Patriots Middle Linebacker Gary Guyton: Possible Trade Target for Redskins?
Upside. It is a word used quite frequently around these here parts. Usually, it was words like "former Pro Bowler", "waning" or "just-past-prime, yet still effective", that were used to describe our Redskins, but not anymore. This teams has taken on a new, younger image, and that image is loaded with POTENTIAL.
Keeping with this theme, I'd like to present a player who's upside is as high as anyone on our current roster, and he playes a position of need. He also happens to be a 4th year player, who will hit free agency next year, and at the ripe ole' age of 25, is most certainly entering his PRIME.
Gary Guyton(6' 3" 245) was an undrafted free agent of the New England Patriots in 2008. He played both the SAM and WILL at Georgia Tech, but what really stood out about this kid was his measurables. Guyton, at 245lbs, ran a 4.47 40, broad jumped 10' 6", and boasted a vertical of 40". Bill Belichick saw enough in this kid to sign him as an undrafted free agent, even after spending a 1st round pick on Jerod Mayo, a 6th round pick on Bo Ruud, and still having Teddy Bruschi. Belichick later admitted that the Patriots should have drafted Guyton over Ruud in the 6th.
Guyton was active for 16 games his rookie year, and saw two starts late in the season when Bruschi went down with an injury. Due to the retirement of Bruschi prior to the start of the 2009 season, Guyton was given the starting MLB position next to fellow second year player Mayo. He started all 16 games, posting 85 tackles, 1.5 sacks, and 4 passes defended.
In 2010, Guyton saw his playing time cut down with the emergence of rookie 2nd round pick Brandon Spikes. Still, he appeared in 16 games, with 8 starts, and totaled 63 tackles, 3 sacks, 7 passes defended, 2 interceptions(one of which he returned 59 yards for a TD), 1 forced fumble, and a fumble recovery(which he returned 35 yards for a TD).
Guyton signed a 2.1 million, two year contract extension at the end of the 2009 season. He will become a free agent in 2011.
The Patriots seem to have their middle LB's set for the future with Mayo and Spikes. Guyton proved he can play, and the Patriots aren't one to pay starter money to a backup. Belichick loves to wheel and deal, and he covets draft picks.
The Redskins have Fletcher(who could be nearing retirement) at MLB, but the other position remains open. Even with Fletcher playing at a high level, his future replacement will have to be groomed sooner rather than later. Guyton, who is know to be very good in pass coverage, is a relentless defender, who playes sideline to sideline, and can really lay the lumber.
Three potential options:
1) Trade our 4th round draft pick(from Oakland) to the Patriots for Guyton, and sign him to a contract extension.
2) The Patriots are weak at 3-4 OLB. If they balk at the 4th, we could offer them either Chris Wilson or Rob Jackson, along with the 4th for Guyton.
3) The patriots are in need of WR's. We could offer them the oft injured, and underachieving Malcolm Kelly for Guyton(and a late round pick if needed), and sign him to an extension.
Thoughts?
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I can tell you one thing about Guyton
I was watching a Pats game in 2009, and I saw this kid, and didn’t know a thing about him, but boy was he impressive. The kid can run, cover and hit. He would be an awesome addition to our MLB corps, and he could offer Riley another year to develop before steping in for Fletcher.
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Belichick loves to win
Getting a 4th in exchange for a reserve MLB, that was signed as an undrafted FA, and is due to hit free agency in 2012 would be a huge win for him, and his ego.
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I like this a lot more than the other trade scenarios you've put up lately
Guyton, or Spikes for that matter, would certainly help our interior LBing. I question the accuracy of his trade value, considering Belichick has spoken very highly of him. Folks act like Mayo and Spikes make Guyton unnecessary. While Mayo is a lock, Spikes has a ton of question marks…PEDs, eye gouging, etc. Also, I wouldn’t do it unless a contract extension were worked out in advance. Otherwise, we’re just getting a guy for one year in which we won’t realistically be able to compete for much of anything.
No, I agree
The extension has to be part of the trade scenerio.
On the value; I believe the 4th is fair compensation for a reserve MLB. They do have some MLB depth on the roster. Where they are currently weak is at OLB.
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Yes, on Guyton, Tiller gave a stronger sales pitch. Since he is basically proven, he is worth a 4th pick.
by Jefferson1935 on Jul 24, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly my thought process
I voted to give up a 4th for him. Still I want to see Henson and especially Riley succeed, but since neither are a guarantee, let’s go after someone like this that has proven himself.
Why not just sign him as a FA?
Option 2 & 3 will be solidified via free agency. Riley was drafted for a reason, sending a 4th for a reserve linebacker to start would just nullify nearly 3 draft choices IMO.
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To echo what I said yesterday, any trade we partake in where we receive a player back is a mistake.
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This is a trade I would think we would be benefitial for us due to the need for a MLB in the foreseeable future
Although I agree withthat comment for almost every other scenario
by the maroon bird on Jul 24, 2011 1:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But you're basically negating drafting Riley. I'd rather see him get the experience.
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Yes I agree
But we have to think of two MLB positions wIth Fletcher in one and a rotation of Riley and guyton until Fletcher retires which is in the near future
by the maroon bird on Jul 24, 2011 1:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, I mentioned this in my post
There is nothing wrong with having Fletcher and Guyton start, and get Riley some PT, so that next year, he can assume a starting role(this is if Fletcher retires)
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*yes that was my point
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by the maroon bird on Jul 24, 2011 1:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not at all
We need 2 viable MLBs. Riley (I hope) will be one, so that’s not wasting the draft pick.
I wouldn't mind any of the trade scenarios and I think he will be a good starting MLB somewhere
I hope that somewhere is for the redskins. By the way how do you guys think the draft will shake up with the current picks we have (obviously a qb for the 1st round) and I am not mean positions not necessarily certain players.
by the maroon bird on Jul 24, 2011 12:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think it will go
1.qb 2.Nt 3.cb (hoping oline but depend on fa) 4. Oline (will there be a second 4th rounder) beyond those picks it is unknown to me
by the maroon bird on Jul 24, 2011 1:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good question
I think it’s way to early to tell, but if I had to take a shot it would go:
RD 1 – QB(this should be as close to a definite as there is)
RD 2 – OL(A center would be ideal), CB, NT
RD 3 – DL or LB
RD 4 – OL
RD 4 – BPA
RD’s 5-7 – BPA
I’ll break it down this way. I think we need to come out of the 2012 draft with a QB, NT, C/G, C/G/T, LB and CB. These would be my positions of need, and the order in which they are drafted would depend on FA this year and in 2012.
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The Skins could repeat the 2011 draft (but not as extreme) and acquire more picks.
by Jefferson1935 on Jul 24, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be opposed to this plan especially if the Redskins end up in the low teens in terms of there draft position
I made a fanshot of this exercise so that we don’t fill this comment section up with this instead of with comments on trading for Guyton
by the maroon bird on Jul 24, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree
all dependent on FA, but I think that is a fair assessment
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I wouldn't mind that blueprint
And I agree that most selections after round 4 have to bpa.
by the maroon bird on Jul 24, 2011 1:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
This is the last year for Fletch.
His contract is up and he’ll be 37. He was a great FA signing (1 for 10 YRs) and we need a replacement in 2012. I see one viable potential starter on the roster in Riley and a bunch of backups for 2012. We’ll need to address this sooner than later. I wouldn’t trade a pick tho.
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I agree
I have a feeling that Fletch will hang em up after this season. It makes sense. The regime is moving in a new direction. Fletch will be able to see it take off, imbue some legacy and passion in some of our young players, and call it a career.
We can sign a guy
I hate trading picks…. I really do, so unless it’s somebody on the level of Malcolm Kelly or Fat Al, I don’t tend to lean towards acquiring someone for picks.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Jul 24, 2011 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
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i dont see it
alot of places i keep seeing people thinking we will picking outside the top ten next yearand i cant see how we wont be picking in the top 5 .. as a fan i hope im wrong but i would also love to be right would love to see us with a shot of ne of the two top QB next year AL OR LJ would be a blessing after years of what we have been dealing with…
An opinion from the other side
He’s our top coverage linebacker, so he would fit in well on passing downs. He does struggle against the run though, as he doesn’t possess the size or strength to do much more than negate an O-lineman, and thus struggles bit to get off blocks. Maybe he’d do better vs the run in a different style of 3-4, but I think he’s best suited to 4-3 OLB role. And while I think he could do play well enough next to Fletcher or a similarly experienced/talented LBer, he’s not a franchise ILB, and ideally not a starter. A good depth option and a great sub linebacker.
You can have him in a straight up swap for Orakpo…
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Thanks for the insight
I think I’ll pass on the Orakpo deal. Thats just makes one of the best teams in the NFL even better.
We are under serious re-build, and your team, as well as the Eagles are two we woiuld like to mold ourselves after.
Do you feel a 4th is realistic if a trade were to happen?
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A 4th sounds a little pricey. A little Cerrato-ish.
I’d offer a 5th and try and get something back as well. There’s a capable replacement in Dane Fletcher already on our roster, and he seems to have more upside than Guyton, so he could be stuck on the bench a bit more this season. It might be worth looking at, and Shanahan and Belichick do have an association of sorts…
I doubt he’s available, he did take over the starting role from Spikes when Spikes took his suspension late last year. So Belichick probably still sees him as the next guy up in case anything happens to Mayo or Spikes, and thus his experience is probably too valuable to lose (he’s the 2nd longest tenured ILB, equal with Mayo, and the 3rd or 4th most experienced LB).
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CALL UP CERRATO
Orakpo for Guyton? DEAL.
Aren’t we the smart ones? :) Patriots totally got ripped off on this one.
I wonder
why Bellichick was so adamant about him not being an OLB.
He was getting steamrolled on the outside.
Can’t do that in NE vs the run, he needs to set the edge against a T or TE and force the RB back to the inside and the help.
He’s still after the prototypical 3-4 OLB – the 6’4", 260 lb guy who runs a 4.6, with the length to keep off the tackles vs the run and the speed to get after the QB. We thought there was a chance he was looking at Aldon Smith since he seemed to be talking with Cleveland, but either the Browns wanted too much (likely, given the ransom they got from the Falcons) or SF took him before the deal was made.
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Guyton's a good player, but I firmly believe we shouldn't trade draft picks.
We could sign a FA instead, since there’s a lot of solid options on the market.

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