Possible Supplemental Draft Picks: OSU Trio
You knew this one was coming, all week there has been speculation on Terrelle Pryor, Mike Adams, and DeVier Posey bolting Ohio State for the possible NFL Supplemental Draft in July. As it always seems to develop with the Redskins, they was immediate linked speculation that Mike Shanahan could draft Buckeye QB Terrelle Pryor. Yesterday a reader (Phil from Fairfax), who I officially hate now, brought up Pryor on Dan Graziano's NFL East Blog:
If Mike Shanahan and the Redskins believe Pryor is their quarterback of the future, then maybe he's worth a mid-round supplemental pick. But next year's draft (again, assuming there is one) is QB-rich, and the Redskins look as if they might be in position to secure a high pick in that draft. So if they're looking at Pryor as a long-range quarterback prospect, they'll probably have to decide where he ranks among guys like Andrew Luck, Landry Jones and Matt Barkley.
Then Graziano went on to try to sell Pryor as a possible fit for the Skins as a WR. I'm sure Pryor would be great for an Eastern Motors commercial, but can we please keep this guy and any speculation about him coming to DC as far away as possible. I'm not even sure why a Skins fan would even ask about Pryor and possible have the idea manifest throughout the district. Maybe Phil from Fairfax is a Cowboys fan, a Buckeyes fan, or maybe LJP.
As ENsDad27 pointed out earlier this week, OT Mike Adams could be worth a flyer in the supplemental draft. He should be among the top tackle prospects in next April's draft.
DeVier Posey, is a very interesting prospect in my mind for the supplemental draft. He would likely be a 2nd or 3rd round pick in the April draft but you could probably get him in the supplemental for a 5th, 6th, or 7th. He's a big possession receiver and similar to Leonard Hankerson in a number of ways. But at this point, would bringing another rookie WR into camp be overkill? And would it essentially negate one of our picks from this past April?
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Look at the common theme among all of our draft choices this year,
Then look at Pryor. Not a single doubt in my mind that when he comes to DC, it will be in someone else’s jersey.
What the shit
I hope/think you're right.
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totally agree
Redskins passing on Marvin Austin is evidence of that.
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Draft Pryor, sign VY. They could mentor eachother.
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by Parks Smith on Jun 3, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey,
algebra tells us that a negative plus a negative equals a…. wait a second… ummm… what was I saying again?
by CarverM on Jun 3, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I MIGHT TAKE A CHANCE ON VY
He might be worth looking at ( vince young) and if they did get him then our record might be alot better as far as winning games i think but pryor is a work in progress and has thug written all over him . Id stay away from him period to much bagage .
by washingtonwin on Jun 3, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
So you go on this "Thug" rant about character players then try to justify taking VY?
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MAYBE IM WRONG
But what has vy done other than argue with the coach . Did he accept gifts? or money? if im wrong then i will agree with you but i dont think he has .
by washingtonwin on Jun 3, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
You don remember when VY went missing and his family had to call Jeff Fisher b/c they thought he was going to commit suicide?
Or when he was arrested and charged with assault in a strip club last year?
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T.O. WAS IN DALLAS WHEN HE TRIED OR PRETENDED TO OVERDOSE I BELIEVE
I dont think vince young tried that but i do know T.O. did .
by washingtonwin on Jun 3, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right, but there were two seperate incidents.
1) TO overdose thing
2) VY Suicide watch, where he was hurt “inside and out”
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ALL IM SAYING
VY looks to me that he needs a lil growing up to do but he seems to be a decent person , he has been in the nfl for a few years and has not caused no way near the headache as T.O. , OR PAC MAN , DEZ BRYANT, plus vy has proven he can win games if he puts his mind to it thats the only guy if any i would maybe give a shot at coming here to washington and playing . If VY comes here and plays we will win maybe 7 games this year and the win total will go up next year to maybe 9 or 10 depending on our recievers . but i would put a short leash on him if we brought him in period .
by washingtonwin on Jun 3, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn't you say the exact same things about Pryor?
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Can't believe I'm saying this
i don’t really think Dez belongs in this same category…yet. Since turning pro, there have been 2 supposed incidents. He blew up on the sideline when he was being shut out. Not the best reaction, but he was at least passionate about being involved. He got lippy with Paul Blart after his friend was told to pull his pants up or leave the mall.
I don’t really take Bryant’s side on either of those, but it’s not the same as the others mentioned.
not even close to being a comparison :)
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I was letting it slide since Dez is a Cowboy, haha.
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Well now I feel dirty
thanks for the kind words. Please know that Dallas will never be (Jim) America’s team.
Okay…now shower.
by Jim America on Jun 3, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
haha +1
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LOL
well played
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I completely agree. The whole thing at OSU was semi-out there in my mind also.
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I don't know, I think there were multiple reasons
Jenkins is more versatile along the d-line than Austin, and more of that ‘eat up blocks’ mentality, Austin is built more like Hanyesworth as a pure penetrator. Could Austin do it? sure, but it isn’t in his wheelhouse.
Also just in general I think the Redskins looked at seniors because they knew there’d be some type of lockout. All the guys they took have a ton of reps, which can help offset some of the lost time. Austin especially is hurt by that b/c he missed the entire year and only participated in the East/West Shrine game. That is one week of football in the last year and with a short training camp that is going to make it harder to succeed.
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I am a life long Ohio State fan
we do not want Pryor….. He’s been a headache since he arrived in Columbus and while the expectations we placed on him were unfair (Heisman, National Championship, etc.) he didn’t ever seem up to the challenge of doing more than going thru the motions. He’s not the leader that Troy Smith, Craig Krenzel, or even Todd Boeckman were, and though he may be an athletic freak, so was JaMarcus Russell.
Now the idiot is showing up to team meetings in sports cars after Tress got canned and he’s under investigation FOR his cars…. Do we want that guy..?
Posey, maybe but he’s not going to be anything better than a mediocre 2. Mike Adams, for all his"talent" didn’t start til his Junior year cuz of his attitude and approach. Boom Herron is actually pretty good but I don’t think he has the one cut ability for this scheme.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Jun 3, 2011 10:16 AM EDT reply actions
THUG , THUG, THUG, THUG, THUG,THUG,
We need to get players not wannabe thugs in here to lead our team . This is not how you build a championship team by drafting trouble makers ( randy moss, terrell owens , pac-man jones, dez bryant ) should i go on and on . This is what we need not to do and thats draft players that has character issues . So stay away from these idiots and build this team right for once , shanny seems to be on the right pace about how to build this team . I mean look at what shanny had to work with when he took over this team ? it was a work in progress from the get go so lets not throw a monkey wrench in the works by drafting thugs because im tired of us losing every year and its time we start building this team to be champions again like we were in the 80s .
Pryor has done some questionable/dumb things but he's certainly not a thug.
Really unfair term to use. Neither is Terrell Owens.
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CMON YOU DEFENDING T.O.
Why you think he can not land with teams ? they are tired of his bull _ $%&# you of all people should know that , and pryer is no different than cam as well . All these hard working atheletes dont try and pull off special privilages like them 2 guys and its unfair to all the hard working atheletes the way these 2 thugs basicaly cheated by recieving gifts and things . in my opinion they both should have been in alot of trouble period.
by washingtonwin on Jun 3, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Seems like he lands with teams just fine, he's never out of work.
Do you know what a thug is?
a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer.
TO may be a bad teammate but how does he fit that description? He may have big mouth, but he’s never done anything legally wrong or ever had intent to harm anyone. Character concerns do not equal THUG. It’s not a fair term to use, especially regarding TO and Pryor at this point.
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He can't land with teams because he is old
he landed with teams just fine when he could play
Aim for the head baby Jesus
Completely agree
both TO and TP (how appropriate):
Idiotic? Yes
Immature? Definitely
Egotistical? Duh
Selfish? Yes, unless you were somehow swayed by TO crying for Romo. “That’s my quarterback.”
Thug? Child please. Both of them look like silver spoon wimps in a room full of thugs.
Separate note…I remain convinced that TO is in the closet. Lashing out about Garcia being gay…contrived reality show with actresses playing romantic possibilities. Shredded abs. All the signs are there. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
OK SORRY I MENY CANCER THEN
Another albert haynesworth in the making .
SO PARKS MY POINT IS DO YOU WANT MORE CANCER ON OUR TEAM?
Or do you wanna build this team right without all the distractions ? how about take a page out from the NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS BOOK and draft good productive players instead of these fat albert , or pac man jones , or dez bryants terrell owens , ? see this is what we need to not do and thats bring players in with a history of bad behavior . Is that what you want for our team ? or do you wanna build up with good honest players that will work together versa working against ?
Did you not read the whole post or anything I've been saying for the past year?
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Pretty clear he agrees with you
Just took exception to your inaccurate, ignorant use of the word thug.
haha he does it all the time, I don't think he reads anything here, just the comments.
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Isn't Parks supposed to be an editor?
You knew this one coming, all week there has been speculation on Terrelle Pryor, Mike Adams, and DeVier Posey bolting Ohio State for the possible NFL Supplemental Draft in July.by Parks Smith on Jun 3, 2011 9:21 AM EDT
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Parks
First of all, I hope you are being sarcastic about “hating” Phil from Fairfax. We all post speculative ideas to stir thoughts amongst each other. It happens with the best and worst players. You yourself spend a LOT of time doing that. (Thanks, by the way) I don’t always agree with your assessments, but it hasn’t led me to even closely hate you.
Secondly, I would pass on all 3 OSU players. No more WRs need to be added this year. Let’s see what we’ve got currently before we look elsewhere. Pryor seems to have too many question marks and not enough success as a QB. Totally skip him as a WR, too. Adams, to me, hasn’t had enough onfield experience, has too much of an injury history, and character questions to boot. Maybe he’ll transition to the NFL well, but I wouldn’t take the gamble.
Yea it was completely in jest, always hard to get across on the internet, haha.
This place wouldn’t be fun if we couldn’t kick ideas around.
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I'm not advocating we take Pryor, but anyone who thought that Cam Newton was a good idea has to at least acknowledge Pryor
I know people will say there’s a difference, but really I don’t think there is. Newton was considered a future 4th round pick when he started last year at Auburn. Pryor has seen his stock drop, but he’s gotten better every year and has actually played in a Pro Style system (me thinks he can come up with a better answer to Gruden’s play call question).
Now I don’t really want Pryor, but I don’t think anyone should right this kid off completely. A lot of 18-21 year old kids do some stupid shit. I mean last year we had the revelation about Reggie Bush, we saw all the UNC players get suspended and of course the issue with Newton. Are we now going to judge Pryor as so morally corrupt, when we just gave Newton a top pick selection and presumably $70 million? All of those UNC kids did pretty well in the draft as well, so we can’t say they were hurt outright by these issues.
Now overall I think Pryor has some serious growing up (like most of these guys) to do, but I would not for a second believe that he can’t make it based on talent. He would need years to sit, and the maturity and confidence to lead, but the potential is there. I hope he gets his life in order and finds success at the next level (just not with another East team), as it is always a shame to see talent like that go to waste.
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by Steve Shoup on Jun 3, 2011 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Stevo- "by anyone who thought that Cam Newton was a good idea has to at least acknowledge Pryor"
You mean Tiller, right?
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by Diesel44 on Jun 3, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually I really think he can be a QB at the next level
I just think he needs to sit for a couple of years and develop. People said the same thing about Newton having move to WR and at the Newton had zero background. Pryor has at least been a QB for more than 10 minutes.
The way I see it is the only thing holding Pryor back is himself. He needs to reshape his work effort and learn the small things. But physically he has what it takes.
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Pryor has zero chance of being a starting NFL QB(you can put me on record as saying this)
some stupid team may think they can mold him, but it will all be in vain. He has terrible throwing mechanics, poor footwork, and horrible decision making skills. If you thik Vince Young throws bad, then you’ll be horrified by Pryor. His best shot is at WR. 6-5 230+ with 4.4 speed and great leaping ability.
FWIW, Pryor should have stuck with basketball. He could be in the NBA now.
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but wait Newton can??
Newton could be a slightly better thrower, but it isn’t as though Newton is Manning/Brady and Pryor is Grossman.
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Newton and Pryor shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence
Newton did his magic in 1 year of D1 football. Pryor has had 3 years, and has shown very little.
It’s really not worth arguing. If you believe Pryor is near Newton as a QB…………….then so be it
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I think both would/will suck as NFL QBs.
Just trying to get this on record as much as I possibly can before Cam actually starts playing.
by Reedskin on Jun 4, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Totally disagree
In my opinion, Cam Newton will be somewhere between average to possibly Hall of Fame. I really think that he is a special talent & will be a success in the NFL. I don’t think that Pryor will make it as a QB in the NFL, he is extremely talented physically which makes him above average in college but will not translate to the Pros.
Wow, average to HOF...
Way to go out on a ledge. I do think that Newton is an NFL QB while Pryor isn’t.
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by Diesel44 on Jun 5, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha I was thinking the same thing.
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why will it translate for Newton?? They are basically carbon copy QB's
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by Steve Shoup on Jun 5, 2011 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pryor had really good numbers last year and didn't play in a gimmick offense that played to his abilities
I’d personally think they are a lot closer than you think. You still haven’t said why Newton is superior to Pryor? It surely can’t be numbers since their YPC and Completion % were equal. Newton had more yards per attempt, but a lot of that was the product of the offense (and the offensive talent)
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Have you seen the Ohio St offense?
It is so simplified. It’s because Pryor’s innability to read defenses. He has 1 primary read, then it’s tck and run. How many times have you seen him throw deep into double coverage, just to have his receiver come down with an amazing catch? I can tell you, it’s more times than I can count.
His dep ball hangs. His dep out is off target. His short to intermediate passing is the only thing thats half-way descent.
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Have you not heard people, including Cam Newton himself, talk about how simple Auburn's offense is?
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I wasn't talking about Newton
my comment was in response to Steveo’s comment about Pryor not playing in a gimmicky offense. I totally agree that the auburn offense was built for Cam.
Now, Ohio St’s offense isn’t as simplified as Auburns, but it is certainly dummied down for Pryor.
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WHAT??
How can you knock Pryor for not being able to go through progressions? That is Newton to a T. Newton’s entire offensive system is based on a single read and then to run the ball. That is why he had almost twice as many carries.
I’m not trying to sit here and say Pryor is Andrew Luck, all i’m saying is he was in a system that didn’t fully appreciate his skill set. Where as Newton was given the keys to an offense that fit him perfectly.
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I can knock Pryor because were talking about HIM
You said: “Pryor had really good numbers last year and didn’t play in a gimmick offense that played to his abilities”
All I did was challenge that statement. I never said anything about Auburn’s offense.
My response was 100% correct. Ohio St certainly tailors their offense to Pryor’s skills(or lack there of).
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Not exactly
Ohio State might tweak their offense to quarterbacks like Troy Smith and Terrell Pryor, but it isn’t tailor made for them like Auburn’s is for Newton (now they didn’t specifically change much for Newton, but rather he just fits the system).
Anyway you cut it Pryor is in a harder offense, one that doesn’t use picture boards to send in all their plays. If Pryor was in the Auburn offense (which is the dream job) or a similar system then you could maybe honestly say that Newton is superior, but he’s not.
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Anyway you cut it
Newton is superior. I could care less what offense they run. If someone runs an offense as good as Newton ran Auburn’s, they get the thumbs up in my book.
If you want to compare the intelligence of the two players, well then thats a whole different discussion.
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This sentenceis just plain rediculous
Newton had more yards per attempt, but a lot of that was the product of the offense (and the offensive talent)
If you know anthing about either of these teams, you’ll know that Ohio St had far better offensive talent last year than Auburn. It wasn’t even close. Also, Ohio St runs more of a pro style offense than Auburn.
As for Newton being superior to Pryor, I shouldn’t have to say anything. I will simply let thier play on the field speak for itself.
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far better offensive talent??
So which is it?? Did Ohio State have more talent and Auburn and the rest of the SEC is worse than the perception, or did Auburn actually have more offensive talent because they are a more talented all-around team??
Now I think you can maybe have an argument that Ohio State’s offense is better, but it’s by no means a lock, and things like "far better’ and ‘it wasn’t even close’ aren’t in the ballpark when describing the two offenses.
While Ohio State had good RB’s, Auburn’s were simply better Michael Dyer was either the 1st or 2nd best RB recruit last year, and looks to be well on his way to a 1st round and even top 15 selection in two years. Behind him both Fannin and McCalab were pretty highly recruited and have a good bit of talent. Blake and Adams might be slightly worse than Sanzenbacher and Posey, but it is pretty close.
The Offensive line is the real difference, both were good units but Ohio State has some legit stars, Adams and Brewster. Auburn didn’t have that, but their guys produced at an extremely high level.
Maybe I just made the case that Ohio State had more talent, but really it’s an unfair comparison. The Ohio state guys have been more well known b/c they have been around longer and they have been at the top of the college football pile for a while now. Auburn had a couple of down years as Chizik and Malzahn have built this team back up.
As for the Pryor vs. Newton debate letting their play on the field speak for itself isn’t the best argument. Taking the QB with more starting experience, in a tougher offense who has won a ton of games in his career seems like a no-brainer. Newton had an elite year last year, but he was in an offense tailor made for him. Pryor was in an offense that was tailor made for a Jake Locker or Andrew Luck, yet still came close to matching Newton’s numbers…
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Bingo!
The Offensive line is the real difference, both were good units but Ohio State has some legit stars, Adams and Brewster. Auburn didn’t have that, but their guys produced at an extremely high level.
Then factr in the WR’s, and you have a significantly better offense built around Pryor, than that that surrounded Newton.
It’s really not even close.
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despite the fact that Auburn has elite running backs??
and their receivers are essentially equal, except Auburn doesn’t pass as much….The only thing Ohio State wins on is their offensive line, but this isn’t like comparing the Jets line to the Redskins line. Both had very good lines the Buckeyes are just better.
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Totally ridiculous & completely false
Newton had more yards per attempt, but a lot of that was the product of the offense (and the offensive talent)
Newton had no talent on the offensive side of the ball & yet he was the highest rated passer in D-1 football last year. He put that team on his back & carried them to a NC, just as he did at the Juco level with Blinn. Who do you think was leading that comeback against Alabama for the SEC championship?? Pryor played in an inferior conference, surrounded by some very good weapons & won less games. As far as their completion percentage, Newtons was around 65 percent which is excellent on any level. I am not looking to get into another Cam Newton argument, that ship has sailed, but Tiller is not the only one who thinks that he will be a success in the NFL.
umm okay
so because Newton had a comeback he is guaranteed to be a successful NFL quarterback despite the fact that nothing he did in college translates??
And is it really possible to bring up Newton’s championship run at Blinn as a positive, but try to knock Pryor’s time at Ohio St. as an ‘inferior conference’? The Big Ten might not have been as good as the SEC but it is arguably just below it. The Buckeyes missed Mich. St. last year but they did tangle with Purdue, Iowa, Illinios and Wisconsin which all had a 1st round D-linemen drafted and had a quite a few other defenders picked as well. They also faced Miami and Arkansas giving them a pretty good competition level for Pryor and company.
Pryor had the exact same completion percentage as Newton so I don’t understand your point there??
Also i never inferred that Tiller was the only Newton fan…in fact multiple times I’ve said the opposite so I don’t understand that either.
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Lets try & cut out the spin
1 – Beating Alabama 28-27 after being down 24-0 does not “gaurantee” success in the NFL (I never said it did) but it does show extraordinary leadership ability.
2 – The championship at Blinn was not a reflection of the competition, but another indication of winning at any level.
3 – The Big Ten is inferior to the SEC, especially their secondaries. Miami is not really helping your case either, they lost to the Cavaliers last season, hardly a defensive juggernaut.
4 – I said 65 percent was a pretty good completion percentage at any level & it is, Pryor also having the same is irrelevant.
5 – This argument is going no where, I respect your opinions on many things you post here & disagree with others. Cam Newton’s success in the NFL will be determined on the field in the next few years, not the pages of Hogs Haven
okay wow...I appreciate you trying to cut out the spin but I think you are missing a number of points
-What do championship’s prove? Only one team each year win’s the championship, and usually great team’s are just as important as great QB’s. Matt Leinart and Vince Young won Championships and were considered 1st round talents it really hasn’t seem to translate to the NFL.
Anyway you cut it Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers, and Matt Ryan are the best QB’s in the league and they had a combined zero college championships. Tom Brady had one, but that is when he was a backup to Brian Griese.
-Yes the Big Ten might be inferior, but it’s not night and day. Also Miami was a defensive powerhouse they had like 3 CB’s taken, and one of the best young safties in the game who is being compared quite favorably to Sean Taylor. They also had multiple other talented defensive players. (As for the Cavs, that is a good young team, they nearly beat USC as well). The Big Ten does have some secondary talent as well as both Wisconsin and Iowa had particularly strong secondaries.
-I never knocked Newton’s completion percentage all I ever said was that Pryor had the same and he was in a tougher system. When you defended the 65% i said again it was the same, so I don’t know how it is irrelevant.
-I agree that Newton’s talent won’t be decided on Hogs Haven, but rather on what he has done, will do and what skill set he brings to the table.
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haha
Tiller might have been the most vocal, but there were quite a few fans out there that wanted him when it looked like he might be on the board at 10.
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You would trade our top 6 pick next for the 2011 #1 overall pick?
That’s impossible
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Yeah, I know
I’m just saying that I also liked Cam Newton as a QB prospect for the Skins, & fwiw I think we will be a .500 team next year
Pryor
Why not, might be a real good idea at both positions like the QB from the Jets or Vikings….
If the NFL adopts a "spread" with the read-option
Then Pryor woul be an ideal QB to have. I don’t see this happening any time soon.
Point is, Pryor is not a pro-style passer
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YES to Mike Adams, NO to Pryor and Posey
Adams: I’d offer the extra 4th we got for QB Campbell!
Posey: We spent 3 Draft picks on WRs… lets not spend 4. Bring in Moss or any other proven WR. We have enough developmental WRs.
Pryor: There are better QB prospects for next year. There are better QBs available in FA (whenever it starts). Redskins passed on QB 12 times… there must be a plan that doesn’t involve drafting a QB.
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pass on pryor he is not even projected to be a qb at the nfl level,if the skins are going to take a chance on a player why not janoris jenkins cb out of florida,if he had played this upcoming season he could have been 2012’s patrick peterson,he does have off the field issues but if you can get a corner who would have possibly been the top corner in 2012 for maybe a mid round pick this year why not, i like poset as well and if floyd from notre dame chooses to come out i would definitly take a shot at him he was projected as the 3rd reciever hend green and jones had he come out this year he may choose to stay in school but if he doesnt him and hankerson are the duo of the future

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