What The Redskins Can Expect Back in a 1st Round Trade

by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 5, 2011 1:01 PM EDT in Redskins 2011 Draft

Given the myriad of holes on the Redskins ~~offense~~ ~~defense~~ roster and the missing 3rd (Jammal Brown) and 4th (McNabb) round picks, it's obviously in Shanahan's best interest to trade back. Based on the NFL pick value chart, the Redskins' 10th round pick is worth 1300 points. Looking at the draft board, the following teams seem to stand out as trade-back partners:

STL Rams leapfrog 4 spots to draft Julio Jones before the Texans do at #11.
The Rams pick is worth 1100 points, so a 200 point difference would get us the #14 pick and a mid 3rd round pick. (I like the sound of that)
The Patriots leapfrog 7 spots to draft Julio Jones.
Belichick has 2 first round picks (17 and 28). It's rumored he wants to trade #28 for more picks, but the Pats need a stud WR. Belichick generally likes veteran WRs, but Brady is no Spring chicken. If this were to happen, the point difference would return the Redskins a mid-2nd round pick or two 3rds (both of which the Pats have an abundance of).

With rookie salaries definitely being on the cheap, the risk to trade up financially is a lot less, which puts playoff-caliber teams all in play (Jets, Bears, Falcons). Any team that trades from the back of the 1st round would return the Redskins that pick, and a 2nd and 3rd (assuming 2012 picks are not in the mix). I'm still hoping Vegas does a prop bet that the Redskins trade back, I'd put a couple hundred on that.

Oh, and with it being the 1-year anniversary of the McNabb trade, I found the perfect hat for Shanahan to wear for the rest of the month...

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I really like the idea of trading back with the Pats

Our #10 for their #17 plus their late 2nd rounder which sits at #60. The Pats would still have their late first rounder plus early 2nd rounder. Then our picks would look like #17, #41, #60. There’s 3 potential starters right there. If Shanny really wanted to get cute he could probably trade back again with the Seahawks from #17 to #25 and see what he could get out of Seattle.

by jeffco01 on Apr 5, 2011 1:18 PM EDT reply actions

Agreed

The Skins need the picks to be more productive and flexible, and the Pats could provide that flexibility!

by Big Spoon on Apr 6, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions

I prefer the trade with the Rams.

Because I’m still partial to getting Locker, and I don’t like the idea of the Jaguars and Dolphins picking before us.

That said, maybe the Shanahan’s like Ponder more, in which case I like both trade scenarios.

by SSBlitz on Apr 5, 2011 1:45 PM EDT reply actions

I don't think either of those teams would take Locker.

I am more concerned by the Vikings.
Jags are going to stick to Garrard and the Dolphins may see Chad Hennie in Locker, and they already have him.

Skins rule

by Horcasitas4 on Apr 5, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm more worried about the Jags than the Phins

Garrard is getting up there in age.

by SSBlitz on Apr 5, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions

For what it's worth...

I am pretty sure if Del Rio doesn’t make the playoffs this year he is gone. How that affects his decision about bringing in Rook QB I don’t know.

by MagicHat on Apr 5, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions

SSBlitz - same thought - if Shanahan wants Locker

we possibly need the 14 (17 not being good enough). A wild thought that would take some nimble thinking: trade for 14, then, if for some reason we felt Miami would not take Locker, trade that 14 to NE, if Jones was still available. 150 points vs 200, but NE might go for it anyway, for Jones.

by Donnio1234 on Apr 5, 2011 2:23 PM EDT reply actions

The only problem with that logic is...

if you trade 10 to the Ram’s 14, they will be taking Jones. No question about it. So that basically would rule out the trade with the Patriots.

by crashoveride01 on Apr 5, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Or if AJ fell

by SSBlitz on Apr 5, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions

If AJ falls then we should take him.

In an even faster time than it took Zorn to pick Orakpo.

Skins rule

by Horcasitas4 on Apr 5, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Either works for me - we just need more picks

by aFan4Life on Apr 5, 2011 2:38 PM EDT reply actions

Here's a disaster scenario....

Von Miller drops to #9….

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 5, 2011 2:59 PM EDT reply actions

How Could That Happen?

There is no way Von Miller drops down to 9

by StephanHart on Apr 5, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions

prob never

just saw it b/c of this http://twitter.com/#!/WesBunting/statuses/55343043179593728

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 5, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions

A good option could be San Diego

if someone fell to 10 that they really wanted. They have 2 2nd rounders and we could get #18 and #50 for an even value trade. Pick up Phil Taylor at 18 and and have 2 second rounders to address the OL, DL and/or QB.

by HogHunter on Apr 5, 2011 4:54 PM EDT reply actions

I would love that. San Diego would really have to be targeting someone though. Not sure who it would be.

Julio? They already have VJax but maybe for insurance?

by jeffco01 on Apr 5, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Well here's an idea, but you all will hate it. Hear me out:

We all know that we’re not going to contend this season, and we also know that draft picks are at an absolute premium right now, because there is no alternative. So, here’s the plan:

We trade our first round pick for a first and second next year, as well as our 2nd round pick for a 1st and 3rd next year. In fact, we could trade all of our picks for nearly double their value next year. The 5ths and 6ths for 3rds next year, etc. We’ll trudge through a season of mediocrity, probably gaining us the first pick in next’s year’s draft (aka Andrew Luck) and we’ll have 7 more picks in the first 3 rounds to play with. We’re talking 10 starters out of next year’s draft if we can pull it off. Imagine jumping from the top pick in the draft to championship contention – now wouldn’t that be a sight?

by TheDeepBall on Apr 5, 2011 5:22 PM EDT reply actions

2nd for a 1st and third will never happen.

The scenario is rely upon the incompetence of the other GMs, it will never happen.

Skins rule

by Horcasitas4 on Apr 5, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Actually,

in a standard scenario a 2nd is worth a 1st in a trade for future picks. Because there’s such a premium on draft picks this year , getting a 3rd as well is very plausible. There are a lot of teams hurting for picks right now. Finding a trade partner wouldn’t be as hard as you think.

by TheDeepBall on Apr 5, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions

But we would have to trade more than just a second round pick for an extra third.

And getting nothing out of this year’s draft won’t please anyone, including our FO.

Skins rule

by Horcasitas4 on Apr 5, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions

I doubt it.

There will be a team desperate enough for the #41 pick this year, I assure you.

by TheDeepBall on Apr 5, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Well, I hope you are right

Skins rule

by Horcasitas4 on Apr 5, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Deep - Just no way Shanahan and Allen (or Snyder) would think like that

We gotta win now, don’t concede even one game, much less the season. Don’t even think of 2012.

by Donnio1234 on Apr 5, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions

You realize that

the win now perspective has cost the Redskins the last 10 seasons and all of their credibility?

by TheDeepBall on Apr 6, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions

What it?

What if no body wants to trade back? If I’m St. Louis I like my chances just fine @ #14 for Julio Jones. Houston, Detroit, Minnesota have other pressing needs. I wouldn’t be super concerned about either of those teams grabbing a WR, especially if A.J. Green slips. Then what’s the plan if we have to stay put and no trade is available. Our best shot would be if one of the top 3-4 rated guys takes a huge plummet.

by Copious 1 on Apr 5, 2011 5:39 PM EDT reply actions

It's more worry about another team trading ahead of them than the current teams taking Julio.

by SSBlitz on Apr 5, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Don't forget the Cowboys

Their position is a little better than ours, because the Redskins are the “wildcard” of the draft. No one know who the Skins are taking because of our abundance of needs. They can get Tyron Smith @14 or 17 on down to #25 or so. They are a more realistic trade partner for someone wanting Julio. Especially since they have all of their draft picks and most likely won’t drive as hard a bargain. I think there is a 30% chance we are able to trade back at best.

by Copious 1 on Apr 5, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions

It could happen but the Cowboys aren't a threat to take a WR and the price would be higher for the 9th pick.

Shanahan is openly shopping the 10th pick.

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by Diesel44 on Apr 5, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Dallas is also sort of a wild card

We know they need a CB and a OT, but with Jerry Jones you cannot rely on logic to predict who he will pick.

Skins rule

by Horcasitas4 on Apr 5, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions

I hate the Cowboys slightly less than cancer. F Cancer.

But Jerry has a very talented roster that he’s assembled.

I consider myself a one man wolfpack..@Diesel__44 on twitter.

by Diesel44 on Apr 5, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Most say they are going OL, usually OT, Tyron Smith

Sorry if I got the name wrong – can’t remember the details from all the mock drafts.

by Donnio1234 on Apr 5, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions

My money is on the Patriots trading up.

They are a win now team with picks to spare. We need picks badly, and sitting at 10 puts us in prime position to maneuver. Redskins-Patriots trade…….oh yea…..I can deal with that. They need quality, we need quantity.

by JDC15 on Apr 5, 2011 9:41 PM EDT reply actions

Sometimes

During Shanahan’s out of work travel, the two teams he visted Patriots and Steelers.

Shanahan, who last week attended Pittsburgh Steelers training camp practices, spent time speaking with Patriots senior football adviser Floyd Reese and owner Robert Kraft at the practice

August 2009.

by dr WNC on Apr 5, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions

The more picks the better. Redskins need quantities at this point.

Holes all over the field plus, not sure what the new CBA will have in it. This could limit the free agent possibilities. In fact, I would hope the Redskins would be smart and trade down twice and get an additional 2nd and two third round picks.

The Skins need help on the lines and this draft is not top heavy in offensive linemen. They should trade down to around 20 and see if they can get the 3 additional picks. The DT at Baylor might still be there. There are a lot of quality DE’s in the draft.

As for QB, I would wait until the 3rd round. Christian Ponder will probably be there. He’s going to be a much better pro than Locker. Too many red flags on Locker.

5 picks in the first 3 rounds:
1st Round: Defensive Line
2nd Round: OL
2nd Round: OL
3rd Round: QB
3rd Round: RB

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by pfhokie on Apr 7, 2011 10:45 AM EDT reply actions