Oklahoma's Landry Jones: An Ideal Fit for the Redskins in 2012
by Tiller56 on Jul 21, 2011 9:57 AM EDT
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The 2011 season has yet to start, however it is never too early to look ahead at what could be in store for the future of the Washington Redskins.
I have been watching a lot of film recently on quarterbacks that could be possibilities for us in the 2012 draft. Thanks to my friends at Scout.com, I have had the chance to see high school film of some of the top prospects, and have been able to break that down from where they were, to where they are now. To me, rating a college QB has a lot to do with the maturation process one goes through from their junior year in high school, to present, so that is what I have put a lot of my foucus into.
I can tell you that Matt Barkly was one of the most polished QB's coming out of high school that I have seen in a while, and that talent has transfered positively to his career thus far at USC.
Who I have come away most impressed with is Landry Jones. Landry had every tool in high school, but the maturation process was what worried me the most. Boy, did he come out in a big way once he took the reigns over from Sam Bradford. Imagine having to follow in the footsteps of a player like that! Well, Jones has not only filled the shoes of the departed Bradford, he may actually be growing out of them.
From watching film over the last 4 years I can tell you this: Man is Landry Jones good!
The kid playes in one of the best programs in the country. He faces some of the best college athletes every day in practice. His coordinator is an offensive genius. He possesses all the attributes to make him great. He is, in my humble opinion, the best quarterback in college football.
Accuracy - Jones is an extremely accurate passer. He completed 58% of his passes in 2009, and jumped that total to 65% in 2010. What impresses me the most is his accuracy on the move. He is able to deliver a bullet on the run at the 15 yard deep out, or he can float a pass to a RB on the wheel route just over the outstretched arms of a defender. He does an excellent job leading his receiver to a spot on the field, and placing the ball between the belt and shoulder pads.
Arm Strength - Landry is a notch below elite when it comes to arm strength. He's not quite Ryan Mallett, but he is damn close. He can thread the needle on the skinny post and dig, and can also air it out 70 plus yards off of play action. He fits the ball into tight windows that many quarterbacks can't, and this combined with his accuracy, sets him above many others. He also adjusts arm angles without loosing any velocity on the football.
Decision Making - This is an area where Jones has come a long way. He no longer locks on to targets as he did in high school. He does an amazing job using his eyes to move the safety, and goes through his progressions with comfort and ease. One area that has impressed me is his ability to read coverages pre-snap, and decide what to take based on what the defense is giving him. In 2010, Jones boasted a 38-12 TD to INT ratio.
Mobility - Landry Jones is 6' 4" and 220 lbs. He is a slightly more mobile version than his predecessor Sam Bradford, who was about his size going into his junior season. Landry sets his feet well both in the pocket and on the run. He usually operates out of the shotgun formation, and tends to step back or roll out instead of stepping up in the pocket, but he does show the ability to step up to aviod the outside rush, while keeping his eyes downfield.
Leadership - I spoke to a member of Scout.com who got to know Landry pretty well coming out of high school, and who still keeps in touch with him to this day. He said Landry is a natural leader who leads by example, but is not afraid to get in a teamates face when he needs to. He tends to get a little too emotional at the beginning of games, but once he settles down, it is all business from there. From what I have read, Jones has become a very spiritual kid, who relies and believes in his god given abilities. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG0JmTsP9FI
I am excited about this year in college football. There are many prospects who I believe can help our beloved Redskins, but none more than Landry Jones. For a team without an identity, Jones could be the answer to our two-decade QB drought.
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This my friends is what Kool-Aid is all about
Start drinking now, before the pitcher is empty. There is still room on the Landry Jones in 2012 bandwagon, if your not aboard already.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
Jones has been the guy I've wanted
for months
I right with ya
This guy is so talented. I don’t know if you remember how high I was on Bradford 2 years ago, but I’m the same way about this kid.
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Been on board
I’m still creeped out that we’re going to agree nearly 100% on QBs this next year, though :-)
As would I.
Luck isn’t going to be attainable for us, though.
To me
Luck and Jones are 1 and 1A. Much better chance we can land Jones
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by Tiller56 on Jul 21, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, Jones will improve, in my opinion.
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by Stephen Beagrie on Jul 22, 2011 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully the Skins will get a talented and healthy QB. Jones already has a bad wheel on the left side.
by Jefferson1935 on Jul 23, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Can these guys in their early 20s be expected to be franchise QBs into their mid-30s. Chronic joints
don’t get better.
Incidentally, Willie Colon has been running since Noveember and “his recovery has been a smooth one.” http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/3912/willie-colon. If he has the mobility he might be OK for ZBS at a reasonable price.
by Jefferson1935 on Jul 23, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If he's that good
he’ll end up in Buffalo and we can start paying our respects to his NFL career.
I like Turtles!
Buffalo may be the team in the Luck sweepstakes
They should finish last in that division without a doubt. IDK what their non-division schedule looks like, but I can’t see them winning more than 5 games.
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Buffalo is up and coming, they’re going to turn some heads this season. I really like what Chan Gailey has been doing up there
"You're fucking out!"
Seriously?
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Sounds absolutely ridiculous, but watch. Them and Detroit are going to make some noise this year.
Here’s my Crazy Ken Prediction of the Day:
Lions take the NFC North
"You're fucking out!"
From Buffalo to Detroit...
that’s well over 200 miles of backpedaling.
QBs
If Jake Locker and Blaine Gabbert were top 10…it’s gonna be a circus for these guys.
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That's what people said about tackles in last year's draft.
After the run on tackles two years ago, including when Houston and Atlanta took tackles that graded out as third round picks in the first round, everyone thought that the next year’s improved tackle draft would see the same run, if not more radical. Didn’t happen.
Every draft is different. One year no WRs are taken in the first round, the next year 6 are taken. Who knows, and one of these three QBs may become unimpressive over this next year.
This is why the NFL draft is exciting to watch. Almost as exciting as a playoff game that the Skins aren’t paying in.
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He'll get picked WAY before it's the Redskins' turn to draft.
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you must have forgotten about the current state of our OLine, DLine, CB, and QB positions.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jul 21, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Only if we trade down!
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by Mr PotatoHead on Jul 21, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we are picking near the #10 spot
we are in a position to trade up for this guy. Realistically, I think we will be in the top 6 in 2012, and may have a shot at him.
Buffalo – Need a QB, and should be poor again.
Carolina – Should be bad, but won’t go the QB route again.
Broncos – Should be a little better, but certainly not playoff bound
Cinn – should be poor, but have some good you players to build around, including a QB
Seahawks – will be poor, but could win some games in that weak division. Need a QB.
Redskins – Could squeak out a few wins, but are definitly the inferior team in the NFC East.
Miami – Need a QB. Don’t expect much more than 6 wins.
Browns – Inferior talent on this team, but they seem to like McCoy at QB, and should win a few games with him.
Texans – Could be good, could be poor; they are the Texans.
Titans – Should go through some growing pains on offense with a new QB
Of these teams, 5 could need QB’s. Luck, Jones and Barkly are the top 3. I actually like our chances.
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Out of those I have Seahawks, Us, and Miami as teams that need a QB
Add zona and the vikings in there too and one of these teams will be crossed off with the addition of Kolb. I think Buffalo could go another year with Fitzpatrick also.
I have to agree, our chances at landing a top 3 QB are pretty good.
"You're fucking out!"
Buffalo, Seahawks, Miami, AZ, Skins need QB?
Should have very good chance to get one of the top three by moving up from no 20 (Say, 20 to 6). Could easily be better than that – a lot can happen.
I don't think the Broncos or Bills would pass up Luck
Thats why I gave 5 teams.
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Orton won't last too long in Denver
It’s only a matter of time before he’s shipped off somewhere else. I think they might be content to stick with Tebow while letting Quinn fight for the #2 spot
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by Lil_Dwilliams17 on Jul 21, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
No way you can handicap this this early on.
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For all you guys who would like a comparison:
Landry Jones is like Sam Bradford, with a little stronger arm, and a tad less accuracy.
Landry Jones is like Matt Ryan, with better mobility, a tad stronger arm, a little less pocket presence, and not quite as polished as Ryan was in college at descision making.
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I mentioned Landry briefly...
… in the article I wrote for the magazine that didn’t get published.
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Good analysis
But we may be jumping the gun here a bit. A lot can happen in a year. We’ll have an entire off-season to discuss the next great QB after the 2011 season is done, unless of course we are throwing the towel in on this season. I’ll wait to see how the Redskins do in free agency before looking out to 2012. It should all start this weekend. Get ready for the roller coaster of free agency.
On another note. I’m sure this will draw significant disgust from most, but I certainly wouldn’t be opposed to bringing in a veteran like Matt Hasselback to work with Beck and the young QB we draft next year. Hasselback still has enough in the tank to go another season or two and might be the perfect transition piece until we find our franchise QB.
I think Hasselback's arm might have enough
but not the rest of his body. Our o-line will improve this year but whoever is under center will still get banged up a bit until all the pieces are together. I’m more comfortable with Rex at the helm than bringing in a guy like Hasselback
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by Lil_Dwilliams17 on Jul 21, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
WELL IF WE STICK WITH REX OR BECK
We wont have to worry about not being in the top 5 of the 2012 draft .Id say if we do not pick up alot of help on the offense then we will go either 3-13 or 4-12 one of them two will happen which is fine with me if we can get ANDREW LUCK at QB . Our offense and defense still wont be that good because of the lockout . They need time to workout together which they need to learn the system and play book and with all that i look for them to not be that good as you think .After looking at who we play this year we would need a very good offense to at least win a few games and the way it looks now it looks like swiss cheese a whole lot of holes to be filled . I think we will not make that many splashes in FA s i believe we will wait like we did last year and not over pay for prema donnas that are not worth a plug nickle .All these guys are looking for a sucker team to over pay them and do like what FAT ALBERT did to us and be nothing but a flop like all the other guys we have overpaid and signed .We need to stay away and rebuild from the draft instead of overpaying for worthless people .Lets change the way we think and build from the draft and get young players in who wanna play and not over pay them for once .Dont keep doing the same mistakes we have been doing for the last 20 years and getting guys from FREE AGENCY that NEVER EVER PAN OUT FOR US .Use the draft and do it right for once , it might take a few years but at least we will be in better shape .
The first 6 teams we played a year ago were winless.
and we went 2-4. Don’t put to much stock in the shedule…of the Skins.
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DONNIO1234
We play arizona we might win , ST louis we will lose to , carolina we will lose , buff we will definitely lose to , san fran we will lose to , miamie we will lose to , seatle we might win , nyj we will lose to , new england we will lose , minnesota we will lose . We might win 2 games out of all them then we play 6 division games we might win 2 as well but this is it UNLESS we get alot of good guys in the free agent which i do not see us doing , but if we do pick up alot of free agents then i might change my mind but until the FA is done dont hold your breath .Plus i look for us to be in the top 5 of next years draft and then we might be going to a 8-8 year or a 10-6 year with a playoff birth for once.
by washingtonwin on Jul 21, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel for you man, I really do....
we are going to be better than last year, and I think significantly, Shanny has retooled the roster and brought in Character guys, there will be energy and people will buy into the system. We will still be in the playoff picture at week 10.
WELL MAGICHAT
I hope you are right on that i really do but we have been saying the same thing for 20 years now and 2 playoff appearance to go along with that . i do think we are a lil better but i still think we will 1) not sign many FA s 2) i think we will use beck to not win any games that much so we can get a real good draft picks for next year . if im wrong thats fine but i hope we do throw the games so we can get in the top 5 of the draft and get the QB we need to lead our team because after next years draft i think we will be in the playoffs after that if we do the above things i mentioned . I mean whats wrong with one more losing season huh ? we have been losing for 20 years whats wrong with one more for a great QB for once?
by washingtonwin on Jul 21, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
IDK how we can be better than last year
Defensively, I’ll agree, but offensively, in the words of my dear friend Lee Corso – “Not so fast my friend”.
QB – downgraded
RB – same, with some upside
WR – ???
TE – Same
LT – Trent should get better in year 2
LG – ???
C – Rabach should continue to get worse
RG – ????
RT – ???
My point is, there are too many question marks, a downgrade at the most important position on the football field, and a strike shortened offseason. How do we improve so much? Schedule?
Our defense will keep us in games, but I can’t see our offense(or our kicker)winning many for us.
I love the optimism though!
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I AGREE %100
Everything you said hit right on the nose , i hope i am wrong about the 3-13 or 4-12 mark but you really have to look at what we have and their is a lot of question marks to look at thats all i have basically been saying . P.S. i hope im not stepping on anyones toes im just looking at this skeptically i might be wrong but maybe im might be right who knows . We will see how it goes soon enough .
by washingtonwin on Jul 21, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You're missing a few key points
and you’re assuming we don’t get anyone in FA.
As for the QB situation, I’ve pointed out a lot of times on this site that Rex outplayed Donovan.
Donovan, for how bad he was at times last year
is a much better QB than Grossman.
I put the ??? because of FA. I don’t know who we are going to get. Thats why it is a question.
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By better, do you mean letting the ball hit the turf
instead of his back? Both are jerks are crap cast-offs from good teams. It’s just who do you want to laugh more… Bears or Feable fans? I would be happier with an undrafted rook at the helm than any of these turds.
Donovan is also still on our roster
and I think could still be our starting QB.
Not anymore he's not.
And not in this system. Donovan 5 years ago was better than Rex, but he is not a pro bowl caliber QB anymore.
Donovan threw 15 picks to 14 TDs. Rex threw 7 TDs to 4 picks. Rex had a higher QB rating and was throwing to backups. One pick was pretty questionable even. Give Rex some credit man, he’s not as terrible as you say.
Besides, Beck could end up being the starter anyway.
Three games at the end of the season do not reflect the history of Rex. Is he making better
decisions now then he did earlier in his career? We will get a chance to find out.
by Jefferson1935 on Jul 23, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I think most of the categories you marked ???
Blew chunks last year. There’s nowhere to go but up babeeey!
WR – ??? – Even though Armstrong surprised a lot of people, receiving was pretty flat (despite Moss being, well, Moss). Maybe the weak running game resulting in a lot of obvious passing 3rd downs was to blame. Or maybe it was just a matter of our O-line being Swiss cheese. We drafted a lot of talent at this position, and some people around here are saying Armstrong is in trouble. If that happens, color us all pleasantly surprised.
The O-line – ??? – This might be the most active area of our FA focus (along with NT and CB hopefully) But if we go the UDFA route, I wouldn’t expect to see him contribute much this year. In which case, suck we shall.
It kinda goes back to Ken’s “We Can’t Lose!” post. If we suck, we enter the QB lottery! If we stun the NFL with….well I can’t really finish that sentence. But you get the idea.
And I'm not knocking Armstrong
I’m just saying I think he exceeded peoples’ expectations, and if a few of our rookies exceed that, then that’s saying something.
Imagine if Carolina gets the #1 pick again in 2011.
They can’t possibly go QB AGAIN. There would most certainly be a trade, and Carolina would likely slid back a few spots, for a 1st in 2013. Would Miami do it for Luck, I bet they would. Would Buffalo do it? I doubt it. Would Shanny do it? I’d say yes, but only if we have surrounding pieces that we get in FA in 2011 and 2012. If not, we possible can sit tight, wait for our turn at #5, and select Jones.
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Jones might be the easiest for us to get
I expect he’s the 3rd QB drafted, anticipating Barkley comes out and is taken 2nd. I like Jones, this class is going to mirror 2004’s QB draft class in terms of talent and expectations.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Jul 21, 2011 1:36 PM EDT reply actions
Barkly, IMO, fits best into a west coast offense
so it will be interesting to see what teams are picking where in 2012.
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Among these 3 QB's
How deep will the 2012 QB class be? Just in case we aren’t able to grab one of these guys
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by Lil_Dwilliams17 on Jul 21, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
QB Ranking
Here is a report that I found on Bleacher that ranks the top 10 QB’s for next draft
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/771954-2012-nfl-draft-prospects-ranking-andrew-luck-and-the-top-10-quarterbacks#/articles/771954-2012-nfl-draft-prospects-ranking-andrew-luck-and-the-top-10-quarterbacks
Love USC football
And by that, I am a fan of Barkley…I think he has done well in his collegiate career and that he way transition well into the league…better than his USC predecessor (who will go unnamed)
and of course.....
Sanchez and Leinhart have done so well it’s very hard to deviate from that model, Notre Dane QB’s as well, after all they produced Montana and Theismann
I just don't think you can go off of school track record
Carson Palmer was on pace to be money before Casey Hampton destroyed all that was his mental stability.
Leinart has his own issues of immaturity and Sanchez is just… mediocre. He wasn’t that great in one year of starting but got blown up like every QB does as we get closer to the draft simply because there was a drop off after Stafford. Sanchez wasn’t worthy of the 5th pick.
Barkley was the first QB to start as a true freshman at SC and has done impressively well regarding the support around him. USCs defense has let his offense down repeatedly in the last 2 seasons and he’s stepped up each time to do what was in his power. There are no words of choke or questionable decision making/psyche when referring about Barkley.
I’m very high on Barkley and would prefer him to Luck. Luck does things that irritate me while Barkley continues to look polished. But I know I’m the minority.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Jul 21, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I just see Jimmy Clausen written all over Barkley
and I was/am not a Clausen fan.
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Gets me mildly aroused… not gonna lie..
by Dammit Cerrato... on Jul 21, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Typical Big 10 QB
Not to flashy, game manager type. Does nothing great, but a few things well. I’m aroused too. : )
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It will be a lot deeper than 2011
but the talent takes a significant hit after the top 3. The only other guy I like(and it’s not a huge like) is Foles. I do however think he’s wildely innconsistant. Maybe he’ll have a breakout season. I’ll be watching.
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yea but in 2011, the talent took a significant drop when
well…. before Cam Newton was picked…
by Dammit Cerrato... on Jul 21, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
in maybe the 2nd round, I would’ve been too
by Dammit Cerrato... on Jul 21, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice post Tiller56.
I don’t know as much as you about Jones, but he certainly fits the bill of a very good NFL QB prospect, based on what you wrote.
IF WE GO AFTER ANYONE WE SHOULD GO AFTER ANDREW LUCK
Andrew luck reminds me a lil of sam bradford and if i was coaching or dan synder i would throw every game to insure we get him , I mean look at it what is one more season of losing anyway ? We have been losing for over 20 years now what is one more year anyway to get one of the best QB out there ? thats why i think we wont do much in free agents and thats why they will maybe throw beck out there to lose anyway .Then we could get the #1 pick in first round and be the first round pick in every round then trade back like we did this year and turn some of those picks into more picks like we did this year. We could have another 12 or more picks next year , how sweet would that be ?
OK...
but YOU have to be the guy who has to tell the players that you want them to lose every week.
Let’s see if you can get out of that room alive.
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by Mr PotatoHead on Jul 21, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
"throw Beck out there to lose anyway"
I am absolutely confident that Shanahan doesn’t do anything “to lose”. He’s a winner, likes to win, hates losing.
I was going to say that he would never do anything to increase the chance of losing, but there could be one glaring example of doing just that: he must have known that switching to the 3-4 last year would hurt the defense that year, but did it, hoping for the best, looking to improvement as time went on – long term thinking.
by Donnio1234 on Jul 21, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
LOOK DONNIO1234
No one really wants to lose but to get the best QB in next years draft in ANDREW LUCK yea i would throw a few games 1) we are not going to be in the playoffs first of all 2) why not ensure yourself of getting your franchise QB so you do not have to give 2 first rounds to move up a few notches in hopes of getting your QB when you can get him by losing your games , im not saying purposely lose them but if you do not get anyone in the FA s and you use beck at QB and use the same offensive line you can assure our team of losing with this offense like it is and you can build in the draft from scratch rather paying for overpaid FA s thats all . Build our team from using the drafts not by signing overpaid FA s go younger not older .Do not pay for another fat albert as you can see what we got in him and every other FA s we have signed in the past look how those turned out hmmmmm?
by washingtonwin on Jul 21, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I a fool?!?!
I don’t see this group of guys throwing game to get a high draft pick. Listening to the interviews that have taken place…there are guys on this team that have legitimately bought in to what the coach is doing. The new high character guys that have been added to the roster (mostly team captains)…how can you ask these men to throw games and still respect you when it all said and done?!
I don’t see it…I honestly believe that we are in for a wild ride this season that may shock many!
YEAH THE SHOCK WILL BE
3-13 OR 4-12 watch in see.
+1 for being consistant in your message
But why do you feel this team is going to be worst than last year’s?
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I said the year before we were going to be 4-12 and i was right on the money , then last year i said we were going to be 6-10 and i was right on the money again . I just think that shanny really wants to draft players versa getting free agents i believe he wants youth on this team and start fresh thats all . See we have been getting free agents every year and over paying for them except for last year thank god , and on top of it we would give our draft picks away on top of that . Now since shanny has come in here he has been doing the right thing in drafting players not going after the over paid FA s . Dont get me wrong i do not want to lose anymore than you do but if it means losing one more year to get the best QB then so be it .
I totally agree with you
But in principle we have roughly the same team that we did last year…if there is less of a learning curve, how do you explain them getting worst?
There is no way we intentionally throw the season
I just think we lack talent in key areas to be any better than a .500 team(even with what most consider to be a weak schedule)
Now, that could change slightly in FA, but unless a big-time QB is brought in, we will still suffer against the good teams. We are just not at that level yet………………………and that is ok. I have faith that we will be there soon, and remain there for a while.
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I AGREE AGAIN WITH YOU ON THAT
Maybe i should have not said throw the games intentionally but if we stayed with the same offense we will ensure our record to be the same almost . Yea our defense might keep us in a game or two but like you said if we dont get any FA s or QB in here then we will insure ourselfs of having a bad record again which could help us to achieve our QB of the future without having to give up drafts to move up in the draft .
by washingtonwin on Jul 21, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
WELL ONE WE WILL BE USING A DIFFERENT QB
Theres alot of unsure players yet plus the lockout also and people not getting there playbooks and so on which leaves us in bad shape compared to the teams that did good last year .
HMMM
1. Every team in the league has some unsure players due to the lock-out…and quite a few of the leagues “sure” players are locked up now…LOL (Thanks Shanahan and Allen for bringing in some quality/level headed guys).
2. I think you lose me at the point of mentioning 3-13 or 4-12…but you say we will have roughly the same record, and then that we will hover around .500.
Outside of that, I am with you…even though I feel that the McNabb we got last year may be just as bad/good as the beck/Rex we get this year…they kinda cancel out in my mind.
Then too, I am just like all the other die-hard skins fans who year-after-year say, “This is our year…we are going to be better!” Maybe I should just wait and see the tell of the tape?!
I NEVER SAID WE WOULD BE AT A .500 MARK
Unless we get some proven good players that will play and are not out just for the money like fat albert was we might do a lil better but nowhere near a .500 mark by far .If we got like vince young we might flirt with .500 but even then i still doubt that by far as well . I still say we will be at 3-13 or 4-12 but it also depends if we do get any good FA s which i hope we dont because i would like to draft ANDREW LUCK next year without having to give up any draft picks.
by washingtonwin on Jul 21, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not that high on Jones at all and think he's a little overrated at this point.
There is certainly a lot of football left, so my opinion could change. I don’t think any comparison to Sam Bradford is all that fair, just b/c they both play(ed) at Oklahoma.
If you’d like to a look at Jones, then here his tape vs. Nebraska in the Big XII Championship: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgk_3H2Pb5c&feature=youtu.be
Take a watch, I’m curious what others think.
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I wouldn't mind seeing that whole game again.
Given how many Huskers we drafted.
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by Stephen Beagrie on Jul 22, 2011 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Tiller's mancrush is like those Lil Monsters that follow around Lady Ga Ga.
It’s disturbing.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
The guy is good though
and I hate Ga Ga, so I don’t know what monsters your talking about.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
This post is a basic replication of Tiller's Ryan Mallet posts about a year ago.
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by Parks Smith on Jul 21, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
3 things are going to throw a wrench
1) it’s possible we’ll get better at some positions through free agency (already have at safety)
2) john beck is going to be better than expected
3) year #2 of the 3-4 defense
With a few good bounces we’ll go 9-7 and miss out on one of the top QBs, and we’ll be talking about which veteran should be beck’s backup next year.
john beck is going to be better than expected
I don’t know if this is saying too much
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
Andrew Luck is still my #1
But Landry Jones is a close 2nd. I doubt we’ll get the #1 overall pick this year, which is what it’ll take to pull in Luck, but I think we’ve got a strong shot at Jones, and I am on this bandwagon Tiller, Landry Jones impresses me big time and I think this guy could be a great QB.
by BigOLinemen on Jul 21, 2011 6:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'll definitely be paying a lot of attention to Jones this season.
I didn’t know much about him until you and others expressed a lot of interest in him during pre-draft discussions. After reading up on him and watching what highlight footage I could find, I came away pretty impressed. I’ll want to see more of him before I form a final opinion, but I’ll definitely be making an effort to catch some Sooner games this season.
I mostly watch Pac-10 ball, so I feel like I’ve seen plenty of the other two top prospects. I’ve definitely got a Luck man-crush. Can’t really find anything not to like. His delivery is nontraditional and occasionally gets a bit low, but as funky as it looks, it’s the quickest release I’ve seen in a while. It’s hard to bet against elite physical tools AND elite mental tools. I really don’t like Barkley at this point. I’ll be watching him again this year, but I don’t expect to change my mind. He can show flashes, but still makes plenty of dumb throws. I just don’t think he has “IT.” As a fan of another Pac-10 team, I’ve never been particularly scared of Barkley. He always seems just as likely to throw a stupid pick as he does to make an amazing throw.
I think the math will work out pretty well for grabbing one of the top three QBs,
even if we have a pretty good season, and pick something like #20 (maybe trade up to 6-10). There are probably only going to be something like 5 or 6 teams that need a QB in the top 20 (a lot got one this year), and a number of those could have higher priorities. One problem – the math backfired this year, with 6 teams jumping on QBs we might have wanted. Losing both Locker and Ponder was bad luck.
Or good luck.
Depending on what you thought of those guys. I would’ve been pretty upset if we’d drafted either of those guys at our original first round position.
Loosing Ponder wasn't bad luck
We could have had him if we wanted
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
Bad luck that he didn't fall to our trade-back spot.
Bad luck that Minny realized his true potential and picked him early :)
For some reason
I don’t picture Luck as a redskins. Like if I had a choice, something about Jones just says “redskin” more to me than Luck.
Maybe its that luck seems more vanilla to me, and Jones seems more passionate. I don’t know.
They are both not very attractive men
Luck more so than Jones
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
I think of Luck as Peyton Manning and Jones as Tom Brady
Something about the fiery competitveness of Brady I find attractive in a prospect.
I don't mean in terms of how good they will be
But more of their intangibles, how they play, their character, etc
Saw some ESPN interview footage of Jones
He seems well grounded. He is big on volunteering for worthy causes. He seemingly has a good grasp on what it takes to be a leader. He came across as decently intelligent and the footage they selected of him onfield showed he had a good repertoire of throws with a strong, accurate arm.
I wouldn’t be disappointed to get him, but not at the expense of “throwing” games. Win…do everything you can to win now. Set the expectation that the Skins are winners and a team to be feared. Winning begats more winning and winners joining in. It builds true forward momentum. No more talk of “let’s just suck this year for the possibility of getting this person or that person down the road.” Fuck that. (Excuse my French) That’s a loser’s mentality.
HTTR
I agree
with the exception of things like trying to sign someone like vince young. Don’t sign anyone for a 1-2 year splash. Just skip them and that will put us in a better position next year. That’s why I’m content with Beck or Grossman
I think this is the fine line we as fans are walking this year
Do we want to be mildly competitive? If so, we need to bring in a stop-gap QB like a VY, Carson Palmer, or even (gasp), Matt Hass. If we clearly have our minds set on the future, we stick with Grossman/Beck, and hope for the best, knowing clearly well that neither will take us too far. I don’t think it’s throwing the season to get a higher draft pick, rather looking ahead realistically, and knowing neither a FA, or the current QB’s on our roster are the answer, and simply sucking it up for one more year of hell, before we march up that steep, yet promising hill.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
There are 2 must watch games for me in evaluating Landry.
September 17th at Florida State on national tv is one of them. The Seminoles are loaded as well defensively, and were embarrassed last year by Jones and Co, and they vow revenge. That is a huge game for Jones, both in his Heisman hunt, and the team’s bid for a national championship. The other must watch game is their bowl game at the end of the season.
Those 2 games will go a long way in determining where he gets slotted next draft in my honest opinion. Good bet all the scouts and evaluators will be watching and writing.
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