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Looks Like Someone Has a Sixpack of the Mondays

1. Bruce Allen is a smart man. I believe that so much that I will say that there is NO WAY he would go back and make that McNabb trade again. Surely, when he says he would make the McNabb trade over he is referring to being back in that moment again, right? He has to be suggesting that he would act similarly based on the information he had as well as the beliefs he held, right? He can't possibly possibly be saying that he would go back and do it again knowing what he knows now...can he? On one hand, I love the hubris (spell-checked). On the other hand, really Bruce? You couldn't have worded that any other way? I mean, I fell hook, line, and sinker for the trade at the time. It was a combination of talking myself into liking it and then fooling myself into believing it was someone smarter than me that had talked me into liking it. Or in other words, the exact way St. Megan found herself falling for me. It's okay for Bruce Allen to suggest he would have done something differently. After all, he had a great draft and he has not made any boneheaded free agent signings to date. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt today. Maybe he's trying to boost what little trade value that is left. Maybe he's trying to play nice with Donovan and his agent so that they won't be a negative distraction in the coming weeks (good luck.) Maybe he accidentally opened a page from Vinny's playbook and just said the dumbest thing that came to his mind. Personally, I find it refreshing that our current GM is playing word games with the media. It wasn't long ago that the man in charge regularly tipped off the league about his actions and intentions, resulting in one horrendous bargaining position after another.

2. Here is my weekly question: Which player gets handled first by the Redskins coming out of the lockout: Rex Grossman, Donovan McNabb, or Albert Haynesworth?

3. I was at the U.S. Open yesterday and found myself in the woods on the 18th fairway, dodging a few drives that found the left rough. Next to me on the rope was a crew all decked out in University of Miami gear. There were two seniors that just graduated and one guy who went there a few years back. I made note of their obvious fandom and the conversation quickly turned to the Redskins. Of all the players we could have spent the 5 minute conversation talking about--Sean Taylor, Santana Moss, Clinton Portis to name a few--guess which guy dominated the discussion?

Star-divide

4. That's right...Leonard Hankerson.

5. The NFL Lockout could be over quickly it would seem. The owners will bicker amongst themselves the next couple of days, but it does not appear likely that 9 owners (the amount required to vote down a proposed deal) will join together to kill an agreement. I have appealed directly to Roger Goodell to include in his presentation to the owners that as of last weekend, the amount of WNBA knowledge I possess is roughly 1,000 times the legal limit. Only real NFL news and business can beat that down to acceptable levels. "We Got Next" will always be part of my vernacular, but when I can argue about who the league's top bench player is, we have major problems. Unacceptable problems.

6. Lots of Skins gear at the Open yesterday by the way. I thought very hard about rocking my home white Sean Taylor jersey, but since I was planning to sport a white Adidas headband and gamble on approach shots at the 17th, I worried that I would already be dangerously close to drawing the attention of event organizers. The headband continues to underestimated as both a great look as well as a great sweat absorber. Long story short, I left the jersey in the closet and lost 10 bucks on Rory's 17th hole bogey. He only played 4 holes out of 72 over par...jeeeeez.

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What did the UofM kids have to say...

…about Hankerson? Im sure the conversation was full of praise and excitement but was anything critical spoken about the wideout?

As far as Bruce Allen not admitting the McNabb trade was a flop that was to be expected. How often to executives that execute bad business moves publicly admitt their mistake?

by Elaw6 on Jun 20, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

It seems to me that Hank is generating a lot of talk amongst all fans...

my next door neighbor is a hurricane and dolphin fan. I remember before the draft he was talking about how they were going to take jake locker with the first pick and take hankerson with the second pick. Brandon Marshall and company were going to crush everyone. The Titans crushed his first bit of a dream, then when we took Hank, I got to gloat a little bit. I plan on getting a jersey as soon as he gets that number 85!

by ptowny on Jun 20, 2011 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I am not disagreeing with your words, though I find it hard to believe McNabb will be our starter

That said, I simply can’t believe that Allen would do the deal over again if he had the chance. It was a bad trade for so many reasons—and some of those reasons were there when he did the deal (like losing those draft picks). It was high risk/high reward all the way…and we lost.

I can’t complain though because I liked the deal at the time…I have to stop bringing this topic up so I can stop admitting this.

by Ken Meringolo on Jun 20, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I talked myself into liking it as well....

I think it was some kind of coping mechanism after the shock wore off.

by MagicHat on Jun 20, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had so many of my friends trying to convince me it was a good trade…

I didn’t like losing the picks, didn’t think we were contenders, and most of all didn’t want to see mcnabb in a redskins jersey.

I wanted JC to stick around as our stop gap QB. ohwell

"You're fucking out!"

by travisjh86 on Jun 20, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was definitely a JC supporter....

and we would be in a much much better position now if we had kept him….not to overstate the obvious.

by MagicHat on Jun 20, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

If you're a homer like Ken and I then you were as gitty as a school girl Easter night.

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by Parks Smith on Jun 20, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen Sister.

Giddy like a school girl. I believe the conversations with friends went something like.

“Superbowl, right?”
“Oh yes definetely, Superbowl, fo sho.”

Fear the Turtle!

by HailToTheRedskins on Jun 20, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

because we are hoping they are a farce

keeping McNabb sets the Redskins back plain and simple. Even if we can’t get a 7th rounder for him and have to release McNabb, that $12.5 million is worth more to the Redskins than having him on the team. That amount of money represents roughly 1/10th of the salary cap next year, why would we pay that to someone who has zero long term value, and very little short term value, especially when we aren’t considered contenders.

This is easily the deepest free agent class ever seen, and probably will be that for the foreseeable future as well, so we need as much money as possible. That amount of money can land us two good starters, and probably enough left over to pay for Grossman (or some other stop gap QB).

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by Steve Shoup on Jun 20, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know we shouldn't put much stock in the player-organized practices

But McNabb not being there with the team he is supposed to be leading, is somewhat telling to me. Does anyone have more of a reason to attend these practices than a QB who spent his entire career in another system and seemed to struggle in his first year with his new team?
That just doesn’t sit well with me.
I was in JC’s corner through all of that. I felt like he got dumped on every year, with all the discontinuity of the Skins management. Oh well, water under the bridge now…

by willster on Jun 20, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like you said, I wouldn't put any stock into that what so ever.

I don’t know if those reps would really help him learn the system. It wouldn’t hurt, but I don’t think it would help that much either.

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by Parks Smith on Jun 20, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well it would help one thing

It would help support the tripe that Allen is trying to sell to the media about McNabb. ;)

by willster on Jun 20, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: question #2:

I think the Rex Grossman deal gets done first. I will be the easiest. He wants to be here, and it makes sense for the ’Skins to re-sign him based on his familiarity with the offense. Plus, I doubt he would get a better offer to go elsewhere.

Ditching McNabb and Fat Albert may be more complicated. Although, I kinda wonder if teams have already been working on trade negotiations during the lockout. It may be that the Redskins already have deals in place for these guys and are just waiting for the lockout to end in order to pull the trigger..

A Redskin Potato

by Mr PotatoHead on Jun 20, 2011 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I tend to agree...I would be legitimately shocked if there were no discussions about trades or free agent signings the last few months

Granted, teams would have to hide that for appearances. For example…let’s say that free agency opens at midnight on a given night. You wouldn’t want to announce a free agent deal or a trade at 12:01 AM. Especially if it is a ridiculously huge deal…say in the $100 million dollar range and you were seen at dinner with the agent a week or two before in what had been characterized as a “meeting to discuss a shared interest in argyle socks.”

by Ken Meringolo on Jun 20, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You basically just outlined the Haynesworth deal.
For example…let’s say that free agency opens at midnight on a given night. You wouldn’t want to announce a free agent deal or a trade at 12:01 AM. Especially if it is a ridiculously huge deal…say in the $100 million dollar range and you were seen at dinner with the agent a week or two before in what had been characterized as a "meeting to discuss a shared interest in argyle socks."

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by Parks Smith on Jun 20, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got my feet tattooed with argyle socks on them, thats how much I love argyle socks.

"You're fucking out!"

by travisjh86 on Jun 20, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait, question 2...

Are you asking who’s going to get handled or do some handling of their own? I choose Haynesworth either way

"You're fucking out!"

by travisjh86 on Jun 20, 2011 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Now I'm confused...

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by Parks Smith on Jun 20, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ever wonder about the thought process of our current GM
Maybe he accidentally opened a page from Vinny’s playbook and just said the dumbest thing that came to his mind.

Last years draft & especially the McNabb deal just seemed so boneheaded but this years draft & the deal for Asomugha were so professional & obviously scripted to a well thought out plan, it almost seemed like two different sets of people making the personnel decisions.

by ENsDad27 on Jun 20, 2011 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm assuming you mean Atogwe, unless you know something I don't?
the deal for Asomugha were so professiona

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by Parks Smith on Jun 20, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you are picking at #4

it should be pretty hard to screw it up. I agree that taking TW was a good move but after that pick it seems that we got very little. I was comparing the two off seasons tho & IMO this off season & draft have so far been very impressive while last years seemed to be less than ideal.

by ENsDad27 on Jun 20, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

We'll see

if Perry Riley pans out we’d have gotten 2 starters out of it. If Cook and Capers ever pan out that makes 4/8.

by TheDeepBall on Jun 20, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

there isn't enough room on the internet for an if that big
If Cook and Capers ever pan out that makes 4/8.

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by smutsboy1 on Jun 21, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leonard Hankerson Will

I love Leonard Hankerson and think he will be the best WR coming out of the 2011 NFL Draft. I LOVE this kid and what he brings to the table and my fellow Washington Redskins fans will as well after seeing this kid play! It was a steal for the Redskins and it’s almost a crime that he wasn’t picked sooner. Here’s a writeup I did after the team drafted Leonard Hankerson.

by Beltwayboy on Jun 20, 2011 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah i think he's got great potential

can’t wait to see him on the field

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by Steve Shoup on Jun 21, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would just like to

CLEAN HOUSE… there’s a bunch players that are either getting a little long in tooth, have baggage that the team doesn’t need and hurts chemistry, or that they are in the way of letting our more youthful players get on the field. i.e. while rock cartwright was pretty versatile for us, when we let him go, he’s pretty much done nothing in the league since then (even if he did go to oakland)

I’m sure that there will be some cuts once the lockout is over with:

Roydell Williams
Keiland Williams
Chad Simpson
Anderson Russell
Maurice Price
Sam Paulescu
Donovan McNabb
Shawnbrey McNeal
Reggie Jones
Albert Haynesworth
Macho Harris

by Kia.Area51 on Jun 21, 2011 9:29 AM EDT reply actions  

What's wrong with Keiland Williams?

He deserves a shot in camp.

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by Parks Smith on Jun 21, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I liked Keiland

I thought he performed way better than any of us thought he could and would like to see him come back to camp and earn his spot. He’s obviously not going to carry the the work load but he is serviceable.

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by travisjh86 on Jun 21, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

true

he might have decent hands out of the backfield too

But with Torain – we also drafted Helu and Royster – Someone is going to be on the bubble

by Kia.Area51 on Jun 21, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

we might keep four....

Torrain, Helu, Williams and possibly Royster. I hope Royster works out, possibly a decent short yardage back, good hands and experienced in picking up blitzers. (from what I have read)

by MagicHat on Jun 21, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

I was reading the same thing on Royster…i think he could be a good blocker in the backfield

OOPS i forgot to add SELLERS to my list… he’s someone to really keep an eye on – especially when there’s FA’s like vickers and leach available, not to mention we already have Young

by Kia.Area51 on Jun 21, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Sellers sticks around for another year....

he is still passable on offense and an absolute monster on special teams, not to mention it might not be a bad idea to keep around a few guys who know the system a lttlle

by MagicHat on Jun 21, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you discounting our current free agents? (not including Rex)

Rogers
Buchanan
McIntosh
Brown

Also, I thought it was interesting you didn’t mention Kemoeatu. Intentional oversight?

by DC2AZ99 on Jun 21, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

i think

i was just tired of talking about the 4 guys you mentioned

I think KEMO is decent… there’s been some good reports coming since he’ll be a full year recovered from his achilles and they’re saying he looks a lot better – plus he’d be real cheap to retain

I think it depends what we do in FA – i don’t think we need to do too much… we need to be able to take our rookies we drafted and let them play and learn on the fly… I feel like everyone else does it – why can’t we?

look at the steelers when they throw in Sanders/Brown – Cowboys with Bryant/Sean Lee then you throw in hernandez (pats) best (det) etc etc etc

I think we are very loyal as a team and as a fan base – which is really good but really bad

by Kia.Area51 on Jun 21, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

on Kemo....

good reports coming from where?

by MagicHat on Jun 21, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was reading

from players that he was doing better and looking better – he’ll get cut… but as soon as the lockout is over – he could be retained much cheaper if he comes back and we don’t make a splash with another D Lineman

by Kia.Area51 on Jun 21, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't heard any player reports or anything on Kemo...

All I have heard is that he was still pretty banged up last year, more so than people thought, and there is some cautious optimism that he could return to form, but it’s not likely.

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by Parks Smith on Jun 21, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

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