Dear Mike Shanahan, From Mike Mayock.
We're coming up to Mike Shanahan's second draft with the Redskins, and most of us are waiting with bated breath to see if he can set our franchise in the right direction. Is it just me, or is Vinny Cerrato basically our Dick Cheney? Back to Shanahan: he had some very impressive drafts right before leaving Denver, but the jury is still out on last year's picks (not counting McNabb, Jarmon, or Brown - I mean college player evaluation). Trent Williams is the obvious bright spot, playing most of the season against elite level rushers. He had flashes of awesomeness, but also showed his freshness at times. Regardless, most fans would agree that he is a quality addition to our team.
But he hasn't always been the fan favorite. If you remember a little over a year ago, he wasn't "projected" to go #4 in the draft to the Redskins. He was widely believed to be the 2nd best tackle after Russell Okung. Hogs Haven was littered with mock drafts and prayer letters for Shanahan to draft Russell Okung and save our decade-long lineman drought.
One man didn't see the title "Top Rated" as an end-all in draft evaluation. If you don't know him, Mike Mayock is the only analyst you should consider listening to about draft evaluations. He rated Okung higher than Williams, but emphasized that Williams was a close second. He even went so far as to say that Washington, if given the chance, would likely take Williams over Okung, because of his potential in Mike Shanahan's unique zone-blocking scheme. Fans and bloggers heard Mayock said this, but most were still shocked when Washington took the tackle at #4 (partly because we forgot what drafting a lineman in the 1st felt like).
Well Mike Mayock has another message for Mike Shanahan: draft Jake Locker with the #10 overall pick. He fits your unique scheme. He will watch more film than anybody. Elway agrees with his own subtle hints. Maybe last year was a coincidence, and Shanahan took no stock in what Mayock had to say. Chances are, they are just two very intelligent people who came to the same deduction on player evaluation. But regardless of whether Mike Shanahan is listening, Mike Mayock is definitely sending out the message. Hard. Listen to what he has to say about the QB draft prospects in this new NFL.com video. He is more open and honest than I normally hear analysts, especially saying an almost outright "no" to Cam Newton. For Redskins though, the message comes through loud and clear. Watch from 2:00 on - Dear Mike Shanahan, draft Jake Locker at #10.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d81f7893d/Mayock-evaluates-the-2011-QB-class
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Wow, he's literally saying "Take this guy! he's the best fit for your offense"
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Apr 25, 2011 11:17 PM EDT reply actions
Sounds good to me
Locker with our first pick – 10, 14 or 17.
Locker with our first pick – 10, 14 or 17.
You’ve worked out some deals?
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Just acknowledging that those trade downs to 14 or 17 have been talked about and are possible
E.g., I just read an article about how NE allegedly wants to trade up. But the war room scenario is very possible, I don’t dispute it at all. My only point was that I’d do whatever it took to get Locker. And that’s a close call. I can also see us waiting till our second or even third pick to take a QB, assuming that one of Locker, Ponder, Mallett or Kaepernick will still be there. I have the luxury of liking various scenarios, whereas Shanahan and Allen have to make one decision in the real world. I respect all the different choices you and Tiller and Diesel and the others make, and just hope that Shanahan picks the right one.
A Comparison That Makes Jake Locker Seem Both More And Less Appealing
“[Brett] Favre went in the second round, right? If you look at their college stats, Favre and Locker are practically identical. Now look at this play: Tell me this guy doesn’t move like Favre, scramble like Favre, throw like Favre. Pretend he has the number four on his jersey. His release is a lot like Favre, too.”Dave Razzano
Favre was a freak
He was recruiting to Southern Miss as a safety and only ended up at QB because of multiple injuries. He was also a guy who really could take his team on his back and win the game. Favre beat Florida State at home, back when that was about as rare as an honest politician. He beat a couple other very high profile teams too, with talent that makes last year’s Washington team look like national champions. You can’t just compare the stats and expect this kid to turn out that way.
I have problems with mutiple things here.
Mayock isn’t the only draftnik worth listening to. Wes Bunting knows his stuff, and there are others. Second, it totally depends on your view of Dick Cheney, doesn’t it? ;-) Third, Locker doesn’t fit anyone’s system that expects accuracy (which is all of them) and will need one to three years of learning before he does, IF he does. Fourth, if Shanahan is listening to people like Mayock or Bunting over the people he actually employs to make decisions, he really ought to be fired. I hear Bill Cowher isn’t coaching right now.
by tuckwell on Apr 26, 2011 12:31 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Locker doesn’t fit anyone’s system that expects accuracy (which is all of them)
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Apr 26, 2011 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Funny
but Cutler had the same sort of resume as Locker coming out of Vandy. He certainly wasn’t the most accurate QB in that draft, but Shanny saw the potential, and took him anyways. IMO, this is how he feels about Locker.
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A lot of people point to a Cutler comparison.
My only problem with this is that it was unfinished business in Denver. Cutler never looked spectaclur, was overrated and the team never finished better than 8-8. Cutler has his flashes of brilliance but he’s also a punchline to many.
Was Shanahan drafting Cutler really a success for Shanny? What about the Broncos? What about Cutler? I’m hesitant to yes for all three.
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Cutler is engaged to Kristen Cavallari.
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agreed Parks...
the Cutler comparison is not going to win a whole lot of points with me. Neither are the Favre comparisons for that matter. Brett was a great football player, I don’t put him on the same QB pedestal that many do. Hell, he only won one Superbowl in two decades. Another QB that gets compared to Favre quite often (and rightly so) is Tony Romo, and sure wouldn’t want him as our franchise QB.
How about comparisons to Steve Young or John Elway?
A lot of the time, players thrive because of the system they’re in. Not just the offensive or defensive scheme, but the entire culture and routine that the coach builds for the players. How much has Cutler, Marshall, or Royal done since Shanahan left? They were all pro-bowl quality while he was there. Same evidence with Randy Moss and most other players that come and go from the Patriots.
I think what you are arguing is for the supporting cast.
Cutler, Marshall, and Royal “looked good” under Shanny b/c they were all together at one spot with a decent O-line. The respective teams they are on now don’t have the best supporting cast. My counter to the productivity of the three of those would also be how did that translate into wins? Hint: It didn’t…. Denver’s offense was as high-octane as ever this year w/o Cutler and Marshall. Marshall was also a pro bowler in ‘09 w/o Shanny, and had a career high in TDs. You don’t think Royal success his rookie year didn’t have a direct correlation to BMarshall being on the other side of the field?
Also how are we jumping around in the Locker comparisons we go to Brett Favre then Jay Cutler (two totally different QBs, and then from Cutler to Elway/Young, how is that fair? Just by linking Shanny to Locker doesn’t justify a comparison with the two legendary QBs Shanny coached. Should we compare Griese and Plummer to Elway and Steve Young?
I still stand and believe that the best comparison to Jake Locker is Steve McNair, and I’m OK with that.
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by Parks Smith on Apr 26, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I meant Jake Locker comparison to Steve Young and Elway.
I supported it in the OP, re: Elway:
http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/04/21/elway-locker-resembles-me/
And re: Steve Young:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2011-04-18-jake-locker_N.htm
I am not against Locker per se
I just feel like if we take him….especially if we end up taking him at #10. Shanny is seriously going to have his work cut out for him. It will leave him with 0 room for error with his other picks and we are going to need a strong showing in FA. Echoing what Parks just said, Shanny may be great with QBs, but he has always had a strong supporting cast.
Yea that trade is really paying dividends to Broncos.
Did you forget that the Broncos traded up to get Cutler also?
the Broncos acquired the pick from the St. Louis Rams by trading their 15th and 68th overall picks
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by Parks Smith on Apr 26, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
so cutler cost the broncos a 1st and an early 3rd and in return
got them a decent stop gap in Orton, 2 firsts a third and they lost an early 5th.
regardless of the fact that they decided to waste a pick on tebow, cutlers value was still quite high.
I’d take that ROI any day of the week, I doubt we could trade Orakpo for 2 1sts and a early 3rd…
that might be true.....
but it also says something about your “franchise QB” if you are already thinking about his trade value before we have even drafted him…..come on man!
no doubt the Broncos 'won' that trade
since Orton has been the statistical equivalent of Cutler for a much cheaper price. They totally blew the picks though. Even still Cutler was all smoke and mirrors because he wasn’t as good as what the Bears paid for. In the case with Locker, he will be on a significantly worse team than the one Cutler commanded in Denver
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by Steve Shoup on Apr 26, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed everyone sweats Cutler
but really is this guy a top 10 QB? I say that is an easy no. I will take Peyton, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Schaub over him easily. I also take Ryan, Freeman and Flacco over him. And I take the entire (well except for us) QB class of the NFC East in Eli, Romo, and Vick. Now obviously Vick could be a one-hit wonder (I hope), and Eli’s picks were up last year, but I’m saying he comes back this year.
At that point Cutler is basically middle of the pack when it comes to QB’s, and really he could be lower if Carson Palmer goes to a good situation and Bradford develops.
To me I don’t see this ‘elite’ quarterback that Shanny found and developed. He was good under Shanny but he had some talent around him as well. And he def. hasn’t developed into a ‘Franchise guy’
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by Steve Shoup on Apr 26, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
all good qb need accuracy. and cutler is inconsistent at best. he makes A LOT of bad throws. and that is before he pulls himself from playoff games.
by les boulez bomber on Apr 27, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions
oh i agree
all i’m saying is that he isn’t a franchise guy. A franchise guy is like Manning and Rivers, who succeed no matter who is around them. Both those guys had offensive line, WR and RB issues last year, but still managed insane years. Cutler is only as good as the talent and coaching around him. Last year with the Bears he has good but not great weapons, very good coaching and a weak o-line (and an exceptional defense and special teams), and he turned in a good year. When he was with the Broncos he had better weapons (Brandon Marshall), as good if not better coaching, but a far better offensive line (defense was weaker though) and he turned in a couple very good campaigns. Either way nothing really points to being a ‘franchise’ guy. Not saying he was not a first round talent, just that he’s just a good QB, and probably will never be a great one.
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Cutler's surrounding talent isn't awful
their WR corps lacks a top 10 #1, but as a corp there is speed and ability there.
Forte is solid, especially for a QB’s outlet.
OL obviously sucks
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I like Johnny Knox, but he's probably not a top 10 receiver
Cutler makes him good. I wonder if getting married will help Jay’s public relations skills. In interviews he looks sour, grumpy, hostile, mopey, drunk – not nice at all, very unlikeable. If the Skins had gotten him when he left Denver these last few years would have been a lot different, and better. But the press would have hated him.
I completely disagree that we would've been better with Cutler.
Trading for Cutler would’ve meant no Orakpo. It could very well have lost us picks in last year’s draft as well. In addition, I don’t think Cutler is a very good QB. He’s got a gun, but he makes terrible decisions and his accuracy isn’t very good. I honestly don’t see him as much of an upgrade to JC, McNabb, or Rex—certainly not enough of an upgrade to give away Rak and more picks. He’s also a whiny idiot, and a guy I’m glad I don’t have to root for.
To hell with Jay Cutler!
Ok, I’m finished.
Beauty article highlighting Jake Locker's key attributes
“He’s one of the hardest-working guys I’ve ever seen,” says Tripper Johnson, a Washington defensive back who played eight years of minor league baseball. “It’s any NFL coach’s dream to have a guy who’s going to compete every single down, who’s going to study until he can’t study anymore, and he’s also a leader. He rallies us up. He’s the one everybody follows.”
Rex Grossman is a hard worker.
Seriously tho, I have friends in DC that manage clubs and they said McNabb was always out….I should look into that more now.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 26, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I think if we draft a QB....
McNabb has to go. If we don’t might as well keep him. Yeah there is the 10 diamonds one day one, If we are going stop gap for another year, keep him both…… Having Donovan on the team (without the rook) will generate revenue to soften the blow.
Pete Carroll, who told reporters in September that Locker was “the best quarterback we’ve played against” during his nine-year tenure at Southern Cal.
i think that would be vince young, pete. hands down. he destroyed you- on national tv, for a national championship
by les boulez bomber on Apr 27, 2011 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I just pray that Shanahan's QB decision works out, whatever it is
and that he doesn’t just trade for 3 shitty veterans that suffocate our offense for 2 seasons.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Locker
Taking him at #10 is a very tough decision. Depends how much you want him. Because it you definitely want him over any other QB, you’re going to have to pay. I’d like to think that trading down would give us the best of all worlds – an extra pick or two, and the QB we wanted, maybe even Locker, but it could royally backfire, too. So – agree with Smutsboy and MagicHat above – just hope Shanahan decision works out.
no, Vinny Cerrato was not basically our Dick Cheney
That implies that Cerrato had a clue.
say what you will about him......
but Dick Cheney scares the shit out of millions of people….the same cannot be said about Vinnie.
I don't know about that.
Vinny picking for the Redskins scare a heck of a lot of Redskins fans…….
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
I was thinking that when I wrote it......
But, Cheney is scary to a lot of us, AND the “opposition”…….I don’t think the opposition was ever scairt of Vinne.
I'm ok with a QB if he pans out but I'm concerned he won't.
Given the sorry state of our roster (as in few real impact players and very little depth) I’m hoping that we build up the team and then get a QB.
And to fuel the fires of argument, here’s some quotes from this article:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Taking-a-hog-early-is-the-way-to-go.html
“The first is there is an abundance of blockers with high round grades this year. It’s one of the better years for offensive linemen from a depth perspective that the draft has seen in a long time.”
“Any team looking to make a safe pick should look at an offensive lineman. The bust rate is considerably lower for blockers than it is for most positions. Over the past five drafts, 31 offensive linemen have been chosen in the first round. Of those, the only one I would classify as a full-fledged bust is Andre Smith, chosen by the Bengals with the sixth pick in the 2009 draft. You might make an argument for Chris Williams of the Bears, and, while he has been a disappointment, at least he has been a starter for two years.”
“Even if a team takes a tackle and the player struggles at the position, they can always kick them inside to guard, like the Raiders did with Robert Gallery, the second overall pick in 2004.”
“Not only do offensive linemen picked in the early rounds seldom turn into busts, they often become impact rookies.” – sounds familiar, can you say Trent Williams?
So do we draft Locker and watch him get pummeled for several years? I hope not.
If they draft Locker then they’d also better grab 3-4 OL (either through the draft or FA) too.
I think having Locker sit behind McNabb
with a OL in the 2nd round (and if we trade back, maybe a WR as well) would improve our offense so much. In 2012, we would have an above average OL (if somebody else on the roster improves), Moss, 2nd rounder, Armstrong (who I see as an emerging star), and maybe Kelly at WR. Then we give Locker the reigns while an army of late/undrafted running backs keep the run up.
Orakpo, Fletch, McIntosh (probably not), and/or Jackson, Alexander, Blades, etc. in 1/2 years is a competent line-backing core. Landry and Otogwe at safety. Then the DL.. FA and Bryant? Carriker?
SUPER FRICKING BOWL
by Andrew DeFrank on Apr 26, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
So Minn is going to draft Locker and start McNabb?
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by Diesel44 on Apr 26, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Btw. Hillis is the cover of Madden 12.
So I’ll have to destroy you in August when it comes out.
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I completely agree
Armstrong is good overall, but even better at his role. He sprints down the field and tracks the ball in the air better than anyone. Most of his yards came from making sliding atches 40 yards down field. Hopefully Shanahan can highlight a specific role for Kelly too.
Also, if McNabb learns the system better, he could increase his trade value (maybe).
He(AA), also goes down half the time without barely being touched(ala Portis)
no RAC threat what-so-ever
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
We need more than 1 more OL pick to have an average OL
We have 1 very good OL and 4 poor OL.
I'll be fine with this pick, But.....
Its taken some time for me to accept Locker as a potential QB in the NFL, but feel his abilities is the best fit for the Skins next to Gabbert. Gabbert I expect to be long gone by #10 pick so makes you look at the next possible suitors. I just hope the skins look at the option of trading down first before anything were they won’t lose that option of picking up Locker and maybe pick another 2nd rounder or a 3rd Round pick were they can address other needs.
the most interesting thing mayock said in that interview was that flacco and ryan found success early because their teams had a good defense and a running game in place before they were drafted.
….
now i would not pass up a sam bradford just because we are missing either. but you want it to be that easy of a decision- little doubt you are getting a good qb. and there are no obvious sam bradfords in this draft.
by les boulez bomber on Apr 27, 2011 8:23 AM EDT reply actions

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