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Washington Redskins Announce "Andrew Luck in 2012 Plan"

I am not a big "conspiracy theory" guy. I think the main reason is because by the time said 'theory' makes itelf known to me, it has long since ceased being in the conspiracy stages. Also, I lack the appropriate paranoia, poor hygiene and awful wardrobe of your average conspiracy theorist...uhhhh...crap--well, I am definitely not paranoid.

I know what you're saying...the Redskins can't announce to the world that they will be selecting Andrew Luck in the 2012 draft. And yet, to those with an eye for the absurd (finally...all those years of watching Vinny Cerrato have trained me for something) that is PRECISELY what they have done. And I LOVE it.

Let's start with not addressing the offensive line in the draft (no offense to Maurice Hurt, who could easily find a role on this team.) To be clear, I am not at all unhappy with the draft. I love the players we picked up, but there was something missing, right? Not many teams could have 12 picks and still fail to address all the needs on the roster, and yet here we are. But we had more holes to fill than a Jenna Jameson feature film. As it stands, we did great. I applaud Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan for their work. However, the lack of a top-shelf offensive lineman in this draft is rather conspicuous, wouldn't you say? Especially given the seemingly obvious deficiencies on such a crucial unit.

Star-divide

I need to once again stress how much I really did enjoy our draft. I have zero qualms with the way we have set out to rebuild this roster. But Ryan Kerrigan, Jarvis Jenkins and Leonard Hankerson can't play Right Tackle. Hmmmm...

Let's move on to the even more shocking announcement that Mike Shanahan is madly in love with John Beck. Hey, I get it. An attractive young quarterback that Shanny had the hots for out of college but could never get his hands on because he was in Denver and Beck was bound by BYU's Code of Conduct. When he finally made his move for Beck last year, you could just see the "Not even Chris Hansen can stop this from happening" look in Shanahan's eyes. By all accounts, John Beck did a fine job running the scout team last year, yet when it was time to throw some garbage time around at the end of the season, we got Rexy and not Beck. Since then, we have been led to believe that John Beck could possibly be the man in 2011. Hmmmm...

So we're going to throw an inexperienced quarterback behind an offensive line that wouldn't be qualified to bounce at an Assisted Living Gala event? Any other year I would be leading the call to file criminal charges against any man who did such a thing. Today I am prepared to call that GENIUS!

For quite some time, we have been trotting out one-year plan after one-year plan. The notion that a Super Bowl could be won with such antics is...well...unproven.  However, THIS one-year plan has some real promise. Let's just say the Super Bowl trophy engraver isn't practicing how to write "Washington Redskins" this summer. Disney ain't lining up John Beck's agent to get him ready to say, "I'm going to Disney World!" THIS one-year plan is our most ambitious to date, and wouldn't you know it--it is just crazy enough to work.

With every snap John Beck takes in 2011, the prospect of Andrew Luck in 2012 becomes more real. With every missed block by our patchwork offensive line in 2011, we take one step closer to the "Andrew Luck Era" that would hopefully also include a high second round offensive tackle selection.

For years, the Redskins organization has been afraid to let organic, necessary losing happen the way God intended. Through the trading away of draft picks for aging veterans and the signing of free agents that kept us from seeing what we had in young players at just about every position on the field, we as a fanbase were shielded from the insanely bad year that most teams must go through to truly get better. Instead, we were just driven insane by how bad things kept getting.

Redskins fans can and will accept a down year if they believe that there is truly something to be gained from the experience. From Bruce Allen's most recent draft strategy, to the willingness to sacrifice John Beck's life in 2011, I think we can all agree there is some real growth going on inside those walls at Redskins Park.

So feel free to join me in calling this the least secret conspiracy theory of all time. After all, it is right there in black and white for the world to see. Will I be there rooting my butt off for John Beck this season? You bet I will. Will I get carried away if and when we win a game or two in September that causes people to think we could be "a year early" in our progress? You all know that I will. But if we take our lumps in 2011 the way Mother Nature (and Mike Shanahan) intended, we could be set to add the last couple pieces in the 2012 draft that just may catapult the Redskins into a Golden Age.

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that the redskins will try to suck to get luck?

by ACo on May 5, 2011 7:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I think it's for Luck...

But I do think they would LOVE a high 1st and a high 2nd in 2012. Ultimately, it’s not like they are benching good players to tank (notice I did not use the word “tank” in the article.)

Shanahan has the luxury of trotting out unproven players for a year and the likely result will be high 1st and 2nd round picks. Even the high 3rd rounder should translate to a starter for us.

by Ken Meringolo on May 5, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

If so, most of us do not share your pessimism

I say 8-8 to 10-6, the lowest forecast I saw was 5-11. It’s going to take much worse than that to get Luck. On Beck, the simplest guess for Shanahan’s comments – apply Occam’s razor – is that he thinks old John is a pretty good QB who can run the offense efficiently. He could also be BSing a bit while he’s actually scheming for a trade. The draft can be explained as strategy – hopes to get O-line and QB in FA/trades. Cheer up man, we’re still undefeated this year!

by Donnio1234 on May 5, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't see it

Maybe you’re a bit more paranoid than you thought! :P

I think the guys in the NFL, from Allen to Shanahan to the players are all too competitive to plan a horrible year to get a draft pick.

I think Shanahan really thinks he can mold a good NFL QB from Beck, just like he thought he could do so with McNabb and Grossman.

by aFan4Life on May 5, 2011 7:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh yeah? Then why did Shanny bench McNabb and start Rex at the end of the season last year?

He was trying to tank for better picks.

It says so right here in “Redskins Conspiracy Theory: The Mike Shannahan story – The Lombardi is out there!”

No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-

by BillWard on May 5, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

You mean the McNabb who was on track for the best Offensive Passing Attack in Redskins History?

That kind of suckage?

Sorry, you can say anything you want, but McNabb was on pace to set a new Redskins record for passing yardage in a season.

No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-

by BillWard on May 5, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of people for get that, preach Bill preach...

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed!

Jamie Dukes will make you believe he had his worst year ever, when in fact it was one of his best! Now think if we can get him some receivers!

by Andrew DeFrank on May 5, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

but that's just a raw stat that begs context.

I mean, any yardage accrued in the Eagles debacle is meaningless, you know?

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on May 6, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, personally I don't know.

I wasn’t aware that just because your defense couldn’t stop anything, your offensive stats should be ignored.

by tuckwell on May 6, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

yards gained when the opponent is in prevent or has given up playing hard dont' count as much

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on May 6, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I'll disagree

Too subjective. How much of that game counts, which players get to count their stats anyhow because that wouldn’t matter, etc. It all evens out in the end. Besides, I’m pretty sure the Eagles’s DC would count it. He didn’t want to give up a yard more than was absolutely avoidable, and you know they’d rather have a shutout.

by tuckwell on May 6, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um, ok.

It doesn’t all even out, that’s the point.

QBs on bad teams frequently get padded stats b/c they spend the 2nd half throwing all the time.

And defenses go softer the bigger the lead and closer to the end of the game. DC’s are completely happy to give up all 9 yard completions you want when you’re down 3 TDs in the 2nd half.

A 10 yard draw play for your RB is meaningless on third and 15.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on May 6, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could you please, just for once, give up the wet blanket act?

Seriously. Nothing but doom and gloom and the worst possible interpretation of events.

And for what it’s worth, a 10 yard draw play for your RB on third at 15 puts your punt unit in better shape to win the field position battle, or gives your field goal unit ten yards less to have to worry about. EVERY YARD MATTERS. Every play matters. You can equivocate that all you like, but I won’t believe we might as well have just quit after the first quarter of that Eagles game. That’s bullcrap, and those stats represent a team still trying, still fighting and still learning; discounting that process is a disservice to the team we all love (or at least I think we all do).

by tuckwell on May 6, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can equivocate that all you like, but I won’t believe we might as well have just quit after the first quarter of that Eagles game.

what in god’s name are you talking about?

if you pay attention I’m making a point about whether McNabb was actually on track for “the best Offensive Passing Attack in Redskins History?”

I know it’s frustrating when people have opinions different from yours, but a wise man can defend himself.

Or you can cry about blankets or whatever you think is worthwhile, my man.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on May 6, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, feel free to call me stupid if you like.

The numbers don’t lie, McNabb definitely was. Instead of immediately throwing out stats for whatever game conditions don’t meet your approval, how about actually analyze why that was? How about talk about the fact that for much of the year, we had absolutely no rushing attack? Then you could compare last year’s team to the great Redskins teams in the past and see that they were able to run the ball effectively, which kept the passing game from racking up huge numbers. You could also bring into the conversation the fact that the league is now definitely a passing league, as opposed to twenty plus years ago where if you didn’t have a feature back that rushed for over 1,000 yards, you weren’t winning games. That would be sound, reasoned analysis.

Instead we get instant negativity about the worst loss of the year, how in your opinion the stats from games like that should be thrown out the window for whatever reason, and then questioning of my intelligence.

The only thing frustrating is when people half-ass things just to avoid the effort.

by tuckwell on May 6, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I started this with a perfectly reasonable response

and I have calmly explained why I THINK all yards are not equal.

you’ve been defensive and sensitive and I’m still not really sure what you’re upset about, other than you wanting to throw labels at me.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on May 9, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Best article you have written this year Ken

This should be front page on the Sports section of the Post. Of course they will have to edit the Jenna Jameson part(which happens to be my favorite line of the article).
 
Here is my only question. Do you think we will be worse than the Bills, Dolphins, and Broncos? All three of these teams could be in the QB market. As it stands right now, I put as as the 5th worst team in the NFL – behind the Panthers, Bills, Broncos and Dolphins.

I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!

by Tiller56 on May 5, 2011 8:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't know about that

I thought this part was the funniest:

to the willingness to sacrifice John Beck’s life in 2011

Had a good laugh with my coffee!

by willster on May 5, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think we are capable of being worse than all of those teams.

A lot can and will happen between now and the season…how bad did we think Denver was going to be a couple years ago when they started 8-0 or something like that? I also happen to think very highly of Ryan Fitzpatrick in Buffalo. If he and C.J. Spiller get going, they could end up blowing the #1 overall pick.

by Ken Meringolo on May 5, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Beck

If you think very highly of Fitzpatrick, why is it so hard to believe that Beck will be a solid quarterback. Beck was on a terrible Dolphins team and lost a few starts on a team that went 1-15. Fitzpatrick with the Rams filled in a few starts, on a bad Rams team, and lost his starts. He then bounced around and finally got a crack at the Bills starting job when the quarterbacks ahead of him were injured or were playing awful. Their careers sound very similar to me, Beck is now getting his chance to shine.

by bwick25 on May 5, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trust me, I know Beck could do well enough to win

But the combination of his inexperience and our offensive line puts him in a hole on Day One. What we are doing could lead to the emergence of a player like Beck that allows us to use our top draft choices elsewhere. That is a possible outcome for sure.

I am not betting on it, but if it happens, I will be prefectly happy.

by Ken Meringolo on May 5, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

we narrowly beat out the bills as the worst team in football, miami sucks pretty bad as well. However form a talent stand point we are the worst team in football.

by alwaysremember21 on May 6, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

At 4-12

we will get one of the two between Luck and Jones. I’ll gladly take either. Outside of these two, I don’t like any other QB enough to make them the face of the franchise.

I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!

by Tiller56 on May 5, 2011 8:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Foles, I'm telling you.

If it’s not Luck, it’s Foles.

No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-

by BillWard on May 5, 2011 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm rootin for Foles, Jones, and Luck

NOT BARKLEY. I think Carson Palmer was the last good USC QB for a bit, and I know Cassel went there, but he sat the bench, and please dont tell me Mark Sanchez….

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HTTR

by SpartanFS47 on May 5, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree on Barkley

He’s not what I would look for in our future QB.

IMHO, Jones is more talented athletically that Bradford, and you all know how much I loved Bradford coming out.

I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!

by Tiller56 on May 5, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's unfair to compare Barkley to Sanchez.

He already has more experience, has improved this last year and probably will improve this year too. He has more arm strength, and one reason we don’t hear about his leadership is because USC will be irrelevant until they can play in a bowl game again.
My QB order:
1. Luck
2/3. Jones/Barkley (wait till the year is over)
4. Other position unless another QB rises.

Skins rule

by Horcasitas4 on May 5, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

With all due respect Bill

Foles is not even in the same area code as Landry Jones. He’s a major project, and will have to go somewhere to sit for a few years.

For me, it’s Luck/Jones or bust.

I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!

by Tiller56 on May 5, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Next year ...

you and I are going to almost completely agree on quarterbacks in the draft. How scary is that??? :)

by tuckwell on May 6, 2011 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps.

But Foles is a QB who fits the system, and can win with the type of team and attack we have NOW, not some hypothetical situation where we’ve drafted the Hogs 2.0, have brought in Art Monk and Gary Clark’s younger, rookie aged clones, Cooley AND Davis are both playing like the second coming of Jerry Smith, and we’re running an offense that is VERY different from both Kyle and Mike’s preferred scheme.

Yeah, in that case, Jones may be “The Guy”. But today, with the team we have, Foles is a great fit IF he can show that he can sustain that hyperaccurate short range cannon of his, show confidence in the pocket with line he has this year, and show just a little more patience in letting the deep route develop. Shanny runs a different offense from Joe Gibbs. Foles is more desirable in our scheme than he would be in some others (such as Oakland’s, for example, or Buffalo).

You take a guy who can really excel in your scheme, who isn’t being drooled over by EVERY team, and who has more upside for your team than a “higher ranked” QB 10 times out of 10, especially if you can leverage the QB more desirable for you at lower costs (and therefore, can build around him a better core team, the way we did this year).

All of this is speculation right now… but don’t be too shocked if the Redskins end up maneuvering to get Foles next year, if it’s obvious that the QB du jour next season is unreachable without too high a cost.

No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-

by BillWard on May 6, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Foles = Dalton

I don’t know why he would need to let the deep route develop, he can’t throw it.

by tuckwell on May 6, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he doesn't think he's paranoid

it’s just because THEY’VE been better at hiding the signs that THEY are watching him.

He just needs to look harder for proof that THEY are out to get him, and the Redskins.

But, yeah, he does have the right hygiene and clothing. Now he simply needs to get with Parks in order to coordinate their matching wardrobe. Then they’ll both be dressed in the manner of a male prostitute. * It would make me furious to know THEY are watching me that way.

*Extra credit for the first person who can figure out where I pulled that reference. Unless you’re somehow reading my thoughts. In which case, triple credit, for catching me without a tin foil hat on.

No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-

by BillWard on May 5, 2011 8:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I watched Mystery Men

Paul Reubens got snubbed at the Oscars for this movie in my opinion.

by Ken Meringolo on May 5, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

My all time favorite Superhero movie.

I think Hank Azaria also should have been a contender.

“I hurl them mother. I hurl them with amazing accuracy. I’m the Blue Rajah, I know it’s a hard pill to swallow, but there it is.”

“Are you going to need more forks?”

….

“I was saving this until you get married, but by the looks of things, that could be along time.”

….

“If you want to see my superpower, pull my finger.”

…..

“Junk it!”

No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-

by BillWard on May 5, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like this..

Why would we WANT to do bad. I want a winning season and possibly playoffs instead of doing bad just for a quarterback who we aren’t even sure about..what if he gets hurt the last game of the season for him( like Colt McCoy) but yet the Redskins still went like 3-13.

by JasonisAsian on May 5, 2011 8:29 AM EDT reply actions  

haha...it is not about WANTING to be bad

When you have unproven players with little experience, and you make a commitment to learn what they can do and what they can’t do for a season, the likely result is a losing season.

I think Shanahan and Allen probably like 2-3 of the quarterbacks in next year’s draft, and would take the one that either fell to them or the one that cost the least to move up for.

by Ken Meringolo on May 5, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is refrigerator material Kenny...nice work

Only hole in your argument is if we trade up to get Luck, we than have no draft picks left to draft guys that can protect him. Perhaps,though, the Shanaplan is: trade 2012 1st and 2013 1st to get Luck, use the 2012 2nd to go OL…3rd pick to go OL and trade our two 4ths to get back into the 3rd and go OL. How great would that be? (Like a JJ money shot)

"If everyone is thinking alike, somebody isn't thinking." -George S. Patton
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by Kevin Ewoldt on May 5, 2011 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Kevin, didn't you have a post a couple of months ago...

that Mike Shanahan admitted to this “conspiracy theory” ? If I recalled, you had a post of a blog that some fan ran into him at a restaurant. And when both are leaving at the same time, the fan suggested to draft Andrew Luck….and Coach Mike responded “that’s the plan”.

Hmmmmm..Ken, you may have something here!!

by Chilliewil on May 5, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea, a fan did say that about Shanny...

but then I realized the date he posted that story….April 1st. Got me.

"If everyone is thinking alike, somebody isn't thinking." -George S. Patton
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by Kevin Ewoldt on May 5, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

As I recall

that fan said it wasn’t an April Fools thing.

by tuckwell on May 6, 2011 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only way we are gonna get Luck is to trade up...

… and that is what we gotta do. Here’s to a superbowl in 3 years!

by Jamaican-Bacon on May 5, 2011 9:06 AM EDT reply actions  

No one will trade the rights to Luck

unless the Patriots make them the godfather offer.

by sofutomygaha on May 5, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too early to talk about 2012 QBs

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 9:10 AM EDT reply actions  

How about 2022?

This kid is the next Mark Rypien…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eiyCpIRCWU

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by Kevin Ewoldt on May 5, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree...

I like what is happening even if the verdict is still out. The Skins have too many holes to fill and seem to have a new life this year compared to last off season. I really do not understand why a prospect like Luck would forgo such a big payday as this years # 1 pick to finish up senior year. If he has a bad season he could plumment in the draft. Not necessary likely but could happen.

by mybluebone on May 5, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely too early

I don’t get the whole Luck hysteria. The dude may be good but I’m sure he has holes that haven’t even been exposed yet. Remember Jack Locker anyone?

by Floppy P Key on May 5, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's never too early

when our starter could be one of either beck or Grossman

I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!

by Tiller56 on May 5, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

damn Tiller...

you could at least capitalize the guys name, jeez.

by MagicHat on May 5, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bout time I make a fanpost...

explaining how we will/will not get the #1 pick in the draft and different scenarios….its been a long time coming

by ATLredskin on May 5, 2011 9:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Great Article!

But what if the only reason we appear to be off the “one-year-plan” plan is that free agency hasn’t opened yet? It hasn’t been possible to trade away next year’s draft yet.

As of now we have an extra 4th from the Campbell trade and no 6th from the Jammal Brown trade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NFL_Draft

by UsualLine on May 5, 2011 9:26 AM EDT reply actions  

IF

we trade up (w/picks) to get Luck, or any other player, it will be a miserable mistake, setting us back another year or two.

Otherwise, sure Shanny, knock yourself out with whatever plan you want.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on May 5, 2011 9:27 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure you can say that so ... er, surely.

Totally depends on where we trade up from and to, and what we do with the later picks.

by tuckwell on May 6, 2011 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's a win win

If he sucks we get luck, if he’s who Shanny says he is then we are set at QB

by Jamaican-Bacon on May 5, 2011 9:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't say were set

the guys soon to be 30

I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!

by Tiller56 on May 5, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

walterfootball is saying the same thing.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php

Yes, my good man, I’ll have the milk steak, boiled over hard, and your finest jelly beans--raw.

by Illusions, Michael. on May 5, 2011 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

If John Beck is our starting QB then who is our back up?

What about 3rd Stringer?

What happens to Rex?

What happens to McNabb?

Beck is just the rumor of the week, I don’t know how much stock I would put into it.

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Who peed in your cornflakes this morning?

You do realize nobody in the world takes me as seriously as you? I am not sure if I should be flattered or worried about you.

P.S. Don’t eat the cornflakes.

by Ken Meringolo on May 5, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha I didn't really read the whole thing, just going off of peoples comments more then anything.

I just think a lot of people are jumping to conclusions on the QB situation.

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sean Bergenheim pissed in my cornflakes if you really wanted to know.

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1000

Guy has had an MVP post season so far!

by tmarine17 on May 5, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

DAMMIT!!!

I was REALLY trying to forget about hockey for the next few months

SpottieOttieDopaliscious

by Rekka on May 6, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

who cares who our 3rd stringer is?

Season is lost no matter who it is.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on May 5, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

ha. rec'd

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by Kevin Ewoldt on May 5, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW McShay has us taking Barkley at #3 overall.

You can talk about Luck as much as you want, but you don’t think there are 15 other fan bases saying the exact same thing?

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Completely agree, I don't know how much better the QBs are next year (someone will jump on here and tell me the best class ever)

But I think they’re pretty comparable and that’s why Shanny waited.

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also i think Shanny realized that unless you know it is the 2nd coming of Peyton Manning

drafting a quarterback before you have a team is just a mistake. I do see us going QB in either the 1st or 2nd round next year, with OL as probably the other choice. This way though we will already have our WR’s and RB’s in place.

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by Steve Shoup on May 5, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW McShay has us taking Barkley at #3 overall.

Well, there goes my afternoon post. thanks.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on May 5, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why would anyone be sending out smokescreens a year before the next draft.

It’s merely a guess from McShay.

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

~~~~~~~~Smokescreen~~~~~~~~ We really want Eli's boy.

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m guessing the Manning babies will not be on the covers of any magazines.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on May 5, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Todd McShay is as dumb as a box of hair. He is to the NFL draft as the girl in your office who makes picks based on uniform color is to March Madness. Sure, he might get a couple right but you can’t take him seriously.

by Art Vandalay on May 5, 2011 4:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nice analogy

and true to boot.

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by Scott E on May 6, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Todd McShay is as dumb as a box of hair."

hmmm….so you are saying Todd McShay=Mel Kiper jr.?

by MagicHat on May 6, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

BARKLEY

From what i have seen on barkley at USC he was a highly recruited QB to be better than sanchaez from the jets , and i have seen him play and i dont think he is that good but the year he took over at USC everyone that was on that team alot of them were drafted as well so barkley had to learn the QB position with a whole lot of new players as well . He could become a real good QB given time because he was recruited highly by USC and there was alot of raves about him .

by washingtonwin on May 5, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Being recruited highly doesn't mean shit

Anthony Morelli and Dan Kendra were 5 star QB’s coming out of high school, and look what they did.

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by Tiller56 on May 5, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by Steve Shoup on May 5, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I AGREE

I am not saying barkley is a good QB by far matter of fact i think he sucks at QB , i was just saying thats what alot of sports figures were saying . I have seen this kid playb and i thought he was not that good in my book and i would never draft that kid either . But i would love to see ANDREW LUCK in a redskins uniform though because if we get a chance to get him we will be in the playoff pretty fast not just because of him but the way shanny and allen are doing with our picks and thats finially drafting good players for once .

by washingtonwin on May 5, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alot of people are touting Luck

and that should be the way it is, but don’t overlook Jones either. He, IMO, is just as talented a QB

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by Tiller56 on May 5, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

hes not just as talented, hes better than any qb in the 2011 draft maybe. Andrew Luck is the best QB in the draft next year if he sits out all of next season he is still your number 1 pick overall. The kid is the best QB to enter the draft since peyton manning. I do like jones though

by alwaysremember21 on May 6, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gah, you keep bringing up Kendra incorrectly.

He didn’t do anything because he blew his knee apart and had to move to fullback just to see the field again. Who knows what he would have done after Busby left?

by tuckwell on May 6, 2011 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

fukin McShay

what a nut sac. Guy’s fukin retarded

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by Tiller56 on May 5, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

true, but in fairness

just about every draft analyst is drinking the Barkley Kool-aid …i just don’t get it L. Jones is far superior in every facet of his game. Also he doesn’t suck against good competition the way Barkley does.

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by Steve Shoup on May 5, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing any USC QB now has going for him

is that he is no longer being surrounded by the across the board 5-Star talent and organizational stability that Sanchez et al had to work with when Peter the Cheater was at the helm. If anything, it gives USC QBs a chance to prove they are more than “caretakers” of a runaway behemoth.

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by Scott E on May 5, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed...

I was being sarcastic. The “experts” have always loved USC (yes I know they generally have a ton of talent) do you think Sanchez would have even been a first rounder if he played for Oklahoma?

by MagicHat on May 5, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually,

it’s hard to say. Maybe OK isn’t the perfect team to use in your example, but he would have been challenged more on a game by game basis and may have even received more/better/intense QB coaching with another school that doesn’t have the “interchangeable parts” philosophy.

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by Scott E on May 5, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will be pissed if we draft Barkley

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by Tiller56 on May 5, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will you break stuff?

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, definitly

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by Tiller56 on May 5, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

He could prove himself this year.

I doubt it, but don’t make any blanket statements you would regret next April. You know they’ll come back up :)

by tuckwell on May 6, 2011 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

draft

aww man we’re already talking bout next years draft??? anyone else read that Mcnabb was throwing to arizona recivers? it kills me not knowing whats going to happen with the QB situation

by redskins4ever on May 5, 2011 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Dude half to NFL is down in Arizona right now.

Todd Heap, Terrell Suggs, and a ton of others are down there, the same way they are every summer. It means absolutely nothing.

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's Cinco de Mayo dude

I’d be in Arizona right now if I could as well…

wait…did they outlaw Cinco de Mayo in those new immigration laws?

by Ken Meringolo on May 5, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

well i know all about the other players down there and yeah id be there too. but nfl.com is speculating of course like they do. i think mcnabb will stay

by redskins4ever on May 5, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

My understanding is that they are still allowed

to celebrate Cinco de Mayo, but they can only drink white milk. At least I think that’s the way it works in AZ these days.

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by Scott E on May 5, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

One report had AZ getting Kolb, and Warner said Palmer was a good fit for them

Ken – you must know a lot of conspiracy theorists to know how they dress and bathe. The UFO/area 51 people I saw on one show looked perfectly respectable. Some of the leftists are hippie types.

by Donnio1234 on May 5, 2011 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

haha...don't believe everything you see on TV

I thought Jennifer Love Hewitt was a bad actress for years thanks to Party of Five. But as it turns out, she is one of the most gifted artists of our time. And I mean…REALLY gifted. I wish she would share her gifts more…for everyone to see.

by Ken Meringolo on May 5, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes (I think) on JLH, but she's not as good as my sweetie, Julianne Nicholson

Man, that girl can really cry. For bad actresses, check out Alicia Witt (just about destroyed L&O, CI) and Kim Kardashian.

by Donnio1234 on May 5, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Throw the Kitchen Sink?

Would this be the one time that you would be ok with throwing the kitchen sink at the organization that has the number 1 pick if we dont?

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by BermBurner on May 5, 2011 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Instead of tanking this year

Why don’t the Redskins put together a good season to build a foundation on, then trade every single pick we have for the next 3 years to obtain Young Luck because another season of single digit wins is taking a toll on the entire fan base.

by Elaw6 on May 5, 2011 10:47 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I don't think it is tanking

if we wanted to tank we would have wasted our top pick on a QB who couldn’t play this year (Gabbert). Instead we got Kerrigan, Hankerson and Helu (plus some later round picks). That is three guys who will contribute from day one. Now we still have a huge hole at QB (and along the o-line) but we are a better team.

I don’t think we are tanking exactly, just not going after a ton of washed up vets to prop this team up for a year. If Beck/Grossman is our QB i’m fine with that for a year. That is a much better idea than trading for Kolb, Palmer or Young. And also why waste time and money on a guy like Hasslebeck.

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by Steve Shoup on May 5, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is very strange

yet relaxing to not have to second guess the FO all the time. Also amazing that I felt so surprised when the FO pulled off an amazingly prudent and well thought out draft. Go figure.

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by Scott E on May 5, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah between Danny and the media sweating quarterbacks (and WR's that i don't get)

so much I understand why the rebuilding process is so foreign. Look at every media member who took a shot at us, the Bills, or Cards for not taking a QB. Or people salivating over the Falcons jumping up to get Jones when the Browns might have landed just as talented a receiver at 59.

For the first time in a long time the Skins are on the right track, and honestly it doesn’t matter one iota who our QB is for 2011. We could have Tom Brady and I don’t think we’d be a playoff team, so lets not chase some lesser option or be worried if Sexy Rexy or Beckster is the man.

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by Steve Shoup on May 5, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It’s just the way of the world right now, everyone wants the best but they aren’t willing to wait for it.

by PJ_21 on May 5, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's so nice to be aboard the train

and not tied to the rails.


For the first time in a long time the Skins are on the right track,

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on May 5, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Beck @ QB

Matadors as an Offensive line.
Carlos Rogers still on team.

Not tanking?

by Elaw6 on May 5, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Three rookies starting and “contributing” from day one. When has that ever happened on ANY team. This season is looking to end in another absentee ballot from the playoffs.

But atleast next year will better when we get a rookie quarterback that will take a minimum of 2 more seasons to become acclimated to the league.

Our defense maybe a tad bit improved but we are still looking at scoring 14, 10, and 9 point games on a consistant basis.

I don’t want a veteran QB or high profile rookie. I just want to make it out of the wild card round so there is a reson to look forward to the next season.

by Elaw6 on May 5, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I HAVE BEEN SAYING WE WILL BE 3-11 OR 4-12 THIS YEAR

One we did not address the offense hardly at all just a few pieces thats it and looking at who we play we will be lucky to just hang in there with our defense to make it look good but just enough to lose . Shanny and allen are smart guys and i agree %100 with ken thats what they are doing and i would also go along with it as well to get ANDREW LUCK next year . ID say that this was a very good idea to get the best QB around .We could trade fat albert out and get maybe a descent pick for him and get a descent pick for McNabb and have a few extra picks then maybe trade back after the 2nd round to aquire more picks on top of that . I can see we are going to have at least 12 picks next year easy if shanny and allen do the same thing again like this year providing danny boy can hold his wad long enough .

by washingtonwin on May 5, 2011 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

One we did not address the offense hardly at all

We draft 6 offensive players, we usually don’t even have 6 picks total.

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

people really need to stop propping up late round picks as addressing anything other than long-shots to be starters down the road

it’s dishonest to actual discussion.

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by smutsboy1 on May 5, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is saying that here?

When you start the draft with 7 picks and end up have 11 and add over half of those to the offensive side of the ball then you can’t say we didn’t address the offense. Since FA hasn’t happened yet then how else would they have possibly addressed the offense yet this year? We added two starters for sure to the offense and have no idea what will happen in free agency.

By this assumption we haven’t addressed the defense either.

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smutsy isn't happy unless

1) we have earnestly and deliberately refrained from even thinking about the FA market,
and
2) We have fewer than 12 draft picks, all in the first and second rounds.

Other than that, I find him to be quite fair and open-minded. :)

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by Scott E on May 5, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

*no fewer

to be exact.

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by Scott E on May 5, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Using late round picks isn't "addressing" anything other than special teams and deep depth.

They can’t have addressed everything. No team can. That’s precisely the point.

What did they address with the valuable picks? defense.

What didn’t they address? offense.

Pretty straightforward.

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by smutsboy1 on May 5, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

So at this point in the year, how would they have addressed the offense?

Right now I’m seeing where they got two offensive starters and two defensive starters.

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

my point is the difference in value of a 1st and 2nd vs a 3rd and 4th

you can’t say each was addressed with equal resources.

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by smutsboy1 on May 5, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did I say that they were addressed with equal resources?

All I’m saying is that it is dumb to say we didn’t address the offense at all, at this point in the offseason, when we picked 6 players where I think 2 are going to play major role and the others have a shot, especially Aldrick Robinson in the slot. This draft was a lot deeper than normal in terms of quality RBs and WRs, you may not have your “super” prospects like Adrian Peterson but some of the RBs taken in the 3rd/4th this year would have certainly gone higher in years past.

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, YOU didn't.

But frequently people argue we’ve spent “a lot” of draft picks on offense or OL in the past two years and that’s a misleading statement to make.

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by smutsboy1 on May 5, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget that excellent WRs

are often obtained in later rounds. To say we didn’t address a need based solely on the round they were picked is a bit narrow minded.

Pretty much everyone agrees Henkerson is a strong pick for us and that some of our other WR picks may start. If anything, it says that last year’s WR corps was so mediocre that we will probably upgrade it with mid-to lower rounders. Sad, but true IMO.

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by Scott E on May 6, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hankerson was taken with a value pick...

and Helu ia going to be a lot more than ST and depth.

by MagicHat on May 5, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your just pissed they didn't take linemen

If they had selected a G in the 2nd and a C/G in the 3rd, we wouldn’t hear a peep from you

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by Tiller56 on May 5, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, if they had drafted OL early I wouldn't be pointing out how they didn't draft OL early

that’s brilliant.

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by smutsboy1 on May 5, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

But if we already addressed our OL needs in free agenecy then would you be complaining?

hmmmm………..

A lot of offseason left.

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

the question was about the draft

not the off-season

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by smutsboy1 on May 5, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't matter

Parks’ question is still relavent

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by Tiller56 on May 5, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not relevant to my point, at all:

People too often conflate early rounds picks with late round picks.

It’s a very important distinction to make.

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by smutsboy1 on May 6, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

By that reasoning

Brady will never live down to your expectations as a 5th rounder.

I still think you are over emphasizing the round. If what you say is true, they wouldn’t even bother having rounds 4-7 as these folks by definition cannot help but never be better than canon fodder.

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by Scott E on May 6, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, that's not my reasoning or my point at all.

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by smutsboy1 on May 6, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, don't forget

that Shanhan has a reputation for making 1,000 yd rushers out of guys selling Popsicles at the seashore – or even 5-7th rounders for that matter. I’m just suggesting that there is a strong chance that this draft will end up becoming very productive for us on both sides of the line and Special Teams top to bottom. Look at the list of our all time best draft picks and see that there are some great players that were not first and second rounders.

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by Scott E on May 6, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The real Andrew Luck 2012 plan..

Is having Beck lead us to an undefeated season for us to then trade him away for the #1 pick and get Luck, simple.

by PJ_21 on May 5, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Thinking about next year’s draft really sucks but that’s the reality of where we are as a franchise. Rebuilding is not fun but necessary. With a bad QB and a very thin line we are probably in for a long season. The fact that we’re stubbornly sticking witht the 3-4 will not help. I never route for losses but if we end up getting Luck I can live with it.

Watching all these young guys develop should be fun. It certainly beats watching overpaid free agents lose year after year. Stay the course and everything will be fine.

by Ram1964 on May 5, 2011 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I think this is really going to be a fun team to watch this year, at the very least.

People have to be patient and understand that a youth filled team is going to take their lumps and that it’s a good thing.

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

It sure beats seeing a bunch of 30+ guys taking their lumps.
At least we can be confident that the younger players will learn and get better from it.

Honestly i’m relatively confident about next season, if we add a few bodies to the OL in free agency then we will at least be competing in every game. There’s a very fine line between having a winning and losing season.

by PJ_21 on May 5, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

We lost 6 games

by less than a TD and mostly in the 4th Qtr. last year. This team is not far from being very good if properly coached and motivated – and it was obvious last year that this is the case for the first time in a long time. Add to that the host of “lunch pail warriors” we brought on in this draft and our prospects are good enough for a healthy purchase of A-1 Kool-aid IMO.

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by Scott E on May 5, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am with you Scott....

I don’t think we are “one player away”, but I do think you can now count our major needs on one hand, and might even have a finger left over….other than depth pretty much across the board, of course, but that will come.

by MagicHat on May 5, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok you have a point.....

perhaps I was being a bit premature and looking at hopeful FA acquisitions this year. If we pick up 2 in FA, then I stand by my statement. At least we are closer than we have been in a long time. Especially if we re-sign Tana, Brown (or Harris) and Carlos (which would be nice, but I am not counting on it). Obviously a few things would have to go our way, but I don’t think a winning season is completely out of the question here.

by MagicHat on May 5, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm happy because

progress is definite and potentially substantial. Not all of these guys are first rounders, but work ethic and character can easily make up for slacking, overrated, prima dona head cases, not that any readily come to mind AH

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by Scott E on May 5, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry not even close

we also won all our games by 6 points of less, the majority of which were were by a FG. We gave up 75 more points than we scored last season, and we would probably need to be +50 (so a 125 point swing) to be a real playoff contender. While I love what we did in the draft and think Atogwe is a hell of a start we aren’t there yet. Our talent level doesn’t come close to comparing to our division foes, much less the top teams in this league.

If you look at last year most of our wins or close games came because we had a lot going for us that we won’t have next season.

Schedule:
Cowboys: They had 2/5th’s of their starting o-line, and if not for the Barron penalty or the stupid call at the end of the half we don’t win that game (worth noting Barron played a total of 2 snaps after that game.)

Texans: One of the Skins best games, but the Texans were without Cushing and K. Jackson really struggled that first half of the season. If we faced the Texans later in the year we might not even come close to beating them.

Rams: we got beat pretty bad by a rookie QB, despite S. Jackson missing most of the game.

Eagles: Haynesworth dominated the LOS (won’t have that next year), Vick got injured, and the Eagles blew the 4th and goal play at the end of the half…and they still almost pulled it out in the end. Or offense getting like 200 yards is not a win in my book.

Packers: What Packers didn’t get injured in this game?? (or prior to it) It was a nice win to pull out, but if we played them 10 times how many do you really think we win?? Esp. if they are healthy.

Colts: honestly one of our better games, despite the fact that Manning moved the ball up and down the field we made a number of 3rd down stops (carlos why couldn’t you catch the ball) and Orakpo’s big sack. This def. could have been a win, but we simply made too many mistakes and didn’t get enough pressure on Manning. Also our great hurry up offense was an absolute joke at the end of the game.

Bears: Again no Big Al, who terrorized Cutler by literally throwing his lineman into him, and stopping that goaline play leading to a fumble. Again this is another one that I don’t know how many times we beat them if we play 10 times. I think we caught the Bears at a time when their O-line was the worst and Cutler was shellshocked after getting killed in that Giants game.

Lions: Yeah we got pretty well dominated despite Stafford coming back from injury and not being that effective. Ugly game for us and no reason we should have lost like that.

Eagles: absolute shellacking here. Failure in every aspect of the game.

Titans: Lets see we needed Britt to be injured, Randy Moss to disintegrate the team, Vince young to get hurt and get into a fight with his team, and oh yeah two personal foul penalties against the Titans in OT to get in FG range. That isn’t exactly a signature win.

Vikings: They had a brand new coach, Sidney Rice just coming back from injury and no where close to effective, Peterson hurt early and Favre ineffective and we still can’t come up with the win at home.

Giants: We got pretty well dominated in this game despite the Giants not having their starting receivers.

Tampa: was starting a patchwork o-line and lost their top DT Gerald McCoy about 8 plays into the game. While people will want to blame the ST’s for this loss, our offense should have never put them in that position. Some crucial missed 3rd downs are why we didn’t win.

Dallas: We came pretty close to a big time comeback, but lets not forget that this team was without Romo and Bryant, and well weren’t exactly great last year.

Jacksonville: Again not a signature win, esp. considering it was a cold day in Jacksonville (i know it is an excuse, but the track record of Florida teams in cold weather games isn’t pretty), and the were without their star RB. We still barely managed to beat them and needed OT to do it.

Giants: A better game against the G-men, but still our offense didn’t do much and I think we just aren’t on the same talent level as them.

Now I realize we had some injuries as well and the loss of Haynesworth did hurt our defensive production, but that was by choice, both his and Shanny’s and the other injuries weren’t nearly as major. Trent for a couple games and Orakpo for one (which we actually won). Landry was a tough loss, but really we weren’t that better of a team when he was playing. Our injuries don’t compare to what other teams endured and I just think people fail to see that. I know a win is a win, and I’ll take them, but I just don’t see us beating playoff teams like we happened to do this year. We had a lot of things in our favor thoughout the season.

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by Steve Shoup on May 5, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've seen plenty of bad teams have winning seasons

and just as many good teams have losing seasons. It doesn’t always come down to the simple fact of how good the players are just look at the Cowboys last year.

With a good game plan, a roster full of players with a winning mentality (and of course a bit of luck) its not inconceivable for this team to grab a wild card spot and compete with the other teams in the division.

That being said though we could just as easily win 4 games and be picking near the top again, it’s just the nature of the league.
Were a way off being consistently good but definitely heading in the right direction for the first time in a while.

by PJ_21 on May 5, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

* * blinks * *
This team is not far from being very good if properly coached and motivated

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by smutsboy1 on May 5, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude, it's not that far of a stretch

We just need a couple new guards, perhaps a center, develop some receivers, a right tackle would be nice, throw in a nose tackle and a QB then we’re halfway there!

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by travisjh86 on May 5, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You guys just don't know

how to enjoy the off season, do you? LOL

I predict one thing: We will be “cancer-free” this year. Shanny has his guys, plus a couple of FAs. Anything can happen. HTTR!

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by Scott E on May 5, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

DHall has the ability to be cancerous...

Hopefully with strong personalities around him he’ll learn how/when to shut up.

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I predict silence from DHall

once Mo Hurt sits on his head a few times.

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by Scott E on May 5, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

but then what will we talk about all the time?

Surely not football??

by PJ_21 on May 5, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crazy times we live in...

I don’t know what the writers and pundits would do, it’s been years since they actually wrote about football.

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand the Washington Sports Media

has a jobs pipeline into The National Inquirer and Teen Magazine. So they are set for life.

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by Scott E on May 5, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure there will always be plenty of idiotic players

and if not we can start making up some crazy rumors

by PJ_21 on May 5, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

One can only hope

It sure would be boring with nothing to talk about except our latest blow-out victory and what great cookies each of our players brought to the church picnic with them.

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by Scott E on May 6, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

IT's never really fun

watching a team loose

I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!

by Tiller56 on May 5, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't go so far as to say Luck is the goal.

He seems headed for the #1 pick, and I don’t think we will be that bad. Shanahan definately improved the defense in my opinion which was smart given the caliber of defensive players available.

Seems almost certain their 1st pick next year will be a quarterback, and that selection will directly affect the course of the franchise for Shanahan’s tenure. Whoever he selects as quarterback will have to play to his scheme, and will define his career as Redskin head coach.

I can’t see Beck being the starter if only because he can’t take too many hits in my opinion. Lots of quick hitches, screens, draws, and slants I suppose. Grossman is a tougher cat who can take the Ramsey treatment. Actually Jenna can take it for sure, “Jameson for Skins QB 2011”. Sign me up.

by JDC15 on May 5, 2011 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Skins to the playoffs, I’m calling it.

There is absolutely no way we don’t make the playoffs now that everyones ready to go through a shitty season.

"You're fucking out!"

by travisjh86 on May 5, 2011 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes!

It’s all about managing expectations and jinxes.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on May 5, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

No silly...

We wait until former #1 overall picks turn 37 years old and THEN we sign them to lucrative free agent contracts.

by Ken Meringolo on May 5, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That way we can be sure that we are getting a great talent

at the very tail end of his playing abilities.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on May 6, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes....

in 1948 we picked Harry Gilmer with the first pick, we also had the 4th overall, we picked Lowell Tew (wouldn’t it be nice to have those picks). In 1952 we picked Ernie Davis, the first African American to ever be selected first overall. Also, In 1936, the first ever NFL draft the Eagles picked Jay Berwanger, who never played and we (the Boston Redskins) selected Riley Smith, the drafted player ever to play in the NFL.

by MagicHat on May 5, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

according to Wik...

we also had NO 1st round picks from 1970-1979 and again from 1984-1990

by MagicHat on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

We trade the Davis pick b/c we were racist.

Not sure if we drafted him then traded him or what

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

not sure if that supports the racist theory...

not that it wasn’t going on, just doesn’t make sense in this case, for obvious reasons.

by MagicHat on May 5, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea I don't know, its purely based on that movie the Express, and movies are always true

I tried looking it up but couldn’t really find anything but this little quote:

“We’ll start signing Negroes,” Washington Redskins owner George Preston Marshall once quipped, “when the Harlem Globetrotters start signing whites.”

In 1961, the Redskins were the only team in professional football without a black player. In fact, in the 25-year history of the franchise, no black had ever played for George Marshall. Sam Lacy, the gifted black sportswriter for the Baltimore Afro-American, called the Redskins football’s “lone wolf in lily-whiteism.” Their owner was “the one operator in the whole structure of major-league sports who has openly flouted his distaste for tan athletes.”

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

my bad...he was drafted in 1962

I thought that ‘52 didn’t sound right if we was traded for Bobby Mitchell

by MagicHat on May 5, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you been watching The Express again

I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!

by Tiller56 on May 5, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only seen it once...

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by Parks Smith on May 5, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't had a good tan in years

If you guys want a great rundown of the history of the Redskins and segregation, you have to check out Mark Newgent’s article in last year’s Redskins Annual that Kevin and I put out.

Very good stuff…really gives you a great look at what was going on—JFK’s administration was even involved.

by Ken Meringolo on May 5, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

We traded him for an AA player

How is THAT racist?

And we traded him after drafting him. He died of a brain tumor before he even had a chance to play in the regular season of his rookie year.

No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-

by BillWard on May 5, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is partially my fault....

I originally listed him as drafted in 1952 rather that 1962, their "policies"’ were quite different then.

by MagicHat on May 6, 2011 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said I purely based it off of a bad movie

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by Parks Smith on May 6, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ehhhhh......

Either the Redskins will have to play dreadfully this year or give up all of their picks to get that first overall pick. Both ideas sound horrendous.

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Mikesta on May 5, 2011 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

loved this article

I guess what ken is saying is that shanny can say we had a great draft (and we did) but still have us lose because we aren’t experienced is genius. LUUUCCCKKK

by Andrew DeFrank on May 5, 2011 6:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

unless shanny is planning to go 1-15 which i highly doubt he wants to do he is to competitive we have no shot at luck. and dont kid yourself beck will win more games then grossman will thats even if we still keep sexy rexy.

lohaus #54

by lohaus#54 on May 5, 2011 8:49 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Even still,

We have the potential of trading our draft (made possible by our trade backs this year) in 2012 to get him, or the possibility of Foles, Jones, Barkley… etc.

by Andrew DeFrank on May 5, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're peddling another message board

and a mediocre one at that?

good contribution to the discussion, friend.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on May 6, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

All I want for Christmas...

Is a real Franchise QB. I hope Shanallahan knows how to identify one.

My give a damn broke.

by davesomethin on May 6, 2011 10:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

PRAY WE GET PICK #1 IN 2012

Andrew Luck is the real deal best QB since Manning…Peyton that is. I really hope that we get him and then build this thing the right way. No trading picks for old washed up players and drafting guys who are talented AND have value where we select them for a change!!!!!!

by alwaysremember21 on May 6, 2011 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

John Beck and the o-line

Agree wth Ken, for once the draft strategy was superb, loved all the picks except maybe Royster, but what about the o-line. Would have liked to see an o-lineman with the 4th or 5th round pick, such a critical position, but I’m sure Shanny has a plan in free agency, whenever a CBA is agreed. J Beck like any QB will need time to throw, so I hope he is given a fair chance for the starting job. I’m not convinced about Beck being the starter, but we have to trust Shanny. I think will be ok for 2011, 7-9 wins I think is realisitic

by ACBENALAL on May 8, 2011 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

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