Steelers at Redskins Preseason Recap - Shanny Awards
After a rough and expensive Friday night, I decided to take it easy Saturday night and re-watch the Steelers at Redskins game (along with GB at CLE and SF at New Orleans). As expected with pre-sesaon games, there was good and bad. Instead of just dumping my notes, I thought I'd give out Shanny Awards to key categories. Whichever Redskin accumulates the most Shannys by the end of the season wins a Ken Meringolo autographed toilet seat.
BEST SPECIAL TEAMER: Brandon Banks (other nominees: Graham Gano, Darrel Young)
Brandon Banks has a je ne c'est quoi. His kick returning skills have reached the fluidity and ease that Dante Hall once had. Whenever Banks fields a kick, he's able to stay patiently smooth and find that lane where normal returners are diving forward for an extra yard after being surrounded by opponents. Graham Gano had a solid game 3-3 on kicks. Did you see Darrel Young's fantastic Special Teams' block pn Banks' 20-yard punt return? As for Aldrick Robinson muffing two punts, let's remember that Brandon Banks muffed 3 kicks during the 2010 pre-season.
BEST TECHNIQUE: Barry Cofield (other nominees: Gano, Moss)
Nose Tackles usually are considered to be big, fat guys that simply clog the middle, which is why Redskins fans have been bearish on how a 300 pound Cofield can handle Nose. Cofield was consistently in the Steelers backfield using a side-step swim technique that worked over and over and over. On one third and short, Cofield swam right by the Center and made the stop. The former Giant is a smart player and it's showing. Stephen Bowen registered a sack from the NT position on a great technique move too. Santana Moss gets an honorable mention because his 5-star route running significantly makes Rex Grossman's job easier.
RISING STAR AWARD: Markus White (other nominees: Erik Cook, Evan Royster, Redskinettes)
Of all my game notes, Markus White's name is consistently in them. The former FSU Linebacker has that speed and "get around the corner" agility that reminds me of Clay Matthews. Erik Cook had a solid game until they moved him to Guard for a few plays. Evan Royster ran consistently well and even had a nice block on a blitz pickup. I didn't think it was possible but somehow the Redskinettes got hotter. Maybe the clothing got skimpier? I don't know but they were in mid-season form.
WORST TECHNIQUE: Selvish Capers (other nominees: Will Montgomery. Kellen Clemens, Shayne Graham)
Shayne Graham deserves this award, but I really don't like wasting time talking about kickers. I counted multiple plays where Capers was on his butt standing too tall on snap. Will Montgomery overall had a good game, but once he ended up on his rear and got pushed around at times. Kellen Clemens was 9/17 with a 71 QB rating. It seemed worse than that to me. We should give him the benefit of the doubt since he's only been with the team for basically a week.
GAME MVP: Rex Grossman (other nominees; Santana Moss)
He was flawless in his first game and silenced critics. I watched a replay of the Saints pre-season game tonight and the announcers said the Redskins are worse than the Panthers since they have no idea who their QB is. It's safe to say Beck has the same odds as winning the starting job does as I do convincing a Redskinette to go out with me.
Final notes:
Did you notice how ALL of the Redskins Running Backs did well? It looks like Shanny has his Denver system finally clicking in D.C. Hankerson continues to drop balls in the middle field. When I was at training camp, I noticed this as well. Is he scared to go across the middle? The Redskins had 0 sacks, 0 penalties, and 25 first downs with ten minutes left to go in the game. Amazing.
The 3-4 defense was finally working as designed. The LBs were consistently hitting the line of scrimmage with no blockers in sight. Compare that to last year where Guards were consistently five yards up field running right at London or whoever was there.
The misdirection screens are a thing of beauty. They freeze the pass rush and just make the offense much more fluid.
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I would probably include
Fletcher in the NFL discussion. Maybe he wasn’t in long enough to warrant it, but he didn’t waste any time proving once again he’s the most important, and most prepared, part of our defense, if not the whole team.
by CJHutch on Aug 14, 2011 1:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
*MVP discussion*
Is what I meant to say. Damn spell correct
by CJHutch on Aug 14, 2011 1:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Its funny
because even though Monty was nominated for worst technique, he’s still a huge upgrade over Rabach. A testament to how bad our line was last year.
and no love for Mo Hurt on the rising stars runners-up? come on man.
Mo Hurt definitely played well and deserves to be in that list
I thought Willie Smith did good too.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 14, 2011 2:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I am seriously hoping
that those two become starters for us in the next few years, Mo at LG and Willie at RT when Brown is gone.
Will Smith
just flat out looks the part, doesn’t he?
Mo Hurt looked good too, and seems to have his “fleshiness” under control. I was quite impressed with the team’s conditioning level, especially considering how little practice they’ve had.
I thought both were more impressive than Cook even
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by Steve Shoup on Aug 14, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
3-4
It seems we really have the personnel in place now to run an effective 3-4. I have a feeling we will be a swarming turnover creating machine this year. I’m very impressed with how prepared Shanny has the team within just a few weeks. Definitely a breath of fresh air. Well at least until the next pre-season game.
It seemed that the only time
the Steelers had space to run against our defense was when the linebackers over-pursued and ran themselves out of the play. That’s going to happen at times with this agressive defense, though. I can’t wait to see this defense with our starting safeties on the field (although I still don’t like the 3-4 defense).
I’m very impressed with how prepared Shanny has the team within just a few weeks.
I only managed to watch the first half but, given such limited preparation, I too was struck at how much collective cohesion there was to the Redskins play – particularly from our much-maligned O-line. And yes, those misdirection plays are indeed a thing of beauty. I seem to recall they were also relatively successful for the Skins last season too.
by English Redskin on Aug 14, 2011 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Royster
I am always a supporter of Penn Staters. Glad to see the shout out for Evan Royster. What he lacks in athleticism he makes up for with smart play and hard work. He’s always had a knack for getting extra yards after contact, and he is a very well rounded back. It’s a crowded backfield so he has his work cut out for him, but I’m glad to see he had a nice debut.
He seems like the steady, reliable, 4 yards and a big hit kind of guy
good guy to have around.
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Torain
I’m starting to think he may wind up looking for a job along with Kelly unless he comes in soon with his A game.
Sucks to be Beck now, too. He may have had a chance, but with Rex’s performance this week, Beck would need to pull off some serious TD ripping drives to have any kind of chance. We’ll see.
Sellers? Does he keep a job with the Skins or not? Are they just testing Young out during the preseason and giving Sellers some looks at TE just to give the team some interesting options during the season? What gives? Is Sellers just past his prime and the team has moved on to the next generation (Young)? Doesn’t it seem strange there isn’t more fanfare around this given how long Sellers has been with the Skins?
Sellers is old and expensive
and hasn’t played well the last few years. I’m hesitant to annoint Young after one preseason game, but it looks to me like Sellers is on his way out.
Sellers should be gone....
He was great a few years ago…but it would seem his rising age and the big contract he got 2 years ago have seriously affected his offensive game. He was still a beast on special teams last season….but we brought in Fox from the Steelers who was a special teams captain and has youth. When comparing TEs…Sellers is due $950,000 this season….Cooley already is our big $ TE…Davis makes $555,000 and needs a contract and pay raise to be here past 2011, and Paulsen makes $405,000. We have great special teams players that can fill what is Sellers, arguably, most special remaining talent. Will we get enough production from him to warrant the extra money he makes over Davis and Paulsen at TE? The only way I see it making sense to keep him is if Cooley’s injury requires IR (they say 2-3 more weeks). If we are truly getting younger…this is an area we need to continue that trend, IMO!
I am ready for some Redskins mother f&%$ing football!!!!
Personally,
I wouldn’t even keep him around if Cooley were injured. I’d give his roster spot to someone young that we either can’t stash on the practice squad because of eligibility or because we aren’t sure that another team will sign them away. His blocking has just been way too lackadaisical the last few years
It's funny about Markus White
Having watched him at FSU, my take on him has always been that he’s awesome when there’s a guy on the other side of the line to draw a double team. FSU plays a four man front, but he had Brandon Jenkins, sackmeister extraordinaire, on the opposite side last season. Teams can’t double them both up effectively. He struggles when he has to fight off two linemen, or a lineman and a chip block from the back, but if our DEs are tying up the line and White comes around the end, somebody’s taking a shot. He’s not a starter on this team with Orakpo and Kerrigan out there, but he’s a damn good backup option, and should see decent playing time spelling one or the other two above mentioned guys. Considering how our D-line looked in this game, and assuming (absolutely no guarantees) that they continue that level of play, Markus could be the steal of this draft.
I watched the game twice now, and here is my take
O-Line – Say want you want about Licht, but the dude played well. He is ideal for the ZBS, and looked very comfortable next to Williams and Monty. He showed a nice slide step, and was able to reach his defender without giving up too much ground. He also did an excellent job of staying on his blocks. TW did excellent IMO. Both his run and pass blocking were exceptional. His feet looked even better(and they were great to begin with). I was trying to focus on the nterior guys, and the angle often messes me up, but overall I ythough Chester played well too. I saw him downfield on blocks, which makes me happy. Mo Hurt has good feet for big man, and does well on run blocking. Brown is back to his old form. This may be hard to say after one preseason game, but he was abusing some of the stud Pitt LB’s. No surprise here(maybe Steveo can eat some crow). Also, for an undrafted rookie, Smith played well. He had some problems with getting too high on a few plays, but oherwise, he was a pleasant surprise.
WR/TE – First let me say, Fred Davis looked awesome. Freakin ripped, and fast. Ran excellent routes. He did drop that one ball where he got sandwiched, but I’m not holding that against him. He also has improved his blocking. If he’s not our starter, something is wrong with our coaches. Hankerson was a disapointment. I know it’s way to early to say this, but he didn’t look very fast coming in and out of breaks, and just flat out dropped a ball in his bread basket. I liked Austin. He has really improved since last season in the route running dept. His hands were always good, and they continue to be. From what little I saw of Paul, he looked good. Man, is he a big target. I was most impressed by Gaffney. He ran crist routes, and cought everything. He will be a major weapon for this offense.
RB – Hightower looked great. He hit the holes with authority, and finished his runs well. He was excellent in pass pro too, and showed off his receiving skills out of the backfield. Royster, like I expected, showed the patience thats made him good at PSU. He’s not going to blow you away, but he sets up hjis blocks well. He just lacks the burst I’d like to see getting through the hole. I thought Young did a great job at FB. Not so much for KW.
DL – These guys were nightmares. I loved the way Haslett kept moving them around. Very smart. Jenkins was as advertised. I one-man wrecking crew. Bowen is FAST off the ball, and very powerful. Coefield is going to be tough to handle all season. Kerrigan looked out of place, but it was his first game, so that is to be expected. He didn’t look natural at all in pass drops, but I assume it will improve over time. He was thinking too much, and it showed in his game speed. White and Jackson both played well(and fast). I didn’t see White in coverage too much, but the kid has a motor, and can really hit the edge. He set the edge well against the run too.
LB – I thought Riley, in limited action looked good, especially in pass coverage. He was getting great depth on his drops. I would have liked to see him more with the first team.
CB/S – Wilson likes to play physical at the LOS. This will pay off huge when we get OJ and Landry back. You could see where it hurt us with Horton back there. I thought Reed played well at S. I also thought Barnes was exceptional. He really looks like he could start. His technique is so much better. I was also impressed with Gomes. He played excellent in the box. Kid likes to hit.
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haha I'll 'eat crow' on Brown when he stays healthy and productive enough to warrant that 5 year deal
While Licht wasn’t as bad as last year (i.e. not sacking Grossman) he still showed poor awareness, and looks to be quite susceptible to the blitz.
As for Davis I agree he looked the part, but his blocking wasn’t too great there were a couple plays where he got blown up, or just whiffed on the guy.
I agree with pretty much everything else
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by Steve Shoup on Aug 14, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Licht anticipated the blitz well
and was also very good in chip and reach blocking.
Will have to disagree with Davis’ blocking. I thought he did quite well on the stretch play, and even had some nice downfield blocking.
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I felt that Licht was late getting over to help either Williams or Montgomery on a couple of plays
that resulted in a bit more pressure than was necessary. I don’t think it make a huge impact b/c Grossman completed most of those passes. I thought that he didn’t anticipate the rush to well, and he got all he could handle on a couple of other plays. Had that been more than a vanilla defense and facing more of the Steelers starters I think he would have gotten beaten more for sacks/pressures etc.
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hightower played 100 percent
he wants to show he belongs, which i appreciate but i dont think his preseason carries are a big deal
by alwaysremember21 on Aug 14, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The safties were playing both up close and deep apparently depending on the offense's deployment. In that scheme there
is not much difference between SS and FS. That might be OK with Horton and Doughty, but Landry would not work well in that scheme given his coverage skills. Atogwe might be OK with that shift.
by Jefferson1935 on Aug 14, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
as much as we malign Landry's coverage skills
they are far better than Horton’s.
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Completely agree.
Landry isn’t horrible in coverage. In fact, when he’s not trying to jump routes, he’s very good in coverage. He’s got great speed and ball skills; he just needs to learn not to take chances when he’s assigned to deep coverage.
It is notable that Haslett did not use his safeties like that last season, although he said that there would not be that
much difference in FS and SS. It will not be until after the preseason before that will be seen.
by Jefferson1935 on Aug 15, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
slow down big fella
Brown is back to his old form.
John Keim disagreed and said he’s still too stiff. Gets beaten by guys setting him up to the outside then ducking inside.
I’m not sure his speed and athleticism will be good enough for him to ever be anything about ‘decent’.
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given that it was the 1st preseason game...
I wonder how dumbied down the game plan was. I believe it is smart to call some plays that can give the guys confidence, but, if the other team is extremely vanilla, the regular season results may not match.
Most important was the energy displayed by all the guys. If Shanny’s can keep that up, much of the talent will show itself.
Shanny said last year they don't game plan for their opponents
They just run plays….hard to imagine the Steelers put in much effort either.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 14, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I would hope the Steelers didn't gameplan....
because if all the preseason predictions are right…and their 1s played like that against us….no repeat SB appearance for them. That, of course, is fine by me!
I am ready for some Redskins mother f&%$ing football!!!!
Offense didn't run much motion, or 3 WR sets
Lot of basic plays.
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Hankerson just stunk
Both his drops were when he was wide open. The first on the crossing pattern and he had the defenders well behind him. He wasn’t about to get whacked. The second on the curl near the goal line was the same. Sloppy technique. So I’d put him in the “Worst Technique” since he’s been considerably more hyped than Capers and the rest above.
the throw on the curl wasnt where he expected it
he isnt used to being a pro reciever. In college they throw where the route is going in the pros they throw where its open. I wouldn’t get to bent out of shape he has a whole season to fix those issues
by alwaysremember21 on Aug 14, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Team Prep during Lockout
I think this is also a great testament to the various comments I heard about how well the team was working together during the lockout. Sure, I am glad that Shanahan has them going well, and in a 2nd year in a system, that’s more to be expected, but I think there was a lot of good work done in the practices run by the players. We might see this throughout the season, which would be a good thing.
Rex was flawless?
I know the Giants were rusty, and Eli missed two passes badly (no INTs though, yay) so I’m not trying to get into that argument, but Grossman had at least three throws off his back foot that were nowhere near their target. He was surprisingly crisp on most throws, and the one where he led Moss to the outside was very nice, but “flawless” is a touch of exagerration. Preseason will never, ever shut up a player’s critics ‘cause it doesn’t mean jack.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 14, 2011 10:38 AM EDT reply actions
ok yes
If he was flawless his QB rating would have been 158.3 and not 107…but for a guy that fumbled the ball 5 times in preseason last year (and 1 INT)….he kept this offense moving. No turnovers and no penalties.Try not to be so defensive and literal. I get it tho with Giants reeling a bit.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 14, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe if The giants scored a td on offense
This guy wouldn’t be on here tryna rain on our parade, how come nobody is talkin about that one move Roy helu made when he shook about 3 steelers
by BmoreRedskin on Aug 14, 2011 11:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey Bmore
Where do you watch the games up here?
Always looking to get some guys together forSly Fox or somesuch. I am down here in Pasadena. Ravens central…
"My cat's breath smells like cat food."
I still commend you guys for being in the middle of Ravens country
and being fans to the core, I’m loving the moves Shanahan made and I’m cautiously optimistic about this team.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Aug 14, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The middle of Ravens country is in the middle of Redskins country.
by _Skullduggery_ on Aug 15, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol
yeah, definitely reeling from a crushing preseason loss. Who’s getting defensive here? I watched the entire first half and rewound quite a few plays to watch them again. I repeat, he made some great throws, and the lack of TOs was nice for a whole half. But to say that his critics will think “hey, that was a GREAT half of preseason football, maybe he’s not a mediocre QB with a career 40-40 TD to INT average who made a silly statement recently” is getting a bit giddy given the circumstances. I wouldn’t have blinked at “encouraging”, “solid”, “good” or even “great given the setting” as performance descriptions. “Flawless”? Little over the top.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 14, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You are probably correct
Eli has probably never in his career thrown a 73% completion rate in one entire half of an opening preseason game. I tip my hat sir.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 14, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I seem to remember one gane...
where he started off like 14 or 15 out of 17 (or something ridiculous like that) and the the first incompletion was a drop as well. I don’t remember how he finished, and I could very well be wrong here.
smh
why are you here anyway?? you ought to be concerned about that so called QB up in the NYC.. guess you would know a thing or 3 about a mediocre QB… you better hope Nicks can bail him out this year….
lets not start criticizing the NYG qb situation
we have beck and grossman
by alwaysremember21 on Aug 14, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
smh
i call it like i see it… it is what it is.. having “suspect” Eli didnt stop him from commenting about our QB… just saying…
smh
p.s. put your SKINS cap back on and defend your QB… especially when he’s being belittled by a division rival…. again, smh… you sound like that ny midget…
Keep shaking your head like that
it’s like to fall off. Well, Eli is no Mark Rypien or Joe Theeesman, but if you consider him a mediocre QB you aren’t capable of having a rational football discussion. Manning has had more yards and TDs in the last two years than Grossman has had in his entire career. Oh yeah, and he won his SB by throwing more TDs than INTs, something the Sex Cannon was not able to do.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 14, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
You coming here and comparing Rex to Eli
Is proof that the giants have jumped the shark. Damn, even Steve Smith saw that!
Remember
You’re comparing your #1 overall pick QB to Rex Grossman. If that doesn’t scream “mediocre” to you, nothing will.
Wasn't the first to do it
just responding in a gentlemanly manner. The next three weeks will be more fun discourse back and forth, and then it will be actually settled in a meaningful manner.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 14, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
Can’t wait to hear all the Redskins-Giants shit talking leading up to Week 1, that’s a big part of the fun in my opinion.
+1
I work with a lot of giants fans shit gets ugly twice a year
by alwaysremember21 on Aug 14, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
still smh
thats the fan in you talking…. you know as well as i and the rest of folks who watch football that Eli is in fact mediocre.. he has a career rating of 80… last year he threw the most int’s in the league (25). and before u say he was followed by Brees (22), Brees had a higher comp percentage, more yards, more td’s and a higher rating..
Eli’s rating last year was 85. 17th in the league.. 85?? that dudes been in the same system for 7 seasons now and he can only muster an 80 career rating? the only other QB that has been in the same system that long with similiar results is M. Hasselbeck (career rate 82).. would u call him mediocre?? i would…
now lets take a second and look at some other QB’s that fell in that 85 rating range last year : J. Cutler (86) (career 84), Jason Campbell (84.5) (career 82) lmao.. comn JC is better??, Carson Palmer (82) (career 87), Kerry Collins (82) (career 74), Alex Smith (82) (career 72), Ryan Fitzpatrick (82) (career 73).. although i wouldnt say these Qb’s stink (save a couple), they are def poster children for mediocrity and Eli is in the homeroom too.. is that “rational” enough for you?
you mentioned his ring didnt you? LMAO while still smh… i give credit where credit is due.. ATTA BOY DAVID TYREE !!
i think folks get caught up in that dudes last name.. atleast you appear to be hooked.. step away from the “blue” pills and call him like we all see him.. but alas, your a fan..
p.s., how do you lead the league in int’s while having one of the lowest sack totals?? it would appear he had all the time in the world————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————> to throw picks…. you ought to be scratchin your head right about now…. LOL… plz…
Yep, you nailed it
I’m a fan blinded by loyalty, whilst you are an impassive observer, in no way influenced by your hatred of the QB that has owned your beloved team with a 10-3 record over his career. You take one overrated stat that doesn’t take the circumstance of each pass into account, and one admittedly bad stat. I’ll counter with some other stats that might interest an objective student of the game like yourself:
a) Completions- Eli was 8th in the league
b) Yards (kind of important)- 5th in league
c) Comp %- 9th in league
d) TD (also kind of important)- 4th in the league
e) Pass plays over 20 yards- Tied for 2nd in league
f) Longest pass play of the season- 1st in the league
That six areas where he is among the top ten in the league. Maybe we’re working with different definitions, but top ten is not mediocre in my book. You may disagree of course, that is your irrational right. I see some more head shaking in your future.
p.s. Oh and David Tyree? Good response. Because David threw himself a TD pass, escaped four Dlineman to throw himself a miracle play, and then threw the game winning TD to Plax. How did he not get the MVP again?
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 14, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
the scratching continues
glad u replied.. i was waiting…
a)completions – it all depends on the offensive scheme and game situations. he should be top ten in this area (8th) because he was top ten in attempts (8th) also. hell, Sam Bradford beat him here (7th) but Sam also threw the pill more than Eli.. if you look at the list in this category (completions) from last year, you will notice when u put it in order from 1st to last, the attempts seem to automatically line up that way also… you follow??
b) yards – there werent too many QB’s that threw the ball over 500 times and didnt end up w/ 4,000 yards atleast. out of the 3 that didnt get 4k, 2 were very close and 1 (Sanchez) not so close w/ 3200..
c) comp % – last year 20 QB’s were at atleast 60% with another 3 at 59%.. thats just about all the QB’s in the league.. Eli was at the low 60’s with 62%.. Shaun Hill and Chad Henne were at 61%.. follow me??
d) TD – yes, he threw 31 td’s… too bad he also threw 25 int’s.. great qb’s seem to have double the amount of td’s when compared to int’s… mediocre qb’s seem to have just as many int’s as td’s if not more… werent u the 1 who talked about Rex G. having a 40 to 40 td to int ratio?? well 31 to 25 isnt miles apart from 40 to 40.. if 1 stinks so does the other… oh i forgot, only 1 of those two is named Manning…
e) plays over 20 yards – how much Y.A.C. was involved? last year he had a squad of talented receivers..
f) longest play ?? – really? lol but ill entertain.. Eli completed a 92 yard pass. again, how much Y.A.C. was involved?? Brian St. Pierre completed an 88 yard pass last year… Brian St. Pierre… follow the nonrelevance???
yep, 6 areas Eli was top ten in but he isnt a top ten QB.. i wonder why?? and you guessed it, im smh…
p.s., this is what i mean when i say its the fan in you.. you know like i know that Eli threw a LAME DUCK prayer of a pass, so HIGH that Tyree could only catch it with his finger tips after jumping as high as he could.. everybody here on the haven could have thrown that pass but not all of us could have caught it.. not to mention it was on 4th down.. it was that DAVID TYREE catch that extended you guys super bowl play…. put the fan away for a minute and be a realist.. im waiting to talk to him…
by tommy gunn on Aug 14, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve gotta agree. The Giants are a good team, but Eli is overrated.
by _Skullduggery_ on Aug 15, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Again
you point out one part of the Tyree play, whilst ignoring everything that preceeded it. And also ignoring the other parts of that statement I made, but whatever. Rex’s TD to INT ratio is a career. That’s a 41 game sample size. You try to counter that with one season from Eli, a 16 game sample size. That argument would get you laughed out of any Statisitcs 101 class. Let me counter then with Eli’s 2009 season, another 16 game sample size. 27 TD to 14 INT, that 2-1 ratio you are talking about. How about his 2008 season, another 16 game sample size. 21 TD to 10 INT, another 2-1 ratio. Two season which combined are better than REx’s entire career to date. You can make the silly argument that Eli’s increased TO’s show a regression, while ignoring all other categories in which he has steadily improved, including completion %. Fine, that argument can’t be countered until we see the full results of this season. A second year makes it a trend, a bounceback year makes last season an aberration.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 16, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
bout time you made it back..
this is a fun convo… firstly, i pointed out the Tyree play because that is the play that allowed you guys to win.. you have to admit that… it was 4th down with very little time left on the clock in the 4th quarter.. the giants were done if Tyree had not made that catch.. period..
secondly, i wasnt comparing a season stat to a career stat (40-40 to 31-25).. i was merely saying that 31-25 is just as bad as 40-40.. had Rex ended up w/ 40-40 in one season it still would be terrible..
i bet you would only want to go back to 2008 when your talking about Eli.. if your gonna time travel, go all the way back… let me do it for you… ill start at his 1st full season which was 2005 ( 24td – 17int)(75 rate), 2006 (24td – 18int)(77 rate), 2007 (23td – 20int)(73 rate), you covered 2008 (86 rate) and 2009 (93 rate) (of course)(i would say he was above average during those seasons but not elite), and i covered 2010 (85 rate).. 4 “mediocre” outings compared to 2 above average (def not elite) outings… what 2nd season are you waiting on? hes given you 4…
your right, Eli has been steadily increases each season in alot of catergories.. lets have a look.. lets start with your favorite,
comp % – 2005 (52%), 2007 (57%), 2007 (56%), 2008 (60%), 2009 (62%), 2010 (62%)…. 3 below average outings compared to 3 average outings….. again, 20 QB’s in the league were at atleast 60% comp % with another 3 at 59%.. how do you boast Eli’s 62% when damn near every other QB in the league is doing that? not to mention again that Eli is in the LOW sixties… it could be me but it would appear that Eli has hit his ceiling here… what 2nd season are you waiting on?? hes given you 3..
yardage – steady increase here (about time) but hes thrown the ball over 500 times from 2005 -2010 save 1 season (2008 – 479).. again, most QBs that throw over 500 plus balls end up with over 4000 yards passing.. it would appear that it comes with the territory.. Eli is kinda diff though.. in the 6 seasons hes thrown over 500 times hes only grasped over 4000 yards twice… twice?? both of those over 4000 yarders he barely made it (4002) (4021)… what 2nd season are you waiting on?? hes given you 4..
td’s – steady increase here also but you cant look at td’s w/o looking at int’s.. they go hand in hand.. you throw one td then throw one pick and that td is negated… see brett favre for a reference.. tony romo also… 2 (2008, 2009) outta 6 (05, 06, 07, 10 were average at best with 2010 being terrible) seasons has Eli’s td to int ratio been above average… two?? what 2nd season are you waiting on?? hes given you 4…
int’s – steady increase here too unfortunately… Eli threw about 20 (rounded) picks in 05, 06 and 07.. he then dropped to 10 int’s in 08 but then he started a DRASTIC climb from that point to present (09 – 14int) (2010 – 25int).. only 2 of those seasons did his td production negate his int production.. two?? again, what 2nd season are you waiting on?? hes given you 4…
lastly, this was never about comparing Eli to Rex… no doubt in my mind that Eli is the better of the two.. this was all about Eli being “mediocre” which you claim he is not…
question, if he isnt “mediocre” then what is he?? now mind you, i dont want an answer to this question from your fan cap… if the hat insists on speaking please disregard the question… lol…
Flawless? Who said that?
At least we dont need to come up with the same old excuse that “My team played bad cause it was only the preseason” Good teams are always good. Good teams that have been together for years should never get the preseason excuse. I would be bitter to if my team had traded P. Rivers for Eli Manning… ha ha
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helps when you read the post. I’m not bitter, and youd’ be hard pressed to find 10% of Giants fans who are. Rivers plays in a weaker division and in the most perfect weather that’s not in a dome, and yet has still done nothing but put up awesome fantasy numbers. He has yet to show he can consistently throw in cold weather, has a worse playoff record than Eli, and has hilarious instances of acting like a petulant bitch on the field. SD is more than welcome to him.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 14, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldn't care less about either of those two
by alwaysremember21 on Aug 14, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
again, smh
so now your saying that Eli is better than Rivers? in what universe???
realism man….. its priceless
Eli is better in NY
than Lazerface would be. Find one game played in cold weather where Rivers put up numbers consistent with what he normally does. Go ahead, I’ll give you a couple of days. To show you what I mean, go look at his game in Cincy last year. Playoffs on the line, in December, and he gets outplayed by Carson Freaking Palmer. Eli doesn’t get to play in perfect weather 9 games a season, plus he plays in front of the toughest media in the country. With all that, you will never see him barking at opposing players, woofing at opposing fans, or kicking the ball like a petulant bitch.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 14, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Rivers is a better qb period
you say Eli would out play Rivers in cold weather… i say Rivers out plays Eli in ALL OTHER conditions… and thats only because Eli got a chance to get used to the cold… had Rivers been drafted by the giants and got the chance to get used to inclement weather, i think its safe to say he would be better than Eli in it… and lets not mention Tom Brady and Brett Favre.. both play/played in cold weather and are/were exceptional… what is this cold weather EXCUSE of yours??
your telling me, knowing what u know about the 2 right now, you’d draft Eli over Rivers if you could go back in time?? let me answer for the realist in you, HELL NO !! one is the 2nd best in the league while the other is 17th… stop TRIPPING..
so what he’s barking and woofing… some would call that a competitive spirit… i wish the last QB the skins had was barking instead of getting his colgate on… if your the 2nd best in the league you get the right to do that…
Yeah, not comparing him to Brady or Favre
although Favre had a little thing with INTs as well. Your argument cuts both ways. You think Lazerface is better “in ALL OTHER” conditions because you see him playing in “ALL OTHER” conditions almost every freaking game, whereas Eli gets to play in nice conditions in September and maybe some in October. If they were switched Eli would be racking up even more monster stats than he already has because he’d be playing in freaking San Diego 8 games, Oakland one game, KC one game, and any other nice spots every goddamn year. Of course his numbers would be even higher than they are now, which as we established earlier, are top ten in almost every meaningful category. That’s not even debateable. Plus he’s a better leader for his team than Ballkicky McPoutface.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 16, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
oh i forgot
the media?? again, the media?? lol… so its the media that had him throwing 25 picks?? lmao… what is this MEDIA excuse of yours???
are you saying that given your choice of QB's.....
Rivers would be your #2? Over Manning, Brady, Rogers?….hell I would take Ryan, Bradford and Brees over either one of these guys. They are both decent QB’s, they’re strengths and weaknesses are different, but about equal in value when all is said and done.
what im saying is Rivers is better than Eli… period… we were comparing Eli to Rivers… that is all… the “#2” came into play when last years performance was looked at…
Rivers is a top 3 QB (overall career wise) and Eli is not… hell, Rivers out performed Rodgers and P. Manning across the board last season… give Rivers green bays defense and he would win a super bowl too… i beg to differ, Rivers isnt “decent”, he’s EXCEPTIONAL…
you would take Ryan and Bradford over Rivers???? comn….. COMNNNNNNNNNNNNNN !!!! sir, we agree to disagree…
not to mention
Rivers shined brightly still while taking 38 sacks….
LOL… Ryan?? Bradford?? over Rivers??
sir, you slay me…..LMAO…
as you say, agree to disagree on Rivers.....
Ryan is certainly personal preference, I just don’t like Rivers and I don’t trust him when the stakes get high. Bradford is admittedly a wait and see situation, as is Stafford who I don’t think is as good but very well could end up that way.
Bingo
Lazerface is unlikable, and I’m not rooting for him, but if I was I wouldn’t trust him when the chips are down. Eli is competitive, he just doesn’t act like an assclown when he shows it. I’ll take quiet class over “competitive” buffoonery any day.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 16, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
No, the point
is that after every game with a pick he has to answer a deluge of questions while maintaining his cool and coming back every week to perform. Rivers however, can put up a clunker in a game with tons of playoff significance, and there is a collective yawn because no one in Sand Diego cares that much, which is why the team is moving to L.A. That’s the difference.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 16, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Bye Shane Graham
We hardly knew you
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When life gives you shit, make shit salad.
Shayne Graham Cut
Well didn’t we all see this coming.
Seems sort of precipitous to cut the guy so soon
What’s the hurry? Maybe bringing in somebody else? Or maybe they saw something in camp that suggested that he had actually lost his leg?
Go Redskins
Everything positive going forward just need to keep improving in all areas some more than others….. Hankerson has to work on his catching skills as TE Davis. The defense looked good but needs to become more aggressive……….One thing use Banks speed as a receiver out of the backfield to get some big yardage.
like a lot of other people have said
My expectations were very low. I just wanted to see flashes of great play with the realization a season and a 2012 strong off season can get this team in the playoffs. I don’t expect regular season games to be even 65% this smooth but Tim Hightower makes a huge difference. We don’t need to rely on Rex if we have RBs contributing for more than 2.7 yards a.carry.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 15, 2011 7:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
crazy how that works.
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Do anybody kno y Phillip bucannon didn’t play friday
by httrronn on Aug 14, 2011 11:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
His 4 game suspension maybe?
I don’t know the reason but that would be my guess
by alwaysremember21 on Aug 14, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, Shanny.
Give me hope for the future. Let me watch YOUNG guys struggle and succeed as it becomes apparent there is a good plan in place.
Slow & steady my friend.
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