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Nostradamusing the Redskins 53-man roster

Projecting the Redskins entire roster with only one preseason game in the books – especially this year with a truncated offseason – could prove wildly irrelevant, especially as more and more injuries pop up. Oh well, never stopped me from sticking my neck out there before. Besides, we’ve been waiting months to do stuff just life this, why wait another minute…starters in bold... ® indicates 2011 draft pick…

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QB (3): John Beck, Rex Grossman, Kellen Clemens

• Seems like the fix is in and the Redskins are going to tilt the "competition" toward Beck, a player the Shanahan’s have loved since he was draft eligible. Unless Beck truly is all that, Grossman is likely the safer play. Look for all three to make squad as Clemens is a useable piece playing behind one roller coaster option (Grossman) and one that’s totally unproven (Beck).

RB (4): Tim Hightower, Ryan Torain, Roy Helu ®, Evan Royster ®
FB (1): Darrel Young

• Keiland Williams offers the intangibles that winning teams needs, but running the ball is not one of them. If Torain’s injury is ongoing problem, Shanahan might want the extra runner. That would mean Royster, who played ahead of Helu in the opener…on the hand, Shanahan could hold onto the versatile Williams and roll the dice that Royster can be stashed on the practice squad…Signs are pointing toward Mike Sellers being shown the door, though he’s been counted out before. Still, it’s time.

WR (6): Santana Moss, Jabar Gaffney, Anthony Armstrong, Leonard Hankerson ®, Brandon Banks, Terrence Austin

• Banks’ lingering knee injury could shut him down and thus open a spot for rookie Niles Paul or allow the coaches to keep an extra player elsewhere…Unless Armstrong regresses significantly or Hankerson is an uber-bust, the top four spots are appear secure... One would hope Austin or Paul’s potential would win out over Donte Stallworth’s experience, though it seems like a false choice for the No. 5 WR. Austin can play special teams – not so much with Stallworth - and his potential is worth holding onto for a team unlikely to make a playoff push… Paul and Aldrick Robinson have practice squad written all over if they don’t make the opening game roster…

TE (3): Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, Logan Paulsen

• Nothing to see here, other than wondering if Cooley’s injury drifts into the season, giving Davis a chance to shine.

C (2): Will Montgomery, Erik Cook
G (4): Kory Lichtensteiger, Chris Chester, Artis Hicks, Maurice Hurt ®
T (3): Trent Williams, Jammal Brown, Sean Locklear
• The starting five seems set, an oddity considering four were part of last season’ s leaky unit… Adding a 10th offensive lineman is certainly an option once teams begin making significant cuts or if a talent emerges during camp. • Hicks’ versatility, Cook and Hurt’s youth rewarded with final three spots.

DE (4): Adam Carriker, Stephen Bowen, Jarvis Jenkins ®, Kedric Golston
NT (2): Barry Cofield, Anthony Bryant

• With addition of Bowen and Jenkins, the ends are arguably most improved unit on the team...Hard to see a player outside this half-dozen making the roster… Seventh-rounder Chris Neild has a long way to go if he wants to pass Young on the depth chart.

OLB (4): Ryan Kerrigan, Brian Orakpo, Lorenzo Alexander, Markus White ®
ILB (4): London Fletcher, Rocky McIntosh, Perry Riley, Keyaron Fox

• The competition for the inside spot next to Fletcher between McIntosh v. Riley will be one of the most intriguing competitions in camp…Not one natural 3-4 outside linebacker in the bunch. That could give the more experienced Rob Jackson an edge over White, but the rookie out of Florida State is making strong early impression.

CB (5): DeAngelo Hall, Josh Wilson, Kevin Barnes, Philip Buchanon, Byron Westbrook
S (5): LaRon Landry, O.J. Atogwe, Reed Doughty, Kareem Moore, DeJon Gomes ®

• With Buchanon suspended the opening four games, the Redskins could keep Reggie Jones as the fifth corner…Otherwise the team likely would keep a fifth safety over an extra corner like Westbrook if injuries to Landry and Moore linger through the pre-season. Chris Horton’s chances of making final roster also increase in that scenario, but the Nebraska rookie Gomes somehow finds his way onto final roster…Westbrook’s special teams efforts gives him the nod over Jones and seventh-rounder Brandyn Thompson.

K (1): Graham Gano
P (1): Sav Rocco
LS (1): Nick Sundberg

• One could say missing two kicks in the pre-season opener showed Shayne Graham cracked under pressure, but his getting cut does not mean Gano is safe. Probably is though…Banks is both the kick and punt returner, but Austin could take over if called upon.

And your point is...

• This projection has eight of the 12 draft picks making the squad and the other four – Paul, Robinson, Neild, Thompson - appear to be practice squad material. Safety Anderson Russell, offensive lineman Selvish Capers, Willie Smith and Xavier Fulton are other practice squad options should they not make the final cut.

• Notable veterans getting the boot: Williams, Stallworth, Sellers, Jackson, and Horton. The likes of Buchanon and Westbrook also need to be on watch.

*Iff the secondary becomes a healthy unit by the opening week, the 10th player could be vulnerable if roster additions are needed elsewhere.

The author covers college basketball and the daily D.C. sports scene for CSNwashington.com and writes about fantasy football for FFToolbox.com.

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This whole post is blasphemous and should be deleted.

There’s only one Nostradamus here and only one Tillerdamus. hmmmmmmm…….

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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks buddy

LOL

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by Tiller56 on Aug 18, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if you want to be put in company with washingtonwin, haha

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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

na

I’ll pass on that

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by Tiller56 on Aug 18, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would only make two changes...

Cut Erik Cook to keep another tackle. Chester can back up at center. I’d rather keep a project tackle like Willie Smith.

Also, cut Kareem Moore to keep another WR. Hopefully this would be Niles Paul, but it could also be Stallworth.

And those are really more my choices for the roster, as opposed to a prediction of what the team will actually do.

by Reedskin on Aug 18, 2011 5:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Can't Lichtenboogers play center?
Chester can back up at center.

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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good call.

Even more reason to jettison Cook.

by Reedskin on Aug 18, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Niles Paul is raw but extremely versatile, he can be a return man or a gunner on the punting units as well as WR.

by ENsDad27 on Aug 18, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kind of agree with cutting Kareem Moore

While he is servicable, I’m not sure I can take another year of watching him miss tackles. Niles Paul I think would get sucked up by another team if he’s put on the PS. It still baffles me why they signed Rocky again. Mcintosh and Moore are both terrible at tackling. These two still stand out in my mind for looking like bowling pins and the ball carrier looking like the bowling ball.

by skinsymets on Aug 18, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's so tough to do after just one game

but I like your list.

My changes would be:
Torain out at RB, and KW being kept as a 2nd FB/3rd down RB
WR’s – Moss, Gaffney, Hank or Paul, with AA as the 4th
Davis starting over Cooley at TE
I think we keep 8 OL, but I would swap Smith for Cook, and cut Hicks
Have a feeling we keep 9 DB’s, and Westbrook is the guy left out

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by Tiller56 on Aug 18, 2011 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Are you saying we only keep 4 WRs?

I feel like that’s a position where we’ve got interesting depth. Not really good depth, but young depth with potential. If we’re going that short at the position, cutting or PS-ing guys like Paul, Austin, Banks, and Robinson, what guys at other positions would you keep in their place?

Also, I’d be okay with ditching Westbrook. In his place, I’d probably want to keep Capers or Sellers (just for ST) or even another WR (as you can tell, I’m having a hard time choosing receivers to cut).

by Reedskin on Aug 18, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, I was just refering to depth chart order

I think we end up keeping 6 WR’s. I would rather keep young guys than a guy like Stallworth. My educated guess is Moss, Gaffney, Hank, Paul, AA, ???If I had to take a stab at the 6th now(and I know this sounds absurd) but I’d go Kelly.

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by Tiller56 on Aug 18, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha. That makes better sense.

I don’t find the Kelly pick to be all that absurd. Maybe I’m just being way too patient, but those rave reviews from camp have me thinking he’s got a shot. I’m hoping he’s healed up in time for the last couple preseason games.

What do you think about our options in regards to putting some of these young WRs on the practice squad? I’m thinking that Paul and Austin would get picked up, but we might be able to keep Robinson. I hate leaving guys with upside on the table like that, so I’m pulling for us to keep 7.

by Reedskin on Aug 18, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure I feel comfortable with any of the young WR's on the PS

Only one who would have a shot at remaining there would be Robinson. I hope to hell Paul isn’t sent to the PS. IMO, that would be a huge mistake. I love his potential.

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by Tiller56 on Aug 18, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trying to stash Paul worries me too

Granted we haven’t seen enough of him in just one preseason game to have other teams salivating over him. But I think he’s going to continue to impress in the next few games if he gets the opportunities.

I would probably go with your list, but sub Austin in for Kelly. WR’s who can’t stay healthy don’t produce much. And this is coming from a Kelly supporter. I’ve been wanting like hell for him to flip the switch and be that big WR we want. But it’s becoming more and more apparent that he is just too brittle.

by willster on Aug 19, 2011 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

i dont

Think Terrance Austin or Brandon banks will make the team b4 donate stallworth

by httrronn on Aug 18, 2011 6:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I was hoping Robinson became our new Austin

and overtook Both Austin and Stallworth on the depth chart, but it appears he has his work cut out for him.

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by Tiller56 on Aug 18, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good post..

Count on only 2 QBs, Shanahan is notorious for having 2 QBs on the roster and Kellen isn’t exactly a developmental guy and 5 S’s is one too many.

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by Diesel44 on Aug 18, 2011 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with the first comment

I don’t see a way Kellen makes the roster. I do think Gomes makes it as a fifth S/CB hybrid type player. I think Gibson, the kid they picked up off waivers, actually makes the team ahead of someone (white? fox?) I’m just not sure who.

by AinAkron on Aug 18, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gomes will be the 4th S and will give flexibility because he can also play CB.

I think Rocky is cut and they roll w/ Fletch, Riley, Fox, & LoAx at ILB. At OLB I can see Po, Kerrigan, Jackson, and Gibson. LoAx will play both ILB, OLB, & teams.

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by Diesel44 on Aug 18, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

After dealing with an aging team last year, they infused it with young football players. I don’t think they are going to start cutting them now. Paul and Gomes both make it.

by Taylor Burleson on Aug 19, 2011 5:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha

I was wondering the same thing. I think Terry’s drunk

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by Tiller56 on Aug 18, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I had to do commentary with Troy Aikman

I know I would be drunk. It would sort of equalize me with the number of concussions he’s sustained.

by willster on Aug 19, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dream team looks like shit tonight

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by Tiller56 on Aug 18, 2011 9:07 PM EDT reply actions  

What happens to a dream deferred.

Does it dry up like a raisin in the sun
Or does it get its butted kicked but kicked by the Steelers

by PAinfUL on Aug 18, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I think I actually enjoyed...

…watching he dream team suck more than I enjoyed watching our team win last week. But hey, Kafka(?) was lighting it up for them!

by willster on Aug 19, 2011 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Skins depth chart of this week is as usual unofficial. It includes James Davis and Marc Verica who are no longer on the team

roster. Torain still had a cast on his hand when this depth chart was created and had not been doctor’s approval to play. Torain was still #2 on the chart. Tim Hightower has the inside track to start on regular season opening day. He has yet to establish himself as a RB work horse and has never averaged over 10 carries a game in his three years of play. Hightower is likely to be part of a RB by committee. Benstandig’s projected roster is probably better than 95% right and he has a 26 offense to 24 defense split. Tandler’s projection was only showing two QBs and Kellen Clemens would not qualify for the PS. The Team may only keep one FB and use a TE frequently at the FB position. Shanahan used Litchensteiger as a TE and blocking back in his rookie year and may use some other athletic player as a FB, but carry that player as another position. K. Williams is only about 223 lbs and is on the light side for a FB whereas Young is 245 lbs. While Sellers played on 4 of the 4 STs, youth is likely to prevail at FB. Banks’ persistent knee problems may keep him of the roster (This may also be true of Cooley, but he will hold a roster spot after Sept. 4th). The Skins only kept 8 OL much of the time in 2010.

by Jefferson1935 on Aug 18, 2011 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I pray they only keep 2 QBs on the roster

They’re alredy trotting out Grossman and Beck, does there really need to be another roster spot occupied by Kellen Clemens?
I say Royster to the pracice squad, and keiland Williams makes it as a FB/Special Teamer.
our receivers are mine, but if Hankerson can’t shake off this concentration problem, I have no issue with him being 6th and Austin getting 4th guy responsibilities. I want Banks for returs but it stinks that by filling that slot, a guy like Niles Paul, who’s been productive in camp while Hankerson hasn’t, loses out on a roster spot. It’s not over yet though, Banks isn’t bullet proof (but knives won’t kill him).
Agree on both lines. OLB, I don’t like giving White the spot over Jackson right now, but only for now.
Agree on all DBs pretty much.

Oh, and cut London Flecther….

by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 18, 2011 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

wtf

You must have meant to use the sarcasm font for that last line.

I agree on the WRs, if it comes down to Banks vs Paul I would take Paul in a heartbeat. Dude is going to be good.

by TheDeepBall on Aug 18, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moss, AA, Paul?

Me too. I like Hank as number 4 though and Gaffney as number 5. If that ends up being our WR corps I will be ecstatic.

by TheDeepBall on Aug 19, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dig those young guys for their potential...

but I think Gaffney is gonna be a pretty big part of what we do this year.

by Reedskin on Aug 19, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

They won't need to keep a 3rd active QB with the new rule

Two shout be it

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by Tiller56 on Aug 19, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Keep an eye out for the players on the four special team units. Note that Keyaron Fox, who had been the Steelers

ST captain did not play STs in the first half. Sellers and Blades each played on all ST units. ST play may determine who stays on the 53 man roster.

All in all, here are the players who played special teams for the Redskins in the first half, and how many different units they appeared on:

- Horatio Blades: all 4
- Lorenzo Alexander: all 4
- Mike Sellers: 3
- Darrel Young: 3
- Keiland Williams: 3
- Byron Westbrook: 3
- Perry Riley: 3
- Brandon Banks: 2 (both return teams)
- Terrence Austin: 2 (both coverage teams)
- Reed Doughty: 2 (punt cover and kick return)
- Rob Jackson: 2 (kick cover and punt return)
- Chris Horton: 2 (both coverage teams)
- Fred Davis: 2 (both return teams)
- Niles Paul: 1 (punt return)
- Phillip Buchanon: 1 (punt return)
- Logan Paulsen: 1 (kick return)
- Rocky McIntosh: 1 (kick return)
- Nick Sundberg (long snapper)
- Graham Gano (kickoff specialist)
- Sav Rocca (punter)

by Jefferson1935 on Aug 19, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

So Neild has a long way to go before he catches who?

Young? As in Anthony Bryant Young? Maybe Dana Stubblefield will make a comeback too. We need at least one fat overpaid malcontent DT. Something doesn’t feel right without one.

by samthemantis on Aug 20, 2011 12:13 AM EDT reply actions  

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