Redskins Review: First 12 Hours of Free Agency
by Parks Smith on Jul 26, 2011 10:00 PM EDT
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PrintThe first 12 hours of free agency may not have been as crazy as fans expected, nonetheless some big moves have been made and there is still plenty more to come in the coming days. The Redskins have not been very active but have signed Santana Moss, two futures contracts, and four undrafted free agents.
Redskins Signings
Santana Moss (3 Years, $15 mil)
Futures
Edgar Jones, LB
Jeff Stehle, DE
UDFAs
Willie Smith, OT (ECU)
Ben Chappell, QB (Indiana)
Shaun Draughn, RB (UNC)
Kevin Gidrey, FB (USF)
Notable Deals
Marshal Yanda resigns with Ravens
Charles Johnson resigns with Panthers
Devin Aromashodu agrees with Vikings
Nate Davis agrees with Colts
Alex Smith resigns with 49ers
Tavaris Jackson agrees with Seahawks
Quinton Mikell agrees with Rams
Paul Posluszny agrees with the Jags
Takeo Spikes agrees with Chargers
Rumored Redskins Targets
Santonio Holmes
Braylon Edwards
Kyle Orton
Matt Leinart
Cullen Jenkins
Barry Cofield
Sidney Rice
Also there was plenty of other news out of Redskins Park where many players reported for duty. Skins training camp is set to begin Thursday with the first practice open to the fans on Saturday.
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No blunders yet,
I’d say that’s an improvement for us.
What the shit
by tony420 on Jul 26, 2011 10:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Big +1
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by Parks Smith on Jul 26, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
Anyone else hoping for Haynesworth/Orton trade?
by HisTToRy on Jul 26, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
hell yeah
"That's what she said!"
by iH8dallas on Jul 26, 2011 10:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Seconded.
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Dumbass question
But what does a futures contract mean in the NFL?
Not a dumb question at all.
It means you can sign a player before the league year starts (usually March), but the players you sign cannot be on any NFL roster at the conclusion of the prior season. So these guys were actually signed in February, we just never heard about it.
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by Parks Smith on Jul 26, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Not going to lie..
I’m disappointed we didn’t sign more UDFAs and the ones we signed are not in positions of need except OT Smith. This team has won 10 games in the last 2 years and the roster sucks. I don’t care if we have 12 draft picks..90 man roster, sign some MF’in UDFAs.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
I completely agree
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by Parks Smith on Jul 26, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree too
but Gidrey could fill a need as well.
by Jim America on Jul 26, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like Dennis Morris?
I can’t wait to see Gidrey’s youtube hightlights!!!!!!!! To be the man, you have to beat the man and no one is beating Sellers or Young especially with a shorten TC.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
I said could not will
Sellers is one of my alltime favorite Redskins, but he hasn’t been producing of late other than on ST. Gidrey probably won’t surpass him this year, but down the road he could be a solid piece. My opinion…you don’t have to act like I’m a YouTube citing Brennanite about it.
by Jim America on Jul 26, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's be honest
Maybe players choose to go elsewhere. I mean that’s a risk you take when you don’t draft a guy you like and hope he goes undrafted, they can choose anywhere.
by Allhailosackpo on Jul 26, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah but it is hard to believe that only 4 players want to come here esp. when we have a ton of open jobs
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by Steve Shoup on Jul 26, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially if the choice is between having a job and not having a job...
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One team had 26 UDFA listed. It looks like someone in player personnel missed it big time.
by Jefferson1935 on Jul 27, 2011 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Still not sure why anyone is so upset
that we didn’t pollute our roster with two dozen scrubs who won’t even make it through the first three days of camp.
That we haven't heard via twitter does not mean that.
Some teams have leaked everything, could be that the Redskins are keeping things closer to the vest.
In the long run men hit only what they aim at. Therefore, though they should fail immediately, they had better aim at something high.
Walden
by matthiasstephan on Jul 27, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Not buying it
players and agents aren’t keeping it close to the vest.
Edgar Jones has shown as a Redskins' player on NFL Players for several months and you or someone else
mentioned him on HH – a former Raven. Jeff Stehle was new to me. He is about the size Haslett likes for a 3/4 DE, although a little light. Stehle is 24 and had no NFL stats, hence he can be on the PS – http://www.nfl.com/player/jeffstehle/2507868/profile
Woah
@Bmitchlive (Brian Mitchell)
Had a conversation with McNabb. Contrary to what’s being reported, he’s not holding up the trade, skins are. Won’t be there tomorrow.
saw that...but i really don't know what to think
McNabb hasn’t exactly been grounded in reality during his tenure with the Skins so I’m not going to buy into anything he says.
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by Steve Shoup on Jul 26, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Horseshit.
McNabb needs to renegotiate before a deal can be done. BMitch doesn’t know shit, it’s ON McNabb to accept an tradeable contract. Take out the M in BMitch and what does that spell?
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matt leinart has already signed with Seattle
What's this hell I view?
Wizards are like the winter
Ice cold from outside
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http://www.fieldgulls.com/2011/7/26/2296064/espn-reports-seahawks-have-agreed-to-terms-with-qb-matt-leinart
What's this hell I view?
Wizards are like the winter
Ice cold from outside
-wjb1492
@MattLeinartQB
MattLeinartQB Matt Leinart
Just wanted to say I have not signed with Seattle amongst all the speculation. I am still weighing the options. Keep you posted
im gonna go with ESPN
i feel like he’ll want to reunite with Pete Carroll and Mike Sando is a reliable reporter
What's this hell I view?
Wizards are like the winter
Ice cold from outside
-wjb1492
But it's against my policy to believe ESPN when anything else is possible......
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yea i just read the updated articled
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Ice cold from outside
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Agreed to... Signed... close enough.
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They signed Leinart and Tavaris Jackson?
Hoarding QBs.
Better than NOT hoarding sub-par QBs :D
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We appear to be hoarding sub-subpar QBS
Kellen Clemons—- yek!
A broken hand can't break our heart. Hoya Saxa!
by SomebodyBuyAustinaSteak on Jul 27, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
They have Whitehurst, too
Sounds like someone may get cut before all is said and done.
Plus UDFA Zac Lee and Josh Portis.
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NFP also has Paul Posluszny saying he's going to the Jags, not that i want him on the team
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Paul-Posluszny-is-headed-to-Jacksonville.html
What's this hell I view?
Wizards are like the winter
Ice cold from outside
-wjb1492
That's listed in the article under other moves
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its obvious that i just skimmed the article..its been a long day man
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Ice cold from outside
-wjb1492
hahaha, gotcha, not hating
Just saying :D
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@Jay_Glazer
Vikes agree to trade 6th rounder in 12 and possibly 6th in 13 to Wash for Donovan McNabb. Deal contingent on McNabb agreeing to much less $$
Not much
But offers something and gets rid of one distraction. Time to dump Haynesworth now.
by BigOLinemen on Jul 26, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Awful deal.
No wonder the Redskins FO would be holding this up. That’s not nearly enough compensation.
what do you expect them to get
McNabb was one of the worst QB’s in the league and Shanny benched him twice last season
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by Steve Shoup on Jul 26, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
McNabb is old
Coming of a bad season, and has 0 value in Washington. This is a solid deal in my opinion.
by BigOLinemen on Jul 26, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
it frees up some cap money and we get to finally move on
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by Steve Shoup on Jul 26, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Cap space is the thing I'm happy for
And I’m glad he can go somewhere better suited for him.
by BigOLinemen on Jul 26, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't disagree
but this is fucking sad, considering what we gave up to get him.
Is there any limit on the number of draft picks a team can have in a given year?
by Jim America on Jul 26, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
no to the draft pick question
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by Steve Shoup on Jul 27, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
one of my separating Madden from reality questions.
by Jim America on Jul 27, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
He's a better QB than anything else we have access to this season.
Better to keep him and force him to start or hold out (and also keeping him available for trade due to injuries to other QB’s) than to take absolutely useless compensation like this. 6th round picks seldom make rosters. Give me a 4th in 2013 on this deal and I’d take it, but two 6ths? BS.
This system is not his match
He spent his whole career reading short to long and Shanahan is trying to get him to do the opposite. If he started, I’d expect similar results to last year. If he held out, his value would drop further man. And don’t knock 6th round picks man.
by BigOLinemen on Jul 26, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm knocking 6ths all day
because that’s not what we need in the next two years. We’ll have much better depth, now we need top-end talent. You find those in the top two rounds, and then rounds 3-4 typically get you guys that are immediate depth and eventual starters. 6th rounders either don’t make the roster or are long-term projects, and aren’t of any real use for trading up into meaningful rounds.
We still need depth
And a 4th round pick is not going to provide top end talent. Those two 6th rounders can be used to sure up our still mangled OL. I understand your frustration, but McNabb was not going to be worth a 4th to anyone.
by BigOLinemen on Jul 26, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Clearly he's worth more than two 6s
which is why this deal isn’t done, our FO knows it. Minny is trying to lowball it, and they won’t accept that. Give us a 6 next year and a 4 the next and that’s closer to fair market value. Make no mistake, McNabb is going to succeed in Minn. They have a strong line, a fantastic RB and a great WR corps. They have a nasty enough defense to give the offense time off the field. This is a division contender with McNabb immediately … as much as I like Ponder, he’s going to need time to adjust and would be better served (just like ALL the rookie QBs) serving as backup for a year or two before taking over. McNabb makes them far better the second he lands at the airport for the next season or two, and they know it. They’ll pay more for it than this, and if our guys don’t force that issue, I will truly begin to lose ALL hope.
6th's do have value esp. when it comes to trading up
Sure a 6th won’t jump us up draft spots alone, but we could offer a 4th and a 6th to say move up in the 1st round a couple spots instead of offering our 3rd.
Keeping McNabb meant paying him one of the top 7 QB salaries this year, that is just bad business.
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by Steve Shoup on Jul 27, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Usually takes higher picks than that to move up in the first
especially to where we’re going to want to be.
I'm not saying we will move up 20 spots or even 10
but say we are sitting their at 10 and a QB we want is at 8, we might be able to pull off that deal.
Or maybe it is our 2nd, 4th and 6th rounder to pick up a late 1st rounder to add (enter name of position here) . Sure it isn’t a great pick, but it is hard to say it doesn’t have some trade value. Or depth value if we keep it.
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by Steve Shoup on Jul 27, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe, just maybe
We can parlay that 6th (or those 6ths) and another low round pick in next year’s draft along with our number 1 pick to move up and grab the QB OTF — Luck or Jones. That’s assuming we don’t suck so bad this year that we can get either of them on our own merits.
McNabb’s just not going to make it stick in DC, so we may as well get SOMEthing for him. Terrible QB move last year… terrible!!
man if thats all we get for him... IMO we should keep him
'' If we score , we might win . If they dont score , We will win '' Willis White
What good does keeping him do us?
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Well I would rather have him and feel like we have a chance to compete in the division rather than our other two options
'' If we score , we might win . If they dont score , We will win '' Willis White
if we keep him though we can't sign as many free agents b/c he will count for too much money
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by Steve Shoup on Jul 27, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I see where your coming from but.... we can sign as many weapons as we want but without a decent QB we are farting in the wind IMO
'' If we score , we might win . If they dont score , We will win '' Willis White
Why?
Are we going to FORCE him to play and suck more? That’s stupid.
Is he really that bad?
'' If we score , we might win . If they dont score , We will win '' Willis White
yep
sure it was a bad team last year, but he didn’t help matters
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by Steve Shoup on Jul 27, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Having one good WR and half ass protection would make any QB look bad
Agree ?
'' If we score , we might win . If they dont score , We will win '' Willis White
sure, but when you are paid more money than any QB not named Manning or Brady last year
you should probably be a little better than 27th in the league in completion %
He was overrated plain and simple. Even the year before when he put up ‘franchise numbers’, he was still not in the top 10 in the league, despite being surrounded by weapons and playing in the same system for 10 years.
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by Steve Shoup on Jul 27, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I can agree with you on that
'' If we score , we might win . If they dont score , We will win '' Willis White
its just not a good system and fit for him
and why should we eat up so much cap room just for him to be at best average for us.
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by Steve Shoup on Jul 27, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed on the cap
I dont have the mind set to keep up with caps
'' If we score , we might win . If they dont score , We will win '' Willis White
So when sending him to a system and fit that's better for him
we need to exact compensation that is fitting for that situation. He’s still better than Grossman or Beck, however. If we end up with Orton, I’ll consider it a wash on the talent.
yea hes worth more than that
Thats one of my main beefs with this trade
'' If we score , we might win . If they dont score , We will win '' Willis White
But those numbers we paid out was no fault of his
just another case of our front office over paying for a player no longer in his prime ( just paying for the name brand )
'' If we score , we might win . If they dont score , We will win '' Willis White
I can think of a couple of exceptions... but certainly not many.
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Ch 4 Dan Helie reported a rumor that the Skins are very interested in Asomugha
Sort of hope not – too much money.
I hope not too
wrong system for Nnamdi anyway.
by Jim America on Jul 26, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Those big money deals dont really work out for us do they
'' If we score , we might win . If they dont score , We will win '' Willis White
I still hesitate to believe Asomugha rumors
I think people are just connecting Skins to the biggest FA rumors.
by BigOLinemen on Jul 26, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Now why would they do that
'' If we score , we might win . If they dont score , We will win '' Willis White
Maybe he wont accept alot less money
'' If we score , we might win . If they dont score , We will win '' Willis White
Just saw we traded McNubbs, pending of course
We are not getting Holmes, I don’t think he’ll be able to leave their offer/contending mentality.
Don’t want Rice or Edwards.
I want Kyle Orton, I think that would be a great pick up and he would give us a fairer shot to compete in every game this season. We can’t kid ourselves, we’re not going to be good this season. What we need to hope for is that 2011 isn’t disastrous, resulting in Snyder making an impulsive decision and firing Mike. Others may think he’s more bullet proof, but I disagree.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Jul 27, 2011 12:22 AM EDT reply actions
GREAT
We’re not going to be good this year. Excellent.
Screw Orton. Beck and Landry Jones.
Not much Landry Jones can do being in Oklahoma and all..
by Dammit Cerrato... on Jul 27, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Looks like the Cowboys are resigning Free for just 4 years $32 million, I def. thought he could get more than that
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I see the 6’4 306 lb Barry Cofield as a 3-4 DE and a nickel NT. He’s not a NT.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
Which gives us two good 3-4 DEs
and a project or two at NT at this point. It’s enough to try to do something with, instead of a total crapshoot like last year.
*3 good DEs
Forgot about Carricker for a second, he has potential with us
I think the belief is his filling that NT hole
They’re still going after Cullen Jenkins according to reports, and while he’s smaller at 306lbs, he’s not alone at that size regarding players who play NT. Remember, Haynesworth has the measurables to play NT, but, according to him, he couldn’t. Cofield’s not being 330lbs isn’t going to deter me from believing he can play the position.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Jul 27, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't see CJ playing NT.
He’s a pass-rushing DE. Heck, he hasn’t even really played DT at all, since he was a DE in GB’s 4-3.
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The Redskins have agreed to a six-year contract with free agent defensive lineman Barry Cofield
$12.5 million in guaranteed money
per WaPO
I'm not concerned about the years you can always get rid of players no matter how long the contract
I’m more concerned with the money, and it seems like we got him for a very good and resonable dollar amount. No terrible contracts or overpayments yet this is great so far.
If con is the opposite of pro, then what is the opposite of progress?
by Area 51 Forever on Jul 27, 2011 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey so how god damn stupid are our coaches?
If we switched from Haslett’s clusterfuck 3-4 back to the 4-3 we could have a lineup of:
Orakpo-Haynesworth/Jenkins-Cofield-Carricker
Mcintosh-Fletcher-Alexander
Hall-Atogwe-Landry-Rogers/Barnes/FA Corner
Now that’s a fearsome front four and a definite top ten defense which actually fits the skills/talents of our personnel. In this blow hard 3-4 we still need another pass rusher OLB, a real NT, and Mcintosh is playing out of position as a 3-4 MLB, London fletcher is too small to fend off guards coming off the line all game long, and orakpo has demonstrated he is more effective as a 4-3 DE than a stand up OLB that has to cover sometimes as he had his best year as a rookie when he was used as a 4-3 DE a significant amount of the time.
If con is the opposite of pro, then what is the opposite of progress?
by Area 51 Forever on Jul 27, 2011 2:46 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
oh shit forgot about him
guess i assumed we didn’t have a first round pick this year like we usually don’t…but that just makes my case even stronger as kerrigan would best serve as a 4-3 DE with his hand in the ground going after the QB and ball carrier every down instead of having to try to cover and play zone half the time with his non existent passing coverage skills. fuck haslett…
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by Area 51 Forever on Aug 10, 2011 4:32 AM EDT up reply actions
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