How the Redskins should draft next week
Nothing quite riles up a fanbase like the weeks leading up to the NFL draft. This year, in particular, Redskins fans find themselves a bit divided. On a team with so many needs, the options with the #10 pick are endless -- from taking a quarterback, taking a pass-rusher, reaching for Mike Pouncey, trading down, trading up, etc.
Then comes the second round pick, the only light in the tunnel for three rounds. After pick #41, the Redskins have to wait for 103 quality players and potential future starters to fall off the board -- until we get to round 5 -- before making another selection. Pressure's on, Bruce.
Everyone has their own opinion about what to do with these picks. I want to run through several scenarios before ultimately convincing you of the best way to go at the top and in the second.
First, some ground rules for picking in the top 10.
1) Pick a longtime starter. In the top 10, you have to pick someone you think will start for a long time -- like, 8+ years. Many of the Redskins' top picks in the past few years fit that bill. Trent Williams, LaRon Landry, the late Sean Taylor and many others validate this point.
2) Don't reach. You're in the top 10. If you're reaching, you should be trading down. Someone on the board is an elite player at their position, even if you don't need them, so in theory, someone should want them. You have to get value out of a top 10 pick because of the money and because of the stakes -- in theory, you shouldn't pick in the top 10 that often.
3) If possible, try not to gamble. You know that feeling you had when the 'Skins picked Orakpo? Or the one you had when they picked LaRon Landry? You just said to yourself, "there's no question that guy's gonna be good."
They passed every single smell test. They showed extensive good play in college, they didn't have any character issues, they were great athletes and smart football players. Any single team in the top 10 had to consider drafting this person. You always want one of those. You don't want any Tyson Alualu's. (Despite the fact that the guy can play.)
Last rule and projection after the jump...
The final rule for drafting in the top 10:
4) Pick a worthwhile position. Here lies the crux of my argument.
Assessing a player's value is often tied to assessing the value of a player's position. Think of it this way -- if you plugged in an average NFL starter at that position instead of someone else, how much would the team be affected?
For instance, if you plugged in Derrick Dockery on the Chargers offensive line instead of Pro-Bowl guard Kris Dielman, do you think the team would be completely different? No. I'm as aware of the importance of the offensive line as anyone, especially given the struggles we've had in Washington. But the truth holds. Being deep on 4/5 of the offensive line is much more important than being top-heavy.
If you put in David Gerrard instead of Peyton Manning, would the Colts be different? Abso-freaking-lutely.
That, of course, is the extreme. The rule applies to many other positions.
Staying on the offensive line, did the Redskins suffer hugely when Trent Williams went out and Stephon Heyer came in? Yes. Left tackle is a premium position in the NFL, no question about it. If that's a need, picking a left tackle in the top 10 is always defensible.
But there are other premium positions. For instance, imagine the Cowboys defense with Lorenzo Alexander at OLB instead of Demarcus Ware. Or the Steelers with Alexander instead of LaMar Woodley or James Harrison. That OLB position in a 3-4 is tremendously important. Imagine the Redskins running with a mediocre player at the 3-4, like Andre Carter was, instead of Brian Orakpo. We'd have had an unquestionably worse record (heck, the Cowboys game would have been a loss on the last play).
Another way to think of this argument is to think of the impact on the team made by the addition of one player. In other words, what kind of player would make the most impact for the fastest and the longest time?
If you pick a cornerback in the top 10, you better be doing it because your secondary needs big help. (Ours doesn't, really.) If you're picking an offensive lineman, like we did last year, it better be because that guy can play his heart out and he can improve the play of the team noticeably from day 1 (Trent Williams fits. Does Tyron Smith, at right tackle?). You shouldn't draft a situational guy, or a guy who has to change his entire game unless you are prepared to wait on him, which the Redskins shouldn't be. They need starters, and they need them yesterday.
That brings me to my ultimate conclusion -- who the Redskins need to take at #10.
Robert Quinn.
The guy fits every single bill. At a mere 20 years old, the guy has a long career in front of him (not to mention fresh legs after missing this season). A year ago, he would have been a top-5 pick, making it difficult to say he wouldn't qualify as one of those, "Ok, he's definitely going to be good," guys. He is not a gamble -- no current health problems, reportedly is of high character and won't need to be babysat for a few years as he develops.
Adding another pass rusher would at least disguise several of the gaping holes on the defense and, hopefully, make the unit competitive while those holes are filled over the next year or two. Brian Orakpo was the only consistent pass-rusher last season. Adding another would do wonders for the defense, which was unable to get any consistent pressure on quarterbacks. When your division has three Pro Bowl quarterbacks in it, you need to make the game harder on them. No longer could offenses gameplan only for Orakpo; they'd have to consider the challenges of picking up two premier pass-rushers from the outside every third down. That is why the Redskins switched to the 3-4 in the first place, after all, essentially forsaking their past season in the process.
We didn't see Robert Quinn play football last year, which is the only reason the kid isn't going in the top 5. The eligibility issue has been long discussed. I don't see it as a problem, and neither should you. This isn't a Dez Bryant-type guy that has other issues. This is a high character kid, from all reports, who made a bad decision. That said, because he hasn't played for a year, he may come out a bit rusty. But in this lockout season, there's a good chance everyone will be rusty.
Now, given my criteria, there are a lot of other players the Redskins could draft. Personally, I think it eliminates picking a 3-4 end. I don't think JJ Watt would be *that* much of an upgrade over Carriker or Phillip Daniels (despite Phil's age). I don't think Julio Jones would make *that* much of a difference on the offense at this point, considering we don't have a quarterback. (I also think Jones is going to Cleveland at #6.) And I don't think drafting Mike Pouncey, who projects as a quality guard or center, would be the right decision at #10, because he wouldn't drastically affect the offense. Yes, he would be a good upgrade, but how much better is he than a guy the Redskins could draft in later rounds? And would he impact the W-L record next year and for years to come as much as a big-time pass-rusher? Nope.
My strategy does not, though, eliminate the possibility of picking one position. Quarterback.
I wrote around this time last year, when the Redskins were picking #4 (but before they had picked up McNabb), that if the Shanahans and Allen saw a true franchise guy fall to them at #4 we couldn't fault them for taking him.
I maintain this position. Nothing impacts the team more than the quarterback. No team in the league can play anymore without a truly great quarterback. The ridiculous "Trent Dilfer argument" is no longer applicable. There wasn't one quarterback in last year's playoffs who wasn't at the top of the game, including Matt Hasselbeck.
That said, I don't think there is a guy at #10 who would really fit in Washington. I happen to think Blaine Gabbert would be a nice fit given his mobility and accuracy, but he will be gone by #5. Cam Newton, thankfully, will be long gone before the Redskins could even think about taking a huge risk on him.
I have to say, though, that if Kyle, Mike, and Bruce think Jake Locker is truly a franchise quarterback, they have every right to take him at #10. Would I like them to trade down instead and take him later? Of course. Would I rather them take Quinn? 100 percent, yes. But you can't pass on a franchise quarterback when your guy is Rex Grossman. That's just reality. Filling the quarterback spot is always a priority in today's NFL. Missing on that pick is huge -- and it goes against the "avoid risk at all costs" of my formula above -- but the reward is too high. So if Locker is the pick, don't boo. Don't lose your mind. That would mean the staff sees a truly great quarterback in their future. And, for better or worse, we'd be stuck with him.
All that said, I don't think we will see Locker at #10. I think his accuracy issues will deter our boys from making that decision. My guess, for the record, is that Robert Quinn is a Redskin next week, and if he is, we should all jump for joy. Our No. 31 defense will be significantly better from the moment he's on the field.
Second round strategy
At this point, the Redskins will have (hopefully) filled a major need on the defensive side of the ball. Assuming they do that, whether it's Watt, Quinn, etc, the Redskins will have a big chance to make a statement in the second round.
Realistically, we can count on at least two of Mallett, Ponder, Dalton or Kaepernick being available. Also, we can count on Phil Taylor, the top nose tackle in the draft, being gone. (If he's not, I don't see how we can pass on him, right?) We can also count on the fact that not every team that needs a quarterback that also drafts behind us (Minnesota? Seattle?) will not take one in the first round.
If there is a quality quarterback sitting there, I believe firmly the Redskins should trade down with an interested team. Why the change in strategy between the second round and not the first?
In the second round, you're not taking a can't-miss guy. You're taking a first round talent that had character problems (Mallett), injury issues (Ponder) or you're taking a guy who wasn't skilled enough to make it in the first round (Kaepernick). The second round pick, ideally, should be a really quality starter who plays for your team for a long time. Even if they aren't Pro Bowlers, they should be competent, quality, above-average NFL starters for a long period of time. Odds are, a quarterback will not fit this bill. And if he does, you're saddled with an above-average guy for a long time, instead of a potentially great guy you can find in the first round.
I think every 'Skins fan needs to hope that Ryan Mallett or Andy Dalton is available at 41 -- and that the Redskins trade the pick away. Someone will definitely want them. Let's hope that team would be willing to part with a third-round pick in the process.
If that doesn't happen...
At 41, you shoot less for the stars and pick for consistency. Which is why the Redskins should take someone who will plug in as a starter at ANY of their positions of need. If there's a quality guard here, absolutely. If there's a strong wide receiver like Torrey Smith or Leonard Hankerson, go for it. If there's a corner that the brass believes can supplant Carlos Rogers, I have no problem with that. You're picking a top-40 prospect -- take whoever you can, as long as it's someone who can step in and be solid. If you do that, you've picked two immediate starters in two rounds and the team is already significantly better at 2 key positions before free agency. Great start, and the ideal scenario considering the Redskins have only two picks in the top 4 rounds.
We aren't in a position to discriminate between positions when the Redskins pick at #41. They need everything except safety and tight end. Any position they take at #41 will be welcomed with open arms, as long as he is a sure-fire starter from day 1 and for the next several years.
Later draft strategy
Hopefully, we will have traded down and netted another pick because some team felt like snatching up a Mallett, Kaepernick or Dalton. If so, I can't see how the 'Skins could possibly ignore the offensive line in the 3rd or 4th round, when you see a lot of quality starters drafted.
If not, the Redskins don't pick again until round 5, where they pick at #13 (144) and #24 (155). At this point, you're picking fairly long shots at any specialty position or guys of lesser positional value. This may be where the Redskins draft a nose tackle and an offensive lineman. There's no way this draft passes by without the Redskins taking both of these positions.
I also would be surprised if the Redskins don't take a diamond-in-the-rough running back. You know Shanahan's reputation, as does everyone else, drafting runners. I think the Redskins will definitely tag a runner in the later rounds. Even if he isn't the next Terrell Davis, the Redskins do need depth behind Ryan Torain and Keiland Williams. Ideally, I'd hope for a speedy guy, wouldn't you?
Per the Redskins blog, they pick again here, where they could fill the running back pick and a few more linemen picks:
- Round 6, pick 12 (177 overall)
- Round 7, pick 11 (213 overall)
- Round 7, pick 22 (224 overall, from Indianapolis)
- Round 7, pick 52 (253 overall, compensatory selection)
If you made it this far, I commend you. I'm sure the comments section on this piece will get rowdy. Have at it!
I'll be the guy waiting to pre-order his Robert Quinn jersey.
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Quinn and Orakpo would be such a sexy duo
Someone a few weeks ago called them the Dogs of War. I’d be all for the pick, granted we can’t trade down.
I just worry about his health
but if we picked him…that would be truly awesome. Agreed, we should NOT trade down but if he falls to #10, we should grab him fo sho.
I live in the OC.
The one in OH.
Durability
Lots of people are bringing it up, but he made 25/25 starts at UNC. His only health problem was a brain tumor which was removed.
Robert Quinn at 10
is the only player that makes sense and is worthy of such a pick. Unfortunately I don’t think he’ll be there. But than again, everyone said that about Orakpo not slipping. I pray he falls to us, and I pray the war room at Redskins Park recognizes the opportunity presented. Otherwise, trade back, trade back, trade back.
I’m also on the bandwagon of not taking a QB at all in the first 2 rounds. As mentioned on here and by many, there are no franchise guys at the position in this draft.
Let’s feel like we got better after next weekend, not question if it’ll pay off, that’s my philosophy.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Apr 21, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions
How often is there an obvious franchise QB in the draft?
And how often does that obvious QB not even pan out?
More than they’re skillsets coming out of college, the ability to transition to the NFL determines whether a QB turns into a pro-bowler. Time to learn helps, and a strong run game to rely on does too. But the determination to put in 90-100 hour weeks consistently is what ultimately turns players like Josh Freeman into “franchise QBs”.
All those things you listed minus their own commitment
are not comforts a QB would have here, but the great ones overcome it, i.e. Tom Brady, Phillip Rivers, Peyton Manning. Can you look at any of the guys coming in next week as guys that can do that? Of course there’s busts, but who else with a brain other than the Raiders were sold on JaMarcus Russell? For every Alex Smith and Ryan Leaf, there’s a Matt Ryan, Josh Freeman, Joe Flacco, Ben Roethelisberger, Eli Manning, Sam Bradford and Aaron Rodgers. Guys that everyone said, ok, I can see the “it” factor. There are, in my opinion, not “it” factor guys in this draft. But the Andrew Luck’s and Matt Barkley’s of the world give me that inkling. That’s who I’d like to shove all my chips in on, not Gabbert or Ponder.
Not saying there’s no guys in the draft, how can such a thing be determined until it’s shown? But its obvious it’s easier to be sold on some guys than others. Each prospect this year has at least one major red flag.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Apr 21, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don't remember any "it" factor discussions about Josh Freeman, Joe Flacco, or Ben Roethelisberger.
The others more so, but there were huge questions about Bradford’s shoulder last year and whether he would be able to sustain a hit. Even just prior to the draft, the Rams fan base was screaming for Suh over Bradford (I can see their reasoning though).
The relationship between coach and QB is the most important on the team. If Shanahan sees stardom in any of the young QBs, he has the indisputable track record to support him. My chips are on Locker and Ponder, but I also think this McNabb thing is blown way too out of proportion.
Soooooooooooo
You take Locker, Gabbert or Ponder over Luck if all were there at 10? If you say no, tell me why you take Luck..
To reiterate, I understand there are busts, I understand drafting a QB is a crapshoot. But if you can tell me you’d feel better with Locker at the helm coming out than say a Luck, tell me why. There is no indisputable, clear cut, franchise QB in this draft, and in today’s NFL, you need that. I don’t think that any of these guys this year can carry a team and be the “face of the franchise”, maybe in 2-3 years if they got the chance to sit like Rivers and Rodgers, but they wouldn’t here. It’s happened a million times.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Apr 21, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
And I def remember Flacco and Ben getting that outlook
not so much Freeman, I remember thinking Tampa drafting him that high was a reach, but it’s looking like they nailed it. Flacco I remember jumping up draft boards because of his Delaware career and Ben, to be drafted at 11 with Rivers and Eli also in that draft, I think it was perceived he was obviously worthy to be picked there if to be in the same discussion as those other two. It doesn’t take all 32 teams to see the players worth, it only takes one, which is half the point you’re trying to make, yes. But I cannot say that Locker or Gabbert or whoever are convincing me that they could start as a franchise rookie for a team and not crash back to earth.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Apr 21, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
All those guys were highly thought of
Freeman really took off with a strong Senior Bowl, Flacco too if I remember correctly. Roethelisberger was always thought of as a first round guy throughout his rs-junior year, and his stock kept rising he was just lost in the Manning-Rivers debate.
One guy i’d take off the list is Aaron Rodgers. While a number of people thought that maybe the Dolphins would take him at 3, there were a lot of question marks around him. And few people made the case that he was better than Alex Smith. And in fact if you listen to most NFL pundits they will tell you that he likely wouldn’t have near the success that he is having if he had to preform as a rookie. The reports are that he really reshaped himself by learning under Favre and getting the proper coaching.
As for the Shanny argument here is the problem with that, what would Jay Cutler have brought to the Redskins last season?? Cutler is a good quarterback, but is he even top 10?? I don’t think so, and I don’t think he would have made the Redskins into contenders any more so than McNabb did (though knowing Shanny I’m sure it would have been smoother). Cutler might have had just as bad of a line last season, but his skill players were better than the Skins, their special teams (not just returns) were very good, and that defense flat out dominated at times.
And here we aren’t even talking about bringing Cutler in, but rather a rookie to take the pounding behind this weak line and poor skill talent around him. With no defense to back him up or a special teams unit that will add something to the equation.
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which shanahan?
and the question was raised on bradford and pretty much everyone dismissed it when it was learned it was the same surgery drew brees had prior to being traded to NO.
by les boulez bomber on Apr 21, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the problem is too often there is an 'obvious' franchise guy
Guys like Stafford and Sanchez were supposed to be that (at least they were to the teams that drafted them) and it has blown up in their face.
I agree with what you said about time, a strong balanced offense etc. which are all reasons against the Redskins taking a QB.
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by Steve Shoup on Apr 21, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
When we took Orakpo
it was stated that the redskins had plans to trade back the whole time but when they saw Orakpo available their nearly tripped running to the Podium. All I remember about that draft was everyone saying he would be gone then I watch the draft expecting anaylsis of who the Redskins would pick but the pick was in so quick we never got to hear anything about what the “experts” thought we should do. I may be naive but I hope Von Miller or/Quinn do the same thing (remember many Mock Drafts had Orakpo going as high as #3)
You make a mighty strong arguement
Being frank, I want a QB because having Rex Grossman as the face of this franchise for a year is unsettling, but your well organized and thought-out argument definitely leads me to be alright with this.
Ideally, I think we still trade down because I think the most impactful upgrade we make for this defense is drafting Phil Taylor, because we need the best front 3 to have the best linebacking corps, but if we are stuck at 10, Quinn would be a playmaker and give us the sickest pass rushing OLBs in the league.
Great Post! I see lots of posts telling the Skins who to Draft... finally, a post advising them how to Draft.
Someone (sorry HH, I forgot who posted it) already posted about the decline of our Scouting department… but… I think it is time we (HH regulars) revisited the topic.
Like that post said… anyone can look like a genius picking in the 1st or 2nd rd. Real genius, is finding starters in the 5th to 7th round.
REDSKINS’ SCOUTS; You want to impress the fans?… and show us you know what you’re doing? Find us a starter in the 7th round!
About this post; I’d love to trade back in the 1st… but if we can’t… then I guess OLB Quinn would be OK.
new rule #1 - trade for more picks at every opportunity
More than anything we need more picks.
Have to disagree
Not rule #1. Rule #1 is, really, draft excellent players. Sometimes you can make a trade that will take away from drafting a top player in order to draft a lesser player and a middle-tier player.
Frankly, I’d be much more comfortable trading down at #41 than at #10. #10 is too high of a pick to just trade away so we can muster out, say, a 3rd rounder.
disagree
having 1 good player with a bunch of old worn out guys gets us nowhere – we already have that and adding 1 more guy isn’t going to help.
We are still 3 years out from being good if the team is rebuilt correctly, which I don’t think will happen due to the “win now” attitude.
My prediction is that we draft a QB at #10 and 3 years from now we’ll be just as bad as we were last year. I’d like to have more faith but Snyder has beaten it out of me.
I can get on board with Quinn
I think he will probably be gone, and I’m not 100% sold that he is better than A. Smith, but I can buy the arguments.
I do think you maybe discount T. Smith a little bit and the importance of the O-line. Adding T. Smith and having bookend tackles would be quite tempting. Last year Heyer/Brown gave up quite a few sacks, pressures, and hits that need to be limited so we can eventually bring in a signal caller.
I’m against the idea of ‘well the coaches think he is a franchise guy’ excuse. The Jets thought Mark Sanchez was a Franchise guy (swing and a miss…if he develops into one great, but thus far he has held that team back), and instead watched Josh Freeman get chosen at their original pick. There is a long list of quarterbacks who failed because one team fell in love with them, or they had one really good skill area but struggled across the board. Also drafting ‘franchise’ quarterbacks never work when you have a really bad offense that you are inserting them too. Now I’m not saying Peyton Manning wouldn’t have succeeded regardless, but he did go into a pretty good offense Glenn and Meadows bookends, decent interior line, Dilger at TE and Harrison (plus their 2nd and 3rd rounders at WR) and Faulk in the backfield. Bradford went to a team that is set at 4 out of 5 o-line positions
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Mark Sanchez
It’s interesting that more than one person on here is calling him a bust. I seem to recall him leading the Jets to more than a few crunch time wins last season, and the Jets made the AFC title game…
Also, he’s only entering his third season… and he has made the playoffs twice. I don’t see how he can be considered an argument not to take a quarterback high. He elevated that offense by a lot, even if he’s not as good as some of the elite guys in the league.
by mmford10 on Apr 21, 2011 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes, I don't see how anyone can call Sanchez a bust
It would be nice to get T. Smith, but the Cowboys are likely to snatch him at 9. Most of the mock drafts have Quinn going about 8 – 12, so he could be available. I think NT is more important, but we are likely to be able to get a pretty good one in a lower round or in FA.
by Donnio1234 on Apr 21, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Him making a play here or there does not make a good quarterback
Otherwise McNabb would be considered an elite guy (I know he thinks he is an elite guy). Sanchez has been nothing short of awful his first two years his completion percentages of 53.8 and 54.8 are pretty much as bad as you can be. I don’t see how that is ‘elevating’ the offense, by any amount.
Yes the Jets win, but this is in spite of him not because of him. This season the Jets had Keller, Edwards, Holmes, Cotchery, Greene and L.T. at the skill positions around him, and Sanchez can only manage a 54.8 completion %, a 32 % 1st down ratio (which ranked 24th in the league) and a 75.8 rating… all of those numbers are worse than McNabb’s, yet he had so much more talent around him.
On top of the Skill guys he has one of the best offensive lines in the league, and while it was slightly banged up this season, their backups like Wayne Hunter and Slauson were better than our starters. Sanchez basically had a brick wall in front of him, while McNabb had the equivalent of a rope line.
And last but not least, the Jets defense is such a weapon for their offense. Think about how many better opportunities they got (and more as well) because of that stifling defense. The defense also covers up Sanchez’s weaknesses as all those failed 1st down attempts don’t turn into points for their opponents.
Sanchez is simply in the bottom 5 quarterbacks after two years in the league. While you can make some excuses as a rookie, it is worth noting that those quarterbacks who start from day one as rookies and succeeded all had better rookie numbers than Sanchez.
Could he defy odds and still develop sure, but so far he hasn’t been the ‘franchise’ guy, or worth the number 5 pick in the draft. And now imagine what his numbers would be if he didn’t have a team with such great and good talent around him (i.e. the Redskins).
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3rd Down
Skins have so many holes, we can’t expect one season to fill them. But if they are limited in what they can get, they need to really focus early in the draft on guys who can produce and affect the game on 3rd downs on both sides of the ball.
That’s why I’m excited about Quinn, could get behind a QB if they are sold on someone as “the guy” (but I hope they trade down to get him) or even getting Green or Jones who could make a big impact in the passing game.
Skins won’t be much better than last year, but getting off the field on D and keeping drives alive on O will make all the difference.
Quinn sounds great
and a RT in the second. Trading down would be great, but I would rather build continuity in the lines this year. We are in for the long haul, and if Shanny somehow decides to stop giving picks away for used up trash, we will be in great shape next year to plug in a new QB ( we will pick high again next year) and fill other holes in the second-fifth then. We have an extra 4th already.
If there is a lost year (look what it did for the Caps) then everyone can grow together!
Trade Down!!!
Trade down and get as many picks as possible. The lockout is still here – take advantage of it. Draft for numerous needs and reap the rewards. While there is no such thing as a cant miss prospect, it sure beats not having a prospect in the first place. One pass rusher will not change the fact that the skins could stop nothing – NOTHING!! Their offense was better than their defense – and they both sucked. I love the skins have since riggo was running the pigskin, but things have been rocky for the last 10 – 15 years. Draft for needs, ol, wr, dl, lb. dont worry bout rb – theyll be fine there. as a lifelong lsu fan i can tell you, give williams this coming year, and watch him run – he has good speed, can break tackles, and will only get better blocking. the skins dont need superstars, just super players and teammates. trade down and get a few.
by wildbill parker on Apr 21, 2011 3:40 PM EDT reply actions
This is one of the better post in this off season. I agree with 1x1an - "a post advising them how to Draft."
The four ground rules for picking in the top 10: “1) Pick a longtime starter; 2) Don’t reach; 3) If possible, try not to gamble; and 4) Pick a worthwhile position.” The list that follows is somewhat indicative of #1 and #3. The Skins have so many needs, but the need that has most immediate urgency on the defense without reaching is the 3-4 OLB. NT may be critical for the 3-4 defense to function most effectively, but the best NT in this draft, Phil Taylor, would be a reach. This season should be satisfied with the best available NT perhaps in the 4th round or later or alternatively, the best free agent(s). Unless a trade down can net one Kenrick Ellis, Jerrell Powe, Ian Williams, or Sione Fua by the 4th round, the Skins may need to settle for Chris Neild or Anthony Gray who seem like 7th round picks.
It would not be a reach to pick someone rated higher than Quinn, but the pick “a worthwhile position” rule comes into play.
The following list of players is somewhat a mix of the factors for ground rules as it works out for “best player available” and position of need for the overall NFL.
[Excuse me for not vertically aligning the details below, but if you are interested go to the link given below.]
Most Used Prospects in User Mock Drafts
Prospect Usage Average Pick
Amukamara, Prince – CB – Nebraska 92.3% 10.9
Green, A.J. – WR – Georgia 91.8% 7.2
Peterson, Patrick – CB – LSU 91.6% 6.8
Jones, Julio – WR – Alabama 91.3% 13.6
Bowers, Da’Quan – DE – Clemson 90.1% 8.8
Fairley, Nick – DT – Auburn 89.8% 8.3
Dareus, Marcell – DT – Alabama 89.4% 8.4
Quinn, Robert – DE – North Carolina 87.9% 12.2
Miller, Von – OLB – Texas A&M 87.5% 12.1
Ingram, Mark – RB – Alabama 87.0% 19.3
Castonzo, Anthony – OT – Boston College 84.8% 22.1
Newton, Cam – QB – Auburn 84.3% 11.0
Pouncey, Mike – OG – Florida 83.7% 25.3
Ayers, Akeem – OLB – UCLA 82.3% 22.0
Solder, Nate – OT – Colorado 80.9% 21.6
Carimi, Gabe – OT – Wisconsin 80.7% 24.4
Clayborn, Adrian – DE – Iowa 80.0% 22.1
From FFToolbox.com http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/top_user_picks.cfm#ixzz1KBl44Xdj
Setting up a draft board is sound way of accessing the draft prospects. Looking at the scheme used by National
Football Post for all players ranked gives a nice array. Their grade of 6 is about as low as a team should go if they want to maximize their effectiveness in drafting. NFP has 131 players with grades of 6 or greater out of the 640 they rated. The draft usually has about 250 players drafted and a significant number of UDFA. NFP grades 5.8 to 5.9 includes 63 players, 5.7 = 55, 5.6 = 25, 5.5 = 121, and 5.4 = 77. Not many players with grades 5.6 or less will be drafted, i.e., ranked #252 through #640. Yet every season some UDFA go on to be starters, All-Pros, etc. Finding the “sleepers” can be a big deal and likely reflects the flaws or defects in the evaluation and drafting process
by Jefferson1935 on Apr 22, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Drafting a QB
With the 10th pick makes absolutely no sense if Gabbert and Newton are off the board. I can see why some people would lobby for Gabbert if he falls, but between Carolina, Arizona, Cincy, and San Fran, Neither of these QBs will fall. That leaves Locker, Mallett, Ponder, Kapernick, Dalton, blah blah blah. No point in even thinking about taking them when Julio Jones, Phil Taylor, Quinn, and every top rated Offensive Lineman we still be there. I think we will trade down, I don’t think it’s the right move but we are in a terrible position.
"The longer I delay myself getting to the real world, the better." - Mike Knuble
by Chaz-Capapalooza on Apr 21, 2011 5:49 PM EDT reply actions
What happens if Quinn is gone?
So who’s the next pick? Let assume, for the sake of my argument, that you’re not drafting a 3-4 end @#10 and we are unable to trade down. Who do we take then?
*Full-Disclosure – Locker fan, but I’m asking this question with no bias at all. Please don’t reply with a bunch of no QB nonsense. I want to know who.
Well I wouldn't assume that we don't got 3-4 DE
but if that is off the board I go Aldon Smith
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I hope you are wrong on Quinn. He has a big red flag against him that no one is talking about.
And did not play last year to clarify things.
His 11 sacks in 09 came against weak teams and over half the season total came in two games:
citadel (1), east carolina (2), virginia (3), ga southern (1), duke (3), boston college (1)
he struck out against all other decent to good teams:
UConn (0), #13 ranked GA Tech (0), Fla St (0), #10 VA Tech (0), #19 Miami (0), NC State (0), #15 Pitt (0)
with a top 10 pick, i want my pass rusher making plays against good teams like brian orakpo did his last college season (11.5 sacks in 2008:
UTEP (2), Rice (2), Arkansas (2), #5 Oklahoma (2), #16 OK State (1), Texas A&M (1.5), #9 Ohio State (1)
FL Atlantic (0), Colorado (0), #19 Missouri (0), #12 Texas Tech (0), Kansas (0)
by les boulez bomber on Apr 21, 2011 6:47 PM EDT reply actions
this is such a great post. though i dont agree with quinn, there is so much good stuff in it.
i hope we trade back and draft a starting right tackle with the first pick. costonzo and some others project there. brown is a wild card. he wants legit money and offers a questionable hip. we are in for another dreadful depressing season if we are going to watch our QB get off his back the whole time….again….
besides, right tackle is imp for our system because right handed qb roll right…and we like to do play action rollouts. and if we bring in a left qb, right tackle protects his blind side
there is so much depth on defense in this draft, we can get a legitimate pass rusher with our second round pick. Robert Quinn does not have the same look to me as Orakpo, who had sacks against 3 ranked teams (see above).
I think Kaepernick (sp?) might be someone that the shanahans really like. smart. athletic and accurate (all supposedly lol. ..i read like you!) if that is the case, i dont think that guy is getting past the third round, probably a 2nd rounder
by les boulez bomber on Apr 21, 2011 7:04 PM EDT reply actions
Floating Scenarios
So, I have been reading like crazy, just trying to get my daily Football Fix…and there was a draft scenario that let us trade back to #14 with the Rams…and then trade back again with the Patriots…We were in the late 1st round, but we picked up 2 or 3 additional picks…Was this a fantasy, or is this a scenario that can actually come to be (would those teams really be interested in trading up?!)

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