Problems With the Redskins Community
I'm going to be honest and straight forward, this is a rant and if you don't want to listen to a rant then please don't read this. But I'm sick and tired of the news/rumors/lies that comes out of Redskins Park and irresponsibly so, in my mind. This never seemed to happen pre-Snyder and happened to a lesser extent during Gibbs 2.0, and you can certainly attribute a lot of it to the internet age. But what is the goal of some of the media members and especially the old players? To totally bring down the Redskins?
I hear guys like Brian Mitchell and Lavar Arrington talk about how proud they were to be Redskins and how much they love the team, but continually find ways to hurt the team through their words. There also seems to be a slew of "bloggers/writers" that seem their only prerogative is to get a story out is fast as they can no matter if it's true or not.
This is a real problem at Redskins Park and with the organization.
I know its a journalist job to ask tough question, but the irresponsibility is getting out of hand. It's not fair that someone can sit behind a keyboard, convey a rumor, and say their sources are "players" and "team sources". Things need to be kept behind closed doors and this whole McNabb wristband thing is one of them. If a player did "leak" this then that player needs to learn how to shut up and realize how they hurting their teammates and their organization.
Hopefully this will start to change with the quality of men, teammates, and leaders he brings into the organization. Does anyone remember watching the Broncos on MNF when Shanny was there? Like when the Broncos were a staple in the playoffs every year? When the players would introduce themselves the offensive line would refuse to do so, they wouldn't even let MNF take their pictures. In fact, I believe, that any members of the line would not even talk to the media. Let's hope that translates here.
Certainly a lot of this goes square on the shoulders of Daniel Snyder in the manner in which he has handled the team. But current players and past players should have a sense of pride in this team and organization. There is a credible, hard nosed coach in the District now, who hopefully is going to take this bull. And there is also a capable general manager who generally believes in the great history of this franchise and doing things the right way. I can see older players, like John Riggins, being frustrated because they saw how great the franchise was when it was ran the right way. But a guy like Lavar Arrington? He has always been here when the team was more or less a joke, especially in the way it was run. So if he "loves" the franchise and the fans the way he says he does then he should be a supportive alumni and stop saying detrimental things that hurt the team. I think he's just here to be a local celebrity more then anything.
But this isn't about Lavar, it's about a culture that needs to be changed starting in Ashburn, VA; and I'm hoping that that culture is starting to be changed. Who are the players leaking this news? What do they have to gain out of it? Why would they do it? It's extremely frustrating. Think of incidents elsewhere, take VY-Fisher exchange in the locker room during the Redskins game. All we know is there was a confrontation and to this day Titans players REFUSE to talk in-depth about and say what went on that day. That's the way things should be, whether you agree with an individuals actions or not, these guys need to be Redskins and they need to be brothers.
I would love to get everyone's take on this and maybe I'm wrong so please feel free to disagree.
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I agree, it's too much of a circus
and I think it is a major distraction for the players.
I wish we had a penalty box for media rumors that are proven to be false
One month of radio/blog silence.
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I mean a lot the problem are with "bloggers" or what not.
They are people just like me or you or any other fan for that matter, who have gained a “following” and along they somehow miraculously gained some credibility from senseless people. These bloggers now feel like they have some sense of entitlement and somehow along the way gained a Journalism degree from the University of Missouri, or something.
That’s the best thing about Hogs Haven and why I gravitated here many moons ago. You can see your rumors and news here, but we don’t readily produce rumors or try to for that matter. This is more so a community than anywhere else, and a place where ideas, news, solutions, philosophies, etc. are discussed.
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Not quite...
They are people just like me or you or any other fan for that matter, who have gained a "following" and along they somehow miraculously gained some credibility from senseless people. These bloggers now feel like they have some sense of entitlement and somehow along the way gained a Journalism degree from the University of Missouri, or something.
There’s a difference in that they are insiders unlike 99% of the people on this list. The other side is they have is an opinion and a soap box because of that insider status and the “information age” status of the internet. Knowing current players and getting information from them is a far cry from the speculation and what-if’s posted here. It’s a reach from us keyboard coaches to being actual NFL players and finding out what’s going on inside the organization. You just have to take their opinion with a grain of salt. Believe them or not.
by DudleyDoright on May 13, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I see what you're saying and I'm mainly referring to message boards/bloggers.
Not actual journalist or a blog like Matt Terl (who does a good job). But you bring up an interesting point that sometimes the way that we digest what they write is just as much the problem as what they right. If you do get up on that soap box then I think you should have legitimate sources to back up that very public opinion or preface it as speculation. I have more of problem with the ways things are presented as facts right out of the gate. If some of these people were baseball players they’d be batting below the Mendoza line right now, but yet they still can use their “sources”.
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If you’re going to make strong accusations like that, you need to offer proof.
Newspapers are good for reporting facts. “This attack happened today” “The president said this at the white house”. But when it comes to long-form journalism or opinions and media criticism, blogging isn’t inherently less credible than traditional media. I can list you 100 ways in which “traditional” media peddled lies or didn’t live up to its journalistic responsibility. coughcoughUraniumTubescoughcough.
In many ways bloggers have to be more honest than journalists. Bloggers have nothing to put out there but their opinion and themselves. If it’s wrong, they won’t gain a wide following b/c they can’t run away from their past the way newspapers can.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
It's my personal opinion.
The reason I’m not citing actual examples is b/c I’m not here to bring down or disparage other “competing” Redskins blogs/message boards, many of which site “Insiders within Redskins Park” or “players”. I don’t want them to reveal their “sources”, but I strongly question their sources when they are continually wrong and will post anything.
If you want proof then sift around the internet, twitter, etc., you’re an educated guy you can probably put two and two together. I just think some people are on a serious power trip and have lost touch with the passion or love for the team that brought them to writing in the first place. If going out on your own isn’t enough feel free to email me, tweet me, or give me a call, I’d be more than happy to discuss it with you in a private setting.
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by Parks Smith on May 13, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
No offense dude, but if you're not going to cite examples, then you're just making broad, baseless generalizations
Generalized criticism about the legitimacy of the “the blogging community” is common but I find that it frequently falls apart under scrutiny.
Traditional media is something I’ve been studying for years and the rise of blogs has been a godsend for our republic b/c people are actually willing to question our leaders, or in this case, our clueless dipshit owner.
I agree with you that citing unnamed sources, “players” or “insiders” is a problem. But I’m not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that this is something unique to bloggers.
The WaPo virtually lives and dies by doing that shit.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I understand and agree with those points and certainly spills into mainstream media just as much.
I agree with you that citing unnamed sources, "players" or "insiders" is a problem. But I’m not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that this is something unique to bloggers.
The WaPo virtually lives and dies by doing that shit.
But I think DC has a problem with certain blogs/message boards and even writers that take things, run with it, and present it as fact. Like I said the percentage of things they rake the muck on are not correct about, and there is dwindling number of publications/writers I can believe.
Like I said, if you would like to have a private conversation then I would be more then happy to discuss it with you and hear what you have to say. But this is not the place. I don’t like putting out such a broad generalization, but I believe many fans know who/what I’m referring to. I can see in some ways how you see these particular comments are hypocritical and general, but I’m not here to publicly disparage other competitors. Please feel free to contact me.
There are some very good blogs/writers in DC that express their opinions and leave it at that.
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by Parks Smith on May 13, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it's unfair or somewhat pointless to make such statements and not be willing to back them up.
I’m not trying to pick you. Just responding honestly: if specifics can’t be mentioned, I don’t see the value in commenting on it on a public blog.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Like I said if you would like specifics then please contact me.
My goal/mission is not to bring down any rival blogs or message boards or “colleagues” , nor is that the mission of HH. I feel like I’m in a position (as is everyone else) to criticize mainstream media members, but I’m not going to publicly drag out other fans who writer but are not compensated. But I do feel as their following grows they should be held to certain standards and be somewhat responsible.
I’ll say it again… Please feel free to contact me personally, or you can keep this going here and we can keep going round and round. You may not see the value, but I think others do and have made educated guesses on who/what I’m talking about. You are a very smart guy, and I know you are more then capable of doing the same, even if you don’t agree with my opinion on the particular places.
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by Parks Smith on May 13, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
When you get down to it..
the guy that picks up the sweaty jockstraps in the locker room could have a TV show based on the interest in the Redskins. Face it… the Washington community is more into what Shanahan or McNabb or Lavar says than Obama. 24/7/365 is how it operates. Former players get their shot on the tube and in print because they know the team and what they put out is 90% opinion…not fact. As I stated above…believe it or not because you have to take a lot of what you read (or hear) with a grain of salt.
by DudleyDoright on May 14, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
really? facts? i think newspapers are good to provide support for their agenda and are limp when it doesnt lol
by les boulez bomber on May 13, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree and rec'd
I think we are moving to be a class act, but there are a few anchors that are holding back the progress. I can understand Arrington. He always placed himself above the team. But I don’t understand Brian Mitchell. I thought he was total class as a player. Perhaps the well-run organization he played for covered up his pettiness and immaturity. Either that or they bought into the Glen Beck style of media manipulation for shock and their personal gain. Either way, we should try to do our best just to ignore them. We do that and they lose.
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by Scott E on May 13, 2011 8:55 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I hear you bro
Brian Mitchell is a clown these days. I actually like the guy and have met him a few times randomly out places and he was great, but he goes to such great lengths to put Shannahan down. I stopped taking him serious after the Bears game when they were doing the comcast post game report and he named fuggin Haynesworth his MVP of the game. Uhhh did you see the game bro? Those 4 picks + a TD from Hall don’t do anything for you? Not a big deal that his jersey went into the hall of fame or anything…
Point is, Mitchell just wanted to say AH to put Shannahan down some more. I remember him saying something like, “Hall makes none of those INTs if AH isn’t in the game. And this team would have 2 more wins if Shanny played Albert more”. This coming from the same dude who was calling for credibility at ‘Skins park 2 months earlier. I appreciate his bluntness (is that a word?) but sometimes it’s just way too over the top. Same with Lavar and Dukes after we cut Larry Johnson and they said “we were a bigger mess this year than last year”. Uhh not really dude, the year before we would have held onto LJ all year instead of just cutting our loses.
At the same time, however, Shanny definitely deserves some of the blame here. I think he really underestimated the DC media and wasn’t ready for it after his tenure in Denver. He handled quite a few things poorly and I think he knows it. I really believe he will be 10x better this year with that stuff (although it will make him look like an even bigger prick). I love what Shanny did with the draft, selecting team captains. I think we will probably sign a free agent or two as well that might force us fans to do the whole “8-8 this year, buttttttt if things go our way, maybe 9-7 and a wild card!!!”. Haha, whatever, I love it, love my ’Skins, and for some reason I am actually excited to watch Beck or Grossman and the backfield of Torain, Helu, Williams, Royster. I must be insane.
I agree with your main thesis, but to give AH and BMitch some credit. That prob was AH's best game as a Redskin.
And I agree with you that Shanny needs to shoulder some of the blame. He needs to be straight or not answer the questions at all, no lies or fabrications. I don’t know if he’s just used to cushy Denver media or what. Maybe we just need to hire Ari Fleisher (sp?) or something to handle the pressers.
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I actually think that is one of the few examples I agree with Mitchell
What Hall did was nice, but if not for Big Al and Orakpo putting the heat on Cutler those 4 picks might not happen. I mean Haynesworth threw an offensive linemen into Cutler…that will make a QB a little jumpy. Haynesworth also stopped that goaline play that prevented a TD and led to a fumble. Had the Bears scored there they would have taken a lead and the momentum might have been enough to take us out of the game. Hall might have sealed the game, but Haynesworth kept the skins alive for the first 2 and a half quarters.
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Like look at this it's just crap
Can Steinberg is just the DC media tattle tale. Hilarious when Mike Wise stood up to him the other day. How do I get Steinberg’s job, just sit around and stir the pot and make fun of DC teams, all while being a bystander.
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Interesting that the WaPost AND John Keim never once tweeted or wrote about WristbandGate….has me doubting things.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on May 13, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Parks, I like the article
and I like you taking a stance on this. Well done my man.
I think some of the news were getting these days is attributed to there being to football right now. Football news is news 24/7, 365, and without football, there is little to write about, so you start to see these rediculous stories, and stupid rumore surfacing.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
Thanks man, sorry I had to take some shots at your boy.
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Hey, we're all entitled to our opinion
mine on Arrington differs from yours. Thats fine.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
Man we've really become civil
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I do agree not having football makes these stories worse
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Absolutely.
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by Parks Smith on May 13, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah yes, the regular call for everyone to shit on Lavar Arrington without actually citing any examples.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Last night is a perfect example w/ the whole wristband situation.
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the thing is that is too early to say one way or another if it is false or not
In addition to the Junkies Rich Tandler is reporting it 99% true as well.
I get you are saying somewhat that these types of stories should never come out, but if they are true it does help explain a lot about how last season went down.
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Yes, that's one good example. I agree.
But it’s just one.
If people are going to label Lavar a hater (which many people around here do), they need to have a long list of examples.
B/c many times Lavar accurately criticizes the franchise for its many mistakes, and kool aid drinkers only see it as hating.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I agree that people, especially myself, are quick to jump on him.
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by Parks Smith on May 13, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait for it......
The Lavar Leap!
Sorry….just had to…
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This is like when you call your girlfriend on some irritating crap and she says “name ONE TIME” – and of course you can’t, because it happens all the time so you don’t take down specific dates, times, places or words. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen all the times, it just means that you’re not recording every conversation.
With the girlfriend, at least when it happens the next time you can say “remember what I was talking about? this is an example.” With the radio, there is no conversation, so when Lavar goes off sure I can go “AGAIN? Geez, this is the type of thing he does that just pisses me off” … but I’m saying it to the radio, not writing it down so I can justify my disdain to people on HH. What I can do is turn the radio off or simply change stations. I have an Arrington jersey, and I really appreciate him as a LB. As a radio personality? Not so much.
by d_c_guy on May 13, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Haha so you know how I feel?
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by Parks Smith on May 13, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
What I can do is turn the radio off or simply change stations. I
Exactly.
But if people are going to label Lavar or anyone else, they should provide examples.
People can’t have it both ways. You can’t judge someone without being able to support your opinion.
Otherwise you’re no better than a blowhard radio personality.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I agree and it's certainly easier to find examples in print, rather then over the airways.
I also have disdain for Arrington ever since the Eagles game in ‘05. And frankly I can’t get over it, haha
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by Parks Smith on May 13, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
False Equivalency
Otherwise you’re no better than a blowhard radio personality.
There’s a big difference between a fan and a blowhard media personality (whether radio or any other kind). It’s the personality’s job to have an opinion and to convince others of the personality’s bona fides and the validity of his/her opinion. I’m not asking anyone to agree with me. I don’t need to be able to support my opinion to someone else’s level of satisaction in order to judge someone.
So I can absolutely judge someone’s capabilities without having to quote line and verse. Because frankly it isn’t worth my time and effort to write down or commit to memory every time Lavar (or any other BMP) does something that pisses me off or makes me roll my eyes in disbelief. These things happen virtually every time I tune in to their shows. But at this point I don’t get mad, I just leave. Changing the station/turning it off works just fine.
I know Lavar, Dukes and BMitch (as BMPs) have their fans. I don’t get it, but hey – I don’t get Justin Beiber either; to each their own. Every now and then (rarely, but it happens) they’ll say something that I agree with or seems to me to be well thought out or insightful. Sadly, the Redskins’ organization has given them lots of low hanging fruit in that regard. I don’t write those down, either.
by d_c_guy on May 13, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Everyone is welcome to hold whatever beliefs they want in their head.
But as with the Redskin fans persecution complex, the anti-Lavar crusade is largely full of non-existent arguments.
I don’t know what else to say.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Redskin nation
I must say that I agree for the most part with Park Smith’s article. I now live near Indianapolis so I get alot of the Colts news and it seems to me that from the GM on down, the organization is pretty classy. Okay like Dan, I think that the owner of the Colts is a little on the weird side…but for the most part, he knows when to say out of the fray.
As far as the present coaching staff, I must respectfuly disagree with Mr. Smith. I never wanted Shanahan. I really thought that Bill Cowher would be a better fit. If Mike is to be successful in DC he needs to put the team first. Find an offensive coordinator, not named Shanahan. Give Hasslett another year to get the defense above the NFL’s 31st defensive ranking and a decent kicker for the special teams.
If Shanahan can get these things done great, if not I believe that we skins fans won’t have to worry about his coaching style for long because he will be back in Colorado watching the games in TV.
I hear ya, but don't agree
I’d love for there to be solidarity in the locker room. But solidarity to protect ignorance, mismanagement or general stupidity is not a good thing. In fact, if everyone agreed with below mediocrity, the state of the organization would be worse off.
B Mitch and Lavar, et al. are sometimes irritating gongs but I believe necessary ones. Their feedback is needed. Things aren’t running well and that needs to be said. Often daily and repeatedly. Someone needs to cast a light in the dark corners of this franchise. When they start getting it right, these stories will disappear.
Until then, we’ll have to wallow with what we have which is a sub-par, badly-run organization that desperately needs improvement (and looks to have some on the horizon). Any and all feedback should be welcome even if it’s frustrating and disheartening.
These are very viable, good points. Great input.
But solidarity to protect ignorance, mismanagement or general stupidity is not a good thing. In fact, if everyone agreed with below mediocrity, the state of the organization would be worse off.
I completely agree with this point, but I don’t think Shanahan has any plans to be content with mediocrity or is now. If any of the “wristband” thing is true then A) Snyder should shut up. B) McNabb should wear the damn wristband if his coach asked him. C) McNabb needs to decide whether he want to stay here to try to lead a team and win OR get the hell out of town.
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by Parks Smith on May 13, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
see this is what I don't get
I’m no fan of Snyder’s, but him blowing up at Shanahan I feel is completely justified. Mike Shanahan is supposed to be a HOF coach (i wouldn’t put him there but I think others would), and he is the 2nd highest paid coach in the league. I’m sorry but is there a HOF coach that would accept his QB telling him no in that situation?? What would current coaches like Belicheck, Tomlin or Rex Ryan do? And if I’m Snyder and I’m paying Shanhan $ 7 million, he better be able to do what Jim Zorn got Campbell to do at a fraction of the price. Not to mention, if this happened before they signed McNabb to that ridiculous extension, then he has even more reason to be mad, b/c he shelled out $3.5 million in a signing bonus last year, and one way or another McNabb will cost something against the cap this year. Now it is possible it didn’t happen until after, but it would seem odd that the Shanahan didn’t realize McNabb was struggling until Week 10.
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by Steve Shoup on May 13, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you, and this is a direct trickle effect.
My goal here isn’t to talk about “Wristband-gate” but to quickly touch on it. I’ve been the biggest McNabb apologist here, but if McNabb is to “above” wearing a wristband or worrying about what people think about him wearing it, then he needs to go.
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by Parks Smith on May 13, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not justified at all. It's micromanaging.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
disagree it is after the fact and after the season.
How many coaches would be fired on the spot if they didn’t tell their owner that a player they just shelled out millions too and promised more (as well as built an entire media campaign around) refused to put the team above himself…the quarterback no less.
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by Steve Shoup on May 13, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
How a coach handles his team is not up to the owner
All the owner should care about is W/L, and players not publicly embarrassing the franchise by beating women or whatever.
A coach disciplining his QB over a wristband is compeltely micromanaging, almost by definition.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I disagree, Smutsy
In this case, it is an issue between the HC and the QB, who is getting paid big bucks to be a leader. D-Mac created a disciplinary issue and put his ego ahead of the team. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Even though I feel I would be a very hands off owner, I would want to know exactly WTF was going on if I heard anything about something like this. JMO
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
that's painting a very generous portrait of the situation
if this report is true, Snyder was doing far more than a fact-finding mission, if you know what I mean.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
How is that micromanaging?
A coach disciplining his QB over a wristband is compeltely micromanaging, almost by definition.
If the player doesn’t properly know the playbook then he should wear the learning tool or be reprimanded. If someone just blatantly refuses to learn the playbook should they be allowed to play? And if they were reprimanded is that micromanaging? In my eyes, what you see as micromanaging, is a good thing on the football field.
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by Parks Smith on May 13, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not like the issue
is about a kicker complaining that he wants to practice with a red tee vs a yellow tee. This is totally serious and in the end, D-Mac not learning the system was simply not doing what he is paid to do and in that sense he is no better than AH. Of course, D-Mac handled it better than AH would have so I give him some credit there.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
wasn't talking about disciplining mcnabb. was talking about Snyder getting invovled.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Well this is what I was replying to:
A coach disciplining his QB over a wristband is compeltely micromanaging
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by Parks Smith on May 13, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, I typed too fast
It should have said
An owner getting involved in a coach disciplining his player…
Yeah, I completely changed the meaning. I agree with you.
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Gotcha, no worries
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by Parks Smith on May 13, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, that is different.
But if it’s my $10M QB who’s becoming a problem, I’m definitely interested in what’s going on.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
What about the coaches script of plays? The wristband is not a learning devise, but a reminder.
by Jefferson1935 on May 13, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what this wristband is typically for and was probably for that no one has mentioned?
THE HURRY UP OFFENSE! That is when it came blatantly obvious when Donnie Mac was struggling with playcalling. It’s a device to a) know the plays, b) to get the plays in quicker.
Jefferson, it’s usually a color/number coded device. They don’t put the initial drive play script on it to my knowledge. If he doesn’t know the offense and needs help learning it then this is certainly a learning device until he does learn it.

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unless the coach didn't discipline the player
Look at how much Snyder had to pay McNabb in both money and draft picks, and you mean to tell me Shanny can’t handle him. Jeez at least Big Al played at an All-pro level while he was fighting with Shanahan, McNabb sucked and you better believe someone needs to step in at that point.
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An owner getting involved in disciplining players for practice/playbook/wristband issues is micromanaging
it is simply outside the job description of a competent owner.
if it’s a chronic problem, then Snyder can reprimand Shanahan.
But if true, this is Snyder completely bypassing the chain of command (© Lt. Daniels). it’s the definition of micromanaging.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I don't entirely agree with this
It might be micromanaging but the 2 minute drill was a huge problem with Zorn and was the first thing the media picked up on even when we were winning in the first year. It’s my personal belief that Snyder brought Shannahan in to be a coach completely in control of his players and if Shannahan isn’t doing that, it is perfectly acceptable for Snyder to get on his case for it.
Also, to my knowledge, we don’t know the entire transaction that happened behind closed doors. All we know is Snyder talked to Shannahan about it. Once the media picks up on this detail, it can run any direction with it it wants, which is why I think Parks is a little frustrated about the whole situation. We shouldn’t even be talking about this to be honest. Snyder and Shannahan’s conversations aren’t any of our business unless they comment on it.
by Nobetterthenbob on May 13, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no problem with constructive criticism
Problem is these guys are doing a daily show and need to make money. So the pressure is there to rant and demean rather than to actually do the hard work an investigative journalist does. What this means is we have to take it all with a grain of salt, or as someone said turn them off if they are adding to the problem and not the solution.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Yeah. If anyone is listening to talk radio and hoping for anything other than rants and gossip, I feel for them.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
A fish rots from the head first
What do people expect? Snyder’s martinet ways have alienated so many Redskins staffers that it’s not surprise that leaks happen…just like in politics, it’s done to embarrass the leader. Our Napoleonic owner has made too many enemies and is now paying the price.
Another problem is that Snyder’s eyes are filled with dollar signs. That’s why this team has spent so much on free agents and ignore their character problems. These guys don’t have the character that the guys in Denver had under Shanny.
Great post and rec'd!
Since I don’t live in the DMV anymore, the wapo and millions of blogs used to be my only connection to Redskin related news. Now, it has dwindled down to here and…..,well, here. Can’t stand the negativity and bullshit thats spewed out of “insider’s” mouths. I don’t want to hear drama, I’ve got a wife for that. Give me actual news, and spirited debate. I don’t care about the he said she said.
What the shit
Are you saying there are no other fan-run Redskin/DC blogs that deal in opinion and news, not gossip?
Beg to disagree.
For starters:
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
It takes two to shovel shit
One to shit, and one to shovel it (unless you are shoveling your own). That is to say, if this team would stop producing rumor garbage from the top down, then there would be less to shovel.
The Redskins need to stop producing this crap, and the recent infusion of hardworking stand-up youth is a great step in that direction. I just hope Shanny doesn’t become another casualty of Danny’s impatience. We’re only going into year two of this overhaul.
But yes, I agree with your message Parks. If the local media and Redskins alumni don’t want to support their football team, they need to shut up. This team is trying to make a comeback, and they aren’t helping one bit.
I agree
If the local media and Redskins alumni don’t want to support their football team, they need to shut up.
Just be careful not to equate criticism with ‘not supporting your team.’
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Thank you, this was my (one of) my main points that I was trying to convey.
If the local media and Redskins alumni don’t want to support their football team, they need to shut up.
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by Parks Smith on May 13, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Only a moron will support something based on blind faith
The only things coming out of redskins park have been crap and more crap. Everything from what they put on the field to what they do off the field. All we have been given for the past 10 years has been crap so why is everyone so pissed that radio TALK shows are ranting about it. Its not like we have any clarity into the locker room or the front office to prove them wrong. If you want the media to stop kicking the team in the balls then the team needs to fix it.
If the bloggers and media weren’t so vocal then Snyder will continue to hand us shit and take our money.
by Venthril on May 13, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think isn't calling for the media to stop bitching/ranting about Snyder, that's not the point here.
Only a moron will support something based on blind faith
Then I guess this world is full of 6 Billion + morons.
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a LOT of people conflate ranting with not supporting the team
trust me.
personally.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
rec a million times.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I think there are a number of reasons for this
1: I think the media scrutiny in DC for football rivals just about any city’s. We have multiple papers (including ones not in DC) covering the team, as well as two radio stations, a TV station, and a number of connections to ESPN.
2. There is such a disparity between our football coverage and all the other sports combined. Yes I understand the NFL is more popular, but come on. We hang on every word of every Redskin, coach or personnel guy, because the Post has like 7 reporters covering the team. Now at times that can be good, but it also leads to 600 Haynesworth missing OTA stories (how many stories was the Boston Globe writing about Tom freaking Brady skipping OTA’s). Or the 6,000 stories on the McNabb benching and agent squabble.
3. I think too often the media plays favorites. They had no issue roasting Zorn, Campbell, Haynesworth, Snyder, Portis, Shanhans’ McNabb benching…but they give papel decree to bringing in Shannahan (it was a good move, but really lets not lay down the palm branches), McNabb trade (for all the dozens of professional media outlets, not a single one really questioned the trade, from a fit standpoint, a value standpoint, etc.), the signing of numerous over the hill FA’s last year (you saw little criticism for signing all these washed up D-linemen, RB’s, WR’s and such). And compare how the media took Jim Zorn and company to school for every bad offensive performance, but allows Mike Shanahan a pass???
There’s no consistency in reporting and I think that is really a shame, and leads us to the ‘he said, she said’ stories.
4. I think it is the way this organization is run is the biggest reason these stories happen and stay in the news (or blow up so big).
There are way too many egos on this team.and while it started up top with Dan Snyder and Vinny, we have it in players, coaches as well. Greg Blatche refusing to speak to the media…The Haynesworth saga…dude might be a prick but that got nearly as much coverage as the Royal wedding, the McNabb benching…then resigning him to an overpriced deal…then benching him again. I mean some of these egos need to be checked at the door, and they have to realize that they need to handle things better.
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Chad Dukes sucks far worse than LaVar.
He is a spineless pawn whose voice and idiotic viewpoints has honestly driven me to the point that I do not listen to their show anymore.
Everyone is complicit, from blowhard media personalities, to kool aid drinking fans, to underperforming players, and most significantly, to our bumbling owner
But the path to respect and integrity is a simple one:
Win.
Start putting a good product on the field, year in and year out, and none of this b.s. will be an issue.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Agree with the article
there are too many leaks, too much gossip. It’s almost certainly not coming from Snyder or Snyders’s staff – he is almost always the victim. There’s no basis for calling him a martinet or having a Napoleonic complex – that stuff is the result of the very gossip and leaks Parks correctly decries. Some of the gossip might come from somebody around Shanahan, partly because Shanahan himself seems to like playing the press. It seems to me that someone associated with Shanahan was leaking Mike’s version of things in both the Haynesworth and McNabb cases. The Redskins aren’t alone – leakers, people with an ax to grind, infest government, too.
On the wristband – probably the usual – a small grain of truth mixed with malignant garbage. It’s quite possible Shanahan suggested a wristband and Donovan was reluctant. But the alleged events at a meeting with Shanahan, Allen, Smith and Snyder present (now actually reported on Yahoo) never happened – they are organizationally and managerially impossible – you would have to think Snyder was a complete idiot to talk as the article alleged. There’s no way Snyder would even comment on the wristband thing, much less criticize Shanahan. There is one possibility that could lend a grain of truth to the incident – that Snyder was joking – obvious to everybody that he was joking – everybody would laugh. And as to the Snyder comment itself – who could have seen it happen? Even if it happened, who observed the dinner conversation? A waiter? Would Shanahan, Snyder or Allen leaked it? Or Smith? Not likely, because it hurt them all.
He IS egotistical. I don't know how you justify not believing it.
He publicly berates and abuses subordinates.
He micromanages.
He wilfully ignored zoning laws.
He underpaid his fucking maid.
He sued a no name newspaper and in a completely counter productive move, kept it in the news months after it was forgotten about.
He send a goddamn pint of ice cream to his def. coordinator because he “doesn’t like vanilla football”.
He made his fucking coach go over the game plan with him each week? Who does that? Think the Rooneys, Irsays, Lurie, Mara or Kraft does that shit? Notice a pattern of success with those franchises?
Feel free to predict that maybe going forward he’s changed, but his history is well established and you should really stop pretending like it’s a figment of haters’ imagination.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Looks like Smutsy and Donnio
Have completely bounded the Dan thingy. Not bad, actually.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Yeah, not much point in arguing it anymore
but Smuts – do you really think the dinner/wristband/Snyder incident happened? If so, do you also agree that Shanahan’s job could be in jeopardy if things turn really sour this season? If Snyder is like you say, man, anything can happen.
Do I think Snyder publicly berated a subordinate in a fit of ego and micromanaging?
Yes, yes I do think it’s possible.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I'm a fan of Steinberg.
Our school has a program where we intern at an organization in February for two weeks. We contacted him because he was on the list of previous internships. He said that although he didn’t think that it had worked out well last time and he wasn’t doing it again, he would be happy to let me sit with him in the press box at the Tampa Bay Redskins game. I met him outside the stadium, went to the Press Box, met guys like Jason Reid and Matt Terl, who were all very nice like Steinberg. Then, I sat next to Tom Boswell and he would always tell me this play or that play happened because of X or Y. It was so interesting. Steinberg was gracious and even mentioned me in one of his blog posts. So I don’t know about how he treats DC teams, but he certainly is a great guy.
by Andrew DeFrank on May 13, 2011 12:25 PM EDT reply actions
the bernard hopkins comment was a worse report. that was just a racist remark with no bearing to football other than referencing mcnabb. it’s a real turn off that makes me wonder why i stop by.
it depends what this site wants to represent and stand for. if it is all skins all the time. well, then the useless crap gets mixed in the fold and ur good work is diluted and u are less respected. does that translate to more page views? i dont know. because u arent selective, i plug this site into a reader so i can screen out the crap. so i dont see the ads. so it does not translate to more money from me.
personally, i would prefer this site were more selective. it’s one thing to ponder a what if scenario. and rumors are fine. but it is another to report falsely on someone without anything substantive to support it. SO it is the negative rumors that i think is pond scum reporting. why imply mcnabb is an idiot because he has to wear an arm band to remember the plays. he is not a good qb imho, but he is probably not an idiot. i think the good analysis you do here is excellent. but because u dont filter yourself and report negative rumors on people, i really think alot gets lost in the mix. and you devalue your work and come across as amateur reporters. which is a shame because there is more than enough good work to garner serious respect.. so i hope u can take a stand and stop the negative rumors. the skins provide plenty of negative reports all on their own!
by les boulez bomber on May 13, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions
Smuts can tell you that you are missing some really good deals on Gucci hand bags, you should temporarily stop your footsteps sometime
i plug this site into a reader so i can screen out the crap. so i dont see the ads. so it does not translate to more money from me.
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And I hate to break it you man, but I am a amateur reporter.
I’m not paid, and even saying I’m a reporter is a huge stretch. I mean I did a piece last week called “Picking Boogers”, I think if you’re looking for hard hitting journalism then you’re in the wrong place. This is a community of fans more than anything else.
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we are the victims of ourselves and Danny's Media control..
I know it sucks when you dont hear what you wanna hear about OUR team. The fact of the matter is this.
For one thing, if you dont like what you are hearing or reading from a media source you have the power to TURN the Channel or close the web browser! No one is forcing you to listen or read the material. You can then go about your life believing that OUR team if full of unicorns and glitter. I will agree that what some of these say is not gospel. Its not. The job of a radio guy is to get people to listen and call into their particular channel or read the blogs they are writting. You have to take what they say and draw you own conclusion.
I personally like the fact that there is now a media souce out there that is above Danny Boy’s propaganda. His radio and TV shows are a joke. They dont put any heat on doing what is right for the betterment of the team. Danny Boy was able to sit back in rake in the profits of what was at one time the most profitable sports franchise in the country. I can almost bet that 106.7 The Fan is probably one of the main reasons that Snyder has taken a back seat to the managment of this team. Arrington & Dukes put the screws to the core of headshed in the redskins control strings.
Until 106.7 come to be, there was literally no one that was publically calling out the franchise on their dumb moves. Every year we were let down at the end of the season but were always lured in by some big off season add to the team. He had his people telling you and I that everything is better now “look at what we did”. Well now all of the sudden he is letting go of the reins. If no one is there to put the screws to the powers that be then the powers will never make the needed changes. Its true in politics, its true in business, and its damned true to the Washington Redskins!
" IF YoU Are aRgUinG WiTh ME, YOU ArE WRonG!!!! "
How often do we need to rehash this "organizational boobery" discussion?
We all know the franchise is a wreck. Of course that’s the problem. It’s poorly operated from top to bottom. The emphasis isn’t on running a business “the right way”. The emphasis is on making money and winning football games. The organization certainly doesn’t win a lot of games and I am quite skeptical regarding this teams P&L.
Unfortunately, the organization needs to be built around certain values necessary in all businesses before it can truly achieve success. Leadership must lead – respecting and valuing employees, customers, partners, and the community. Transparency is part of that. The only reason you have these rumors is because the organization tries to hide all of its blemishes – which are vast. Take away the curtain and the rumors disappear. That takes guts because once you’re organization is transparent, reporters and bloggers can really focus on analysis. They’re no longer digging for scoops. Rather, they are weighing all of the information and presenting their own opinions on how to move forward. That can be dangerous for this organization, but it is a penance they must go through in order to come out better in the end.
So, yes. The issue is with the Redskins organization. It’s a poorly run business regardless of its income statement. Its product is a mess and they’ve only recently begun to place any value on their customers. Anyone who has any type of study in organizational behavior, theory, or design could tell you Dan Snyder flunked out of business school. That’s not an attack on Snyder, per se. But it is readily apparent the basic concepts of how to build a strong, successful organization are alien to Redskins leadership.
As for this whole wrist band business, who cares? The team stinks. The team doesn’t stink because McNabb didn’t wear plays on his wrist. The team stinks because the organization stinks. If the organization didn’t stink, the team would be stable and the wrist band is of no consequence at all. It’s all so tiresome.
Considering Lavar and his opinions – I’m not a huge fan. Lavar strikes me as someone who tends to think he’s just a little bit smarter than he actually is. I find most of his “insightful” analyses to be shallow at best. But this was his home. This is the team that drafted him. This is the community in which he has chosen to make his home. He has every right to “love” the Redskins, whether he played during an era of management boobery or not. So for once, I will defend Lavar. That said, I’d much rather listen to Brian Mitchell speak on the radio – someone whose analysis really does contain depth and insight.
I don't know, I just keep going back to how he handled things at the end.
From Don Banks:
Nice timing, LaVar Arrington. If you weren’t already persona non grata within the organization, you are now. Holding court on your future during the week leading up to the Redskins’ biggest game since 1999 is exactly why you’re considered part of the problem rather than part of the answer in D.C. Arrington has waited six seasons to play for a postseason berth, and he picks this week to make it all about him.
If he would of left a little more gracefully then it would be different.
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We'll never have full disclosure...
but this is part of the problem. Don Banks blames Lavar. I blame the organization for its season long crusade in character defimation. They painted Lavar as injured, stupid, then disruptive and selfish. Even if all of that was true (I don’t believe it was) the organization created the problem. Had the organization treated Arrington with any respect, had they been forthright with the media surrounding the issue, then Arrington never would have been a distraction by holding court on his future during a big week. At the root, this is an organizational issue.
As I mentioned before – I’m not a Lavar fan. But, he shouldn’t be blamed for his rocky separation with the team. He may hold some blame. He may have made poor choices. But the ultimate issue is an organization that not only failed to show respect to an employee, but actively campaigned to disparage him in what I consider an ill-advised attempt to gain customer support.
Jay - totally disagree
the business is not a wreck, not poorly run, the team doesn’t stink. Snyder has made some mistakes and had some bad luck on coaches. Spurrier couldn’t switch to the pros, Joe Gibbs left us after 4 years, poor Jim Zorn was totally unqualified, and Shanahan may be past his prime. I wonder if Bill Cowher is ready to come back to coaching?
W/L during Snyder's tenure says otherwise.
Argue that he’s turned a corner, but the last decade speaks for itself.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Does anyone else remember this?
Does anyone remember watching the Broncos on MNF when Shanny was there? Like when the Broncos were a staple in the playoffs every year? When the players would introduce themselves the offensive line would refuse to do so, they wouldn’t even let MNF take their pictures. In fact, I believe, that any members of the line would not even talk to the media. Let’s hope that translates here.
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Now my head is about to explode
ARRINGTON said his “boys” on the team were part of the sources for this whole McNabb thing and now he writes this?
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Vaild points and Good Post
Parks I must admit this was a great post not that my .02 cents mean anything. I know we see things a little different on some points, but you made a great point in supporting your team. The Lavar thing is something I know that had a lot to do with the way he was screwed out of his contract and not to mention they way he was treated when he was released.
Unlike some folks I support him because he made a good pick against the Lions for a TD and he laid the wood to end Troy Aikman career. Lavar played his heart out for this organization and he was always helping the inner city kids.
B. Mitchell story is the same way he played his heart out for this organization and was discarded like a old rag doll. You right that mistakes were made and a changed is needed. This Organization need to bury the bone and make amends with former players and the fans.
On Lavar and Brian
I make allowances. They have a lot of time to fill, and are mainly commentators – they’re being paid for having opinions, so have to take sides. They are not reporters or journalists, aren’t really trained to get the facts, verify, etc. You just can’t believe everything they say.
4- Real
I am so glad someone else feels this way . First let me say a lot of the heat this organization has taken they earned.
But this thing with these statements from unnamed sources, and the coverage by former players has worn out it’s welcome. And I wonder if there isn’t some connection between the two sometimes.
The two mentioned in this article Lavar & B-Mitch are two players I have nothing but respect for as former players but the tenures as talk radio host have been ugly to say the least IMHO. They both proclaim to love & respect the Redskin organization. But in my opinion the organizations the now are affiliated with are pimping them out.
The radio stations have taken two of the players they know earned the respect of a lot of fans who left the organization under some effed up circumstances and given them an open forum on the Redskins…And they love the results…a disgruntled fan base & two disgruntled former players “a perfect marriage” for talk radio
I agree that there exits where handled poorly at best by the Redskins…. But it’s time to let it go….The circumstances under which they left the organization was not exclusive to them it happens all the time in all organizations it may not be fair but what is ?
Honestly if and when this team becomes a winner again how long do you think Lavar and Mitchell will last if they remain the same. Changes have been made..Snyder for what it’s worth took ownership of the responsibility for the mistakes and Allen took the first step torward bringing former players back into the fold. It’s time to move on…

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