Redskins Trade Jeremy Jarmon to Broncos for Jabar Gaffney
by Parks Smith on Jul 27, 2011 2:35 PM EDT
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The Redskins have sent their 2009 supplemental third round draft pick Jeremy Jarmon to the Denver Broncos for veteran wide receiver Jabar Gaffney. This means the Skins have added both Gaffney and Donte Stallworth to an already crowded WR corps today.
Gaffney, 30, will be playing in his 10th NFL season with stops in Houston and New England. Last year he racked up a career year with 875 yards and two touchdowns for the Broncos.
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| Year | Team | G | Rec | Yds | Y/G | AVG | Lng | TD | ||||||||||
| 2002 | Texans | 16 | 41 | 483 | 0 | 11.7 | 27 | 1 | ||||||||||
| 2003 | Texans | 16 | 34 | 402 | 0 | 11.8 | 33 | 2 | ||||||||||
| 2004 | Texans | 16 | 41 | 632 | 0 | 15.4 | 69 | 2 | ||||||||||
| 2005 | Texans | 16 | 55 | 492 | 0 | 8.9 | 29 | 2 | ||||||||||
| 2006 | Patriots | 11 | 11 | 142 | 0 | 12.9 | 33 | 1 | ||||||||||
| 2007 | Patriots | 16 | 36 | 449 | 0 | 12.4 | 56 | 5 | ||||||||||
| 2008 | Patriots | 16 | 38 | 468 | 0 | 12.3 | 37 | 2 | ||||||||||
| 2009 | Broncos | 16 | 54 | 732 | 0 | 13.5 | 49 | 2 | ||||||||||
| 2010 | Broncos | 16 | 65 | 875 | 0 | 13.4 | 50 | 2 | ||||||||||
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Don't care for this move.
I’d liked to have seen one more year from Jarmon or at least trade him for someone a bit younger – and not a WR.
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Yup, I agree with this too. I don’t see why we needed another serviceable #3 WR around the locker room, but Jarmon’s at least a replacement-level defensive lineman, and we’re kinda hurting for those.
by Andrew Necci on Jul 27, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Talk about a waste.
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Kelly’s time has got to be up. Very soon anyway.
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Terrible
So we sent a promising player for a ‘vet’ that shouldn’t be playing at all for us? Wow
by washfan29 on Jul 27, 2011 2:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Ya. That’s pretty much the jist of it.
what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Well, he was a Vinny pick.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 27, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve always had the feeling coaches didn’t like Armstrong. Falling down…bad timing. He’s a good WR but not ideal…we’re stockpiling a fight for spots #2-#5.
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Feel the same way and that's why I've been saying he's on the hot seat. That seat just got a whole lot hotter.
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He falls down because we don’t have a QB who can hit him in stride. He always has to stop and come back to the ball. Or slide to catch it.
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For real. All Armstrong has done is over achieve, work hard, and catch the few balls McNabb could get to him.
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true but is there a big gap between Armstrong and Gaffney?
and is it a $2.1 million gap that is the difference in their salaries?
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and 3 years, Armstrong is 27
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I’m sure they investigated getting a better return, though it’s a little alarming that we’re getting older in the middle of the rebuild
Rebuild? Here?
The future is now! The fanbase (Snyder) has no patience for a true rebuild.
by BAFGA on Jul 27, 2011 6:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I liked JJ
Thought he would be Daniels successor in the 4-3. Just another casualty of the 3-4 switch I guess.
And yet another reason why 3-4 defenses suck.
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There is a point where you have to realize that you have the personnel for another system- we’re sacrificing an amazing amount of value to switch to the 3-4.
You can keep getting foot surgery to try to make a shoe fit, but at some point the cost isn’t worth the end result.
I wouldn’t hire anyone who coaches a 3-4. It is a garbage scheme. We are going to regret this in the future when we get a real defensive scheme back. It’ll happen soon as well.
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Maybe it is maybe it isn't
but that debate has already been decided. If we’re going to do the 3-4 they need to commit to it. Trying to change it back only sets the team back further. From what I recall the Redskins were still using loads of 4 man fronts last year so I don’t think it’s as big an issue as people are making it.
For what it’s worth I don’t remember a lot of people singing Greg Blache’s praises either. The bend-don’t-break thing may have been stingier with yards but it also didn’t produce a lot of stops or turnovers and despite the better numbers on paper we weren’t exactly a dominant defense. Even when Gregg Williams was DC our defense rarely took over games.
by SkinsOsTerps on Jul 27, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’ll give it this year. Then I want some heads to roll.
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I think the 3-4 is a fine system
I just think we didn’t have enough talent or resources to sacrifice players and draft picks and FA money to make the change. We have had to use high draft picks and FA money to maybe assemble a decent front 7 when we were at the time one of the best pass rushing teams in the league. When coupled with the win-now McNabb move it seemed especially asinine. I have no beef with the 3-4 as a system. I think either system can be dominant with the right players. We just had mostly 4-3 players at the time.
by BayAreaBullet on Jul 27, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Greg Blache's cover-2 influenced 4-3 isn't the only 4-3
People present this false choice between Blache and 3-4 like they were the only options. Especially weird since NYG’s hyper aggressive 4-3 had just stopped the most dominant offense I have seen and won a SB. The whole false choice between Blache and the 3-4 switch is fairly dishonest.
by BayAreaBullet on Jul 27, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
How is it a garbage scheme?
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garbage scheme? Do you think the Packers won the super bowl despite running a 3-4? How about the steelers? Are these just idiots who got lucky?
by hsoup on Jul 27, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pats too
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o and the Ravens
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so you're telling me good defenses can run it
that throws a wrench in this whole theory.
Hey, has the forward pass been legalized?
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
and the Jets, Chargers, Cowgirls…
pretty much all the top D’s run a 3-4. It takes a 2-3 years to mold. Are we really even humoring this discussion?
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We are still missing the vital pieces to a 3-4. It isn’t all about the NT, DT or DE. It is more on the LB’s. Ours aren’t good enough to play a 3-4.
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Give the man a cigar-he's the only one who got it right so far
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jul 27, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes!
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I'd argue DL is more important in a 3-4
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lordy. How is Jarmon an amazing amount of value? What are you talking about? He’s a nice guy and who knows, may go on to have a solid career. But I think our couches have seen enough of him to do an evaluation.
by hsoup on Jul 27, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Apparently Jarmon could not compete with Holliday in 2010. As a 4-3 DE Jarmon looked OK before he tore his ACL.
He may not have recovered enough from that injury to regain his rookie form.
by Jefferson1935 on Jul 27, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
So, it appears Jarmon is a bad fit for this D and we just got what we could for him. Veteran WRs will be a premium first half of season.
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one who had 60+ catches and 800+ yds seems like a solid #2. I get the love for AA, but it’s not like we’re getting rid of him. He just got another mentor. …. but the two vet WRs today make drafting 3 that much more head-scratch worthy…
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STOP GETTING SHITTY OLD VETERANS
These are the assholes who could take away first team practice time from young guys who could actually develop.
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This
So many people on this site are Redskins apologists…open your eyes and see that this FO has no idea what they are doing..the organization is clueless and it starts at the top with Snyder
OR
SUCK FOR LUCK 2011
What are you talking about?
Bruce Allen and Shanahan are both proven winners. This is only season two. You sound like…wait a second…
Vinny is that you?
by SylvesterofRio on Jul 27, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt
But neither have won much when they were in charge of personnel.
Esp. Shanahan.
Let’s not call them proven front office winners yet
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Fair.
But I will defend our GM and coach until the day I die.
by SylvesterofRio on Jul 27, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
In all fairness jarmon was never a fit for any defense we had here and he has not stayed healthy
And despite his age gaffney did put up 875 yds recieving last year, how many of our recievers put up anything close to that.On top of that he’s 6’2 and has ties not only to denver but also houston.
he doesn't really play like he is 6'2", he's not a real red zone threat
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He might be 6'2
but he’s soft and shies away from contact…875 yds catching balls from a repectable QB in Orton and not JOHN BECK
Agreed...
Initally, this does not appear to benefit us, but…
Jarmon has not developed yet, was not going to fit this scheme, even if he did, so as far as I can tell, it was a trade of backups/potential regular season cuts…
Santonio Holmes was traded for a 5th
who the hell would give up a 4th for an older slot receiver?
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 27, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't get it
How does the Cofield signing make sense if JJ wasn’t a fit for the defense?
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For one Jarmon was injury prone
still a bit baffled by this nonetheless
by SkinsOsTerps on Jul 27, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah just for once I wish they would bring in someone who has thrived in a 3-4 instead of converting everyone
Sometimes coaches self confidence gets the best of them making them think they see something they can work with when it’s not there.
by BayAreaBullet on Jul 27, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS is why head coaches should almost never be GMs
Not Shanny, not Gibbs, not Schottenheimer
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agreed
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Marty actually did pretty good with the Chargers personnel
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jul 27, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Rekka
Stop bringing up disparaging statements based on the truth that make it look like our front office is not brilliant. Everyone knows Shanahan and Allen have it all figured out and will be winning the super bowl by 2014.
Rightttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt……keep drinking the kool aid redskins apologist nation
Umm, let’s see. Cofield was a first year starter and has missed only one start in the NFL. First year starter usually = talent. Cofield was good enough to start on a team that won the super bowl.
Jarmon, on the other hand, was not good enough to start on a skins team that has had lots of holes on defense, and that lost 12 games and had a terrible defense. And/or Jarmon is just a bad fit in the skins defense.
nowhere in your reply
did you state that there was any reason whatsoever that Cofield has the ability to play in the 3-4.
He’s never played it in the NFL, and from what I’m reading around here wasn’t even THAT good in the 4-3, he was just a product of the rest of the talent around him.
All everyone keeps touting is how healthy he’s been, I get that
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Cofield has a lot of fans in new york. Also, he was apparently given a substantial offer by NY even though their cap space is tight. That says something.
I think we get a little too mystified about 4-3 vs 3-4. Maybe Haynesworth’s whining got to us. Skins play some 3-4, some 4-3. It’s all football.
Like you say, Cofield was an NT in college. He has the same body as Ratliff, who is an elite NT. Cofield is never going to be an elite anything… he’s not destined for the HOF, but he’s still a good player who started on a super bowl winner and who started straight out of college. And he’s 27 and coming off his best year.
in a 4-3
and coming off his best year.
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surrounded by people better than him, commanding more attn
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Cofield has experience and has proved it on a top line w/ NYG. Jarmon has proven nothing & obviously coaches have had a good look at him. In short, you know what you got w/ Cofield (granted, you know what you got in a 4-3). Kill me now.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 27, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Word has it that Denver was going to cut Gaffney..
I don’t like the move. Jarmon could have been in the rotation at DE (6’3 290).
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
I think I've just had a breakthrough in the Shanaplan.
>Get as many skill position players as possible
>Trade half of them for 5th/6th round picks
>Trade one quarter of them bundled with the newly acquired 6ths and 5ths for a couple fourths
>Trade the other quarter of them bundled with the 4ths for 3rds
>Use one or two of the 3rd rounders we get out of this process to trade up to one of the top picks in 2012.
Yeah, I just Maddened the shit out of this thread.
by TheDeepBall on Jul 27, 2011 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is turning into the Washington Gators! Again.
Gaffney was awesome in college. But as a pro…meh.
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Still more Sooners and Cornhuskers on the team I think
Those couple years were very difficult for me back in the Spurrier error; the only saving grace was watching him wear a hat or shirt that had the dark red and gold spear on it :)
tuck!! Haha. Yeah, that was tough.
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Jarmon was a 4-3 end in a 3-4 system.
By that logic, the same people screaming about Cofield’s signing should be applauding this move. We got a decent NFL veteran WR (how many of those have we had over the past few years?) for a guy that hasn’t panned out. Austin, Banks, Robinson, and Kelly are on notice.
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why in the blue fuck would we dump a young guy for Jabar fucking Gaffney?
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because Jarmon was not going to make the team. Possible Gaffney won’t either. Heck, not out of the question that neither guy makes his respective team.
I was responding to this
Austin, Banks, Robinson, and Kelly are on notice.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
The only logic I can see behind it
is that they really think Jarmon was dead weight and this is the best they thought they could get for him.
Of course the more frightening possibility is that we really don’t know what the hell we’re doing.
by SkinsOsTerps on Jul 27, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It is odd considering Gaffney did all his damage out of the slot last year
Maybe the WR sets are going to be very intricate, much like the defensive fronts. Which makes perfect sense considering we have so much time to prepare with all the new faces. Ugh.
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by NITECRAWLER1G on Jul 27, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
So, lemme see
We get rid of Jarmon, a guy who did EVERYTHING the coaches asked him to do, including first losing a bunch of weight, and then gaining it back, yet we still have Haynesworth. Makes sense.
Maybe I’m wrong, but how exactly was JJ injury prone? I thought he blew his knee out at the end of his (pseudo) rookie year, then came back last year once he got healthy. Am I missing something?
Oh well, so Denver gets a pretty good prospect at D line ( who is also a very smart and GOOD guy), and we get our 2nd 30+ receiver of the day. Sounds like the opposite of rebuilding to me. When do we sign T.O?
+1
Don’t understand the sugar coating happening all over this board.
Two 30+ WRs, an 4-3 DE, the loss of a young DE prospect, Kellen Clemmons(!), no OL help, no CB help, and we’ve got people defending our front office?
it's ruining the community!
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I don't see a lot of people defending anything
this is typical of Shanahan’s tenure so far. No Vinny-esque disasters (with the major exceptio nof McNabb) but not a lot of home runs either. Some solid, competent moves combined with a lot of head scratchers.
by SkinsOsTerps on Jul 27, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Why don't you wait for the full body of work before you start this bitchtastic storm
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3rd
Moss, Stallworth, and Gaffney
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Yeah
I thought about saying that. But I didnt want group ’Tana in with these journeymen. At least he turned 30 fighting for this team.
True, and I certainly agree
I was just going with age, not talent or tenure
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Yeah, it's like Shanny caught the bug
He was used to raking us over the coals when he was on the other side.
What we need is fans that don't totally overreact a tenth of the way into the process
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by Parks Smith on Jul 27, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm not sure
This is over reaction. Jarmon was a fan favorite, a hard worker, and an extremely likable guy. Gaffney is a dime a dozen receiver, past his prime, who’s relationship with Kyle could potentially stunt the growth of our young receivers.
Personally, this reminds me of the Chris Webber trade. Just like you don’t swap big for small (especially YOUNG big for OLD small) in the NBA, I don’t think you swap D line for receiver.
Not unless it’s a stud WR.
If we are 1/10 into the process
Please tell me when the other 9/10 will be. This regime has been around for a year I think it’s fair to evaluate them.
If you are saying we are only 1/10 into this year’s free agency period, well that’s just wrong.
“This regime has been around for a year I think it’s fair to evaluate them”
hahahaha. The ever-patient washington redskin fans.
by hsoup on Jul 27, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not saying
evaluate them in FULL, but evaluate them. Let me ask you when you are at a job do you think it’s fair for your employer to evaluate you 1 year in?
I think he's right
And I’ve been pretty damned patient. I’ve been waiting 20 years for the team of my youth to resurface. But don’t buy into the fact that just because a Redskins coach is making a move, I hafta like it. I’ve seen too many stupid moves over the years for that, a few by this regime.
we're two off-seasons in at this point
opinions can begun to be formed, even if judgements aren’t handed out yet
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Really?
Shanihan is in his 2nd offseason. In the NFL you should be able to turn a team around in 3-4 years. Why does Shanallen get a 15 year plan? We’ve needed a real GM this entire decade, this isn’t an overreaction to anything.
You guys were the ones talking up our late round WRs, now we’ve added Stallworth, Gafney and Brandon Stokley. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that a mistake has been made already this offseason in either the draft, this trade or FA. And we still lack a #1 threat.
WE will be the Lions and Raider of 2011
Can we go 0-16 nope but I don’t think the SHIP or Band Wagon can take more of this. We given her all she can handle Captain. The BagHEADS will be at FED EX
Yea Jarmon was worth at least 4 wins this year to us.
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Going older instead of younger must be the new trend in the NFL
unless we are innovators…which I highly doubt.
ANDREW LUCK
We are playing to get ANDREW LUCK next year .
Now r yoo going to say that you predikted Luck getin draphted by the Skins? LOL
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by ThuGodfather on Jul 27, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
If you check in the draft thread I stated that after the 3rd or 4th trade back
I kid you not…ask Tiller56
Wow really going out on a limb there
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Yea like when I said Kerrigan would be our draft pick in October and stuck with the whole way.
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Props on that...but
you also ripped me for saying McNabb would end up in Minnesota ( year late but he got there)….I stuck with that the whole way.
That's fine, like I said a lot of things changed from the Fall. Came increasingly clear that was the destination.
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I GOT IT
I finnally found out what we are trying to do. The Stars are coming in full circle. THE WASHINGTON REDSKINS are going to the SUPERBOWL this year. This is the second coming of the OVER DA HILL GANG. Bruce is taking a page out of his father book. Tell me the KOOL AID is real.
WTF
Didn’t we do this last year? Sign a whole bunch of old receivers that didn’t pan out? Why don’t we develop our youngsters?
SUCK FOR LUCK!!
This reminds me more
Of our stockpiling of 30+ runningbacks last year. Guys who took vital practice time from the guys who would actually end up producing for us IN season.
Not sure how I feel about this:
Love the Gaffney trade for Washington. Sure-handed possession guy, excellent route-runner. Brady loved him.
If he approves
we are definitely F’ed. King is a first class moron
by terp121 on Jul 27, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
jesus he just called Gaffney a 'possession' guy? he is truly a terrible writer.
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AHHHHH CHRIST!!!!!
Peter Queen will you please take a sianide pill?
by redskinsreloaded on Jul 27, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean cyanide right?
Don’t want Pee-king to get the wrong formula.
Clearly...
1. The Redskins Coaches, who didn’t draft Jarmon, didn’t feel he fit their scheme.
2. The Redskins must be close to a deal with Cullen Jenkins, etc. who in tandem with our #2 draft pick Jarvis Jenkins – have the DE spots locked down (with Karriker and Holliday there for depth).
Given that, Jarmon was expendable.
I honestly don’t know much about Gaffney other than the fact that he graced my fantasy football rosters during big bye weeks.
Truthfully, I don’t see the harm in bringing in another vet for competition and to help bring the younger guys along. Stallworth will probably be cut before the final roster, and either Robinson or Paul will be Practice Squad guys anyway.
Everyone needs to CALM DOWN. Jeremy Jarmon was not the second coming of Bruce Smith, and Jabar Gaffney is not the devil incarnate. Let’s wait to see how everything plays out in the Shanaplan- there’s still a ton of cap room and a lot of free agents out there. Free Agency did not end today!
by preppiejack on Jul 27, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Very well said
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You don't quit one job
before being hired for another. I hope we get Jenkins but there wasn’t a need to pull the trigger today for Gaffney. Is Jabar Gaffney really going to make this team better this season?
In response to the “you don’t quit one job until you have another” comment- I would generally agree, but none of this is official under the new rules today anyway. Plus, I hear that we are incredibly close with Cullen Jenkins, that we are essentially the only team in the running for him right now.
In response to the “is Jabar Gaffney going to make this team better this season?” comment- I would say I don’t know, and I would ask in return- was Jeremy Jarmon going to make this team better this season? Because I think with our 2nd rounder, Jarvis Jenkins, and the likeliness of Cullen Jenkins signing, (in addition to a plethora of mediocre depth already under contract); my guess would be no.
That being said...
I liked to cheer for Jeremy Jarmon as much as any fan.
I just think that this trade isn’t the end of the world, and is instead a small piece of a larger plan.
Fair enough
I agree with you. Just didn’t like the move because your losing a 23 year old guy who when drafted, people raved about the value they got with that supplemental pick, and who plays a position of need (atleast until Jenkins is signed).
In return you get a 30 year old WR in a position where we have untested youth already in place. Hope that Hankerson and maybe a healthy Kelly will get to see the field.
"who plays a position of need" - Jarmon was never going to fill that position of need. Even before Cullen Jenkins
becomes a Redskin the Team has more defensive ends than they can use.
94 Adam Carriker DE
93 Phillip Daniels DE
92 Albert Haynesworth DE/NT
91 Vonnie Holliday DE
— Jarvis Jenkins DE
73 Joe Joseph DE
72 Darrion Scott DE
— Jeff Stehle DE
UFA 64 Kedric Golston DE – may not get re-signed
by Jefferson1935 on Jul 27, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
yes he very well could
I think gaffney adds a polished receiver to our roster. I would consider him a better option than AA. He catches the ball with his hands and not his shouder pads. It is obvious we needed to upgrade the WR position so why not take a low risk move like this? The coaches have tried to mold jarmon to the 3-4 scheme but it just was not working. I know AA had 900 yds last year, but i think that stat reflected our lack of options at WR rather than how good he is.
everyone is completely calm
some of us don’t like this move.
don’t overreact either.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I'll do my best...
But I am just trying to figure out what in the hell to do with the crate of Jarmon jerseys that I ordered last week and just arrived this morning.
In 8 years I"ll buy one on ebay for $5
so reserve one
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I made my peace with this happening when they suggested the 3-4 switch
This was the logical end result. I bet he does really well in John Fox’s 4-3 though and good for him.
by BayAreaBullet on Jul 27, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Epic Post
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
by ThuGodfather on Jul 27, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
So how are we getting Luck then?
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Top 32 in next years draft, heard it here
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Let's Be Honest
Do you think that we as REDSKINS FANS can handle another season if we only win 4 games and our offense only puts up 14 points a game? Now I’m for change but this is not chance this is more of border line insanity.
by NITECRAWLER1G on Jul 27, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
give it up we arent getting LUCK!
we arent that bad of a team.
No way would we tank the season.
are you serious?
Look at the offense on this team as of right now. They’d be lucky to score 2 TD a game.
DEAD SERIOUS
tell me how buff and cincy are going to have better rcords?
Well the answer is Simple we in the NFC EAST!
by NITECRAWLER1G on Jul 27, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
and they are in the AFC East and NFC North, arguably tougher divisions
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talent-wise we are in league with those two teams
We are officially in the class of teams where the order doesn’t matter.
It’s the lowest class.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Yes, I do
Redskins fans need to see hope for the future. We need to see a future developing.
We don’t need another year of 6-10 or 8-8, while giving playing time to shitty veterans
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by smutsboy1 on Jul 27, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can't help but believe we got more value out of such a trade
Gaffney’s a middle of the pack possession receiver and I’d much rather have him than Stallworth
by Dammit Cerrato... on Jul 27, 2011 4:05 PM EDT reply actions
he's not a possession WR
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
so he's an aging deep threat?
that doesn’t make him possession, that makes him useless.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
He's never been a deep threat receiver
He moves the chains. His Top 3 longest receptions in different seasons have been 69, 56, and 50 yards with every other season having his longest catch be less than 40. Armstrong caught those numbers in one season alone last year. Gaffney is not a deep guy.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Jul 27, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know what kind of guy he is
I don’t qualify him as posession
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
maybe they dumped him cause they are swooping in on cullen jenkins, and whats wrong with gaffney he is a decent 3rd down guy all good things said by his former bronco coaches
lohaus #54
He is too old to be a prominent player the next time we are a prominent team
thus he is useless and only hampering the development of our young WRs
Wouldn't this be Funny
What if we got Andrew Luck and he turns out to be the next ryan, russell, or heath instead of Bree, Manning, or Brady. What would happen then?
Id say luck
Will be a very good QB , if we get the 1st or 2nd pick at least we would not have to trade up .The way our games look we will be lucky to win 2 games out of 8 the first half of the season .
by washingtonwin on Jul 27, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the schedule, find me some wins:
NY Giants Redskins
Cardinals @ Redskins
Redskins Cowboys
Redskins @ Rams
Eagles Redskins
Redskins Panthers
Redskins @ Bills
49ers Redskins
Redskins Dolphins
Cowboys Redskins
Redskins Seahawks
Jets Redskins
Patriots @ Redskins
Redskins NY Giants
Vikings Redskins
Redskins Eagles
lets try that again
NY Giants at Redskins
Cardinals at Redskins
Redskins at Cowboys
Redskins at Rams
Eagles at Redskins
Redskins at Panthers
Redskins at Bills
49ers at Redskins
Redskins at Dolphins
Cowboys at Redskins
Redskins at Seahawks
Jets at Redskins
Patriots at Redskins
Redskins at NY Giants
Vikings at Redskins
Redskins at Eagles
Wins
Cards, Panther, Bills, 49er maybe Viking naww Mcnabb is going to want some payback.
by NITECRAWLER1G on Jul 27, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Bills ,49ers,vikings,loses cards ,panthers wins
by washingtonwin on Jul 27, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
This is annually the dumbest excercise fans do...
Did you have us beating the Packers last year?
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The Skins got lucky knocking some key skill players out of games - Go Landry!
by Jefferson1935 on Jul 27, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
THAT is very true
especially over the first 5 or 6 weeks. It seemed like we knocked at least one of the opposing offense’s key players out of every game.
What should we do
Not even consider the idea of predicting what might happen next year, strap on our blindfolds, and walk into Fedex field expecting 12-4? Not for me
so you would rather predict 0-16 or 1-15
thats the only way we get luck.
Not at all....
but we should never walk into any field we happen to be playing on and assume a loss…..NOBODY!
Gaffney also made news last year when he provided the gun that teammate Kenny McKinley(notes) used to commit suicide. Gaffney said he sold the gun to McKinley legally.
by NITECRAWLER1G on Jul 27, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea that's what I was implying
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split with the cowboys
beat the panthers, bills, seahawks, cards, possibly vikings and 49ers
thats a good starting point.
i see 5-7 wins tell me how that gets us luck
We are gonna do a Mike Ditka and trade all for Luck
by NITECRAWLER1G on Jul 27, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Could
we could beat the panthers, bills, seahawks, cards, 49ers. By no means are they gaurenteed wins. Lucky to win 5
Are you forgetting who the QB of this team is?? and what the OL looks like?
That's 5-7 possible wins
How many of those have we won the last couple years? 50, 60%? Our starting QB is Jon Beck, #1 WR 32 year old Santana Moss, #1 RB Ryan Torrain. We are so lacking on offensive talent it’s not even funny. Our defense can probably hang but it’s more like 4 or 5 wins, maybe 6.
WTF?
Let me get this straight, we are loading up on WR’s and haven’t even adressed the most glaring position of need (OL). You could have Jerry Rice, Art Monk, and Randy Moss all in their prime and if your QB is stuck to the ground with the ball you have NO CHANCE. I know its still early and being a Redskins fan you always want to go over the top but we must improve up front and this is our chance to start . C"MON SKINS bolster the OL!!!!
by redskinsreloaded on Jul 27, 2011 4:19 PM EDT reply actions
We just signed Brandon Stokley hahahaha
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Here you go.
Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Skins, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
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I've been pretty clear in my questioning of this trade
but after reading these comments I hope that’s true just so I can watch heads exploding like microwave popcorn around here.
Of course, if it’s not true I get to watch Parks ban himself. Meh…win,win.
Someone's going a little overboard with receivers
Exactly how many receivers do we need? And how many former Denver players are we going to keep adding??
Guys I figure it out... the FO is just playing for Andrew Luck... it's gonna be okay!
Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Skins, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
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agreed. these last moves put us in good position to nab that coveted high draft pick
boy I can’t wait for this 4-12 season that’s coming together!
What's this hell I view?
Wizards are like the winter
Ice cold from outside
-wjb1492
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