Are the Skins Done Acquiring RBs?
Mike Shanahan has been a wizard in regards to finding "diamond in the rough" running backs over the year. The latest evidence of that was finding production our of guys like Ryan Torain and Keiland Williams this past season. Both running backs are set to be back this preseason along with draft picks Roy Helu and Evan Royster. Furthermore, stopgaps James Davis, Andre Brown, Shawnbrey McNeal, and Chad Simpson are still on the roster. But will the Redskins add more running backs via free agency once deals are permitted to be made? Pro Football Weekly's Eric Edholm thinks so:
But other options include sixth-year free agents such as Joseph Addai and Darren Sproles, two backs with divergent skills. Addai is like a younger Clinton Portis, perhaps with less power and short-yardage ability. Sproles is a cat-quick scatback; he burned the Broncos badly twice in 2008 (including in Shanahan's final game as head coach there), so there is some familiarity.
What Addai and Sproles both have in common is that they each come from pass-heavy schemes in Indianapolis and San Diego where they both were asked to pass protect heavily. Addai is more of a workhorse back, although Sproles offers the additional game-breaking ability as both a punt and kick returner.
Most Redskins fans are probably cringe at the thought of adding veteran running backs after last year's debacle with Larry Johnson and Willie Parker. But, the Redskins still are missing a change of pace, "homerun" back and the "Lightning Bug" Darren Sproles could be perfect for that role, given the right price.
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If it's possible to snatch up DeAngelo Williams
I think he’d be a nice fit in our scheme. Presuming Carolina doesn’t re-sign him.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Jun 22, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions
Sproles is pretty much the only vet I would consider
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as long as he's not asking too much himself!
in all honesty I’d like to believe we have our change of pace guy in Helu, I see that burst that we’ve been lacking from a back since maybe Portis’ first 2 seasons with us. Not saying Torain is our No. 1 cuz he won’t hold up, so are you predicting Sproles be that change up back to Helu?
Williams is just that proven No. 1 guy and also has that one cut ability, so while the price tag might not be ideal, if they pursued him I would understand why. But Shanahan doesn’t have the reputation of going after big name free agents at skill positions anyways, so we might not see them go after a Sidney Rice, Williams or Plax. (which in all honesty I would prefer).
It needs to be priority #1 to go after NT and RT free agents first, so not signing a vet RB like Sproles would be ok with me. It just depends on their approach of making a splash or not.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Jun 22, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't need another RB
RB is one of the positions I am NOT worried about in free agency. We have a full stable of young guys with lots of potential. Torrain played quite well when healthy. Helu and Royster should both be good fits for Shanahan’s zone blocking running scheme. Royster is also a RB that does not shy away from backfield blocking. My gut feeling is that these are the three guys that will make the Redskins’ roster this year.
That being said, I think that K. Williams played well enough last year to deserve a good shot in an open competition. I also think that Davis looks like a good fit for the system, and should also be given a good look. Maybe keep Simpson arond for training camp, because he spent most of last year here learning the offense.
McNeal and Brown can be ditched to create more roster space to sign free agents at areas of greater need, like O-line NT, CB, and ILB.
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We did enough in the draft for skill positions,
If we are gonna make moves in free agency, I say o-line, and nose tackle. Sprinkle in maybe a CB. But break the bank FOR NO ONE!!
What the shit
In the new CBA teams may be required to spend a minimum of $90 million on the roster.
by Jefferson1935 on Jun 22, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
it will probably require more than that
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actually the minimum will be much higher, they are saying nearly 100% so I'm guessing it is north of 95% when it gets agreed to
as for what the cap will be it is still hard to predict, b/c the Players are saying revenue is $8.7 billion, and the league is saying $9.4 billion. Also the exact amounts for the increases in benefits is unclear as well. I think now the floor is about $120-125 million, but it could end up being around $140.
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by Steve Shoup on Jun 23, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
i like sproles for the right price
dont forget before he was franchised last year the skins were rumored to be targeting him last off season.yes we have alot of young backs but we still have not adressed the need for a change of pace back, helu has speed but is not shifty and is not as much of a recieving threat out of the backfield as sporoles.williams is the best 3rd down back we have and with him only being a second year player and the o-line and qb position in flux why not add a vet who is good in pass protection it was obvious that was missed when portis was out and now he is gone.when you have a stable of young backs none of whom is of superstar caliber yet why not add a vet,it worked for the jets and lt kansas city with thomas jones,sproles and addai are not parker and johnson they are still relatively young and can still produce at a high level.i’m higher on sproles than i am addai based on the health factor,and you wont have to over pay sproles like you would have to do with deangelo williams.and out of the veteran rbs available sproles seems to be the most durable,addai,williams and ronnie brown all have injury issues.i would not be opposed to bringing in a rb/fb such as vontae leach(houston) or macclain from baltimore,plus leach knows kyl’s system and both are younger options than sellers and more proven than evans
premier free agent RBs never come for the right price.
Ever.
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Shanahan is never done getting running backs
I think Torain, Williams, Helu, and Royster will have a pretty good competition in camp. If Shanny brings a vet in, that’s his call. We need competition at every position. I’d also want to see them bring in a fullback to replace Sellers. Get younger, bring in some fresh bodies.
Peeps keep sleeping on K. Williams.
He will make the roster and be the 3rd down back.
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by Diesel44 on Jun 22, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope so, I like him.
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by Parks Smith on Jun 23, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think that they need another RB per se
But neither Sproles nor Addai are at the “stick a fork in them” part of their career that Larry Johnson and Willie Parker were. So if they signed either of them I wouldn’t be miffed about it. For a little guy Sproles is a decent pass blocker. But as this play demonstrates, he won’t make any money running between the tackles.
WE GOTTA SINE DAREN SPROELS
HE IS THE HUMAN NUTRON BOMB
Signed
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by ENsDad27 on Jun 22, 2011 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
+1
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If the price is right i'd be interested
for me it would depend on how the Salary Cap shakes out. If it is in the 120 range, then they probably wouln’t have the money. But if it is like 130, then they probably have enough money to add a vet. RB.
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We should wait another 7 years for Sproles
Then he would be perfect Redskins material!
I think we could use a quality RB
Torain is the closest we have to a top runner, and even he is somewhat marginal, and historically injury prone. Helu is unproven and untested, and I think overrated by Skins fans telling themselves what a great draft we had. He could be good, but nothing in his past says he can be a #1 back. Torain, Williams, Helu, Royster – compare them to other NFL teams, and especially those in the division. I’d go for Sproles or Williams, although NT and O-line (and CB, with or without Carlos) are higher priorities. QB is so complicated – there are so many unknowables – I don’t know what I’d do, but the answer is not likely to involve a lot of money. That leaves us in very good shape, money-wise, to gun for NT, O-line, CB, RB, spending whatever it takes to get a solid guy in each slot (not necessarily the top guy, and never paying $20 million).
“and I think overrated by Skins fans”
I think that a big part of the reason ‘Skins fans have such positive feelings about Helu and Royster has to do with Shanahan’s history of consistently finding mid to late round RBs and making them into 1000+ yard backs.
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by Mr PotatoHead on Jun 23, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Those guys are lower round draft picks - the odds are against them being top NFL RBs
Shanahan is a great offensive coach, but it’s not obvious that he can pick stars in the lower rounds.
I was just trying to evaluate the Skins on a 0 – 10 scale. First guess:
Defense: DB – 8 (assuming we keep Carlos or get somebody comparable)
LB – 8
DL – 4 (because very weak at NT, 7 if get one of the top NTs)
Unit about 5 or 6 now, 7 or 8 with a good NT
Offense: QB – 3
O-line – 3 (conceivably upgraded to a 6 in FA)
RB – 4
WR – 4 (6 or 7 with Moss)
TE – 8
Unit about 4 without Moss, 5 or 6 with Moss
Special teams 5
So Defense – 5 1/2 or 7 1/2 depending on NT, Offense – 4 or 6 depending on Moss and O-line.
Team maybe 5 now, 6 1/2 with Moss, O-line upgrade and a top NT. So as of now we’d be likely to win maybe 6 games (split with the weakies), and maybe win 9 or 10 with Moss, an O-line upgrade and a good nose tackle. Looking at the actual talent we now have was sort of sobering, showing that we definitely need help.
Is a 5 an average in your scheme of things?
by Jefferson1935 on Jun 23, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but I don't take the numbers too seriously -
I just started trying to evaluate where each position group stood vis a vis the league, to try to eliminate my home team blinders, and see reality. I could just as well used “average”, “below average”, etc. or good, fair… or A, B,… That little exercise helped me think that we are seriously weak, or below average, at QB and O-line, and weak or just below average at RB, WR (Without Santana) and DL (if they dont get a nose tackle). If I were GM, I’d go hard for NT, O-line, WR, QB. At CB I assume we keep Carlos or get somebody comparable.
I’d be comfortable going into this season with Torain, K Williams, and another running back that whens his spot in camp.
The only reasons I would like to get a RB in free agency is if it’s Portis and he’s coming back specifically for blocking. I’d rather go with young unproven guys getting the workload than any of the premier RB free agents considering where our team is.
"You're fucking out!"
Eric Edholm is a dope. Addai couldn't hold CP's mom's jock.
Pro Football Weekly’s Eric Edholm thinks so:
But other options include sixth-year free agents such as Joseph Addai and Darren Sproles, two backs with divergent skills. Addai is like a younger Clinton Portis..
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Roy can handle things.
No need to waste money (although that does seem to be what your owner does…).
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Did someone just mention Addai and Portis in the same sentence?
Damn, has that guy watched a game of football in the past 10 years?
Addai is as replacement level as they come, AT BEST.
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haha I was thinking the same thing when reading the article
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by Parks Smith on Jun 23, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I still think we should take a chance on Steve Slaton
He excels in the passing game and we can get him for very cheap. Probably a 6th rounder. He is only a couple years removed from a 1000 yd season under kyle shannahan and is still young. He has the quicks, it just seems like he fell out of favor in Houston. If he doesn’t work out for us, we only lose a 6th rounder. He’s worth a shot.
if I remember correctly he had some fumbling issues and that’s why he saw the bench, plus Foster killed it.
"You're fucking out!"
The kickoff return that he had against us last year was really impressive.
Where he ran out of bounds on his own 3 yard line, and probably could of let the ball go and have gotten it at the 40.
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by Parks Smith on Jun 23, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
in fairness that was I believe is first K.O. return ever (at least in the NFL)
Slaton is a speed guy who knows Kyle and the ZBS so it makes sense
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by Steve Shoup on Jun 23, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole comment was in jest, but come on Steve. Shouldn't a NFL player know better on a kickoff? First time or not.
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haha it must have been the crowd noise :)
No i know, i just think he could have some ST utility, and if you get him for basically nothing than I’d say it is worth it b/c he offers a different dynamic.
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You guys kill me.
The reason we never truly know what our draft picks can do is because we sign free agents. There is a reason we made 12 picks in the draft, 4 of which I think will be starters.
Let Helu play. Let Royster get a shot.
What good does it do to sign a freaking scatback that has been in the league 6 years?
Running backs break down quicker than any other position in football.
22 or 23> 28 or 29. I don’t care if the guy returned kicks against the Broncos…who gives a shit?
"That's what she said!"
He's just a situational back as a change of pace and homerun threat.
Right now I don’t see that on our roster. I’m not campaigning for Sproles, but it’s not like it wouldn’t make sense given the right price. Also we don’t really have a skilled RB that can catch the ball out of the backfield. You need a rotation of RBs nowadays, Torain is a injury threat, and we haven’t seen Helu.
I think Royster is going to be groomed to be more of a blocking back or fullback.
I don’t think the price will be right for Sproles, so I don’t think its that logical. But I also don’t see a reason, on field wise, not to sign him.
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Helu
,from everything I’ve read, is just as fast. I’m hoping he will be our homerun guy.
"That's what she said!"
Just b/c someone is fast doesn't mean they have breakaway speed.
Dion Lewis is a perfect example. Helu is a perfect one cut back, but having a rotation of Torain/Helu/Sproles isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
Sproles’ ability to catch a ball in the backfield and take to the house is where he is different from other players. Honestly, I don’t know how good Helu is at this or not. Whatever Shanny’s plan is RB-wise I’m perfectly fine with it, his track record speaks for itself.
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Give him some room to run and he's gone.
See the Missouri game last year.
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You know you're allowed to sign multiple players nowadays?
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I wouldn't mind have Sproles on the team at all....
although, I guess he would probably displace Williams, and I like Kieland.
on a different note- I don’t believe for a second that it will happen, but could you imagine CP’s initial personal reaction if we actually brought in Tiki?
We stand pat at RB.
I hope they use FA for a NT and at least one OG. They need to decide if Lich or Monty can replace Rabach, too.
Wish list is currently as follows (if prices are right);
Franklin, 49ers NT (vital)
Moss, ’Skins WR (to play the slot and continue to provide leadership)
Yanda, Ravens OG (long-term benefit and room for improvement)
Harris, Broncos RT (cheaper than Brown)
Joseph, Bengals CB (if available, better value than Rogers)
Joseph, Bucs OG (like him, but would depend on who we let go)
In that order.
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by Stephen Beagrie on Jun 24, 2011 9:01 AM EDT reply actions
I wouldn't be averse to Doug Free, with Trent moving to the right side.
Again, depending on cost. Plus, if anyone knows Garrett’s plays / Romo’s snap counts, it’s him.
Plus, Jerruh would have a fit, claim Tyron Smith was his LT all along and boom! Mark Colombo is back for another run!
I can dream…
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by Stephen Beagrie on Jun 24, 2011 9:04 AM EDT reply actions
There are a lot of comments about bringing in a veteran RB. I feel comfortable with Torain/Helu/Williams active and Royster on the Practice Squad in case of injury. They are all young players that have a lot to prove. They are also very cap-friendly. What hasn’t been mentioned is adding a RB via undrafted free agent. Noel Divine would be a great home run threat. He wasn’t drafted because he is small and had a foot injury that hurt his combine numbers. He’s a lot tougher than his size indicates, and has the great vision that is needed for a Shanahan RB.
Never hurts to bring in an undrafted guy
If you have roster space, then bring ‘em on. They’re cheap.
If they make the roster or PS, then great. If not, So what.
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