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Redskins Set For a Bidding War For Santonio Holmes

FOXBORO MA - JANUARY 16:  Santonio Holmes #10 of the New York Jets celebrates his fourth quarter touchdown against the New England Patriots during their 2011 AFC divisional playoff game at Gillette Stadium on January 16 2011 in Foxboro Massachusetts.  (Photo by Al Bello/Getty Images)


According to Gary Myers of the New York Daily News the Jets and the Redskins are gearing up for substancial bidding war for the services of sixth year wide receiver Santonio Holmes.

Bringing back Holmes, the top wide receiver playmaker on the market, as an unrestricted free agent is the Jets' No. 1 priority. Sources say the Redskins have also made Holmes their No. 1 priority.

Redskins owner Daniel Snyder's wallet often doesn't have a conscience - he actually gave Albert Haynesworth $41 million guaranteed two years ago - so Woody Johnson must be prepared for a battle of the checkbooks.


The situation could be reminiscence to the ugly negotiating war in 2003 when the Skins obtained Laveranues Coles. Coles become a pro bowler in DC, but was sent back to the Jets for Santana Moss.  Speaking of Santana, if the Redskins sign Holmes then that has to mean the end of the road for the veteran WR in Washington, right?

Star-divide

Holmes is certainly a talented WR, but he also comes with a rap-sheet that includes multiple marijuana charges and disorderly conduct, among others. He also missed the first four games of last years season because of a suspension from the NFL.  If Holmes was found to be in violation of the league's substance abuse policy one more time then he would be suspended for a full year.

Lets all hope if a bidding war gets out of hand that Bruce Allen can tell Snyder when to quit and walk away. Hey a guy can dream, right?

Update Dan Graziano:

"[While] I can see Holmes being a free agent who's not necessarily chasing Super Bowl dreams (he's already won one), there is the quarterback situation to consider. Holmes likes Mark Sanchez and did very well playing with him last year. Does he want to jump to John Beck's offense? And how much money will it to take to convince him to do so? The Redskins have a lot of holes. Overpaying for a stud receiver when your quarterback situation is a huge question mark might not be the best plan of action."

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I don't think that signing Holmes would dismiss signing Moss...

Holmes, Moss and Hankerson is far better than Holmes, Armstrong and Hankerson.

by ptowny on Jul 25, 2011 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

And then do what with your draft choices? Flush them down the toilet?

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by Parks Smith on Jul 25, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well you could also just chuck em out the kitchen window.

by ThuGodfather on Jul 25, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

not at all....

do you think hankerson, robinson or paul are ready to be either #1 or #2 receivers? I have faith that all 3 of these guys could be productive in the future, but they really need to earn their spots by rotating at the #3 and 4 spots for awhile. I would love for them to get the experience this year, but the experience that they would get behind moss and armstrong would be far less meaningful than if holmes and moss were both on the team. We’re already going to be struggling at QB.

If you want to talk about throwing away draft picks, wasn’t that the idea when they drafted 3 WR’s this year or was it the expectation that all three would make the active roster and get 5-10 snaps a game?

The same can be said for us drafting 2 RB’s in the first 5 rounds when we could have addressed the offensive line. So now we have Torain and Helu sitting atop the RB depth chart with Williams behind them. So was drafting a guy to be our 4th string running back a priority or was that throwing away draft picks too?

The justification for not starting a rookie QB can be said for WR’s too (especially since they don’t have playbooks).Moss will only sign a 4 or 5 year deal anyways, and at his age, we’ll probably release him after 2 seasons if the rookies show progression. Remember, we’ve looked at these rookies really hard since the draft and we like what we see. BUT…they were not first round receivers…they were not 2nd round receivers. Robinson and Paul were taken in the 5th and 6th round, which shows they might not be ready immediately to face NFL defenses. Why would signing 2 FA receivers be that detrimental to their development? wouldn’t the fact that Holmes and Moss were getting the most attention allow these guys to run some routes and catch some passes? That is the experience they need…

by ptowny on Jul 25, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're running out of room, its not if I think they are #1 or #2 WR, you have a log jam.

You’d have…

Holmes
Moss
Armstrong
Hankerson
Kelly
Banks
Robinson
Paul
Austin
Price
Williams
Johnson

And could only keep 5. Who are your 5 going to be?

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by Parks Smith on Jul 25, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Holmes, Moss, Armstrong, Hankerson

I would let the next couple weeks and preseason decide who took that final spot. I think Price, Williams and Johnson don’t stand a chances anyways. That leaves Kelly, Banks, the rookies and Austin. It would be great if Kelly or one of the rookies really stepped up and made the decision easy. I think Banks lacks the the size to be effective other than on punt returns.

Don’t get caught up in emotions and get blinded to what we have here. We have one guy who has hamstring issues, one guy who is one dimensional, 2 rookies and a guy who has a fairly low ceiling. My guess would be Kelly or Paul if it came down to it.

by ptowny on Jul 25, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you think that keeping these receivers on our roster is that important...

then maybe the consideration of keeping 4 running backs instead of 5 should happen.

Torain, Helu, Williams and Royster offer different types of backs with different special skills. Why keep an extra back? These 4 guys won’t all see the field along with Sellers, but it’s very possible to have a 4 WR set where you want to have height, so you throw Hank, Kelly and Paul out there with Holmes…or if you want some speed for quick slants you throw Holmes, Moss, Armstrong and Robinson.

by ptowny on Jul 25, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boooooooooo!!!!!

I’d rather have Moss than Holmes.

by ThuGodfather on Jul 25, 2011 9:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Booooooooooo

I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!

by Tiller56 on Jul 25, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

boooo-urns

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Jul 25, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't care.

I’m just happy football is back.

"That's what she said!"

by iH8dallas on Jul 25, 2011 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Damn...Matt Terl got canned by Redskins

terrible timing. Redskins have fired a lot of great people since new regime: PR lost (Zack Bolno and Matt Taylor), COO David Donovan, Larry Wesiman, and now Terl. No one left.

It appears the intern will run the Skins website. Much cheaper than Terl. I’m guessing on this theory…but Terl has 2 kids under 3 and cant work on an intern salary.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 25, 2011 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Terl is a good dude, sorry to see him go.

Donovan wasn’t “fired” was he?

Pure speculation, but maybe this is part of a long-term makeover by Allen, and might be a good thing (not that firing anyone is a good thing) in the long term.

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by Parks Smith on Jul 25, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boooooo

Terl is a good guy. When he got the gig, pretty much the first thing he was asked to do was pick up Jason Taylor from the airport. We traded a bunch of emails back and forth about it. Struck me as an affable, smart guy that could write well and engaged the fans.

by Jim America on Jul 25, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

...

I’m not sorry to see Larry Wesiman go. He was so boring. We should hire a hot female reporter to report on the Skins. I liked Sage Steele when she covered the Ravens.

There’s nothing better than a hot chick that knows football.

by SylvesterofRio on Jul 25, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Please god no.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Jul 25, 2011 10:07 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

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by Parks Smith on Jul 25, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

No Holmes!!

Let’s continue the rebuilding and not go back to the old ways of overpaying free agents. We have so many holes and paying a guy that could make one mistake and be out an entire year would be a huge mistake.

by Kenneth Grandon on Jul 25, 2011 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Plus he's 27.

So by the time this team “becomes a contender” (2-3 years), he’ll be hitting the point in his contract where he’s wildly overpaid and declining in ability.

This move would make no sense whatsoever.

Therefore, I fully expect it to happen.

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by smutsboy1 on Jul 25, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

We cannot satisfy you guys - you don't want to sign older guys, you don't want to sign younger guys

Who should they sign – the Redskinettes? I don’t like the idea of getting into a bidding war for anybody, but why is it “ugly”? If they got Holmes instead of Santana, the hit would only be the difference in the pay of those two. If they got both, it would eat into our firepower quite a bit. It would seem more sensible to get Santana and another somewhat lower, or second tier, WR (if they got another at all – they could just go with Santana, AA, Hank and the others).
   I’d rather use our resources on O-line and NT before worrying about WR.

by Donnio1234 on Jul 25, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

See, here is the problem:
the hit would only be the difference in the pay of those two.

1. this is a significant issue

2. there is a lot more involved in swapping out Santana for the Next Big Name than just money.

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by smutsboy1 on Jul 25, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree - I prefer Santana over any other WR.

but I meant that if Holmes or Edwards was 8, and Santana 5 or 6, the difference wouldn’t be much, assuming Parks is right that we have about 66 mill to play with.

by Donnio1234 on Jul 25, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's less than that and depends a lot on cuts

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by Parks Smith on Jul 25, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rice over Edwards...

that DWI is going to make him miss a few games

by ptowny on Jul 25, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

This
I’d rather use our resources on O-line and NT before worrying about WR.

I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!

by Tiller56 on Jul 25, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

TO is a freak athlete

and can’t be compared to most WR’s

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by Tiller56 on Jul 25, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

WASTE OF MONEY

If they try and sign him .If anything we should wait til we get a good QB before signing a wide reciever , because why would you get a wr when you have no one to get you the ball . Build the offense up first and see what these new wide recievers can do first before going out and looking for one , stop wasting money and see if these new WR can do anything first .

by washingtonwin on Jul 25, 2011 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

By the way, why jump on Snyder for a totally unconfirmed guess by some writer

and on something that Snyder is almost certainly not even remotely involved in. If they go for Holmes or any other big name, it will be all Shanahan and Allen. If those two waste money, Dan’s the one who could be annoyed. The knee-jerk negativism, hate Snyder garbage actually clouds your minds – brings idiotic philosophy into what ought to be a pure football and budgeting decision. I.e. (assuming we want this guy), is it wise to use our money that way? Will it help the team?

by Donnio1234 on Jul 25, 2011 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

who is talking about Snyder?

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Jul 25, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Donnio loves to defend him even when no one is talking about him.

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by Parks Smith on Jul 25, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

The article mentioned Snyder

“Everyone knows Dan Snyder’s wallet has no consience”

by Jornek on Jul 25, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's a statement of fact.

He owns the team, it’s his money, and his history is giving an open checkbook.

It was a perfectly reasonable comment to make.

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by smutsboy1 on Jul 25, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree!

Once we start winning, all of this will magically disappear!!!

by KonartistNupe on Jul 25, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also that Bruce should tell him when to quit

A gratuitous hit, because Dan isn’t involved at all.

by Donnio1234 on Jul 25, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The initial post, and I think somebody earlier talked the same old stuff as a rationale

for not chasing Holmes. With Holmes, the issue is, can we get him for a reasonable amount. Probably not. They should definitely not get into a bidding war.

by Donnio1234 on Jul 25, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't Forget

Under the new CBA you have to spend money to meet the cap. So why not? This guy was SB MVP for a reason. His ball skills are amazing.

by SylvesterofRio on Jul 25, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

YES

That way Redskins fans can recycle all those Jay Schroeder jerseys.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 25, 2011 11:18 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Why

You want our team to be worse, not better?

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by Tiller56 on Jul 25, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, because of all the red flags about Holmes I wouldn't touch him with a hockey stick.

No Holmes means more playing time for the younger players. Don’t get me wrong: Holmes is a tremendous football player who could help our team. But the thing is Mike Shanahan wants blue collar type of players, and that’s not exactly Holmes’ type. I don’t want to pay him big money to learn a couple of months later he was arrested for something.

by DirkQc on Jul 25, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thats a reasonable concern

I hope the staff does their due diligence with any FA we sign.

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by Tiller56 on Jul 25, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just think we need 1 veteran on the team

who can produce and is going to be around for a while. I just don’t see the longevity in Moss. Holmes, I believe, can be here for 5 years. He is a burner, and will definitly command over-the-top help, thus freeing up the underneath for Hankerson and Kelly.

Moss does not command the over-the-top help that Holmes would.

JMO

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by Tiller56 on Jul 25, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really wouldn't mind Holmes and Moss

If we keep Kelly. I just think that we will finally see this year what he can really do. I truly hope he is completely healed.

by KonartistNupe on Jul 25, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

The new rules on IR would have helped Kelly last year

he would not have been lost for the entire season. I think Kelly will surprise this year.

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by Tiller56 on Jul 25, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you on Kelly. I hope he finally gets it.

I just wouldn’t go with Holmes; of course, 1 vet WR would help the team, but it’s not the most pressing need IMO.

by DirkQc on Jul 25, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

As much as I like Santana, gotta agree with Tiller

But it depends on how much he costs. An extra $5 mill could be worth the change (Holmes replace Moss). Both would be better, but again, the cost would be high – to the point of not being able to afford it. Maybe we can get Santana cheap?

by Donnio1234 on Jul 25, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blue collar guys get into as much trouble as other guys, especially fighting and driinking

I wouldn’t just drop a guy because of a few red flags – depends what they are, and what they say about a guy’s character and work ethic. If he’s robbing banks, that bad. One dui – not so much. Getting in fights at 2 am – maybe once (like Banks). Two or more – oh oh. A pattern of stupidity, laziness and unprofessionalism – don’t touch him. Any pattern of dumb stunts, especially if the guy is not a kid – don’t touch.

by Donnio1234 on Jul 25, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Multiple possessions of marijuana, disorderly conduct, domestic violence, incident in a club ...

That’s all Holmes has done wrong since entering the league. This is definitely not the case of a ‘’blue collar guy having a few red flags because he wasn’t a the right place at the right time’’.

Using your words:

A pattern of stupidity, laziness and unprofessionalism – don’t touch him. Any pattern of dumb stunts, especially if the guy is not a kid – don’t touch.

by DirkQc on Jul 25, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why can't we have both?

Moss is no longer a true number one receiver in this league. If we brought in Holmes I’m sure Moss would be thrilled. He would no longer be the only viable receiving threat on this roster. I also don’t think he would see it as hurting his pride Secondaries could no longer focus on him and would have to worry about holmes and hopefully Hankerson. Moss also put up his best numbers while working from the slot last last year. If we signed sign holmes it would help free him up inside The redskins under the new CBA have a ton of cap room that they have to spend so having both receivers is def possible. Now i don’t want to pay crazy money for the dude but for the right price he would be a hell of an addition to this team

by rainmanc345 on Jul 25, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why can’t we get Moss and Holmes? Sign Moss initially as a safety net then go after Holmes to a reasonable extent. We have a bunch of rookies but receivers typically take longer to adjust to the NFL and we can probably get Robinson & Paul on the practice squad if necessary. Obviously crippling ourselves in the future with the cap would be very bad, but this year the Skins MUST spend lots of money just to get to the cap floor. Again I don’t want the Skins to cripple themselves like they have done in the past but let’s not pretend we don’t need a massive improvement to the WR corp.

by Ultada on Jul 25, 2011 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

If Paul or Robinson go on the PS then they will certainly be scooped up by another team

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by Parks Smith on Jul 25, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t know that for a certain at all. 5th & 6th round players get sneaked onto practice squads all the time.

by Ultada on Jul 25, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not WRs, why do you think we had to sign guys like Taurus Jones and Mo Price last year?

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by Parks Smith on Jul 25, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe that Niles Paul

effectively means the end of Brandon Banks IMHO. I believe that Paul would give you more in the long run than Banks can. I also believe that unless Banks grows another 2 or 4 inches, he really won’t be that much of an asset to this team. I don’t think that Niles will be an automatic Practice Squad if he makes this team.

by KonartistNupe on Jul 25, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just think that

Paul will surprise some people. I also believe that the Terrence Austin experiment is done. I like our final receiving corps to look like this:

Moss
Hank
AA
Kelly
Paul
Some FA

by KonartistNupe on Jul 25, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree about Paul

I just like to see Moss substituted for a younger FA. IMO, Paul is a nice option for the slot, much like Boldin was used in Arizona.

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by Tiller56 on Jul 25, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see alot of Boldin in Paul

Aside from the fact that Boldin is a physical freak..

by KonartistNupe on Jul 25, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

and I have been saying since the draft that he could be lethal in the slot with his run-after-catch ability.

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by Tiller56 on Jul 25, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is a talent

I caught bits and pieces of the Huskers’ game with Texas on ESPN this weekend and everytime i turned to look at the screen, Paul had made some type of play. He will be a valuable asset to this team.

by KonartistNupe on Jul 25, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

and he may just be our new kick returner too

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by Tiller56 on Jul 25, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well said Ultada

Lets not act like the value of keeping Paul, Austin or Robinson off the practice squad after Shanny has evaluated them during a preseason is greater then adding a super bowl mvp and proven playmaker for the right price

by rainmanc345 on Jul 25, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say we go with 6 WR's

Hank
Paul
Robinson
Kelly
AA
FA(???)

Some of these guys like Paul and Robinson have ST value.

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by Tiller56 on Jul 25, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Moss is still talented.

Still effective.

On day one would be our most talented receiver by a wide margin.

Is a great leader, great work ethic, great guy.

Been a Redskin for a while now.

There is all the reason in the world to bring Moss back for a reasonable contract.

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by smutsboy1 on Jul 25, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree on the person/leader that Moss is

I just believe with a team deviod of talent, that we would be better in the long run by going with a different player at WR.

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by Tiller56 on Jul 25, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm so sick of the word talent...

Everyone in the NFL has talent and if you’re in the league then chances are you have talent. Its not if the team has talent its what the team does with the talent that it has. Is Danny Woodhead/Wes Welker all that talented and physically gifted or do the Pats just put them in the best situation to succeed and use their talents to their benefit. Are the WRs that constantly shuffle through Indy all that talented or are they put into a system to succeed? This is a league full of players drafted late and UDFAs that succeed on a very high level. Its not IF we have talent, but what we do with the talent we already have. Anthony Armstrong is a prime example, he’s probably the least “talented” WR we have on this roster, and probably the least talented starting WR in the NFL, but he succeeded on a high level last year b/c he’s a hard worker and we placed him in a situation where he could flourish. If we have a “non-talented” WR gaining nearly 900 yards in only 11 starts with “non-talented” players around him, then why do we have to overpay for “talented” players. Some of the most physically gifted/"talented players in the league fail year in and year out, b/c their skills are not utilized properly and they are not put in a position to succeed. We need to stop looking at individuals, their stats, how fast they run, etc. and find the best role players and teammates that can succeed in this system and in this city. Talent does not when football games in the NFL, b/c everyone has it.

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by Parks Smith on Jul 25, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Every one has talent in the NFL. But let me say there is a huge difference between Holmes and Anthony Armstrong. Our wide receiving corps as they stand now are prob one of the worst in the NFL. I think Moss is a hell of a player but is no longer a true number one. He did most of his damage in the slot last year and would greatly benefit from the addition of Holmes I think Armstrong is a tough ass dude but no way in hell does he deserve to be a number two receiver in this league. I think Hankerson is the only one of our drafted WR’s who can contribute right away on the offense. We run a ton of our offense with three wide out packages so its not like he will be losing exp with the addition of holmes. As for paul and robinson i hope they make the team( and i really like robinson, he reminds me of emmauel sanders for pitt and picked up his role at smu after being drafted) but to act like they both immediately have roster spots is extremely premature, especially with the difficult learning curve for NFL receivers . Yes you do need good role players and good teammates who can do well in a certain system. But more importantly you need playmakers, something which this redskin team lacks on many levels. Every successful NFL team has playmakers.You need someone to make that diving catch when its 3rd and long or a receiver who you know can get separation on secondary when you need a completetion. Holmes is huge playmaker,all you have to do is look at the super bowl a few years back. He even made some crazy clutch plays for the jets last year if i remember correctly. Look if it came down to choosing between moss and holmes i would stick with moss for sure, but hell if you can get holmes at the right price i am all in. Plus with the new CBA the skins have a lot of bank to spend

by rainmanc345 on Jul 25, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks man, that was my whole point to compare AA to Holmes, jesus...

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by Parks Smith on Jul 25, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, that is not my point.

No you argued to choose UDFA’s and role players over a big name guy like Holmes and to focus attention on developing drafted players such as paul. you also say it is up to a coach to put players in position to succeed. I think Shanny did this with guys like armstrong and keiland williams.Both of these guys were happy surprises ( guys a coach loves to have on his team, work hard and play solid roles ) but not top tier playmakers. (Also when i talk about talent i am talking about proven talent that translated to success on the field in the NFL) However i am arguing if you want a guranteed playmaker who can elevate our receiving corps you sign Holmes.The dude has a proven track record and you know what you are getting out of him.Lets not act like our receiving corps has not been a problem for the past decade. Maybe Robinson, paul, austin, etc, finds success like brandon marshall who was also a late round pick but most likely he does not. I think shanny rather bring in Holmes then rely on the upside of a bunch of late round draft picks in an area of play we have struggled in for a long time. With drafted WRs you never know what the hell you are going to get. You could get devin thomas or charles rodgers or you could end up with a Brandon Marshall. Given the cap room we have to spend in which we can bring in a playmaker and the weakness of our WRs he is not in a position to chance it.

by rainmanc345 on Jul 25, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Its not IF we have talent, but what we do with the talent we already have.

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by Parks Smith on Jul 25, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not campaigning for filling every roster spot via UDFAs at all.

Have you not seen what happens over the past 10 years when we bring in uber-talented, overpriced FAs?

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by Parks Smith on Jul 25, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we've all learned that lesson...

I think the goal is to upgrade positions of need of need on the o and d lines is necessary so we can get our QB in next years draft. Upgrading the receivers now will be very beneficial to whoever that QB is…

by ptowny on Jul 25, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good points. I remember Raymond Berry of the Colts -

not big or fast, but great. There’s talent in the sense of pure physical talent (speed, good hands), and there’s performance, like ability to run routes, get open (separation) – not really a matter of talent, granting some minimums – more instinct and work. Devin Thomas had talent, but just couldn’t get open. Brandon Lloyd the same, but for some reason learned to get open in Denver. That’s why a scout cannot look solely at talent, in the skill positions, especially. College apparently is not a perfect test, either. That’s one reason to look at vets – you can usually tell what they can do.

by Donnio1234 on Jul 25, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Santionio Holmes or the like does not help us in the long run.

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by smutsboy1 on Jul 25, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Moss does?

I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!

by Tiller56 on Jul 25, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a bridge to the next generation of WRs? As an affordable veteran with a great work ethic?

Yes yes and YES.

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by smutsboy1 on Jul 26, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love Moss

And would love for him to be on the team, however, for some reason, I think that I won’t be as upset as I would have last year if he is not resigned.

by KonartistNupe on Jul 25, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

One bong hit away from a one year suspension.

No thanks!

(Not that I have anything against bong hits. In fact, I enjoy them. But since I am self employed, I don’t have to worry about a bong hit costing me my job!)

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by Mr PotatoHead on Jul 25, 2011 12:00 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

you must be about my age.....

I think bong hits are passe, from what I can gather the young folks like to wrap their weed in that nasty cigar paper.

by MagicHat on Jul 25, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

usually only do the cigars for a larger group....

it uses way too much product. I prefer bongs though…i mean water pipes.

by jkitts84 on Jul 25, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once again...

10 mil per for Holmes who brings off the field baggage or 5 mil per for Moss. The correct answer is Moss. Thanks for playing.

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by Diesel44 on Jul 25, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

+1

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by Parks Smith on Jul 25, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the correct answer is Moss

Why wasn’t he signed the same day we signed OJ? Also, if Moss is the answer, why are we linked to so many FA WR’s?

I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!

by Tiller56 on Jul 25, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d take Moss over Holmes even if they cost the same.

I’m not really even sure I’d take Holmes over Armstrong, given the character issues with Holmes. Holmes and Armstrong were not far apart statistically last year (62 yd/g vs 58 yd/g). Armstrong is probably just as fast if not faster, and Armstrong is never going to be a distraction. Armstrong has never been suspended.

by hsoup on Jul 25, 2011 12:54 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

agree

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Jul 25, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

its a pipe dream and i’m sure a lot of people will disagree but i just want sidney rice. young and big, kelly is about the only one we have (hankerson has good size but for now he’s a 3 at best) but can’t stay on the field. i just see holmes as a more expensive alternative that would be a waste since we have noone to throw it to him. with rice he could grow with whatever we’re trying to get accomplished the next few years and hopefully by the time that happens his own injury problems will be a thing of the past. just get us some o-line help first!

by Sean McCash on Jul 25, 2011 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's Hope

The skins don’t spend all of their time and money in a bidding war for Santonio while all the decent offensive linemen get signed elsewhere. THAT would be a debacle.

by Kurtstack on Jul 25, 2011 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

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