

I’m not sure how to help you.

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by smutsboy1 on Aug 23, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The impression given by Haslett is that Orakpo has improved over last season. The UK writer showed a good

example on Matthews, LOLB, using his hands to prevent the tackle from getting the choke hold on him. Perhaps Orakpo will make some technique adjustments that will help his game. He may do better on pass coverage and runs to the left (his right).

by Jefferson1935 on Aug 23, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say you start Rex but have an ongoing competition. Keep Sexy on a very short leash with hopes of Beck starting by mid season. Of course you could always throw Beck out there day one but i have a feeling that Rex is going to have a great year.

by Jeff Bernard on Aug 22, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Couldn't disagree with this more.
I say you start Rex but have an ongoing competition.

When we name a starter he needs to be our starter. Usually when QBs have someone breathing down their back and are on a short leash it doesn’t work out well for either party. Whomever our starter may be, they need to be given the keys and the full confidence of the team and the coaching staff.

I think what everyone needs to ask themselves is who is better for the long term future of this franchise? It’s easy to get caught up in win now mode, but that’s not what we need to be in right now.

We all know Grossman’s ceiling, maybe he can just barely peak above it after being in the Shanny 2.0 system for his 3rd year. But with Beck we don’t know his ceiling at all. My suspicion is at best he can be what Jake Plummer was in Denver for us. But say Beck becomes that Plummer-esqe QB, does that retard our growth? Will that saddle Beck for the next two to three years and then we won’t draft a QB? Maybe Beck can take us to the playoffs in the next 2 to 3 years…maybe he’ll win a game, but is he that franchise QB that can be here for the a decade and lead us back to the promised land? Probably not.

This is certainly a tough decision for the staff. Good news is both guys have looked solid thus far.

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by Parks Smith on Aug 22, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love all the “rebuilding” talk. Rebuilding in the NFL is not like the NBA where you tank it for a couple seasons, get Kevin Durant and you are good to go. The Redskins have a realistic chance to make the playoffs and once there anything can happen. Of course i wouldn’t bet money on the Skins going all the way but i think all this talk of only looking at who will be better long term is misplaced.

by Jeff Bernard on Aug 22, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't trying to imply this at all...
I love all the "rebuilding" talk. Rebuilding in the NFL is not like the NBA where you tank it for a couple seasons, get Kevin Durant and you are good to go.

I think regardless of who the QB is our record will likely stay the same. I doubt either of these guys can win us a game but they can certainly lose a couple for us. I just don’t want the fanbase and franchise to become jaded with an average QB like Beck and further retard our development process.

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by Parks Smith on Aug 22, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Beck succeeds

then it gives Bruce and Mike some freedom to find their guy in the draft. If they like someone in 2012, then you take him. If, for some reason, Luck, Jones, Barkley, whoever aren’t right for us, then we can wait until 2013 if we need to. We can also bring “The Guy” along as slowly as we need to, knowing that they don’t have to start for the next few years if we don’t want them to.

I see nothing bad that can come of Beck doing well and I’m rooting for him 100%. It also helps that I got a picture of him standing next to the wife at training camp.

by CarverM on Aug 22, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Statement two here

Could be a challenge to statement one. Just sayin…

I see nothing bad that can come of Beck doing well….. I got a picture of him standing next to the wife …..

by CJHutch on Aug 22, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rex to Stallworth led by Shanahan and his 5 SB rings is going undefeated!!!

/sarcasm

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by ThuGodfather on Aug 22, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha

laugh it up. When Stallworth and Grossman are SuperBowl co MVPs i don’t want to hear it!

by Jeff Bernard on Aug 22, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Beck was more impressive than Rex was against Pittsburgh

The O-line held up very well against Pittsburgh, and Rex hardly came under any pressure at all (which makes me think that the Steelers were being very conservative with their blitzes). Against Indy, Beck was constantly under pressure. He escaped the pocket and made lots of plays with his legs.

Rex also reminded us against Indy that the only thing he’s consistent about is inconsistency. 7 for 12 and a pick is awful, even if you’re not playing with the first team.

I just wonder how Beck could possibly throw the ball more than 30 yards with that weird sidearm dodgeball-style delivery.

"DOWN GOES RODGERS!" -Brian Orakpo

by ThaRak on Aug 22, 2011 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

When do Beck jersey's go on sale?

May reach the Cult of Colt status, esp. if he becomes The Guy.

What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? -W. Clement Stone

by 1Goat on Aug 22, 2011 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

No....to reach that....

you can never touch the field on a gameday!!!

I am ready for some Redskins mother f&%$ing football!!!!

by shvd98z24 on Aug 22, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beck looked good

It would be wise to not read to much into a performance against a team who has proven to not give a damn about the preseason.

Beck gets high marks for tripping over himself, but I’m not going to declare him the guy based on one preseason game.

I’m very much looking forward to how he does against the Ravens

by StillUnknown on Aug 22, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Got a video

I didn’t where he tripped over himself. It must have been very elegant for getting “high marks”.

by horatius on Aug 22, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

think he meant to say

“for not tripping over himself”. Metaphorically.

by TheDeepBall on Aug 22, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Red Zone scoring

Read an article the other day, but I don’t have the link. Last two seasons, the Redskins have been middle of the pack in scoring touchdowns in the red zone. And that about 8 of the playoff teams from last season were below the NFL average in scoring TD’s in the red zone. The main point of the argument was that is was more important to be getting into the red zone more often than they have in the past, less important to be extremely efficient in scoring TD’s once you get there.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 22, 2011 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

is was more important to be getting into the red zone more often than they have in the past, less important to be extremely efficient in scoring TD’s once you get there.

Wait, really?

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by smutsboy1 on Aug 22, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

efficient is the word of the day...

both guys performed as the offense dictates. I believe rex can connect at a higher percentage on the deep ball than beck, but that may be the only difference between them. They both are good, not great, QBs who, if they avoid turnovers, can produce adequately. That, coupled with a better defense, might get us a few more wins.

by jgibbsfan1 on Aug 22, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

if we are focused on "avoiding turnovers" then rex should be excluded

Rex is notorious for being a turnover machine. even if rex has the edge on talent(which he may or may not have) the fact that he turns the ball over 1-3 times per game should put him out of the running for starting QB.

by mrhinton on Aug 22, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just for the record Beck has 11 turnovers in 5 career games. He's historically just as prone.

Grossman just had one terrible season 5 years ago and stigma has lived on.

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by Parks Smith on Aug 22, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sample Size is Far too Small

And in this case, size matters.

That’s the whole point of the debate. Everyone knows what kind of QB Rex is. Beck is largely unproven. Could have a higher ceiling or a lower cellar haha

by StephanHart on Aug 22, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree the whole point is to say that we know rex

he isnt as bad as some people might paint him to be. but he also isnt good enough to start him over someone whose potential we have no idea of but has clearly shown signs of being atleast decent.

accurate short-medium passes with few turnovers to me is more important than moving the ball well for a few plays then having fumbling the ball on a second and 1 when we only need 15 more yards for a FG.(that we hope gano makes)

by mrhinton on Aug 22, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rex is bad every season

He’s a career 54% passer, 40 TD’s, and 54 turnovers. Last year in 3 games and 2 minutes, he had 8 turnovers.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 22, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

But yet people here were singing his praises and talking about how well he did in those 4 games last year.

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by Parks Smith on Aug 22, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that wasn't me

Can’t speak for other people.

Rex has only had one season with more touchdowns than turnovers. His first, he had two TD’s and one turnover.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 22, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Singing His Praises

People were raving at the production of the offense when Rex took over as a comparison to how it ran with Donovan.

The offense was much more productive and scored more points, which excited people. Thus, they were more likely to forget/ignore the turnovers.

But what Rex has proven throughout his career is: At best he can be a very productive quarterback that will turn the ball over.

At worst: he can be an unproductive QB who will turn the ball over, make terrible decisions, score points for the opposing team, and generally lose the game for his team.

He may have improved some, but this has been his MO for his entire career.

by StephanHart on Aug 22, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both, haha

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by Parks Smith on Aug 22, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I count

SIXTY FOUR turnovers. 40 INT’s, 24 fumbles. And I THINK that’s just regular season.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GrosRe00.htm

by CJHutch on Aug 22, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Count again

he had 24 fumbles, but only 14 were turnovers.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 22, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brain fart

Yep, my bad. Either way, it shows his penchant for letting the ball go.

by CJHutch on Aug 22, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

BECK took over a Miami Dolphins team as a ROOKIE when they were "0-9"

Using any part of that sample is just simply ridiculous.
That team was atrocious, AND he was a Rookie.
Talk about putting a player in a position to lose. That’s it right there.

by jmpalomo on Aug 22, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

You can’t compare Beck’s stats with Grossman’s. Grossman’s are an established trend, Beck’s are not

by StephanHart on Aug 22, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

One terrible season?

Grossma has only played one complete season. As for historically, I think his stats are 40 TD’s and 40 INT’s. He also has 24 fumbles, which means 40 touchdowns and 64 turnovers. Sorry, the book is written on him. Tiger’s and stripes. Maybe Beck is the same way, maybe he’s not. But I’d rather find that out than KNOW there’s a turnover coming.

by CJHutch on Aug 22, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beck all the way

I think beck will take care of the football better than rex. So that alone can win us more games. I’m also curious to see what beck can become if given some real playing time with talent around him. Right now rex knows the offense better but that is offeset by his penchant for turnovers. Give the keys to beck, even if he goes out and lays an egg against the ravens.

The ravens seem to be playing preseason with a nastyness and motiviation I haven’t seen from many other teams.

The Beat Box aka skins secondary.

by Al_CaPWNED on Aug 22, 2011 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Riddle me this... what are people basing this off of?
I think beck will take care of the football better than rex.

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by Parks Smith on Aug 22, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think that people are saying that you cant really turn the ball over

more than rex. he fumbles/throws INT’s pretty often. and his hot/cold streaks are frustrating. one game he will throw no INT’s QB rating in the nineties. next week 2 INT and a fumble, QB rating 54.

by mrhinton on Aug 22, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you know if that's different than Beck?

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by Parks Smith on Aug 22, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

well we have to wait and see. but over grossman's career he

has had 24 fumbles. of the 24 he has lost 14.

last year he played on 4 games for us and had 4 fumbles. lost all 4. 4 interceptions last year. thats a total of 8 turnovers in 4 games.

thats a lot of ball turnover. we are saying its unlikely beck turns over the ball that much

by mrhinton on Aug 22, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strong Hands

Thats the one thing I absolutely loved about Donovan. No matter how hard he was hit or from what angle, he never let go of that ball. Sometimes he got blindsided last year and I thought he would fumble for sure, but he seemed to always palm the rock.

I hadn’t notice Beck do that yet, but if he also has that skill, it’s invaluable, especially if our line resembles last year’s in performance.

by StephanHart on Aug 22, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

comes from 4 years

of watching jason anytime he was blindsided it was a fumble

by jbh1190 on Aug 22, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea But

Don’t knock Jason…that dude took the biggest dose of punishment I’ve ever seen from one of the the worst O-Lines i’ve ever seen…and he was still a decent QB

by StephanHart on Aug 22, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

whats funny is

everyone always said how close his numbers were to McNabb…and shannahan traded campbell to get mcnabb?

by jbh1190 on Aug 22, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jason took a beating...

but do you remember what happend to Patrick Ramsey? Im surprised that guy walked away half the time.

Hail to 'Em

by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 23, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I Believe

They are basing it off of Rex’s entire NFL career, during which he has been mostly a turnover machine.

So it would be fair to say that Beck will take care of the football better than Rex.

by StephanHart on Aug 22, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

So lets look at history then:
  • Grossman averages 1.8 turnovers per game
  • Beck averages 2.2 turnovers per game

Post 2006 Grossman’s tendencies have slightly declined.

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by Parks Smith on Aug 22, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Post 2006

Grossmans playing time has declined. Why? Because everyone knew what he was, and no one wanted him. I’m sorry, if you play in a SUPERBOWL with your team, and they don’t want you aymore, that’s pretty damning. You just cant compare Beck’s past with Grsossmans. Beck was a rookie on the worst team in NFL history. Grossman was on a Superbowl team.

by CJHutch on Aug 22, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

for the part about Rex’s turnover trend decreasing over the last several years. possibly a product of being in a new system (K.Shanny) for multople years that he has learned well and benefits from the system itself?

yes, last year he had some turnovers in limited actions (SMALL SAMPLE SIZE) but he was asked to come off the bench in week 12….more than a little rusty IMHO.

I want to see more from Beck, but don’t be surprised if Rex is our starter week 1….

Hail to 'Em

by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 23, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indy defense is about 3x better than our defense last year, and is way worse than PIT. I still voted Grossman. He did face some jailbreak pass rushers but got rid of it fast enough where it wasn’t so noticeable. Need to see Beck vs BAL.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 22, 2011 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

Seeing Beck vs. the Ravens, and our entire offense vs. the Ravens, will show a lot.

Also, as most know, Game 3 of the preseason is where players play closest to 100% and closest to game speed, should give us somewhat of a foreshadowing of the regular season.

by StephanHart on Aug 22, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

What if its Rex vs. the Ravens?

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by Parks Smith on Aug 22, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

and I hate to bet on things I don’t have any control over.

Only way Rex starts versus the Ravens is if he goes Jeff Gillooly on Beck.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 22, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

5-5 on third downs but what about that pass to Austin

where he had to dive back a couple yards away from moving the chains. I didn’t see anything special out of Beck, but he did impress me with his ability to hit players 5 yards downfield which McNabb couldn’t do. I still think Rex gives us the best chance to win but it’s nice knowing we have options, which made me laugh when Carriker said it.

Couldn’t agree more about the Redzone, and yes it’s mental now. Maybe an Ayahuasca trip is in order, free their minds of the redzone demons!

Our running game looks like it’s going to be exciting to watch, Helu was brilliant. I’m loving the depth and options we have here.

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by travisjh86 on Aug 22, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

which redzone demons?

the ones we are currently only experiencing in preseason? i wouldnt term those “demons” until i see it in the regular season.

if you man traditionally over the last few regular season, that would be incorrect. Keim just had an article discussing this.

if you feel we have redzone demons, it is just your pessimism winning out at this point. don’t stress until we see consistent redzone issues during the 2011 regular season

Hail to 'Em

by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 23, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its Amazing

Just two weeks ago, we apparently (according to the media) had no QB on our roster capable of winning ball games, now we have two who can both win and are ok with either of them leading us to victories. Marshall Faulk called us the surprse team and that he expected us to carry this momentum into the season. Still waiting on Jamie Dukes…….

by KonartistNupe on Aug 22, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Key

gave us a little bit of credit on MNF Countdown last night before the Giants game. He said something along the lines of “the giants better pick it up and stop worrying about the distractions, because if the preseason is any indication , the NFC East is going to be tough this year. The Cowboys, Redskins, and Eagles have all looked good so far.”

Not a direct quote, but close enough.

PS – Fuck Jamie Dukes

Hail to 'Em

by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 23, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

RAVENS SUCK!

Over rated!
Quarterback who can’t win.
Super old defense.

by jmpalomo on Aug 22, 2011 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

For the people who were complaining about Beck going short

Mike Shanahan:

The thing that you don’t want to do, if you do go downfield is you don’t want to lose the football game. You’ve got to be patient. Sometimes when they do give you a big play, you’ve got to take advantage of it. But [the Colts] are the type of team that you’ve got to execute your way down the field. They’re a zone team and about 90 percent of the time, if you go to the big play you’re going to get intercepted or get sacked. Next team we play, they may give you big play opportunities because they take chances on the field with blitzes and things. But week in and week out, you have to take what the defense gives you and manage the game."

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 22, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Love that Philosophy

Positive yardage, thats what its about.

Take what the defense gives you and execute.

by StephanHart on Aug 22, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except in the Red Zone!
Take what the defense gives you and execute.

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by Parks Smith on Aug 22, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Then you need to attack and score, but in the open field, deliver the ball to the open field and pick up yards

by StephanHart on Aug 22, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the Red Zone

you call draw plays on third and goal from the 15!

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 22, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

FLAWLESS!

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by Parks Smith on Aug 22, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

+5

Also, moving the chains keeps your defense OFF THE FIELD and fresh, which we haven’t been able to do for 5 yrs. it seems.

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by HogNasty on Aug 22, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say call it a decade

and let’s move along.

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by 1Goat on Aug 22, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Giving anything for him is a reach

Ask the Broncos how that Tebow thing is working out. He’s big, and fast, and can’t play QB in the NFL, unless someone is going to implement a full blown college offense.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 22, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't believe....

they had a 2nd or 4th next year….it was 5th+ or reach….as usual…they reached!

I am ready for some Redskins mother f&%$ing football!!!!

by shvd98z24 on Aug 22, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

SURPRISE

The Beat Box aka skins secondary.

by Al_CaPWNED on Aug 22, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder what the Vegas odds were 1:1?

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by Parks Smith on Aug 22, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wonder how

JC feels about that? Then again, if TP plays WR it might be cool. Could see TP in the slot running reverses, too.

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by 1Goat on Aug 22, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not much to think

Right now. I couldn’t care less about Pryor, but I think the commissioner screwed him. He has no shot whatsoever of making any sort of impact this year, after coming in so late, and then being quarantined for the first 5 weeks. Now, if the Raiders ARE in the market for a new QB, they will really have nothing to go off of with this guy, and could end up drafting another QB next year. Which would further muck up his development
I know Pryor is a douchebag, and probably deserves the suspension. I also know he didn’t have a leg to stand on for an appeal, so hee took the punishment and smiled. But it’s bullish!t. There’s no way the commissioner overlord should have that kind of authority. If I quit my job, or even get fired, is the next place gonna suspend me because I drove a train over my bosses car at the last gig?
I know Goodell is trying to clean up the game, and I think he started off pretty good. But he’s starting to become full of himself, and also build up his power. I just hope he doesn’t ruin the game in the process.

by CJHutch on Aug 22, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pryor eluded to the fact that....

the Raiders may appeal/fight the suspension for him. McAdoo just got signed and he committed academic fraud. I would rather have a guy who traded some jerseys and autos for tattoos then a guy that 1)Isn’t smart enough to pass on his own and 2) Is a cheater. Not saying I like Pryor…..just making a point about the suspension.

I am ready for some Redskins mother f&%$ing football!!!!

by shvd98z24 on Aug 22, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

like I said

I’m don’t care much about Pryor in general, though I do think what he did didn’t constitute the outcome. The NCAA is the most hypocritical organization out there. Or at least close to it. But i hope the Raiders do appeal, though i doubt they’ll win, since he agreed to it before getting drafted. Either way, Goodell needs to be reigned in.

by CJHutch on Aug 23, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only advantage to Pryor over McAdoo is that he likely got the 3rd round slot money versus the UDFA

money. The NFLPA should take a stand on these kind of issues. Goodell should not be able to make rules as he goes along.

by Jefferson1935 on Aug 23, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah its time for Paul Tags

to come back, he did more for the sport than anybody else in a good way, although he did let them be hoodlums and gangsters. Roger sold the word Superbowl for crying out loud. Tell me that man wants whats best for the sport…no he wants $$$$$$$$$$$$

by jbh1190 on Aug 23, 2011 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could be a big ass waste of a draft pick who follows in the footstep of another big ass

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by Parks Smith on Aug 22, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

contrary to popular belief, Pryor actually has an existent work ethic

and matured each season in Columbus, he didn’t have the reputation of being a huge partier or whatever, he’s just.. well… kind of an idiot…
Russell on the other hand is prolly the worst human being alive. I remember Kiper saying he was like the next Elway or something and I just couldn’t take that seriously. Does anyone remember why the hell he was considered to be the 1st overall pick? He had that one season at LSU when they destroyed Brady Quinn and that’s like it? Only Newton might be the bigger result of the hype machine.

by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 22, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also the include

the Tebow hype as well, who I believe he compares to Cam Newton as well!

by Big Spoon on Aug 23, 2011 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

REC'ed Parks

I spit my sea breeze all over the keyboard seeing that pic.

@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.

by Diesel44 on Aug 22, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

No kidding

He looks like he ate something he shouldn’t have in Willy Wonka’s factory…

by willster on Aug 22, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sad thing is, he looks thinner than Jared Lorenzen for real

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by Parks Smith on Aug 22, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Raiders are always good for a laugh

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by ThuGodfather on Aug 22, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or a second

and now no third. Pretty sure Vinny Cerrato has made an Al Davis suit from his dead body and is now running the Raiders. That’s why Campbell is the QB and Hue Jackson is coaching.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 22, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

They'll get some of those picks back for Asomugha and others.

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by Parks Smith on Aug 22, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

probably 2 3rds, and a 5th. or a 3rd, 4th, 5th

i think compensatory picks are kinda lame

by temujin83 on Aug 22, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no idea who's better.

There is always a fascination of the unknown (Beck) because we know what Rex will give us. But even Rex also is adjusting his game to this team, though this can be said about anyone.

by thewiz06 on Aug 22, 2011 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

via John Keim
Kyle shanahan said both qbs will get time with the starters thursday. #redskins

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by Parks Smith on Aug 22, 2011 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Switch

I say just switch them off every series haha

by StephanHart on Aug 22, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's exactly what I don't want to see.

Its hard to do, but I’d rather them pick one and go with them the whole way with the starters and try to develop a rhythm

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by Parks Smith on Aug 22, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Rhythm is important. If they are going to do that I guess 1 will play the 1st and the other will play the 2nd.

by The Red End on Aug 22, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's not put too much stock into Beck just yet

I wouldn’t say he played great, I’d say he managed the offense while playing off of a steady running attack. I heard a stat on the radio saying that 11 of his 17 throws were in the air for 7 yards or less. He took what the defense gave him. That’s not a knock, because I think we would all agree he’s not going be some elite, franchise guy. But he made maybe 2 throws where I said good job, everything else were throws I would expect of him. This was one half of play, his performance against Baltimore needs to be what we all look forward to in terms of better evaluation.
Now, I’m not hating on Beck as our starter, I think a Jake Plummer look-a-like would serve us well if we are to continue molding a solid running game. My ideal situation is that Beck pans out as a guy who can hold down the position for 3 seasons and we still draft a guy next April who can then ride the bench until he himself is ready.

by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 22, 2011 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

What?!?!?!

Haven’t you heard Shanny’s interviews? Beck is the second coming of a combination of Montana/Young/Elway! This team is going 19-0 and will put up 95 points on the Patriots!

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 22, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

And we are going to the Superbowl Baby!

All the way!
Redskin Negativers beware, you might have to give up some credit to Shanny and Snyder.

by jmpalomo on Aug 22, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you get credit

for finally realizing you aren’t a professional football expert and hiring some real professionals to run things after 10 years of stupidity.

It’s kinda like giving credit to someone for pulling their hand out of boiling water after having left their hand in the boiling water for 10 years.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 22, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I wouldn't be suprised

if Dan puts his hand back in the water in a couple years. If he gets to impatient witht he shanaplan

by jbh1190 on Aug 23, 2011 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

thing i dont like about beck.

is that he takes to much time before looking up feild on those bootlegs. he doesnt even draw the coverage up to him. even when he had a ton of daylight he only made 7 yards on the run. that wont make teams fear him running. but i still like him over rex

by munson21502 on Aug 22, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haynesworth Sentenced for groping

He pled “no contest” for simple assault and was give 160 hours of community service. I think his best service to the community is simply being absent from it.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 22, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

DAMN it would be funny

To see his fat ass picking up trash on the side of the Beltway. I would DRIVE TO THE TRAFFIC just to see that.

by CJHutch on Aug 22, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

rec

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by smutsboy1 on Aug 23, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I voted for John Beck.

We know what Rex will give us. He has more of a ’’gunslinger’’ mentality than Beck, which means he’s a type of high risk/high reward QB. And he has a problem with turnovers. This being said, he has been in the system, and you can say whatever you want about the guy, but he has been to a Super Bowl, so he has some postseason experience.The problem with Beck is we have no idea what we have. I firmly believe that we shouldn’t judge him based on his first stint with the Dolphins (talk about putting somebody in a losing situation), but then again, we don’t know how he will produce. I agree with some here that both of them would roughly give us the same amount of wins. However, one thing that’s clear is that none of them is the long-term answer. They’re both over 30 and have been underachievers for their career. Even if we get into the playoffs this year, I think that Shanahan will look to draft a QB in next year’s draft to secure the future of the franchise.

by DirkQc on Aug 22, 2011 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Both QBs showed promise

I hope to see more deep balls from both of them. I can’t truely decide on who would start but I’m leaning toward Beck. He looked accurate, had some zip on the ball, and scrambled pretty well. The running game should help whoever is our QB because Hightower and Helu look incredible. I also agree points seem hard to come by but I think we will get our TDs on a more consistant basis soon.

by The Red End on Aug 22, 2011 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Indy runs a Tampa 2 Defense

meaning they are designed to stop me. Heaving it down field will almost always result in an incompletion or a pick against them.

We should get a better look at Beck’s arm against the Ravens.

by TheDeepBall on Aug 22, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you

Didn’t know that so it makes sense. Take what the D gives you.

by The Red End on Aug 22, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beck

because he said so.. During the lockout at that.. And he is a beast!!

by Wyler98 on Aug 22, 2011 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll go with Beck

because Shanahan is so high on him. Ball control is what this team will be about. That means limiting turnovers. This just is not Grossman over the course of a season. The Redskins will be about short passes. Taking whats given to them and that seems more to the way Beck appears to play. Its managing the clock because the Skins are going to be in a lot of close games. This is not going to be the best show on turf. Its going to be moving the chains little by little. 4 yards, 5yards. Run, run, run. Then take the occasional pop downfield because they do have Moss and Armstrong. The defense is set up to try to create turnovers. So the key is to have a + ratio. So whatever any one thinks of Gano, these games are going to come down to him.

by hambonejackson on Aug 22, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Man, if all they wanted was ball control

They didn’t have to trade for Donnie fucking McCampbellsoup. They already had Jason Campbell.

by horatius on Aug 22, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think its what they wanted Mcnabb for

but its what they have. they don’t have the QB or the Wrs for a big time offense, but beginning with the Oline and RBs is a start. If their defense can be top 10 and Gano kicks well and they can limit turnovers and control the clock can get them 10 wins. I honestly see the East as open for any one. i am not one of those that thinks the Eagles are a lock on the division. Not since Vick threw 3 ints. Vick has never been a great QB. Maybe he is returning to earth. grabbing VYoung is the Eagles worried about Vick. This could be one of those seasons where no team in the East stands out. I certainly do not want the Skins to be the bottom dwellers again. Maybe it will be the Giants turn to shoot the rats. i am going to hope the Skins have a shot at winning the East.

by hambonejackson on Aug 23, 2011 6:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think tjhey should start rex this week..

against the ravens first team D and watch him when after he gets sacked or people in his face… thats when rex turns into a turnover machine… and this will make it clear to both kyle and mike that john beck should be our starter week 1 against a blitz happy giants team

by munson21502 on Aug 22, 2011 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

don't think they Giants have been known as a blitz happy team...

aren’t they basically “we let our front 4 dominate your 5” type of a team. either way i want to see Beck in there against Balt’s starters

by temujin83 on Aug 22, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed

b/c B-more will blitz like crazy, and then we’ll see how Beck (and the O-line) will adjust to pressure!

by Big Spoon on Aug 23, 2011 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that they should start Rex as soon as possible. If they do start him then I believe they will stand a far better chance than if they start another person. Anything to increase the team is a benefit.

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by lewiscoverdale on Aug 22, 2011 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Another Giant CB bites the dust

After losing their prize draft pick in practice, the Giants have now lost starting CB Thomas to a torn ACL.

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by ThuGodfather on Aug 23, 2011 7:04 AM EDT reply actions  

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