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Jason Reid Was Right: There Is No QB Competition In DC--The Job Belongs to Rex Grossman Though, Not John Beck

When Jason Reid writes something, he believes it.

When Jason Reid writes something, I usually believe it, too.

That said, I have a very hard time believing the recent story by Jason telling us all that the starting quarterback job is John Beck's to lose. I don't have an undercover anonymous source and I promise you I know less than Jason Reid when it comes to the world of professional journalism. (I happen to think very highly of Jason...I am sure the feeling is...uhhh...who am I kidding, Jason couldn't pick me out of a lineup.)

This is purely a tea leaves reading kind of post. I have been telling everyone who will listen for the last four months that Rex Grossman is the guy the Shanahans want under center and that any talk of a legit competition is simply lip service. I continue to believe this despite reports of Mike Shanahan's high opinion of John Beck.

I think you can successfully argue both sides of this thing, but here are my reasons for thinking the contest is--as Reid suggests--"fixed" and why I think this job is and has always been Rex's to lose.

Star-divide

Let's gloss over a few of the obvious points first. Rex has been with Kyle Shanahan since Houston and the two are very much on the same page with regard to Kyle's offensive philosophy. In his last year in Houston and his first year in Washington, it has been argued that Rex grasped the offense better than the starter (Matt Schaub in Houston and Donovan McNabb in Washington.) When it came time to play for the future, it was Rex Grossman that got the starts in garbage time last year and the fact that he was brought back for the 2011 season is at least partly an indication that the coaching staff thought he performed well enough to deserve some love.

Rex Grossman is exactly what Kyle and Mike Shanahan want on the field: a player who will likely do EVERY SINGLE thing he is told to do. Kyle can operate Rex like a video game character straight out of Madden. Then again, John Beck is probably just as likely to do what he's told as well. But given that Rex and Kyle have been together now for going on three years, they are farther along in the mind-meld process than Beck and Kyle.

When Mike Shanahan indicated that John Beck was or could be the "guy" for the Redskins in 2011, he kicked the lockout right off of the front page. We all went nuts. The Shanahans had been lusting after Beck since his BYU days we were told. His maturity, intellect and work ethic endeared him to the coaches. And then John Beck started doing interviews. Personally, I think Shanahan knew all along what kind of animal he was unleashing when he told the world John Beck could very well be the starter in 2011. Shanahan is no dummy, and we know this. He totally controlled the media for a stretch there, and it was diabolically brilliant.

This Redskins team is clearly rebuilding, and neither Rex Grossman nor John Beck is likely to be the long-term solution at quarterback. Both of these guys could provide the Shanahans with a comfortable option at quarterback as long as they are the coaches here, assuming that they will be around for at least the next few years. Both players are about 30 years old, which would preclude either one from being a natural choice to be a "quarterback of the future." Both of these guys have also been working their way down the "backup" path in the league for the last few years. My point is that we all kind of agree that sooner or later--probably sooner--Bruce Allen is going to draft a stud signal caller to don the mantle of "Savior" for the burgundy and gold.

I think part of this riddle involves how you think we will attack that specific task. While losing is definitely not a priority for the Shanahans, creating a situation where the lumps we take lead to a top draft pick is a very real possibility, and one you would never hear anyone admit to in Ashburn.

I would like to hypothesize that if Bruce Allen wants to select one of the top quarterbacks in the draft next season, he will make that happen regardless of what our Win/Loss record--and corresponding draft pick--ends up being. So perhaps Mike Shanahan is not using John Beck to get him closer to Andrew Luck. And if Shanny is not going to run with the quarterback that gives him the best chance of losing, you would assume he is going to use the quarterback that gives him the best chance of getting wins.

That quarterback is Rex Grossman.

There is also the issue of having a quarterback on the staff who is intimately familiar with the system and can be instrumental in helping bring a rookie up to speed. Assuming both Beck and Grossman remain on the roster this season, it is possible that both of these men could potentially be capable of this task. That could be the real competition and the only undecided aspect of the quarterback battle royale.

But don't we have to keep coming back to the fact that Rex Grossman has been to the Super Bowl, has played at a high level in this league and is super best friends with Kyle Shanahan? Sure, you have to have a competition to make people happy--especially when you have a roster full of young, unproven players. And you can also argue that John Beck could potentially win the job. Until he takes his starter's snaps against Indy, we really won't have a firm grasp of his potential on this team (though the coaches surely have an idea already.)

I believe that the logical conclusion here is that Rex Grossman--the hand-picked and personally groomed quarterback of our current offensive coordinator--is already the starting quarterback on this team. I believe that John Beck is respected and revered by our coaches as a hard worker and a smart player, but there is very little to suggest that he is better than Rex in this system or even better than Rex as an NFL player. Rex has even matched Beck's ridiculous statement generator by suggesting we can win the NFC East.

So if you're keeping track, I agree with Jason Reid that this is not a real competition. I agree with Jason Reid that the coaches have made up their minds who the starter is going to be in 2011. I disagree about who that player is...

Let the Rex Grossman era begin!

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I agree with all of this and I think it will become even more apparent tomorrow...

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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I could very well be wrong, but...

Is it possible that the Shanahans have “secretly” wanted and/or hoped rex would seperate himself as the clear starter, and spread the news about John Beck having a legitmate shot to start week 1 with the hopes that it lit a competitive fire under Grossman’s ass? Could this Beck thing all be a motivational ploy unleashed by the Shannys merely to get the best, however average it may be, out of Rexy. Only time will tell, but if Grossman “lights” it up (and I use that term very loosely) throughout preseason and gets the nod week one, it will undoubtedly have had some effect on the outcome of grossman’s “elevated” level of play.

by CuseSkinsfan1 on Aug 19, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think we are reading way too much into this

These guys are both back-ups, and are replacement level on this team

I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!

by Tiller56 on Aug 19, 2011 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is that your new favorite term? "Replacement level"

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by Parks Smith on Aug 19, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

since we have so many of these guys on the team. But the credit goes to Smuts, as he seemed to have coined the phrase.

Here’s a fun game. Name your favorite “replacement level” Redskin

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by Tiller56 on Aug 19, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping Grossman has a Rypien-esque year circa '91!

We won’t win the superbowl even if he does, but he has the potential too!

by Toosy_13 on Aug 19, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Prepare to be very disappointed, then.

Still very likely Beck gets the nod Week 1. My understanding is Beck has to fail miserably in preseason for Rex to win job.

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by DShif on Aug 18, 2011 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

your understanding from reading Reid's article?

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 18, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea, all the media is saying it incl Don Banks

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 18, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think it's a shocker to believe that...

…The Shanahans want Beck to win the job. But I agree he does have to WIN the job.

We’ll see if he actually does. He basically has tomorrow and next Thursday to prove it.

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by DShif on Aug 18, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd agree with that

Rex puts the ball on the ground a lot and he had some horrible throws in that “standout” game at Dallas.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 18, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

DShif, what are basing this off of?

It’s baseless media speculation. This all started after the draft when the media asked Shanny what he thought about Beck and then he said he thought he was a good QB. What the hell was Shanny going to say, “this guy sucks”? The media ran with and over-sensationalized from Day 1. I’ve seen nothing with significant weight that either Shanny prefers Beck. If that was the case then why bring in Rex? Why not go with Beck, Clemens, Chappell?

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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shif is at practice every day, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on his Beck evaluation

I’ll tell you what…I can believe that the Shanahan want Beck to win the job, but I don’t think he will.

by Ken Meringolo on Aug 18, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being at practice has nothing to do with the Shannys heads.

Guy is the most cryptic bullshitter in the NFL.

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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's just my opinion.

The great part about this, like Ken mentioned, is that we’ll all find out the truth Week 1. If Beck starts despite a so so preseason, you’ll have your answer.

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by DShif on Aug 18, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because regardless of whether they actually want Beck to win this job,

Grossman is the best option as a back-up out of all the QB’s available in FA! If Beck goes down, Grossman still gives this team the same likelihood of winning! Personally I don’t mind who we go with as long as he gives us the best chance to win, be that Beck, Grossman, Clemens or Chappell (I believe Chappell is either on the PS or 3rd QB, from reports I’ve read, Shanny really wanted to sign him)!

by Toosy_13 on Aug 18, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lets follow that theory. 1) Why would Rex sign here? 2) Why did we sign Clemens?

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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

1) The belief of starting in the NFL again

2) Competition
I am impartial to whoever is the starting QB of this team, however before Rex signed didn’t Shanahan give an interview where he said that he never stated that Beck would be starter! You said it your self ‘[Mike Shanahan is] the most cryptic bullshitter in the NFL’! It can go either way

by Toosy_13 on Aug 18, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

1) Why would Rex sign here? 2) Why did we sign Clemens?

1. because he thinks he can win the job, Beck not withstanding.

2. Clemens is a former starter and can take the #3 job or assuming he shows well in the preseason maybe even the #2.

by DudleyDoright on Aug 18, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Time is not in favor of Clemens becoming the #2 very soon if at all. If the Team elects to only carry two

QBs Clemens is gone. In that case Chappell is the PS QB unless a better choice happens after the cut downs on 9/4/11. A 3rd QB could also be snatched up from another team’s PS.

by Jefferson1935 on Aug 18, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Clemens can't beat out Grossman or Beck

what are his chances of remaining in the NFL?

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by Tiller56 on Aug 19, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then Rex will win the job
My understanding is Beck has to fail miserably in preseason for Rex to win job.

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by ThuGodfather on Aug 18, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha I was thinking the same thing.

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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I figured I should cement my stance a little

I did not want to be wishy washy on it…and it does set me up to be either very right or very wrong.

It would only be the 9,785th time I was dead wrong (this week.)

by Ken Meringolo on Aug 18, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beck the Halls with Throws of Jolly

I don’t see how the Shanny’s can trot Beck out Week 1 vs the Giants as inconsistent as Beck has been. Grossman played miserably, but well, I guess Friday night will be fun. I can’t remember the last time I looked this forward to a game except week 1 last year.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 18, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

*as inconsistent as Beck has been in practice

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 18, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's had a good week of practice, IMO

Looked healthy, had zip on all his passes, short and deep. Had great touch on deep passes down sidelines to covered receivers.

I’m not saying he’s Peyton Manning, but I think he’ll be okay.

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by DShif on Aug 18, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok...interesting

I thought I read on Monday/Tuesday he was inconsistent.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 18, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's been less inconsistent

So when I say he was “good” I compare it to his earlier practices.

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by DShif on Aug 18, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

So he's still really bad instead of sucking?

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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah, we'll see

Rex didn’t look very good in practice at all prior to the game against the Steelers.

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by DShif on Aug 18, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention Rex didn't look that good...

against real, live defenses last year either. He wasn’t Tim Hasselbeck bad, but I’m finding it hard to believe that anyone could think that Rex is going to give you much at the position.

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by TerroristFistJab on Aug 18, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's hard for me to imagine a pretty much minimum wage QB on a one year contract is a Guaranteed Starter

What if Beck goes out and throws 8 for 8, 160 yards and 2 touchdowns against Indy’s starters on the first two possessions?
I doubt Rex would be starting.
And Rex AIN"T Starting Friday Night. (Is he injured? Is Shanny saving him? Nah, it’s just that Rex aint the starter).

by jmpalomo on Aug 18, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Just like last year

Shanahan rotates his QBs to face #1 teams…“starter” means nothing in Shanny’s pre-season depth charts.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 18, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

that is the key !

if you think that Grossman is your choice all along, why would you wait to re sign him until after he is a free agent, and then only sign him for 1 year ?
thye showed more confidence in Beck by signing him for more than 1 year last year.. where is the similar love for Rex ?

I think they will go with Rex if Beck flops, but all things being equal, it is Beck they want for the next several years

by shally on Aug 18, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rex turned down a multi-year offer, it wasn't the Redskins that opted for the one year deal.

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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Futhermore, how do you know it wasn't Rex holding things up rather than the Skins?

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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think Shanahan

would give up a 1 a 2 next years 1 and 3 probably a 5 and a 6 to move up for Andrew Luck?

by jbh1190 on Aug 18, 2011 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe thats why he's acquiring all these picks

and maybe thats why he got so many picks this year because he knew he might have to give up a lot to get Luck

by jbh1190 on Aug 18, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that if the goal is to land a top quarterback, they will deploy their resources to get him

If we suck this year and are in position to draft him with our own pick that would be easy. If we win a few games and find ourselves out of position, they could justify the move by suggesting the rebuild is moving along nicely and the time is ripe to get the stud QB

by Ken Meringolo on Aug 18, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

if that is the asking price...

we will get the better of the deal. Luck is a “once-in-a-lifetime” opportunity and worth whatever to acquire. It appears to me very obvious what this teams intent is for next years draft, given the two guys fighting for the starting position are working on the final year of each’s contract.

If, for any reason, we do not draft Luck, I am also ok with Landry, from Oklahoma. But we should do whatever to pick the quarterback who will solve our biggest issue for the last 20 yrs, who will take care of the position for the next 15 yrs -—Andrew Luck. Let’s hope we are so lucky.

by jgibbsfan1 on Aug 19, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm about 99.9% sure that about 75% of the people that talk about what a great prospect Luck is has not seen him play multiple times

Everyone needs to cool their jets on the “once-in-a-lifetime” type talk. The kid still has a season left (maybe two!) and a lot can happen. He is certainly a very, very good prospect and should continue to develop, but I think I’ve seen more NFL ready guys come out of college before, most recently Matt Ryan.

I’m not a fan of Pac-12 defenses and wish I could see Luck against better competition like a nasty Big 10, Big 12, or SEC defense, but Stanford’s out of conference schedule is a joke besides Notre Dame (and they’re a joke!). The kid has NEVER faced a top flight defense and the closest he has come is Cal (who is interesting b/c they run a 3-4).

Basically I need to see a lot more before I ordain him the next Peyton Manning.

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by Parks Smith on Aug 19, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Luck beat the hell out of Virginia Tech

and they had a pretty decent defense. I watched Matt Ryan closely, and I thought he’d do well in the NFL, but in my opinion he’s overachieved. Luck must be considered a better prospect at the same point in their careers, comparatively. Landry Jones is on par with Ryan and above Flacco or Sanchez.

by tuckwell on Aug 20, 2011 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any word on the Skins attending the Supplemental Draft to try a late pick on Pryor?

Just thought I’d stir the pot again… ;-)

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by ThuGodfather on Aug 18, 2011 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Pretty sure you don't "attend" the supplemental draft.

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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Use whatever terminology you prefer to describe their participation

I’m using “attend” so suck it!

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by ThuGodfather on Aug 18, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where are they attending? Are you going?

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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard its riveting

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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Attend

1: to pay attention to
2: to look after : take charge of
3 a: to go or stay with as a companion, nurse, or servant b: to visit professionally especially as a physician
4 archaic a: to wait for b: to be in store for
5: to be present with : accompany
6: to be present at : go to

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by ThuGodfather on Aug 18, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure that's how you meant it GrammarMan

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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

You would know since you have mind reading powers.

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by ThuGodfather on Aug 19, 2011 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

What if Beck goes out and blows our minds?

Throwing 40 yard passes to Armstrong, wisely dumping off in the flat to Hightower, over the middle to Davis?

I expect he’ll play very well.

"That's what she said!"

by iH8dallas on Aug 18, 2011 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

He's gonna blow something, but it won't be our minds.

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by ThuGodfather on Aug 18, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was drinking Kool-Aid way before the Pitts. game.

then everybody else wanted a sip.

I’ll call my shot with this one too.

"That's what she said!"

by iH8dallas on Aug 18, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just like I told

Funny Danny on the night show the other day (106.7), I don’t understand why everyone is making such a big deal of this. I’m mean, I realize we all want to know who the starter is, but some people are actually getting upset about Reid’s article? Why? We’re talking about Rex Grossman and John Beck. They both stink. It’s like choosing between a Yugo and a Pinto.

Personally, I do believe the Shanny’s want Beck to start. For one thing, you don’t leave your starting QB unsigned the first week of camp. Also, if Rex was the choice, why bother splitting time with Beck? With a team as bad as this was last year on offense, your starting QB needs as much time with the 1’s as possible. The Shanny’s know this, which in reality, tells me they still have no idea who is starting week one.

by CJHutch on Aug 18, 2011 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Are you kidding me?!

We should definitely go with the Pinto. The Yugo sucks waaaay more.

by Reedskin on Aug 18, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure

Until the Pinto is rear ended at a stoplight, then….KABOOM!!!!
Actually, that makes it the perfect metaphor for Grossman.

by CJHutch on Aug 18, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

The difference is...

You make love in a Pinto…you f@#k in a Yugo.

Let’s make love y’all!

by Ken Meringolo on Aug 18, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

car sex is only good when

You’re in high school. And I dunno about you, but I wasn’t the least bit interested in “making love” in high school.

by CJHutch on Aug 18, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rex

is the one who held out not the skins. When will people grasp this?

by CommunistKevin on Aug 18, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

They offered him multiple years for a little more money and he would not take it. Well according to sources that is. He wants to have good year and then get huge raise in next deal.

by CommunistKevin on Aug 19, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

and then get huge raise in next deal.

Who the hell does Grossman think he is?

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by Tiller56 on Aug 19, 2011 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

A guy who feels he could have a big year,

it is a clever move from him, if he plays the same way – he is just going to earn the same money he does now. If he plays great, he could get a huge raise instead of continuing on a small contract.

by Toosy_13 on Aug 19, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the point of this entire Mike Shanahan exercise w/ Beck is..

.. that he doesn’t care what you or anyone else thinks. He doesn’t care that people think Rex should be the starter, even if he does better in preseason. He just doesn’t care. Mike sees something in Beck that not many around the league do, I think that much is clear.

Rex Grossman is a known commodity in this league. They already know what they have in this guy. John Beck, however, is an uncertainty. That uncertainty is enticing to this coaching staff. They want to see how he will react when the lights are on and the bullets are flying.

The next seven days will reveal the Week 1 starter in all likelihood, so this debate will finally be over sooner rather than later.

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by DShif on Aug 18, 2011 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I can buy that

But thinking Beck has that special something, and proclaiming that the starting QB job is his to lose, just don’t seem to go together.

Personally, I think it’s as simple as: We have no depth at the QB position. We have two backup caliber players vying for the starting job. It behooves the Shanny’s to talk up Beck and motivate him, so he busts his ass to compete with Grossman. If Grossman was just proclaimed the starter, Beck would be less motivated to try to supplant him. Competition.

But I’m just reading tea leaves like Ken, so what the hell do I know?

by willster on Aug 18, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok...so I just picked up a 6-pack for tomorrow night

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 18, 2011 6:09 PM EDT reply actions  

over/under finishing beer #2 before first turnover occurs?

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 18, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

You’ll have a Beck of a time, I’m sure.

by TheDeepBall on Aug 18, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joke was already made last night Kev...

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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you serious? We're the United F'ing States of America! We have everything!

Does Budweiser qualify as imported beer now?

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by Parks Smith on Aug 19, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well they have they're own brewery in every country so no,

but either way, Becks is a rather common beer across Europe (which is probably why I didn’t find the joke funny)!

by Toosy_13 on Aug 19, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jason Reid better hope he's right

Zero credability if he’s wrong.
Tracy Hamilton would have more cred. ;)

by jmpalomo on Aug 18, 2011 6:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

This is the first time I have ever felt this way

but I really don’t care who starts, as long as we draft our future signal caller in 2012. I’m chalking this season up as a loosing one. Anything better will be beyond my expectations.

I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!

by Tiller56 on Aug 18, 2011 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Same here.

I can’t wait to get these bums off our team.

by VA_Skin on Aug 18, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I'm keeping my calender clear in January

to possibly drive down to Tampa for a wildcard game :) We aren’t going to be bad this year. We may not be good, but we won’t be bad.

by tuckwell on Aug 19, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reid (and Banks) must be getting that stuff directly from the team, one of the Shanahans

Otherwise they could never be so certain. But it makes no sense for them to be hyping Beck like that. It increases the risks for Shanahan and the pressure on Beck. It could also make it a little harder on Shanahan to dump Beck – Shanny’s ego would be keeping him from thinking straight. So it’s a mystery. One fact is that the team played hardball with Rex, treating him as a backup QB. So it’s all a mystery. One obvious explanation is that it really is a competition.

by Donnio1234 on Aug 18, 2011 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe Shanny thinks he can do with Beck, what the eagles did with Kolb

Talk him up, hope he has a couple of good games and make a killing on the trading block.

Another one of my loony theories.

by PAinfUL on Aug 18, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He he might want to go on another mission

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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

We'll all be two years older in a couple of years

Well, some of us, anyway.
    (Just a little graveyard humor)

by Donnio1234 on Aug 18, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grossman will be the starter..

By calling it a QB competition instead of naming Rex the starter the Redskins were able to sign him to backup QB money instead of starter money. Rex has been in this system for 3 YRs and I don’t want a QB that drinks Milk instead of beer.

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by Diesel44 on Aug 18, 2011 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Great points, and what kind of mental game would it be if Shanny just gave Rex the keys to car...

It at least needs to look like a competition for motivational sake. I mean hell what makes John Beck any better than Clemens?

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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, I'm on my 4th beer.

I’m only in the zone from beer 4-12.

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by Diesel44 on Aug 18, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

I was wondering same thing? What is the difference between beck and Clemens? I think it is possible that beck ends up third string.

by CommunistKevin on Aug 18, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with the 'it doesn't matter who starts' crowd

We’re drafting a QB next year. It’s why the o line was built up this year.

by 28DGreen on Aug 18, 2011 9:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

The o line was not really built up though

they really did not do much except reshuffle and couple signings

by CommunistKevin on Aug 18, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the line got a lot better.

Let’s look at it by position:

LT: Trent Williams improved by a lot if the Steelers game is anything to go by. Position is upgraded
LG: Licht is still a little iffy but apparently he did ok in the steelers game. This position is the same.
C: Montgomery is a HUGE upgrade over Rabach at this position, it got a major upgrade.
RG: Chester is at least as good as Monty if not better at this position. If it didn’t get upgraded at least it stayed the same.
RT: Jamaal Brown is healthy again and he was abusing Steelers linebackers in week 1 of preseason. Since Jam obviously is returning to pre0injury form, this position got better as well.

3 or 4 out of 5 spots upgraded. Sounds pretty built up if you ask me.

by TheDeepBall on Aug 18, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and don't forget.

Willie Smith and Maurice Hurt had great showings out there against the Steelers, hopefully they’ll develop into starters in a year or two (maybe Willie will replace Brown when he gets to old, and Hurt will replace Licht or Chester if they suck/get old, respectively.)

by TheDeepBall on Aug 18, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Center position

We got destroyed at the C position last year with Rabach. We’ve significantly upgraded our weakest link. at least now we can create a pocket for the QB. That’s a huge improvement.

by Kurtstack on Aug 19, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well the Yardbarker said that the 'Skins were going to attend Terrelle Pryor's Pro day

that was supposed to be last Friday.

I wonder if they are going to go to his newly rescheduled Pro day on Saturday?

by bassguy4 on Aug 18, 2011 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

That's just scratching the surface

Who wouldn’t want a guy who is nothing more than another over-hyped quarterback who has always been a head case. If the Redskins use anything higher than a 6th rounder on him, it would be Snyderatto all over again.

by killianskid34 on Aug 18, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The guy wouldn't get on the field for the first 5 games regardless,

so why would that count against him? I feel he could be a top WR with some good coaching, and maybe this Ohio State thing has set him (somewhat) straight.

by Toosy_13 on Aug 19, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

No way
and maybe this Ohio State thing has set him (somewhat) straight.

The kids attitude will hold him back wherever he goes.

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by Tiller56 on Aug 19, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea it set him straight...

“Terrell you f’d up! But you get to play in the Sugar Bowl!”

“Terrell you f’d up! But you get to play in the NFL!”

What discipline he’s received. Seems like his suspension will be appealed and at the very least reduced. I would expect it totally gets thrown out all together.

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by Parks Smith on Aug 19, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think the suspension will get reduced

Big Drew already said they don’t plan to appeal, and that they accept the suspension. It was also a joint effort between the NFLPA, and Big Roger, so it seems it will stand.

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by Tiller56 on Aug 19, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Big Drew already said they don’t plan to appeal, and that they accept the suspension.

“(Commissioner Roger Goodell) indicated that we have the right to appeal within three days after Terrelle signs an NFL contract, and given some of the developments — both in reaching the decision and comments out of the (NFL Players Association) regarding the decision — I think it’s likely that we will file an appeal, and give the Players Association an opportunity to make its objections to this on the record,”

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by Parks Smith on Aug 19, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

You never know, with a good group of

veteran leaders around him as well, he could change. He does need to sort out his attitude but I am in no position to know what kind of person he is.

by Toosy_13 on Aug 19, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beck is our only hope

at getting Luck in next year’s draft…

so don’t screw it up with Rex starting! What’s two more wins going to do? get us to 5-11? We need to be at best 2-14 to compete for that 1 overall draft spot. That’s all the competing we need to do!

by worldwidewes on Aug 19, 2011 7:46 AM EDT reply actions  

The facts speak louder

The facts seem to indicate that this is a wide open battle for the starting QB job, as it should be. Neither one of these guys has proven anything in this league. Therefore, I don’t understand how anybody could see this as anything but a wide open competition where the best man will take the starting job, but even then with a short leash.

Grossman started game one and played well. Beck is starting game 2 and we will see what he has to offer. If it was Grossman’s job already, clearly he would have been named the starter to get in the valuable work with the first team. I do believe rex will get the starting job week 1. But, if it was his job to lose he would certainly start all the pre-season games to get his timing down with the first team.

The facts indicate that the Shanny’s are just as confused as we are when it comes to who will be our starting QB game 1 of the regular season.

by Kurtstack on Aug 19, 2011 8:17 AM EDT reply actions  

While Rex is not considered an elite quarterback in the league...

It would be unfair to suggest he has not accomplished anything. It would certainly be unfair to suggest that he is in the same class of “accomplishing nothing” as John Beck.

by Ken Meringolo on Aug 19, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since he was brought up in this thread

Here is a little story for you guys on Pryor:

As most of you know, he grew up in PSU’s backyard, or close to it(Jeanette, PA). He was recruited by the Lions since he was in the 8th grade. Tom Bradley, or assistant head coach, and one of the best, and most respected coordinators in College Football, was he recruiter. Bradley became like a father figure to Pryor, as his father was not a huge part of his life growing up. Bradley was someone that Pryor looked up to, and respected. Bradley attended many of Pryor’s games(including basketball) all through high school. They talked on a regular basis starting during his sophomore year. He was at PSU more times throughout high school than any athlete thats Penn State had recruited over the last decade.

Pryor was rated the #1 player in the country on most recruting websites. He had a mentor who accompanied him on recruiting trips throughout his senior year. This man clearly did not have Pryor’s “best Interests” as a student athlete in mind. He gave the Pryor family money, and it is becoming pretty evident that he was involved in some pretty shady stuff with some schools during the Pryor recruitment. When it came down to signing day, Pryor ended up delaying his recruitment, saying he was just not ready yet. It was widely known that Ohio St, PSU and Oregon were in the running for his services, but most felt it was a Ohio St/PSU battle.

Eventually he chose Ohio St., and for very obvious reasons. Their program was a national contender, their recruiting class was top 10 in the country(led by the Brew Crew – aka, Mike Brewster and his linemen), and they gave him more money, gifts, benefits………………..fill in the blanks. These were things that PSU would never do, and has never done. When it came down to it, all this kid was ever interested in was getting paid, and being treated like a Diva; something that was not going to happen in State College.

Funny, but his father magically re-appeared back in Pryor’s life after he accepted his schollie to Ohio St. Funny how his mom, who was working 3 jobs to try and provide for her family, all of a sudden was able to pick up and move to Columbus, buy new cars for her son, and provide him with cash for trips.

This kid has been a dirt-ball from day one. He lied to many people along the way, including coaches who trusted his word. He is the primary eason why Tressel was fired. He is the primary reason why Ohio St is in the mess they are in. Anyone who wants this type of person on their NFL team, needs to read, and re-read this.

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by Tiller56 on Aug 19, 2011 9:54 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree with everything you just said, except this:

“These were things that PSU would never do, and has never done.”

Wake up, Tiller. EVERY SINGLE “BIG” SCHOOL CHEATS. All of them. My school does it, your school does it, everyone does it. Kids get money they shouldn’t, benefits they aren’t supposed to, attention they don’t deserve. Recruiting is so dirty these days that it would take years just to write a tell-all book, and it’d make Tolstoy look like a Twitter account. PSU does pay; it’s just OSU pays more.

by tuckwell on Aug 20, 2011 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Becksy vs Rexy

I’m trying to put myself in shanahans shoes and think whom I would start. At first glance it’s Grossman all the way. Grossman, for all the reasons listed in the artcle is a safe pick to qb this team until a star rookie gets picked up. But grossman will never be anything more than an average qb. Okay, maybe grossman could become slightly above average in a perfect storm of offensive harmony and effort.

Beck gives you that .0002% chance at greatness. IT’s not much, but isn’t it better than nothing? 100% shot at mediocrity or a .0002% chance at greatness? Sure beck also gives you a chance to suck even more ass than ever before. But if I’m in shanahans shoes, i’m throwing Becks ass into the fire and seeing if he can dance. Not just one preseason game either, he’s going to start his ass off against the Giants. If he blows it, well i’ll go right back to grossman and being mediocre, minus a win or two. Boo hoo.

Remembering that shanahan has seen something in beck, and that beck was once a 40th overall pick. IT’s time to see if this pony has legs, because in football, you don’t know until the gates swing open.

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by Al_CaPWNED on Aug 19, 2011 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

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