Redskins Round Table - Areas of Concern/Players on the Bubble
With the second preseason game coming up on Friday, what are the main areas of concern with the team right now and what players are on the "bubble" at the moment, as far as making the team is concerned?
I really don't have primary concerns with the game this Friday, although one thing I would like to see is less of the starters. We seemed to play our 1st teamers more than any other team this past week and I wouldn't mind if we adjusted that slightly. We all know what guys like Moss, Hightower (especially with the hard nose running he was showing), and others can do, so maybe it would be better to give them a rest. I guess this could make the playing field not level for John Beck and his competition with Rex Grossman, but I really don't expect Beck to come out with the rhythm that Rex had last week.
In terms of guys that need to perform or they may be sent packing, Aldrick Robinson comes to mind first. I'm sure he'll get a fair share of returns with Terrence Austin this weeks and he needs to do much better than his performance this past week. Other players that need to perform at a high lever include Mike Sellers, Byron Westbrook, "The artist formerly known as HB" Horatio Blades, and Chris Horton. All have been Redskins in the past but need to perform at a high level to make the team this year. Another guy that needs to step up or he may be leaving Ashburn is Selvish Capers, Willie Smith by all accounts has looked better and if Capers wants to continue to develop then he needs to show he belongs on this roster. Some think Hankerson is on the bubble at this point, but I think he'll be just fine going forward.
I think Brandon Banks is officially on the bubble now, with what looks like no way to help his cause this week. So you have to be watching a guy like Terrence Austin or even Aldrick Robinson to see if they can prove that they are capable of contributing at receiver AND returner. Despite the great initial line performance on both sides of the ball, we still have to pay a lot of attention to how our guards are progressing on offense and how our three down linemen are meshing on defense. Can guys like Selvish Capers or Eric Cook make the coaches think twice?
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I am dying to see if DeJon Gomes can build on his performance last week. I thought he played pretty well, though I am sure Jim Haslett was able to find dozens of coachable moments from Gomes’ playing time against Pittsburgh.
I know people hate the obvious in these columns, but come on…who isn’t wondering what the hell John Beck is going to look like on Friday night?
I would say the main area of concern on offense is still the offensive line play. They had a nice first game and limited their mistakes, but in reading the practice reports it is clear that there are still some issues. The offensive line was helped out by Rex Grossman's quick decisions, and Tim Hightower getting positive yards even when the line broke down. Those aren't things you can rely on during the season, and the team could face a tougher test as the Colts are likely to play their starters longer than the Steelers did.
On defense I think the biggest overall concern is how the secondary will look. The Redskins will be down three starters, and will need their depth to show through. If the secondary struggles the team could look to replace some of their backups before the season starts. On special teams the top area of concern is the return units. With Brandon Banks sidelined and questions about how effective he can be with the new rules, this is a huge game for guys like Terrence Austin, Niles Paul and Aldrick Robinson to step up.
As expected the Redskins are having some fierce training camp battles for roster spots leaving quite a few interesting names 'on the bubble'. On offense I think veterans Mike Sellers, Artis Hicks and Donte Stallworth are all fighting for their jobs, as younger/cheaper players seem ready to pass them by. Last year's 'star' players Ryan Torain and Brandon Banks also might not be on the 53 man roster. Both players are dealing with injury issues (again) and have much stiffer competition at their respective positions. Defensively veterans Kedric Golston and Phillip Buchanon could struggle to make the 53 man roster. Other former significant contributors like H.B. Blades, Kareem Moore, and Chris Horton also could all get the ax.
I believe the main areas of concern would have to be on the offensive line, quarterback and what we have suiting up at safety. While the o-line looked pretty solid last week, what we are looking for is consistency EVERY week, so that will remain the top area of concern for me. I’m really interested in what Beck may or may not be able to bring to the table; the job is up in the air at this point so who knows what could happen. The safety position looked weak in the first game against the Steelers and that could be because the guys who will start are still nursing injuries.
As far as whom I believe is on the bubble, I believe Brandon Banks, Chris Horton, Mike Sellers and possibly Ryan Torain if his injury lingers too long. In my opinion it’s hard to cut a guy who could be a major weapon like Banks, but it could come down to roster spots and what each player brings beyond just being a returner as well as who can stay healthy. Chris Horton was the weakest link in the Steelers game so his name stands out the most. Just not sure where Sellers will fit into the team with the addition of Keyaron Fox for the special teams and the fact that the ‘Skins are already deep at tight end as well. I honestly don’t think Torain will get cut but with the depth they have at running back but it could get interesting.
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Sorry I forgot to reply...crazy day.
For me, the concern is still OL and QB. No explanation needed there.
So many guys are on the bubble which makes this team better. Who would have guessed Sellers would be a bubble guy? People freak out but Cooley might be one. $4+ mil a year and a bad knee at age 30…with meniscus in both knees. He’s an expensive guy to put on IR and at this stage in his career, who knows. It’d be ballsy. Obv we don’t know the extent of the injury but we should know more before final cuts early Sept.
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I had the same thought on Cooley
If he’s healthy I’d say he makes the team no sweat. But….
All things considered...It is better to be seen than to be viewed.
It’s going to be interesting to see the fanbase’s reaction if he is cut. Sellers at TE makes more sense now.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 18, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Cooley lasted to like the 140th pick in my fantasy draft yesterday
I had snagged jermicheal finley and picked up fred davis with my last pick. got santana with some good value in like the 9th round
that’s shocking that a 90 rec/1000 yrd receiver goes that late. Sign me up for this league! Hopefully it’s a $500 buy in.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 18, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
haha it's a $75
but I was shocked, there were alot of good guys picking I think the injury concern scared everyone off. there was only one really bad guy picking he picked mark ingram at 15th overall….
not that i don't like ingram
but he could have had him next round or even the round after no problem
Try round 7.
I’ve seen Ingram fall even farther than that before getting drafted in my mock drafts, nobody wants to pick rookies up as early as Yahoo says they should be.
My suspicion
is that Beck is not going to look so good. Granted I would love nothing more than to be wrong.
The discussion on HH tends to get dominated by a couple of poster. Thereafter, these contributors tend to influence
the slant that many other HH posters take. The thinking process tends to reinforce itself. Some posters make statements such about Torain’s speed without any substantiation of facts – a cursory investigation can dispel much of that nonsense.
Take the issue of Torain’s injury history. Many players have hamstring injuries such as Moss in the past as well as Atogwe and Landry currently. Parks has probably pegged the hand injury that Torain is recovering from as nothing to base a pattern on that would be considered injury prone. What the proponents of injury prone talk don’t tend to appreciate is the number of carries that Torain had prior to being laid off with his hamstring problem. There is not much reason to assume that Torain will not have as many carries as he had in the 2010 season even with running back by committee. Hightower has never averaged more than ten carries a game, yet he is proposed as the Team work horse.
Given the OL’s poor performance for much of the 2010 season, Torain could very well do much better than his 2010 performance. If Cooley does not show much improvement in his knee(s) healing Kevin suggestion may likely occur. The Skins would lose a clutch/possession receiver that would need to be replaced. The TE position may all of a sudden not be one of strength.
Rich Tandler has given his take on the Redskins’ roster in the two following articles. Tandler’s perception presents a very likely occurrence for the Skins 53 man roster.
The Redskins’ roster locks -
http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2011/08/the-redskins-roster-locks.html
Redskins roster—the probables -
http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2011/08/redskins-roster-the-probables.html
let banks in on as a wr this week
he needs more of a chance imo. hate to lose some1 with that much speed.
He's out this week with a knee injury
Unless that status has changed.
No he's not on the team plane, def out.
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Unless he is planning to run all the way to Lucas Oil Stadium
You gotta give the Banks boosters some hope man!
Beck, Beck, Beck
I also would like to see the starters leave earlier but for a different reason, Id like to see Beck adapt and react to the change in personnel around him.
Hankerson needs to prove to me that he deserves a roster spot over a guy like Terrence Austin or Niles Paul who are taking advantage of their opportunities. His being drafted in the 3rd makes him more expendable than had he been a 1st or 2nd. I dont expect him to lose his spot though simply because of his upside, but he def needs to fix this concentration problem.
I also want to continue seeing Kerrigan and Jenkins flash. They can stay out there for an entire half again but I can tell you that I was wigging out last week when it was the end of the half and Orakpo/Santana/Williams was still out there.
Also give me a heavier dose of Helu.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 18, 2011 3:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Why?
Id like to see Beck adapt and react to the change in personnel around him.
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Because Id to see if theres a drop off
Or he falls out of rythem if hes in one or if hes able to adapt and remain consistent. Im more intrigued by the little things like the look of him rather than a stat line
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 18, 2011 3:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I feel like I was reading somewhere...
that Shanahan likes to let his RBs get into a rhythm when he’s evaluating their play. Last week was sort of Royster’s turn, and this week, Helu is supposed to get the bulk of the carries. At least that’s what I think I remember reading somewhere.
Linebackers on the Bubble
Safe:
Orakpo
Kerrigan
The old man in the middle
McIntosh
Perry-75% safe
That is it- Anyone else better play lights out. Cut down day is coming soon which means alot of good linebackers may be let go from other teams.
I think theyre in love w Alexander and his versatility
but what coach wouldn’t, hes survived 3.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 18, 2011 3:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lets make a deal
i hope beck comes out and dose well i really do but i am concerned with a 30 yr old rookie and a 30 yr old back up on most teams . last week i watched the new england game and the kid brain hoyer was awesome . 25 accurate hit the receivers in the chest on the run no stoping or reaching back he looked great …he was playiong against the first unit of the jags ..i htink they are going to trade either him or mallet at some point cause brady has some good years left in him and man i would love to see him as a skin …
Beck isn't a rookie if thats what you were trying to say...
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basicly
im sorry your right a 30 year old who for years wasnt good enough to win any more then the back up role no matter where hes been …i just dont see what is to be gained here i think IMO that if you had a younger more accurate QB who could grow with the team you would be better off.
What does that mean??
are a product of their system
I know that their are “systems” at the collegiate level that enhance a QBs stats but I’m not to sure about the NFL. If there is a “system” that produces QBs like Tom Brady, then maybe we should be running it.
When Matt Cassel Spelled Tom Brady in NE
They won 11 games. He then went to KC and had a 69.9 QB rating for the year. He did up his production this year but he also had a superior running game. The offense they run their in NE is designed to make QBs look good, high percentage passes with receives that are good with the ball after the catch.
It's not a "system"
It’s a very good, talented team as opposed to a not very good KC team, or at least not very good in Cassels first year there.
secondary
Main area of concern….. D hall is vastly overrated. We lost our best corner. Need J Wilson and K Barnes to step up. Can’t excel when your #1 corner is at or near the bottom of the league in completion percentage allowed.
by Taylor Burleson on Aug 18, 2011 4:08 PM EDT reply actions
I don't see Banks as being "On the Bubble"
Really good return men are hard to find, if we get rid of him I would think that he would have some trade value. I think that Horton, Hicks, Stallworth, maybe Sellers & definitely Capers will be cut.
We should all debate this..
I don’t see Banks as being “On the Bubble”
Really good return men are hard to find,
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What do you want to debate??
That IMHO Banks is not “On the Bubble” or that really good return men are hard to find??
It was a joke b/c it's been the most debated subject for the past couple of weeks.
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I also want to see more Helu this time.
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by iH8dallas on Aug 18, 2011 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec.
I drafted him in the MtD fantasy draft last night as a back-up. I needed at least 2 Huskers to balance out the 2 Sooners I took.
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man...I love your dedication to the Huskers
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by Ken Meringolo on Aug 18, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Banks not on bubble.....but..
I dont think that Banks is on the bubble, but i could easily see him ending up on IR if his knee is problematic AND one of the young guys steps up and shows he can handle return duties..That way you postpone the decision on Banks for a year ..I cant imagine he costs too much to stash that way
My main area of concern this Friday will be the performance of our water boy… Robert Boucher JR
Bobby, as he is known in the Skins’ locker, is trying to build on a pro-bowl caliber performance 2 years ago. As we all remember, last season was cut short due to a game-day injury to his Medula Oblongata. After months in rehab, and some "high quality H2O", Robert "Bobby" Boucher Jr is ready to show the world what he is all about. When reached for comments, Bobby quoted his hero; "Captain Insano shows no mercy"… Show no mercy Robert… Show no mercy!
by 1x1an on Aug 18, 2011 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well I mean technically he was already cut...
during the offseason, am I right?
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by TerroristFistJab on Aug 18, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i wanna see more pass rush
I want to see the D better against the run…i also would like to see more of westbrook and im eagered to see how hankerson follows up after a dreadful first game.
by mr.snyderhireme on Aug 18, 2011 8:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Pitt flattening the Eagles tonight
Of course, almost meaningless.
The announcers were discussing who the surprise teams might be this year (Detroit, St Louis). Nobody mentioned the Skins. We just don’t get any respect, probably due to the QB situation. Nothing that 10 wins won’t cure.
i was thinking the same thing donnio
if we can beat the giants week 1 people might start looking at us a maybe contender. im thinking this game tonite made us look good lol
by munson21502 on Aug 18, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea like last year when we beat the Cowboys! WaaaaamppWaaaaaaa
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i really hope we play smart tomorrow
would love to see us go for fieldgoal drives. of 36-50 yarders drive the ball to that range then kick on 3rd down. if we get inside the 20 get hank some shots in the endzone. play rex maybe a few snaps let the rookie play the rest in the second half. just got a bad feeling some1 good is gonna get hurt tomorrow night:(

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