5 Questions with Colt's Blog, Stampede Blue
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 18, 2011 10:15 AM EDT
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PrintSince we're one day away from the Colts/Redskins game (HAIL YEAH!), I emailed Brad Wells, the site editor for SB Nation's Colts' website, Stampede Blue.
1.) With Manning on the PUP list, what QBs will we likely see (1st team, 2nd team, etc). Nate Davis, Dan Orlovsky, and Mike Hartline...should we expect an ugly game?
My goodness! How could you forget Curtis Painter! He's our secret weapon. You see, what the Colts do is they usually have Painter work with the first team while Peyton is out. This way, when he throws all the INTs that he normally throws, it gives our offensive players an excuse to hit your defensive players while they are attempting to return the INTs for TDs. Ingenious plan, yes?
In all seriousness, Painter will work with the first unit, Orlovsky the second, and Hartline the third. The Colts cut Davis a few days ago.
(Note: I had mixed that up. It was Nate Davis that was cut, but about 1 millions Colts fan tweeted to Jim Irsay to dump Painter).
2.) Colts drafted 2 O-Linemen with their first two picks to booster an aging and banged up OLine. How are Anthony Castonzo and Benjamin Ijalana developing? What's the outlook on the OLine for 2011?
They both look good, though I think in 2011 (barring injury) Castonzo will start and Ijalana will play as the back-up RT.
3.) With the 4th round pick, the Colts took 'Cuse RB Delone Carter. Will he see a lot of action and what's the running game looking like this year? Still Addai?
Addai is still the starter. Carter should see a ton of work on goal-line and short yardage situations.
4.) What matchups are you looking forward to against the Skins? Any names we should look out for?
Staying with the o-line theme, I'm interested to see how the Colts line matches up against the Skins front. I personally think the Skins will have a good pass rush in 2011, and I'd like to see how someone like Castonzo blocks a guy like Orakpo or Kerrigan.
5.) In Vegas two weekends ago I put $300 on the Colts under at 10.5 games. With Peyton's papier-mâché neck and 29th ranked rushing offense, that's a decent bet, right?
Yeah. I think this is a 14 win team if it stay healthy. Reality though is it won't stay healthy, and as a result I say 11 games.
I was about twelve 7 and 7's down when I made this bet. I still feel good about it except for the fact the Colts have a pretty favorable schedule (Panthers, Titans x2, Jags x2, CLE, CIN).
I emailed back to Brad:
It's so great Painter's QB rating in 2009 was 9.8, didn't play last year, and then had a horrible 1st pre-season game. How is he #2 on the depth chart??? Irsay should make Peyton Manning the first QB in NFL history to wear the Chris Samuels-style neck pad.
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The Colts passing game
is so dangerous with all those WR’s, but with Manning out, I think we will have our way with their O-Line, and force a lot of misguided passes. I don’t see them having much success running the football, even with Fletch out at MLB.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
Agreed
With no Peyton this team is completely different. I have our line over theirs.
by The Red End on Aug 18, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
If Peyton Manning was injured the first game of the season,
The Colts might be in the running for the Andrew Luck sweepstakes. Honestly, they are probably nothing without Manning.
I don't see that
they wouldn’t be a playoff team, but they rebuilt the line through the draft, have a solid ground game and a ton of weapons. They would run the ball more and stuff like that, but they wouldn’t be god awful. That defense could also be improved this year as well. They picked up some interesting guys on the cheap.
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by Steve Shoup on Aug 18, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know man, I think they would be pretty bad.
I could easily see them going 4-12 w/o Peyton. Curtis Painter is…well Curtis Painter. They have a lot of old vets and have to play AFC North, NFC South, not mention the Pats.
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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but they have 4 games against the Jags and Titans and the Panthers and Bengals like Kevin said
I would put them at a low of 6 wins without Peyton and a high of 9…If Mark Sanchez can get 9 it is possible.
I know there are some differences, but it is a similar situation to when Brady went down (NE had better defensive talent), but that team went 11-5. That is probably too rich here, but the Colts aren’t a one man team.
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by Steve Shoup on Aug 18, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Jags always seem to have the Colts numbers and I think the Titans are better than what people expect
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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
the Jags always play Indy close, but Indy usually wins.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
And the Titans suck.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: The last week before school starts back up always sucks. Every hour brings you closer to both moving and starting school again. Sigh.
Indy usually has Peyton Manning...
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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
*always
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: The last week before school starts back up always sucks. Every hour brings you closer to both moving and starting school again. Sigh.
The Jags will still have Jack del Rio.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
don't forget Silky
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 18, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
We'd get Justin Blackmon.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
by Colts Homer on Aug 18, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
You'd get a WR instead of an heir apparent for a 36 year old QB?
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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
He just signed a 5 year contract.
Unless it was a career-ending injury, no. I also don’t think the Colts would be bad enough to get the #1 pick, probably just top 5.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
by Colts Homer on Aug 18, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Just b/c he signed a 5 year contract doesn't mean he's going to play for 5 years.
This is a hypothetical situation about the #1 pick. You wouldn’t see a need to draft Luck and let him learn a year or two, or do you seriously expect Peyton to play until he’s 40?
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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
He’s never missed a game and he’s never had a serious injury. He can play for as long as Favre did no question.
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by Colts Homer on Aug 18, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did you miss that the Packers had a little bit of a back up plan when Favre turned...
you guessed it… 36
Keep with your plan and the Colts slip into total mediocrity in two to three years.
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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay.
I’d rather get someone to contend for the next 3 years than plan for the future. Colts are going to suck without Manning anyway. Might as well make a Super Bowl push.
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by Colts Homer on Aug 18, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You can have both...
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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a hypothetical situation that almost certainly won't happen, but I'd rather have the superstar wide receiver.
There will be other QBs. Tyler Bray, Aaron Murray, Tyler Wilson, etc.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
by Colts Homer on Aug 18, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm liking Tyler Bray.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 18, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Gunner Kiel in 4 years is my preference.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
by Colts Homer on Aug 18, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you should focus on positions of need
continuing to rebuild the o-line, defensive line, or a stud LB or Cb. I think at this point Peyton has proven it doesn’t matter who he is throwing the ball too.
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by Steve Shoup on Aug 18, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't help.
He struggled big time without Collie and Gonzalez for a 4 game stretch last year. A big time wide receiver would be beautiful.
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by Colts Homer on Aug 18, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
he can make due with poor targets or a poor line, but not both.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
he struggled big time b/c that O-line was terrible and every RB was injured as well
The defense was a sieve with Session out and no DT’s to speak of.
Look Collie and Tamme were 4th rounders, Garcon a 6th, Blair White a UDFA
All have produced when put in the lineup, whether as rookies or a couple years down the line.
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by Steve Shoup on Aug 18, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Session played like crap before he got hurt, he always starts slow
Moala really came on at DT, but he’s more of a disruptor than a run stuffer.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
which is why they should continue to look to upgrade their defense
Nevis was a nice pick, but they could do better. Imagine if they put a stud DT next to Freeny and Mathis
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by Steve Shoup on Aug 18, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Nevis is looking like a stud DT so far.
Could be the perfect fit for the Colts defense.
/Only TC and preseason, means nothing.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh i think he'll be fine and is far better than anything the Colts have had in years
but they need more.
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by Steve Shoup on Aug 18, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really.
Moala looked good last season too.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
If Castonzo and Ijalana are as good as we hope they are,
we have our future LT and I don’t see OL early.
I could see DE as Mathis is FA next year and Freeney is in 2012.
A non-MLB LB is not worth an early pick.
Could see CB or safety.
WR is the obvious choice as pretty much all of them except Collie are free agents.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
and with Brackett and Angerer in the fold they aren't in the market for a MLB
WR and DB are the obvious choices for next year’s draft.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Brackett makes some serious money
and if he continues to have injury problems or doesn’t get back on track he could be a cap casualty come next March. There are a number of very talented LB’s out there in the draft
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by Steve Shoup on Aug 18, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Angerer was drafted to take over for Brackett
he’s just playing OLB in the meantime. He actually got that starting OLB spot playing well at MLB against the Redskins last year.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Continues?
He doesn’t have continuous injury problems.
Angerer is widely seen as Brackett’s heir and non-MLB’s are not worth a high pick.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about that there are a few who can kick to the strong side this coming year
and that is a key position for the Colts defense.
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by Steve Shoup on Aug 18, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
They will not be worth a high pick.
OLBs aren’t in the Colts’ defense.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
yep, been a decade since they drafted a OLB above the late 3rd
or paid a OLB more than ~1mil/yr, back before they installed the Tampa-2
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
dude Brackett hasn't played 16 games since 2007
that to me is an issue for a guy who will be making $6 million a year, and is just good.
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by Steve Shoup on Aug 18, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
he also hasn't played less than 12 in his career
by Colts standards that’s quite healthy.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
not when you are getting paid among the leagues best
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by Steve Shoup on Aug 18, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Franchise tag was 10mil for this year
6mil/yr is a midrange deal.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Posluzney got a $7 million average
Brackett got a $6.6 I’d say that is pretty similar.
The Franchise tags were off this year, b/c of a lot of teams front loading contracts last year in the upcapped year (including Brackett’s, as he got something like $12 million last year).
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Posluzney is not as good as Brackett and has at least as many injury problems.
I’d say Brackett’s contract is good compared to that.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
are you serious?
Posluzney is what 4 years younger? I’d easily bet on that, and the fact that he has been by himself in Buffalo, while Brackett has some other defenders who warrant blocking.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
4 years younger and more missed games.
How is that better than Brackett?
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
not over the last 3 years
the issue is recent injuries, and the fact that Brackett has dealt with more of late. As well as being older, which makes it harder for players to heal.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
So you define what is recent?
They’ve missed the same number of games the last two seasons. Two seasons is more recent than three. That seems about equal to me.
Brackett’s value to teh Colts was shown in the 2008 playoff loss.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
yes but when one is 4 and a half years younger
it is usually a big advantage in his favor.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
4 years younger and just as many missed games.
I don’t see how it is in his favor.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
b/c we are talking about one serious injury for Posluzney that skews the average
what if Posluzney broke his arm at the end of the season like Brackett broke his leg? Or what if Brackett broke his leg at the beginning of the season? then he’d be out a lot longer than Posluzney.
Posluzney being younger, means things are going to heal quicker.
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Posluzsny isn't very good though.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
according to whom or what?
he had a bit of a down year last year, but that is partially due to the fact that he played both SLB and WLB when the Bills played the 4-3 and both ILB positions in their 3-4. Overall he is a very good LB, and fits best as an ILB or MLB, and far better than Brackett.
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He's missed just as many games as Brackett the last two years.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
so you don't think age has any factor??
Posluzney also suffered another (less serious) broken arm two years ago. Brackett has had various injuries. It isn’t even close to an equal comparision.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
The number of missed games say that age isn't a factor.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously??
WOW, logic fail. Posluzney’s missed games have come primarily from 2 injuries (broken arms), Brackett had 3 various injuries last year ALONE. And you think age has no impact…
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The numbers say it doesn't.
And Posluzny missed games last season due to a knee injury.
I don’t say age has no impact, I say Posluzny being younger hasn’t made him miss fewer games.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
but it will in the future
yes some injuries happen that is the game. With Brackett though they keep happening and aren’t likely to stop now that he is in his 30’s. Posluzney’s injuries aren’t the same, and there is less evidence to point to that he will continuously miss time.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
The current evidence say that Brackett and Posluzny miss equal numbers of games.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
transition tag (ave of top 10) was 8.6mil last year
his deal is at the bottom of the top 10 at the highest. They do have a replacement in-line, so it’s possible, but not very likely.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
read my reply above
the reason why those deals are so high is b/c of the uncapped year and teams like the Colts frontloading deals. Brackett got like $12 million last year.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
and has you said, he gets 2mil this year
the deal is 5 years, 33mil. 6/mil a year is the average.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
a $6 million average
would be $30 million, not $33 million.
They gave him a huge first year bonus, to make him affordable this year. at $2 million, my issued is next year when he jumps to $5 million,.
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ok, 6.6mil, not a big difference
unless he misses major time or his play significantly drops off he’s worth 5mil against the cap.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
where would your rank Brackett among the league's MLB and ILB's?
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it's a tough question
he wouldn’t be nearly as valuable in most (maybe all) other schemes. For the scheme Indy runs, I think he’s one of the best options out there.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The only one I'd take over Brackett is Beason.
Perfect fit. Polian wanted him too.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
that's it?
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
don't get me wrong I think he fits that scheme well
but I think quite a few MLB’s and ILB’s could do it as well. I understand rewarding your guys (and the Colts did that with a huge up front bonus), but can you really justify paying that kinda money to a 32 year old with injury issues.
Now the Redskins have London Fletcher who is older, but the dude doesn’t miss a game (or really a tackle)
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it's (almost) all about the coverage
for a Tampa-2 MLB. They are practically box safeties.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
there are a lot of good coverage MLB's out there
i personally think you’d be surprised by how many could fit the system, as well or better.
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And they would want big contracts in tha FA market.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm not talking about FA's
I’m just saying that Brackett is paid as a top 10 LB, but he really isn’t that. Yes that can be the nature of FA, but if he’s injured I think they look elsewhere.
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Why would they look elsewhere?
They have his replacement.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
possibly (though they could draft an MLB and keep Angerer outside)
the point is Brackett is likely on the way out significantly hurting the LB corps.
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The only thinking Brackett is on the way out is you.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
watch and see what happens next season
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Same to you.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
12 games, 14, and then 12 the last 3 years.
That’s not bad at all, especially considering that he broke his leg in a freak play in 2008.
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That is 21% of the games over those years
that is pretty significant. It doesn’t matter what the injuries are, he is 31 and making a combined $18.2 million between 2012-2014. He makes $2 million this year so he is fine, but that is a huge jump in contract. It was back-loaded for a reason and he isn’t likely to play next year without significantly restructuring his deal.
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by Steve Shoup on Aug 18, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The Colts don't really have cap problems.
So he is likely to stay.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
they ate Hayden's deal this year for little savings
so they’ll have plenty of space next year.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
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by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Colts aren't in the greatest cap shape that is for sure
and if Brackett continues to get injured, then yes I see them having a hard time justifying keeping him for $5 million next year.
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They are in pretty good shape.
They even have space this year so they could move some of next year’s cap to this year.
Don’t trust teh “cap hell is coming” people.
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"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
if the Colts didn't end up in Cap hell after the cap dropped this year
they won’t have serious issues anytime soon.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
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by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
but part of that reason is b/c they backloaded contracts
or front loaded them last year to make players cheaper this season. I don’t know what Manning’s cap hit will be with that huge option bonus, but at some point it will catch up to them. The other issue is they do have a number of FA’s next year that need to be resigned or replaced, so can they afford to pay Brackett when he is making quite a bit and likely on the downside of his career.
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You sound like people did in 2006.
Cap hell is coming!
The Colts have pretty big cap room and they have room this year to move some of next year’s cap, which helps them sign the future FAs.
Just because they carry some big contracts, it doesn’t mean they are in trouble since they spend it wisely, i.e. don’t sign big name FAs.
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"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
the structure of Peyton's deal has come out
2011: $3.4 million base, $16 million against the salary cap.
2012: $7.4 million base, $17 million against the cap.
2013: $8.4 million base, $18 million against the cap.
2014: $9.4 million base, $19 million against the cap.
2015: $10.4 million base, $20 million against the cap.
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011110812013
The Cap hit is never more than 20mil, which is after the new TV deal, which the players get 55% of.
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by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
And that cap hit is not higher than it's been the last 3 years.
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"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
I wasn’t sure if there was a bigger cap jump after this season.
A lot will depend on what happens with Wayne, but the Colts could still be in some cap trouble going forward. Brackett’s isn’t the only contract that goes up next season, and that could eat up, what the cap is raised to.
I def. think Brackett is playing for his job this season, as that is the nature of the business. If he goes four straight years of missing games I don’t know how they can give him a 150% raise.
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So you don't know the numbers?
Sorry, your argument is invalid.
You just think the Colts are in cap trouble, because they have to be. Give me the numbers to prove it.
The Colts have +7 mill. cap space this year to help them next year.
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"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
you know the colts had to cut people to get that cap space right?
And they also had to get Manning to agree to a contract extension, b/c he was scheduled to make something like $23 million due to the franchise tag rules. $23-16 is essentially your $7 million in savings. And it only saves them money next year if they wisely use it to restructure contracts.
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Show me the numbers that say the Colts will be in trouble next year.
It actually cost the Colts money this year to cut the people they cut.
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"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
my argument is invalid why?
just b/c I didn’t know all the details of Manning’s contract?? Guess what there are quite a few other contracts that matter as well.
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choose one
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by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
why is it invalid??
Colts have numerous big name FA’s next year and not a ton of extra cap space. Tough decisions will need to be made.
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argue that with gf
I was just posting that to provide people with lulz.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
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by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Numerous?
Two.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
And they have cap space.
Just because you say they don’t, doesn’t make it true.
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"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Just b/c you say they do doesn't make it true
Prove it either way… Its not like Steve has a hidden agenda to bring down the Colt he’s just talking football. Stop being a sensitive clan of bitch whiners. You yell at him for proof so prove it yourself.
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Well, he's the one arguing that they have to cut Brackett because of cap space.
Brackett and Freeney’s contracts are the only ones that go up next year.
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"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm arguing that his price doesn't make sense to his relative value
and given the age and injuries, cutting him as opposed to letting a guy like Garcon walk doesn’t make sense.
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by Steve Shoup on Aug 18, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mathis, Saturday, Deim, Wayne, Garcon
Not to mention Gonzalez, Tamme, their FA signings this year (Harris, Sims, Anderson), Tryon, Wheeler, Foster and Pollack. With Lacey a restricted FA.
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Gonzalez, Pollak, and maybe Wheeler won't be worth re-signing along with Harris, Sims, and Anderson who may not even make the roster.
Diem will be gone! HOORAY!!!! Wayne may not be worth re-signing either.
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maybe, maybe not
If i were you I’d count on guys like Sims and Anderson producing b/c that is the best chance of really improving on defense.
As for the other guys, some get replaced, but others won’t be as easy to do so. Wayne might not be resigned, but they will have to spend money for the position.
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They will likely draft a WR early.
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"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I.e. two big name FAs.
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"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
It’s invalid because the Colts aren’t in cap trouble.
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"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't have acess to all your cap info
but based on the breakdown of Manning ($17 million against the cap next year) and the known contracts of Clark, Freeney, Brackett and Bethea the Colts have at least $45.5 million tied up in those 5 players. I say at least b/c I’m guessing the cap hits are higher for the other 4 players not named Manning. So you could be at $50+ million.
I don’t know what Addai, Bulliet and Vinitari are scheduled to make, but combined it is probably another $10 million (or more, Addai’s average is $4.7 mil). That is a significant amount that is already tied up for the Colts, before we even get to the lesser contracts.
Colts will have some money next year, but the point is can they resign all the guys they need to resign and still add a player or two.
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Oh, I had just written a post and accidentally hit cancel...
Clark’s contract doesn’t go up much (from 7.7 to 8.0)
Bethea’s cap hit decreses from 5.0 to 4.5.
Freeney’s contract is the only one that increse significantly from 16.1 to 19.5.
I haven’t seen any numbers on Bullitt and Vinny yet. Bullitt’s contract is likely bigger than his previous contract, but nothing suggests that it should be much bigger next year. Vinny’s contract was rumored to be smaller than hgis previous contract.
Addai’s is supposedly evenly spread – it might even be higher this year, considering they knew they had room this year when they signed him.
The Colts usually don’t sign any FAs so not doing so next year is no harm.
(rounded numbers, more numbers can be seen at http://www.coltzilla.com/salary-cap/. Contracts signed this year aren’t included)
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by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That is a pretty big chunk of change determined by Clark, Bracket, Bethea, Manning and Freeny
That is $54 million (roughly) for those 5 players, plus millions more for Addai, Bullitt and Adam V.
Unless just about everyone is signed for a minimum deal, the Colts are going to have to make some decisions.
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Wait, I miswrote Bethea's numbers.
0.45 next year. 0.5 this year.
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by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
We're used to putting big cap in a few players.
The thing is that pretty much everyone else actually is signed to close to vet. min. contracts. Wayne’s numbers this year is 6.19 mill, Mathis’ is 4.35. Noone says the Colts can’t sign backloaded contracts next year.
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"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If we assume that Vinny, Bullitt and Addai take up 10 mill next year
wgich I think is very high pu, the Colts have ~30 mill left in cap room next year.. So much for cap hell.
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"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
And that's without substacting Hayden's number.
Which is pretty high.
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"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I never counted Hayden and Addai and company probably cost more than $10 million
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They still have ~30 mill.
if we just take Hayden’s number (~4 mill.) to the Addai, Bullitt, Vinatieri group.
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"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not denying the 54 mill. number BTW.
Everyone else is just cheap.
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"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm no dude.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry, initial shock of you denying the
injury issues of Brackett
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by Steve Shoup on Aug 18, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
There are no serious issues.
Especially considering they’ve already drafted his replacement.
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"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
They could continue to play Angerer at OLB
I wouldn’t pass up Burfict and Kuechly if given the shot at the right pick.
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they'd have to really love Kuechly
and they wouldn’t touch a guy in trouble for assaulting a teammate.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
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by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
also Zach Brown from UNC is a tailor made OLB for the Colts Defense
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Mormons are concussion prone
FACT
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by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Te'o is going to murder Denard Robinson on the field and it will be beautiful.
He will cease to live because of a Te’o hit.
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Angerer would really have to mess up when given a chance at MLB to stay at OLB.
He’s only playing OLB because he’s too talented to keep on the bench.
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"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
What injury problems?
Oh, and Brackett earns that large contract, which might be a little foreign to you guys.
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he's missed a total of 10 games the last 3 years
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by Steve Shoup on Aug 18, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well a lot could depend on the O-line play
Ijalana could play inside, and they could look at adding a bookend. It should be a simple formula for the Colts, if Peyton is upright you win, if he is getting pressure and rushing his throws, you win, but your playoff chances aren’t too great.
They have Hughes, but they could still go DE, I think DT is in the mix, and I wouldn’t sleep on a LB. And CB I think is highly likely as well.
As for WR it would be a huge waste, whether they are picking 5th or 25th. You can find quality WR’s up and down the draft, esp. when Peyton is throwing to them.
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by Steve Shoup on Aug 18, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
the talked about Ijalana as a guard post-draft
but they’ve decided in camp to focus him on playing RT. So he’ll have to fail there before they’d move him inside.
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by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
And teh Colts won't take a RT in the first round.
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"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
it would make more sense than drafting a WR
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why?
Wayne, Gonzalez and Garçon will be FAs after this year.
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by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't need a superstar at WR
With Manning at the helm.
Just solid route runners with good hands – who run the offense.
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You don't need it, but it would be an amazing thing to have.
Tom Brady didn’t need someone like Randy Moss to win a Super Bowl, and we all knew that. However that offense was incredible when he got him. Picking up someone like Blackmon could let the Colts offense have a Patriots 2007 season.
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I know, but that offense was still record-setting.
That one game was a bummer for the Patriots but they still had an amazing season.
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record setting
“Shmeckord setting” – they lost the SB.
Sign a backup QB to learn the O under Manning a few years, and then unleash him when Manning is the QB coach.
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Manning will never be a QB coach.
He’ll be pissed when the QB doesn’t realize that the linebacker scratching his balls 4 minutes earlier means he’s going to blitz.
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by Colts Homer on Aug 18, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Good one, CH.
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by peytonsthebest on Aug 18, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Quit hitting on me.
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Never.
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by peytonsthebest on Aug 18, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm uncomfortable.
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Good.
I’m doing it right.
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by peytonsthebest on Aug 18, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a just a cross I have to bear being me.
Wonderful me.
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That's right.
wink wink
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 18, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Your sig is an excellent innuendo.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
I didn't know that you were the catcher in your relationships
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Go back to the open thread, Popeye.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
Are you saying Garcon should be pu in a port-o-let?
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
Well, there are ways, I suppose. Toys and stuff like that.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 18, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
And they made it to the Super Bowl which is what you want when you are making the team.
Teams are made for the 18 games to the Super Bowl. Super Bowls and the playoffs in general are mostly a crapshoot. It’s not like “Oh if they did this one thing different they could have won the Super Bowl” because it comes down to things like bad calls, dropped passes, broken coverage, and crazy incidents like the Tyree catch and Saints onside kick.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
It will be a waste to let a 1st round QB sit on the bench for 4 years when they are in win now mode.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
4 years? hahahaha
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If Manning is injured, we plunk the season.
We won’t win anything with a rookie anyway.
Might as well do what we can to win now.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
So why can't they sit 1 or 2 years?
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Because that doesn't help us win now.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Good route runners with good hands usually go early in the draft.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ehhh
More good hands than good route runners. There are players like Michael Floyd who will be a first rounder and Jonathan Baldwin last year and that’s really their only weakness.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
Well Michael Floyd's weakness is beer.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
just saying though the Packers picked Rodgers late in round 1
it wouldn’t make nearly as much sense for the Colts to take a guy in the top 5 or 10 like you are talking about, when they could take an impact guy at another position.
Hell the Packers love it now, but you know at the time that team was built to win in 2007, and had they taken someone like Roddy White, Heath Miller, Mike Patterson or Logan Mankins (all taken in the 1st round after Rodgers) they might have had their 4th Trophy that year (instead of the Giants). Now it looks great, and for the longterm as well. But it can be risky to draft an heir apparent, before you are ready to, i.e. Tommy Maddox.
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by Steve Shoup on Aug 18, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Valid point...
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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Indy is big on BPA
if an Aaron Rodgers type slipped to them in the next few years, I wouldn’t be surprised if they took him, but I don’t think they are stressing about adding a successor soon.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
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by Steve Shoup on Aug 18, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Your only other option is Curtis Painter how you not be at the bottom of the NFL
Granted, most teams don’t have the luxury of having two starting QBs on the roster like the redskins, but Curtis Painter isn’t even a solid #3.
*Your only other option is Curtis Painter; how would you not be at the bottom of the NFL?
Sorry, sloppy typing…
Because they would be.
A top 5 draft pick is at the bottom of the league.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
by Colts Homer on Aug 18, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Rex Grossman and Jon Beck aren't much better.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
by Colts Homer on Aug 18, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
If you had a choice for a back up who would you rather have Grossman/Beck or Painter?
Painter is absolutely terrible, I’m surprised y’all didn’t give Sorgi a call this offseason. I’d feel more comfortable with him then a guy with a 9.8 QB rating
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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope we all realized you were joking, haha
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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I worry about some of these Colts fans though
They don’t know what true QB greatness looks like…though they’ll find out come tomorrow
by mbedner on Aug 18, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No point in spending the extra money on a veteran.
None of those QBs would get the Colts to the playoffs so they might as well save a few hundred thousand.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
by Colts Homer on Aug 18, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
So if you're the Colts and Peytons hurt you just waive the white flag?
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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
yes but I'd re-sign it to the practice squad.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
by Colts Homer on Aug 18, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorgi is injured.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Or dead?
Or maybe he was never a real person overall.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
by Colts Homer on Aug 18, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
He has been the past 2 years now.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: The last week before school starts back up always sucks. Every hour brings you closer to both moving and starting school again. Sigh.
Both.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: The last week before school starts back up always sucks. Every hour brings you closer to both moving and starting school again. Sigh.
by Cassieper on Aug 18, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh God damn it, Cass.
Now I have to live knowing this stupid comment was made. You motherfucker.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
by Colts Homer on Aug 18, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
"The luxury of two starting QB on the roster like the redskins"
Sorry, but that is funny.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you, thank you
When you’ve been as terrible as we have been for the past 15, you have to make yourself laugh now and again. It’s the only thing that holds back the tears.
I'm glad it was really a joke.
lol
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 18, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Two starting QBs?
I thought Grossman was one of them…lol
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Aug 18, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Ben Chappelle is the other one.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
by Colts Homer on Aug 18, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that Dave's cousin? or did you mean Ben Chappell?
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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I gave him some E.
Which would be a good distraction from how terrible he was at IU.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
by Colts Homer on Aug 18, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank god those Colts gypsies didn't come on the site again...yet...
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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
sup bro
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
by Colts Homer on Aug 18, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
I must rule with eye and claw — as the hawk among lesser birds.
-Duke Leto Atreides
by peytonsurdaddy on Aug 18, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah thank god
Friggin idiots.
by Matty_Sweatshirt_KTA on Aug 19, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah the wandering band of shit talkers that were banned from their own team site...
by skinsfan28 on Aug 18, 2011 10:59 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I was hesitant to even bring them up...
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by Parks Smith on Aug 18, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
For realz dude
I hated those bitchezz
by Matty_Sweatshirt_KTA on Aug 19, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn, the Nate Davis Show got cut again! I thought we were in for a treat.
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I'm actually looking forward to seeing Trent Williams line up against Freeney...
I want to see how he handles him in his second year. If Beck has the protection Grossman had last week, I’ll be sweating kool aid until the baltimore game
Freeney didn't play last week despite being healthy
I doubt he plays much more than a series.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd appreciate the look of one series...
Freeney would probably play extra hard for a dozen plays knowing he was going to come out. I’m just curious about TW’s development. He sounds more confident, just want to see if the play matches the talk
I don't think he would play extra hard.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.
"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.
by gizzardfanny on Aug 18, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Since the Eagles have been crowned by the media and the Cowboys are the Cowboys
I guess the Redskins are my 2nd favorite team in that division this year (gotta root for the lesser Manning).
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
Cheer for the Eagles.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
by Colts Homer on Aug 18, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
you are thinking of Donovan McNabb
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by Steve Shoup on Aug 18, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Eli knows he's not on Big Bro's level.
Honestly, I get a little annoyed when people talk about Brady over Manning. Brady’s great and all, but If you put Peyton on the Pats the last 10 years, it’d be ridiculous how much they’d dominate.
by Reedskin on Aug 19, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What a fucking suck-up this guy is.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
by Colts Homer on Aug 18, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a lot nicer when I haven't been up for 20 hours straight.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
From the sucking up and the fact that you think 20 hours is a long time to be up,
I’m starting to think you are a pussy.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
by Colts Homer on Aug 18, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
and what does that say about you, since we are the same person
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I would never join the Navy.
Or whine about being up for 20 hours.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
by Colts Homer on Aug 18, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
*could
liked you’d ever pass a drug test
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair
by shake n bake on Aug 18, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank God my job didn't have a drug test.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
by Colts Homer on Aug 18, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget, Colts fans don't understand down times
Their fan base didn’t exist until Peyton showed up. We will see how fair weather they really are in a few years. When I was a kid, it was really easy to be a Skins fan. I was a jr. in high school in 91-92. Take my word on it, or any 49ers or really any Cowboys fan, they haven’t done crap since 95, that the end is coming. Mediocrity or worse will set in there for a long time. Then lets see how full the house Peyton built is. I hope you stay loyal to your team and not let them sail on a Mayflower out of your town.
by brettpedigo on Aug 18, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
There are a lot of fans who will leave.
To hop on to the Bucs or Packers bandwagon in a few years.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
I'm afraid so.
too bad to. Although having the new digs should help through the lean years. I hear it is nice. I was supposed to go tomorrow in a box, but I live in LA and can’t find the time away from work.
It's pretty nice.
Huge though and not very loud except for basketball games there.
"We are all replaceable. All the cemeteries are full of replaceable people." -Arsene Wenger
I can't wait, either
Fairweather fans are about as useful as having a wife who can’t cook.
by Matty_Sweatshirt_KTA on Aug 19, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Good riddance.
I was a fan when we sucked. I’ll be a fan when we suck again.
I’ll just drink a little more.
I must rule with eye and claw — as the hawk among lesser birds.
-Duke Leto Atreides
by peytonsurdaddy on Aug 18, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
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