11 Questions I Hope To Ask Mike Shanahan About Redskins 2011 Draft
by Kevin Ewoldt on May 2, 2011 10:25 AM EDT
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PrintFirst off, all I can do is laugh at the peons that are giving the Redskins draft grades of "C," mainly for not drafting a Quarterback. So, the mainstream media bashes Shanahan for not taking a QB, yet these same computer nerds a year from now will label Shananan "a terrible evaluator" when all these QBs turn out to suck ((Dalton, Ponder, Gabbert) - which they all will. It was a lose-lose for Shanahan in that regard, but luckily, unlike our previous decision makers, he could care less about media pressures and relies on his expertise and scouts.
I really hope Hogs Haven gets to sit down with Shanahan for a few beers because these are the questions I would like to ask the Head Coach:
- If Mike Pouncey was still on the board at #16, would that have changed your 1st round pick in anyway? I know a team might have wanted to trade up and of course the Skins need a Guard AND Center.
- The Jarvis Jenkins pick. I couldn't help but noticed you passed over Marvin Austin. From a direct contact at UNC, I know his work ethic is there. Why did you pass on him?
- In a related note, the Giants DID draft him and now we have to face him 2x a year. What's the plan with the OLine and why did you feel the need to draft only 1 OLineman at all...and late at that?
- With Anthony Bryant being the only (serviceable) Nose Tackle on the roster and the several Defensive linemen you drafted , can we expect to see more of a 4-3 look this season? (Note: Chris Neild selected in 7th round is a NT)
- Speaking of Jarvis Jenkins, what do you like about him over the following players still on the board: Brooks Reed, Marvin Austin, Stefen Wisniewski, Stephen Paea, Randall Cobb, Da'Quan Bowers, Benjamin Ijalana, Mikel Leshoure, and Greg Little?
- It's hard to find any Redskins fan that will dislike the Hankerson pick in the 3rd round. Kenrick Ellis was still on the board...was he ever an option?
- Moving to the 4th round, you take your first Running Back, Roy Helu. Kendall Hunter, a favorite of mine I got to talk to at the combine, was still there there as was CB Rashad Carmichael - why Helu over the rest?
- Picks 177 and 178 in the 5th round...Tyrod Taylor was still there....he obviously was never on your board. I I was happy the Redskins avoided all QBs, but what made him a bad pick this late in the draft?
- You had 6 draft picks last year and only Dennis Morris is currently not on the roster/practice squad. Only 1 player last year really contributed, Trent Williams. Can we expect more out of the 2010 class in 2011? (and don't respond "Well, I hope so.")
- Can we talk about the Center position? No? Good...because the Panthers drafted a Center and they already have a Pro-Bowler there. Is Rabach really serviceable another year or are the fans in the dark with Erik Cook and possibly Lichtensteiger or Montgomery taking over? (The Cowboys drafted 2 OL in the first 4 rounds).
- Can you pick up the tab?
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I would add a 12th Question. What do you think about JimmyK?
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by Kevin Ewoldt on May 2, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
There were three other Nebraska players that looked like good picks. Keith Williams, OL, 6'4", 318, NFL
grade 3.2; D.J. Jones, OT, 6’5", 310; and Eric Hagg, DB, 6’1", 209, NFL grade 5.4.
On the surface, Hagg looks like a better pick than Dejon Gomes, DB, 6’0", 208, Nebraska, NFL grade 2.1.
Both Keith Williams, OG, and D.J. Jones, OT, Nebraska had 1.75 10 yard splits. These are OL with zone blocking experience.
Jones is an UDFA, also ran a 4.98 second 40 yard which is fast for an OL.
by Jefferson1935 on May 2, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's pretty clear that Jarvis Jenkins will be the most closely watched pick out of this bunch.
Like I said before, I know people are saying he is a DE, but if Jenkins has gains 15 to 20 lbs he is the prototypical size at NT.
I couldn’t go to bed after the OT dagger last night (sorry to bring it up). So I re-watched the Clemson-Auburn game from September. I remember watching this great game on a Saturday night with a bunch of friends over some brews, and I remember thinking:
- Kyle Parker looks pretty damn good.
and - Man, this new QB for Auburn really sucks.
Man how those two went on different paths after this game. But I was just FF to watch Jenkins last night, I really think this guy can be a NT, he was taking up multiple blockers and looked the part. I’m not a professional talent evaluator by any means, but I think Shanny/Hazz drafted him with this in mind.
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Isn't that what we want from everybody on the DLin the 3-4?
eat up blockers and stop the run. I think is is DE first and will see time at NT in certain situations.
The Skins could have had Jerrell Powe in the 6th round and could have had depth at NT. The Skins front seven should
show significant improvement with Kerrigan as LOLB, Jenkins at RDE, and Bryant/Neild at NT. Carriker and Orakapo will have better production with these guys. The Skins should be at least in the middle of the NFL pack on run defense as well as better on pass defense. If the NT combo can collapse the pocket, it will help the pass rush as well as passes defended. Too bad the Skins did not draft Powe since there would have been more certainty with this issue of the 3-4 defense. If Jenkins is indeed a nose tackle prospect the Team will need more help at RDE since Jarmon has not shown himself to be the answer. Perhaps free agency will give us the clue of what the Skins will do.
by Jefferson1935 on May 2, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that outside of possibly looking at Williams our of ND...
we are set for the year at front 7.
Giants have two guys we passed up on that may make us very sorry: Amukamara and Austin.
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I am looking forward to Alex Barron beating out Tyron Smith for the RT battle in Cowboys camp.
I’ve heard Barron has looked really good this offseason (wink, wink)
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I think I screamed when i saw Amukamara drop to us
This draft really is a head scratcher to me because on the one hand, I lovewhat they’ve done with the youth movement and the drafting of high character guys.
On the other hand, where’s the o-line? ESPECIALLY with Austin lining up on the other side twice a season.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Still a lot of offseason left, and we had so many freaking holes that you couldn't fill all of them.
I put my money on Jamaal Brown being back and maybe some other depth pickups. I just have a feeling that they thought any late round OL picks weren’t any better then what we have in Monty, Licht, Cook, Capers, etc.
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Oh no doubt
I don’t want to give off the feeling that I’m disappointed in the draft, because they did a LOT more than I thought they would going into this thing.
I guess I’m still cautiously optimistic, undoubtedly we’ve bolstered our defense with some quality depth and starters. I just can’t help myself from looking out the corner of my eye at Rodney Hudson and other OL.
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
The one OL the Skins picked - Maurice Hurt - has a Dockery profile when it comes to speed. Why this pick?
by Jefferson1935 on May 2, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
prob just throwing the fans a bone.
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I think you're right
They figured only a few O-line were better than guys we already have, and when those were gone, they just decided to look to FA/trades. Jenkins v Austin was a pure choice, or maybe they weren’t that hot on Austin.
Not getting a QB was unfortunate, but the way things worked out, they didn’t have much choice. Assuming they didn’t want Mallett at any price, they would have had to take Gabbert at 10 or Dalton or Kaepernick at 16. Gabbert might have been a close call, but nobody would have taken the latter two at 16. Later, they could have gotten Stanzi or Taylor, which would have made sense, but maybe they just didn’t like those two. And they can still get Devlin. So at QB, we missed out, but there are still a lot of other options (and I am interested in Beck).
On defense, somebody described Haslett as saying he was going to use more hybrid defenses, giving hope he would use the 4-3 a lot. He said the same thing last year, but never did it, even though that would have been the logical way to use Haynesworth. Getting Kerrigan suggests to me that Shanahan is mostly sticking with the 3-4.
Very, very good questions.
The next season will go a long way towards evaluating Shanahan’s plan for this team, esp. the OL.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
would love to see a similar draft plan next year...
except with an emphasis on the OL…does that mean we wait until 2013 to draft a QB?
I am getting more gunshy every year on the QB issue.
by Ken Meringolo on May 2, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Depends
I really think this depends on the QB play this season.
1. I have zero confidence in Rex Grossman lighting it up out there for extended periods of time, but remember, he is a talented former first round draft pick who has shown the ability to manage football games. Say he shows himself to be a competant stop-gap, assuming we re-sign him at all.
2. Pay attention to John Beck. The redskins traded for him this past year, and then signed him to an extention. The reason he didn’t play was that he had no time to learn the offense, was behind the 8 ball learning all year. Now he is back with the learning curve. Shanahan loves him, says he was his top-rated qb in the 2007 draft. Beck is 29 but has only been in the league for 3 seasons, and is essentially a oyoung QB prospect that could emerge for us.
speaking of bullet point #2
what’s with the verbal fellating Shanny gave Beck?
Anybody read anything about what Beck’s doing this summer to prepare for the offseason, or seen something in his play that warrant it? I’m coming up empty
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
It's probably just the fact that someone actually asked him about Beck.
It’s not like Beck has been an everyday topic of conversation over the past year. What was he going to say? He’s almost obligated to say positive things about him
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I heard Beck on 106.7 a month or two ago and I was really impressed
He sounded like a guy that was ready to take the reigns, spoke like he really “got” the system and said he truly believed he’s got a legitimate shot of starting next year (without throwing anyone under the bus)
I found it interesting because he sounded sincere on all points and confident not cocky.
He's definitely a bright dude, I believe he was an Academic 1st Teamer twice.
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Beck came to Fletcher's little workout
sounded happy and confident. He’s the only QB on the team if D-Mac is truly gone.
Isn't Grossman the exact opposite
of a game manager? He can make some terrific throws, but his decision making is pretty horrible, and he has a penchant for TO’s.
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by bigbluethruandthru on May 2, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Another question...
How Pissed were you when Tennessee took Jake Locker? Or were you planning on waiting to get Luck (and maybe some OL guys to protect him) next year anyway?
I was not pissed at all...didnt care for Locker at all.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on May 2, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
We could look back in a few years and say the Titans and Vikings really saved our Bacon by taking Locker/Ponder. It could go the other way too but the odds are not with those guys. Gabbert was never going to be a Redskin.
even if they end up succeeding elsewhere,
that says nothing about what of would have happened had they come here.
I ment for Shannahan...
I didn’t really have any love for Locker either, but I was just sure Shanny did. Personally I’m MUCH happier with how things turned out this year than I thought I’d be.
Pass me some Kool-Aide!
I was very happy.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
1 out of 10 pissed.
I was relieved to have him off the board. I didn’t want him, especially at #10.
That being said, it left my curious side wondering if Shanahan woulda picked him there. Guess we’ll never know.
I believe the rumors that we wanted to trade down and get Ponder far more than we were considering taking Locker at #10. Trading down was the clear number 1 priority.
Yes, I think the plan was either take Locker at 10 or trade down
Tennessee saved Mike a tough decision. I think it’s possible that they were stunned that Gabbert was still free, and simply didn’t take him because they had really not even considered him. So when you don’t know what to do, stick with the plan. It could also be that they simply didn’t like him enough to take at 10. It doesn’t matter. It was a judgement call.
Meh...
Locker is Vince Young with intangibles and without the off-field issues.
(Don’t tell my gf, she LOVES Jake Locker)
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Beck
My dream is to have Beck emerge as a legit starting QB for this team. Imagine the resources it would save/provide to this team if they didnt have to spend a high draft pick or cap dollars on a high-profile QB in the next couple years.
If Beck works out as a legit starter, we can spend all resources on other areas of need, building a strong O-Line, Defensive Front, and eventually dangerous weapons on the edges.
It would be amazing and rewarding to see a prospect that the Redskins got relatively cheaply to work out and be very successful. This sort of thing hasn’t seemed to have happened for our club much recently, so maybe we’re due.
Spending a high draft pick on a QB would happen regardless. Beck will be 30 at the start of the season.
My dream is to have Beck emerge as a legit starting QB for this team. Imagine the resources it would save/provide to this team if they didnt have to spend a high draft pick or cap dollars on a high-profile QB in the next couple years.
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Beck
Beck will be 30, but has only played 3 years in the NFL. Remember that he went to BYU, and did a mormon mission after college. He’s not a normal 30 year old QB. He’s more like a 25-26 year old with a lot of tread on the tires
With all due respect this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Your body still ages at a normal process even if you’re a Mormon. The dude got beat around starting four years at BYU, then in Miami. He has just as much wear and tear on him as any other 30 year old and his body will deteriorate at the same rate.
So was Chris Weinke equal to a 22 year old when he got drafted by the Panthers and he was like 28?
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Beck
Glad you think its dumb but its science. the more you get hit, the more wear and tear you have, the less you get hit, the less wear and tear you have.
So Tiki Barber should be the best RB in the league this year right? He's like signing a 30 year old even though he's 36?
You really think if Beck starts for a year or two and gets pounded w/ our stellar oline he won’t start feeling like a 30+ year old QB? Or am I just really confused and the goal for a Mormon Mission is actually to follow Ponce de Leon’s trail until you find the fountain of youth?
We should give Ryan Leaf a shot, he’s been taking it easy since ’01 and there is no wear and tear on his body so it will be like signing a 23 year old!
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Can't Believe...
You’re comparing the QB position to the RB position in the NFL….two completely different and disparate forms of punishment.
QB’s do not take the same kind of punishment that other positions do, and QB’s last far longer than other positions, hence why guys like Brett Favre can play well into their 30’s and guys like Clinton Portis struggle to walk right when they are 28 years old.
The flip side you are ignoring
is that he also spent two years not playing football. Probably not even practicing, unless he could get some orphans to runny skinny posts for him. Yeah he came back and played, but he has been terrible in game action so far. He hasn’t played in a real game in three years, and in the action he saw in Miami he posted a rating of 62. What am I saying, as a Giants fan the thought of John Beck as the starter makes me feel giddy.
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by bigbluethruandthru on May 2, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Particularly true for RBs, like Clinton Portis
Maybe not as true for QBs, who depend on quick thinking, eye hand coordination, reaction speed – the kind of things that deteriorate with time. But Parks, with all due respect, I can’t see knocking Beck because he’s about to reach 30. He should logically have at least 5 You can knock him for other things, though, like rustiness, lack of game experience. years left.
If I’m finding a long term solution at QB then I don’t want a guy that is 30+ years old, it just leaves you looking for another QB in 2 to 3 years to groom and get ready, that was the only point I was trying to make above. I think that’s a fair thing to knock. Starting Beck isn’t any different from starting McNabb or Grossman, we’re still going to have to restock the cupboard in a couple of years.
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And he played pretty well when he needed to
except that last game. Turned out to be a good signing, but he was older than Beck and hadn’t started a game in a decade.
Weinke played baseball in the interim
Beck was off saving orphans or something. It’s not the same wear and tear, though the difference isn’t that noticable.
actually being a Mormon can't hurt...
no alcohol. no caffiene, obviously no drugs, probably has an excellent sleep cycle and drinks lots of milk, just sayin.
But he does have to deal with multiple wives, that has to be mentally and physically exhuasting.
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Certainly makes him
less likely to get into trouble off the field. (Not that it helped Jeff Kent)
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10. Can we talk about the Center position? No? Good…because the Panthers drafted a Center and they already have a Pro-Bowler there. Is Rabach really serviceable another year or are the fans in the dark with Erik Cook and possibly Lichtensteiger or Montgomery taking over? (The Cowboys drafted 2 OL in the first 4 rounds).
Kris O’Dowd of USC, top free agent center available.
Just sayin’…
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Right, forgot about him. Def worth mentioning.
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was he not worth a 7th rd pick?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
He was def worth one.
He’s a really smart kid and was a great center when he played. Played tackle in HS, and learning to play C in USC’s pro-style offense isn’t a bad place to do it. (Same place that produced Ryan Kalil) Topped the depth chart as a frosh. Problem in college was injuries, plain and simple.
I know we’re not “supposed” to sign FAs, but the team oughta start talking to him and be ready to sign when the lockout ends.
Now, just to be clear here, I’m a bit biased cuz the kid went to my HS. Was a year ahead of my brother.
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Kendall Hunter got a 9 on the Wonderlic
Wow. I could tell he wasn’t all there when talking to him, but that’s crazy low. Guess I just answered #7 myself.
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Slightly less important in RBs,
unless you’re looking for the next Marshall Faulk.
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AJ Green got a 10
he can still catch a football, I think a low wonderlic score for a RB might be a good thing
Considering all the blocking schemes and plays…its not just as simple as..run left.
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unless you got the hogs infront of you and a drunk RB with a temper
50 GUT Run it again!
O-Line was a concern
but everyone on here knows I am someone who has little beleif in Shanahan as a Personel Guy, but I have to say I am pretty happy with that draft, got extra picks and sort of made up for the disastourous trading of picks last year.
We will have to wait and see how it pans out but at least the strategy felt right this year.
One question though, when you have back to back picks, do you just go alphabetical on picking the players, or off your board in case a trade offer comes through after your first pick? #completelyinconsequntialquestionoftheday
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