The Search for a Franchise Quarterback
by HTTR4LIFE on May 8, 2011 3:20 PM EDT
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PrintThe very hours that followed the 2011 NFL Draft were interesting to say the least for fans of the Washington Redskins. Second year coach Mike Shanahan gave a press conference in which he was asked about the obvious hole at quarterback for the Redskins, his reply had him pointing at John Beck as the candidate for the starting role in 2011. Now we have heard this type of talk from Shanahan before, just last year when he spoke about Jason Campbell saying he was happy with Jason at quarterback moving forward and that was a classic smokescreen as the Redskins ended up bringing in Donovan McNabb months later and trading Campbell.
So for the moment, it appears as if Shanahan is not tipping his hand completely (unless you believe Beck will start) or he may very well not know who will be the QB himself just yet, the free agent market is not exactly filled with franchise type quarterbacks this year so the choices are limited.
The search for a quarterback is not exactly a new thing in DC by any means. Not since Sonny Jurgensen, have the Redskins had a signal caller that was considered a franchise QB. We all thought we had one in Joe Theismann, but as we all know, his career was shortened due to injury ;thus he never was able to show his full potential, even though he did win a Superbowl on the strength of his running back and line, chances are he could have won more. Doug Williams and Jay Schroeder both had hands in winning the second Superbowl for the Redskins but both also relied heavily on the Hogs and the running game to lead the way. Mark Rypien had a few good years’ worth noting and won a Superbowl MVP after the 1991 season, but we all know that after that Superbowl, Rypien was not the same player from that point on. The list of quarterbacks that have followed Rypien is long and it appears at this point to be never ending with the inevitable doubt that McNabb will not be back next season.
The next few months should give us a better idea of which direction the Redskins will move in the present….while the future is still a question mark for the time being.
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It is kind of shocking
that Pat Devlin did not get drafted. I would say that we should be giving him a call as soon as the lockout ends.
Other than that sign Grossman for a year and roll the dice in next years draft. As far as the free agents go no more veterans should be brought here.
Devlin will be picked up as soon as the league opens for business
hopefully it’s us
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I think our next franchise quarterback will be found in next year's draft.
Have to let the 2011 college and pro seasons play out though, before we can narrow the list of candidates down to a favorite. I believe the college season will be almost as important as the pro season for many Redskin fans. Have to think the Coaching staff and front office will be bigger college spectators than usual.
Very possible, but if you are talking about Luck, that would mean we would have to be terrible next season…hope keeps me away from that thought! LOL….it appears after Ponder and Locker were gone that Shanny didn’t like the qb’s left enough to try to grab one. That should change when draft picks are not being used in the equation.
Ponder was still there when we drafted
I think Locker was the one Shanny wanted
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True…what I was meaning was Locker was the target, when the Titans grabbed him I believe Shanny’s thoughts shifted to Ponder, who he thought would be there at 16….but then the Vikings took Ponder at 12.
But Ponder was there at #10 when we traded down to #16.
If Shanny really wanted him, he could’ve had him. Not saying he wasn’t anticipating Ponder being there at #16 or in the 2nd round, but we did pass on him once. IMO, based solely off of how we seemed to be focused on the defensive front early in the draft, I don’t think Shanahan was looking at any of the early round QBs. That’s a total guess, though.
He could have also had Gabbert at #10.
The bottom line is that he didn’t like any of this year’s QBs. He didn’t think any of them were worth even one of the multiple 7ths that we had.
He has a plan… and it obviously includes trades and/or FA!
As much as I didn't really want Locker (especially in the 1st round)...
I was disappointed not to be able to see what we would’ve done if he’d been available at #10. My curious side really wanted to know if Shanahan was targeting him. I don’t think he was, but it’s frustrating that I’ll (probably) never know.
My guess tells me he was targeting him
Put it this way, he could have pulled the strings on Kerrigan at #10 if Shanny really coveted him. It would have been a slight reach, but not out of the ballpark
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I get the feeling that we were always looking to trade down...
and had more than one guy we’d have been happy with. Also, the majority of late draft projections had Kerrigan going at #16 to Jacksonville, but I don’t remember seeing him any higher than that. Could be that Shanny was fairly confident Kerrigan would be there, and probably had other options in mind if he wasn’t.
Total speculation, based mostly on gut instinct. Guess when Mike retires, I’ll have to hunt him down and ask him myself.
You know, somebody on HH reminded us that in one interview
before the draft, Shanahan actually mentioned QB as a high priority in the draft, then didn’t draft one, just like last year. I don’t know what to make of it. One guess – he wanted Locker, and would have taken him at 10, but got shut out. When he lost Locker, the trade down plan kicked in, and the idea was to get Ponder or Kaepernick or even Dalton at 41. It’s seems unlikely, but not impossible, that he would have taken Ponder at 16.
I'm not sold on the notion that MS liked Locker..
If he hated McNabb, why would he like Locker?
@Diesel__44 on twitter.
Leadership
McNabb was never a true leader, and often crumbled under pressure, while Locker was the exact opposite.
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We could go back and forth on this but...
the bottomline is that neither of us know. In fact no one knows what Shanahan is thinking.
@Diesel__44 on twitter.
It looks like the 2012 QB class will be deeper than the 2011 group. Better completion % and more total starts.
by Jefferson1935 on May 9, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I never wanted to wait until 2012, but at this stage it makes sense
to try Beck, McNabb, Grossman and hopefully Devlin, just hope for the best, but be fully aware that we’ll get our real QB next year. Same as when we were satisfied to stick with Rex this year – sort of a caretaker. Some on HH were preaching that from the start.
I agree with you.
Next year will be a better QB class. I think it’s a good thing we did not draft our QB of the future this year; nobody had a clear, unanimous opinion on those guys. Hopefully, next year will be the year where we know who is going to lead this franchise for a bunch of years.
I still feel Vince Young
who will be avaliable, could do well here. Call me a fool if you will, but he fits nicely into the QB mold that can do well in this offense. He’s just entering his prime as a QB.
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Agreed!
He deserves a second chance and he has proven that he is a winner. As long as he is in a situation where his coach isn’t telling him he’s a failure (work hard!) then he can thrive! VY!!!
by Andrew DeFrank on May 8, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Vince Young is interesting
There are so many negative looks on him, but his problems in Tennessee were largely because of his confliction with Jeff Fisher. As long as we resign Grossman so if all hell breaks loose we got a more reliable (funny calling Good Rex/ Bad Rex reliable) QB.
I’m not on the Young Train, but it really couldn’t hurt, especially because he’s not about to get some great contract either.
Thats why it could work Big
We have a guy like Kyle how know him. He’ll respect Kyle, and Kyle will respect Vince. Now if we don’t re-sign Rex, at least Kyle will have a roomate on road trips.
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Not sure if Vince Young can handle the DC media…Tennessee and Texas BOTH babied Young, not sure how he will react to a media that will crucify him. I’m not doubting his athletic ability…just his mental state.
The guy handled the spotlight well at Texas
and that school(actually the whole damn State)eats, sleeps and breaths football. Also don’t forget the connection Kyle and VY have. He will not need to be babied here in DC. These guys played together. The respect is already there. Kyle knows Vince, what he’s good at, and what his weakness is. Vince respects Kyle, and believes Kyle will do whatever it takes to put him in situations to be successful.
If we go 5-11 with VY, we can still draft a QB in 2012. Then we don’t have to rush that QB into action right away. He could sit for a year and learn, opposed to having to come in and play immediately. YV could stay here 2-3 years; hell maybe more if we are winning. He’s just about to be 28, so he has a lot of quality football ahead of him.
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Just my opinion, Tiller,
but I think you are overplaying the “Kyle connection” and underplaying the “Head Case” and (from what I’ve read) “Lazyness” issues. Even if he and Kyle get along, Fisher and the Elder Shanny are peas in a pod personality-wise. The potential for more conflict and more distractions is clear and present, and IMO not worth the risk. Just sayin.
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by Scott E on May 9, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Young is not coming to Washington. Bank on it.
Not as a starter, not as a backup. The team is going in a new direction.
"Young is not coming...new direction..." What direction is that?
Winning, I hope.
I was just kidding JDC15, asking what direction is the opposite of Vince Young
Youth? I have nothing against Vince at all. But if he is temperamental and undisciplined (and I haven’t read much about him), a strict disciplinarian and hard head like Shanahan might not be the best fit. Maybe Vince needs a strong and sympathetic father-figure who’s not totally wedded to some system other than one Vince knows and likes. It would help if the coach was sort of easy going, but I doubt any NFL head coach is like that – they’re all driven type A guys.
After last year, it's pretty obvious, to me at least, the team is going to be selective
about the personnel they bring in. Young is not a fit at all, in my opinion, for what they are trying to do here now. Fisher could barely stand him, didn’t want to deal with him. You think Mike wants to go thru that?
If people on this board don't want VY
then why the hell would anyone want Jackson
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Onlt two worth taking(at this point)
and thats not much to hang you hat on. 6 wins again, and we could be in worse shape than we’re in now.
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If we did end up at #10...
I wouldn’t be upset at trading up to get one of them. For now, I’m assuming Luck goes #1, so that’d be a pretty expensive trade. I like what I’ve seen of Jones, but I haven’t seen enough of him to form a really confident opinion. If the front office decides he’s the real deal, I’d be fine trading up to grab him. I don’t like Barkley, but I’m hoping he has a great season so that somebody else will draft him higher than Jones.
It’ll be interesting to see where we do end up. Our draft position next year is pretty damned important to the future of the team.
I don't think Shanahan ever said he wanted JC as his QB
He did say some vague, nice things about him, but never anything definitive. He said a lot of nice things about Beck, which would suggest that he liked him and would logically be happy to have him as his QB, but never really said that he was the best QB, or was actually going to be the QB. In effect, he did not preclude bringing in another QB. So he kept his options open (quite reasonably).
The real tell my friend was...
him trading JC to Oak for a 2012 4th rd pick.
@Diesel__44 on twitter.
My Bronco friends ALL tell me Shanahan is the master of the smoke-screen…the Jason Campbell situation was the first introduction to that for the Redskins.
Yeah awesome smokescreen.
Shanahan secretly loves JC but traded him to Oak just to light a really small fire.
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No HC would ever dis one of his QBs out of hand
so when Shanny says something nice about one you need to ignore it as polite politics. If he would have said something bad about JC, fore example, we would not have been able to get as good a pick for him. If he bad mouths JC, he would have undercut our selling posture. No sense in saying anything bad about Beck, either. You have to face him in the locker room or at film sessions. How awkward.
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Yeah - that was suspicious. JC - Some had been misled by Shanahan's praise
but with Mikey, you have to read carefully and see what he actually said, and often, read between the lines, sort of like the old Kremlinologists. So I believed Mike when he said he liked Beck as a QB, but when you examine what he actually said, he didn’t say anything specific. It’s clear that he is not committed to anyone – we could end up with Rex or D-Mac or a trade or Devlin. I think Shanahan is actually trickier than most coaches – I still think he dissembled and subtly mis-stated what happened with Haynesworth last offseason, and blurred what happened with D-Mac. Joe Gibbs used platitudes and happy talk to, basically, say nothing. Ditto Jim Zorn. Shanahan likes to have fun playing the press.
Prob with Devlin is
he’s not the plug-and-play type. He will be a perfect guy to have on the bench, learning the system for a few years.
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I agree with that....
but if we were to bring him in, do you just let Grossman walk and go #1 (whomever that may be), Beck, Devlin? Bring back Grossman and let Beck go? Or maybe Beck, Grossman, Devlin? You actually make a decent case for VY, might be fun to watch anyway, I really don’t like him off the field. I still have that nagging feeling that Donovan might be back.
If VY were just entering the NFL and was in the 2011 draft
I would not draft him. But, if we can get him for nothing, then I’m all for it.
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Beck smokescreen
Skins fans should know by now that Shanny provides smokescreens regarding personnel decisions. He did say he liked JC, then traded him to Oakland, and traded for McNabb. Shanny now says he likes Beck. Beck could be under center in 2011, but there could also be a QB not currently on the roster that Shanny also likes. You just never know.
The Skins are looking for their future franchise QB as soon as possible, whether it be in free agency or next year’s draft. Regarding free agency, I don’t see Shanny signing a stop-gap veteran such as Bulger considering how the McNabb experiment went. Kolb is the best QB in this year’s free agent class, but don’t see how Philly makes another trade within the division. Outside of Kolb, there are some talented QB’s such as Alex Smith and VY, but will have to learn a new offense in shorter amount of time. If the Skins cannot get Kolb, Beck will be under center in 2011. It would be smart for Shanny to sign Devlin for the No. 3 role.
The future QB of the Skins will come in 2012…Barkley anyone?
Beck has the ability to be a 4-5 year starter.
2nd round draft pick, 29 years old, sought out by the coaches. If he does play well this year, he could conceivably be their guy until Mike retires.
I wouldn’t bet on it, but it is a possibility.
Would allow them to use next year’s #1 on another priority position.
Baltimore initiated that trade b/c of secondary depth, he was not sought out by our coaches.
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Baltimore may have initiated the trade.
Because he was their player. But my remembrance of the deal was that Allen had put out feelers towards the Ravens expressing interest in Beck beforehand. The Beck feelers came via the coaching staff, and their apparent lack of faith in the quarterbacks on the roster last summer.
Kyle has previously stated he was a big Beck fan from BYU, and followed his pro career with interest. Now we know that Mike felt the same way.
Beck was expendable in Baltimore, the Shanahan’s saw the opportunity and pounced.
Why would the Redskins have traded for Beck? They had 5 quarterbacks on the roster.
Why would they sign him to a 2 year deal? He showed next to nothing in camp.
Why did they keep 3 quarterbacks on the roster all year? Yet never played him late in the season.
Beck didn’t come here by accident, he was clearly targeted, otherwise there was no need to trade for him.
to trade a servicable qb without a known replacement was just plain stupid. JC was under contract and cheap. and he was a lot better than anyone we have brought in to date. i would have been ok trading him once someone else was identified, on the roster and showed enough potential to start. but this franchise keeps bleeding from its own self inflicted wounds- so discouraging
by les boulez bomber on May 9, 2011 2:24 PM EDT reply actions
Totally agree
Not meaning to slam the current front office but if we had kept JC & used a 2nd last year & a 4th this year on our offensive line……
I'd like to see Beck throw before I jump in the bandwagon...
… but also… I question why (if he’s so good) didn’t he see any action when Shanny benched McNabb?
That is a question I have asked for awhile…to be honest, I would have liked to have seen him some last year instead of Rex (who we all knew what we were getting with him). Probably would have given him time to get “live” game action in the system to see how he reacts and would have let the Shanahan’s know whether or not they needed to pursue another route at QB.
agree, why wouldn't he play Beck? if he was "testing" his other QBs?
That’s one of the reasons I think the whole Beck/Starter is just smoke-and-mirrors.
timing
Rex was acquired in March. Beck was not acquired until August. That is the reason that’s been given as to why Beck didn’t start when they pulled McNabb. Another possible reason: Rex is more of a veteran, and pulling McNabb was bound to be controversial. Too much pressure to put Beck under. Wouldn’t be fair to Beck to pull a guy (McNabb) who some think is a HOFer, and put in a guy who played four games on a 1-15 team. Rex, being a veteran, was by far the better bet to handle that particular situation. And now, if Beck starts, he’s not following McNabb, he’s following Grossman.
I agree, also I think they really wanted to evaluate Rex.
In my opinion, they saw enough of Donovan to know he wasn’t able to run their offense. I now believe they saw enough from Beck during practices, and his background, to at least keep him for another year as a QB option. I think they really did want to evaluate Grossman to see if he could run their offense efficiently. Right now, I am leaning towards Grossman not returning, Beck is the de facto starter, and they will bring in free agents for competition. They must really feel good about Beck, in my opinion.
After a season on the side line, film room, etc., it is possible that Beck could be at a level of proficiency as Grossman.
Yet Grossman was a starter with Chicago with mixed success. Grossman has also shown that he could perform in limited circumstances in a few games at the end of last season. If McNabb had completed the Detroit game as well as the rest of the season, his passing game would have looked very decent, but the recent Pro Football Focus article showed that he did not do well under pressure (last of 34 QBs).
by Jefferson1935 on May 17, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, Grossman is a turnover machine.
Regardless of everything else he offers, his turnover rate is abysmal. Enough so that they may feel he is not a viable option.
Beck should be a decent game manager who won’t commit the killer pick or fumble.
He probably won’t win us any games, but he won’t lose them either. Their season will ride on the defense’s back, and the offense just eliminating mistakes. Expect to see a lot of 17-13 games, hopefully we will win a fair share of them.
I agree that Mike Shanahan is again making a smokescreen in reference to his comments about Beck
but I think the reason is to let Grossman know that if he doesn’t sign with us, that we have other options. I am not convinced that either Mike or Kyle want to go with Beck as our starting QB next year.
Another QB that is an UDFA
who would be a very good fit on our team is the QB from Louisville, Adam Froman. Smart, very talented & mobile, good size & intangibleshttp://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/23/n-f-l-draft-adam-froman-fourth-ranked-quarterback/
Adam Froman - Quite a find
Nobody drafted him, but it could be that anybody who wanted a QB, got one, and also, correctly deduced that they could get him as an UDFA. Rather unknown – inexperienced, injuries, but probably worth a look.
shanny
needs a moblie smart guy that can do bootlegs stench type stuff that is ACC pinpoint but u need a WR wrost than QB
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not a great speller
shanny likes the 1-cut running game lot of agilaily ACCinciton no danceing 1-cut and go
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shanny
needs a moblie qb to make his off go But a big play WR wouild help more
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i been around
getting denial work done looking at college football on the net
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Hey j-man, nice to see you
What did you think of our draft ?? We were pretty excited by the job that Mike & Kyle Shanahan did, we’re still wondering about our QB tho. You know Mike Shanahan well, do you think he is serious about Beck being our starter next year or is it a smokescreen ??
couild be a smokescreen
but i know at least the 5 years he become more stubbon in his ways more infeaxable it started in 05 u need a big play WR to team up with moss beck is too raw for me my 2 cents is shanny shouild added some philly things to his playbook and more deep balls but u biggest plom is u have a 4-3 D and u are playing 3-4
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IDK J-man
we now have some pretty decent 3-4 guys. Kerrigan(even though we don’t know how he’ll turn out yet) and Rak should make a nice tandum at OLB. Jenkins on the inside(at DE, and situational NT), and the rookie Nield, combined with Carriker, who was playing pretty well last seaason could make for a nice front 7. Jarmon, at 6’ 3" 290+ should be ready to step in too at DE. Give me a MLB in FA(love to have POZ) and we are ready to turn the corner.
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You're happy to go with Carriker, Neild and Jenkins as the front three?
Two rookies and a guy who is usually considered somewhat average? Of course, there are guys like Bryant, Jarmon, Daniels and Holliday, and hopefully, the big guy – Albert. But it would be nice to have one real beast.
I'm comfortable with Carriker
I am also pretty comfortable with the potential of Jenkins and Jarmon.
The NT position is where I’m concerned.
If AH returns, we’ll be that much better.
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That's a very good observation
shanny shouild added some philly things to his playbook
So you think that Shanahan should have played to McNabbs strengths instead of trying to bend him to his system, very interesting. We did add a big play WR in Leonard Hankerson so hopefully that will open up the offense a little. Very few over here were happy about the switch to a 3-4 after having a moderately successful 4-3 but I think our D will be much better next season with more pieces in place. Your Broncos picked up some very good players, Von Miller will be a big problem for any other teams offense. Don’t be a stranger my friend, we all appreciate your time & your insights.
well said...
I like that you labeled our 2009 D “moderately successful”, I think that is pretty accurate. Perhaps, statistically, we were up there with some of the top defenses in the league, but I am not sure that translates accurately to what I saw on the field. Very similar to people touting our passing game last year, citing the fact that Donovan was on his way to breaking all time passing records. (thank god he didn’t, If DMac got into our record books while leading to an 11-5 season and a playoff run thats one thing, if he supplanted a true Redskin in the books in a losing effort I would hate that). Stats and rankings are fine, just keep in mind that the Chargers finished statistically 1st in Offense AND Defense and they couldn’t even win a relatively weak division.
Great point about the offense
What some of those people failed to take notice of, was how poor we were in redzone scoring, and 3rd down conversions. They are the two stats that are really important.
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i like miller
but as a hogs fan he wouild dishapper aginest Arkansas hopefully he is better than ayers the Sporing news draft guide comparn him to D Ware of dallas oh here is a name to keep your eyes on if denver cuts E Royal grab him pefect fit for shanny O
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You must be happy with Denver's Draft; #1 OLB, #1 FS... etc.
ILB Mike Mohamed (6th rd) will prove to be a steal…. you’ll see!
can u tell me more on mohamed
dont know him well i wanted a DT in the first 3 rouns
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Absolutely! ILB Mike Mohamed (6-3, 239pds)
Great size for an ILB, and 4 years experience in the 3-4 Defense. This guy is all about tackles and stopping the run. Nothing gets past him.
He’s not going to wow anyone with his quickness (as seen in the Combine), but he finished his Cal career fourth on the school’s all-time tackles list with 340, while adding 20.0 tackles for loss, 7.0 sacks, seven interceptions (with 2 returned for a touchdown), 9 pass breakups, 2 fumble recoveries and 4 forced fumbles. In 2010 he had 95 tackles. In 2009 he finished 1st in the Pac-10 with 112 tackles!!!
thanks
but denver is a 4-3 team now and we need BEFF very bad the Lack of a DT tick me off it was the deeper dt class in 15 years i understand denver cant fill their many holes on D in 1 year but if u watch broncos games the last 2 years we cant stop the run if u have time look up OAK @ DEN from 2010 its awful sorry i have not been here a lot i kind of have a mini cuit following around most NFL Blogs AFC West and Nfc east as well i live near Dallas country i do really like the redskins helmsts and i love joe gibbs i liked now he was a nice guy and kick u butt too
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider
Guys this is very good read
A case for Vince Young
This is the first official "guest post" ever I’ve ever published.
I’m doing so not because I endorse every single word herein—which I don’t, though I agree with most of it—but because it’s well-written, informed, thought-provoking, impassioned, and totally unsolicited. It’s also in direct conflict with popular opinion among Redskins fans and Burgundy Nation, so I believe it’s good for you.
And this is my blog, so I demand that you digest it.
The author is Bill, a lifelong Oilers/Titans fan and season ticket-holder, who relocated to DC a few years ago for work and now describes himself (for some reason) as an "evolving" Redskins fan. I’ll concede that an adult man who has recently gravitated toward the Redskins may be suspect in his cognitive abilities. But his writing says otherwise
To read the whole post
http://burgundyblog.com/post/5367586151/vince
John Beck just delivered an epic interview on Sirius.
Don’t count him out yet. That guy has Passion! Loved what I heard. Have to think Mike and Kyle love it to. If he leads like that, the team will definately follow. Beck sounds like the man to me this year. I’m ready for some damn football after that interview! Go Beck, you take charge! Hell yea!
Yes, I love Beck. In fact, even if he ends up sucking as a QB, I still love him, and it seems like his teammates also love him (already). Everyone’s debating whether Beck really is going to be the starting QB, but Beck is not saying he expects or needs to be named the starter now. He’s only saying he wants to compete, and he’s going to act like a starter until they tell him otherwise. Perfect.
I’m really surprised, after all the Haynesworth drama, that any redskins fan is remotely considering that Vince Young could be QB here. There is 0% chance Vince Young will land here, and that’s only because there isn’t a number lower than zero.
I now have a man crush on John Beck.
I love the way the guy talks. The fire and passion in his voice was pretty incredible to me. I would climb that wall for him. I’m rooting for him as well.
Beck and Young
Beck may be fine, but I hope he’s not just a big talker. He has confidence, but he can’t know if he really has the skill. Being confident on its own doesn’t mean anything – Rex, Jason, Colt were all confident. I don’t think it’s that clear that Vince Young won’t come here. He has the ability, and his mental problems might be explained by the situation – the system, Fisher, etc. I know how things can start going downhill for a young guy, you get on a s**t list,etc; maybe he just wasn’t a good fit at Tennessee, and he just couldn’t handle it.
It's not happening with Young.
No way on earth that guy is coming here, in my honest opinion. He doesn’t fit what they are trying to do, and he is exactly the type of player they are running away from. Undrafted free agent quarterbacks will make this roster before Vince does. My opinion only.
Tiller thinks Vince fits the system
and Vince is more talented than John. I’m not real solid on just what the Skin’s system is, is it more like Mike’s or like Kyle’s system? Do they want a roll out QB, or a great pocket passer? If they wanted Locker, they probably want Young. I could be wrong, but I don’t think either Rex or John is like those two, and Donovan is (or was). Having two offensive coordinators can lead to that kind of confusion.
Donnio most fans would think that V Young is one of the more athletic QBs of all QBs. He has demonstrated proficiency
at the NFL level. It is both the mental and mental health aspects of VY history that bothers people. The mental issue is whether he can handle the complexity of the Shanahans’ offense. The mental health issue relates to his apparent erratic behavior since he was drafted by the Titans.
Given the Skins need for a winning QB, it is tempting to go for VY.
by Jefferson1935 on May 17, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
So with VY
we get a QB who can physically handle the aspects of this offense, mut the mental part is in question.
In Beck, we have a guy who can likely handle the mental aspects of our offense, but may have physical limitations.
Which is better?
Which attribute would win us more games(or do we really not want to win this year)?
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
Well put
with Beck we might go 7-9 or 8-8, with Young it could be anything from 4-12 to 10-6. Shanahan does like to live dangerously, so…
I think it may be the opposite bro
The celing on Beck might be 5-11. I think with Young running this offense, and the improved defense, we are at least 6-10(at worst).
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
Yes, that's pretty well what I meant
Vince has more upside and more downside – he’s more of a gamble. I’d be fairly pleased if they signed him – it would suggest that Shanahan thought he could handle him. Uh, maybe I ought to re-think that, considering Mike’s history of handling temperamental players.
I actually think Young(since he's actually been playing in the NFL, and has been successful) is less of a gamble
With Beck, who hasn’t started a game in years, you really don’t know what your getting. Beck IMO, is the huge gamble.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
Lockout, Young and Beck
I just read that after two good days of negotiating, the talks are now put off until June 7 (WTF?). If football doesn’t start up until late July, it would presumably help Beck (and Rex and Donovan), who knows the system, and hurt Young, who could take some time to learn the system. It would argue against giving him a shot. On the other hand, if Shanahan can’t beef up the O-line through FA/trades because of a late start, it could boost the case for Young, who could probably handle a weak O-line better because he is so strong and mobile, good at rollouts, etc. Poor Beck would get half killed if they can’t strengthen the line.
What would be fun
is to see no FA. Let teams like us live with what we have(haha). You know I’m joking right?
We need FA, but I’ll tell you this; I won’t be disappointed if we give our young O-Linemen a shot.
RT – Capers
RG – Cook
C – Licht
LG – Hurt
Could you imagine the look on Smuts’ face if we opened the season with this line?……………..Priceless.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
The lockout is a killer diller for teams like the Skins that need to buildup their rosters. It is even worse for teams with new
coaches and new defense or offensive schemes.
Young’s mobility is what led to the victory of Texas over USC. Michael Vick was able to use his mobility to ad lib until receivers got into the open or else to run with it. Opposing teams can adjust to that issue as the season goes on if they have the right players.
Young has not shown that kind of play in the NFL at this point. No doubt that Vick did better with the Eagles than he did with Atlanta.
by Jefferson1935 on May 17, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think VY has done well with his mobility
but remember, the Titans were hell bent on making him a pro style passer, so they were against him running too much.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
Running QBs in the NFL do not fair well in the long run. It is OK to get the defense spread out and run as far as the
QB can. Then it is the time to slide or exit via the sideline. Campbell did a good job of running like this when he was with the Skins. It is questionable whether Vick can make it through a full season the way he runs. Can a mobile QB sustain drive after drive using this style of play in the NFL without getting sidelined with injuries? The Titans answer was likely to be no. If a team carried 3 Qbs of this type they might make a go of it for the season.
by Jefferson1935 on May 18, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe there a reason to bring VY in.
In his first four NFL seasons (2006-09), amassed a 26-13 regular season record as a starter. His .667 winning percentage qualified as the best regular season winning percentage in franchise history and the fourth best among quarterbacks drafted between 2000-2009 (Brady, Rivers and Roethlisberger).
• Has engineered 11 career game-winning performances, leading his team to victory after a fourth-quarter deficit or tie, including six times in 2009.
• Started the final 10 games of the 2009 season, leading the team to an 8-2 finish after the club began the campaign 0-6. Named to the Pro Bowl after completing 152 of 259 passes for 1,879 yards with 10 touchdowns and seven interceptions for a career-high 82.8 passer rating.
• In 2007, directed the team to Wild Card playoff berth, becoming 11th quarterback drafted in first round since 1983 to lead his team to playoffs within his first two seasons.
• In 2006, was named Associated Press NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year, Pro Football Weekly/Pro Football Writers of America Offensive Rookie of the Year, Sports Illustrated Rookie of the Year, Sporting News Rookie of the Year and Diet Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Year (fan voting) after setting every rookie passing record for the franchise, completing 184 of 357 passes for 2,199 yards and 12 touchdowns.
• Additionally gained 552 yards on 83 rushing attempts (6.7 avg.) in 2006, becoming first quarterback in Super Bowl era (1966-present) to rush for 500 yards as rookie. Tied for team high with seven rushing touchdowns, also first for a rookie quarterback in Super Bowl era.
Before hurting his thumb he was having his best season 98.6 QB rating a whopping 16 points higher than his previous career best. In (2009QB Rating 82.8)
He completed a respectable 60 percent of his passes And win record of 30/17.
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