Do We Want Shaun Rogers?
G'day All
The Cleveland Browns just cut Shaun Rogers. he is due $5.5 million this year and has off field issues apparently.
However he is a big bulky NT and knows the 3-4.
He is also 31.
Everyone on this site, knows that I want us to go young, so I am probably against this. But for some reason I have it in my head that it was just a couple of years ago he was making a number of Big Plays (maybe I am wrong)
So although, on a philosophical level, I am against this, and would much prefer to try and Draft an NT (or better yet sack HAslett and go back to a 4-3 as the 4-3 suits 2 or our 3 best players on Defence, B-Rak and London. but I digress)
So I am prepared to be swayed by competing arguments.
As I say, philospohically I am against this, but if it is just Off-Field issues that are the reason he is being cut, and he is still productive then maybe I should keep a more open mind, As a FA at least he wont cost us Draft Picks.
Thoughts???
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Character, character, character
The lack of it absolutely killed the Bengals.
The lack of it in a certain defensive tackle number 92 cost Danny boy 100 million.
The lack of it in a first overall pick quarterback blew up the San Diego Chargers team for a few years.
Do you even need to ask the question?
Not only no, but HELL NO!
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
exactly
we need to get out of that game and relinquish our spot as the #1 schmuck for FAs with bad attitudes.
Draft for charachter too...
I don’t know the guy personally, but it seems that HH’s #1 nose tackle is phil taylor, who was kicked off the penn state football team for fighting. is this an issue we want to avoid too? you give that man millions of dollars and he’ll be right back to his old ways.
Are you off your rocker?
Yeah, let’s bring in another big D Lineman with character issues, because it worked so well last time.
do you even read the posts dude
I said quite clearly 3 or 4 times, Philosophically I am against this, but was just wondering if there were competing arguments out there.
So just at least do the courtesy of reading beyond the headline before replying with words like “off your rocker” its just plain manners
Pommylee
It's just the time of year
Try not to take too much offense Pommy. People are on the edge right now with all the uncertainty.
Look at it this way, at least it wasn’t Parks this time(lol)
Are you not entertained?
Good point...
We should not bring in Rogers to play Defensive End… or Safety. AH was disgruntled partially because we brought him in and flipped the scheme and where he played. I don’t think it compares in this scenario. Rogers will come in and play NT and probably be mediocre to great. The key is getting him at a price for this service.
The Idea works in theory, but so do a lot of things.
Unfortunately it wouldn’t work in reality. He has too many Character issues going for him, like guns in an airport.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
I have a post as well on this listing all his pros/cons...
It ain’t pretty…
Hogs Haven. On Twitter. And Facebook.
ah no worries...
its scheduled for tomo…you’re fine.
Hogs Haven. On Twitter. And Facebook.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 9, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Have you listened to Shaun Rogers' new band?
it’s called Guns N’ Airports.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Feb 9, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Only if they can get him for really, REALLY cheap
Not because it’s my money, but because guys making average sized (for the NFL) paychecks seem to get into less trouble. And cutting them is less of an issue if they do get into trouble.
He isn’t a long term solution at starting NT, of course. But this team has so many needs, getting a band-aid solution in for a year or two wouldn’t be a bad idea. Then the Skins could focus their draft resources on… just about every other defensive position.
"DOWN GOES RODGERS!" -Brian Orakpo
Prettty much the only reason I could conceive of for doing this
But this team has so many needs, getting a band-aid solution in for a year or two wouldn’t be a bad idea. Then the Skins could focus their draft resources on… just about every other defensive position.
Still fairly certain I am against it, but there is some logic there
Pommylee
Stick with the 3-4
I am against this, and would much prefer to try and Draft an NT (or better yet sack HAslett and go back to a 4-3
You’d have to give Shanny the pink slip for that to happen. Haslett is just carrying out the orders.
Everyone is so quick to jump ship. Seems everyone just wants a magical Cinderella transformation and no one seems to understand growing pains of transition. As a longtime skins fan I definitely understand this and as hard as it is everyone needs to be patient a little bit longer. Generally seems everyone has adapted our owner’s short fuse, lack of patience, become extremely dismissive, impulsiveness (esp for big FA splashes), and are too emotionally attached to players. With no room for error, there is no room to grow; there is an important caveat to take away from all this: when riding the youth wave know these players are going to commit some mistakes (getting burned, pancaked, beat, dropped balls!) along the way, try to cut them some slack and not be so quick to write them off! Not every move will be perfect, but I’m perfectly confident the people we have in place are conducting themselves in a prudent, non-impulsive manner as contrary to the past. Its hard after being burned so many times, but like the Amish we must turn the other cheek and have faith!
Hail!
HTTR!
Oh but...
I do agree we definitely need to draft a NT to anchor us down and build around. That is the lesser known focal point of the 3-4 defense. Can’t live in the past and pick up a guy that used to be good 2 seasons ago! We can supplement our roster for less key positions via FA. But imho the key positions that must address through the draft are — NT, QB, OLB (Must get a 2nd or 3rd some how), DB/FS, OL… in roughly that order. I had an idea of how to get something for Santana… Sign em, give him a larger than normal signing bonus and get him on a very cap friendly/cheap contract for 2 years and try to trade him for a 2nd or 3rd
HTTR!
I agree with patience
but the problem is double talk.
We are told to be patient with a transistion to a new Defence where none of our best players (other than Landry) Fit, and then we go and waste multiple draft picks trading for McNabb and Brown. You talk about riding the youth, but most FA/Waiver Wire type players we bought in last year were not young kids but were retreads from other teams.
If they were actually doing what you suggest, accepting there willbe short term pain, trading players for picks, instead of picks for players, and grooming the next generation of Redskins, I could get on board with the transistion to the 3-4, but when you trade for a 30 year old tackle, sign a 30 yr old guard in Hicks and sign a 33+ yr old QB in McNAbb at the expense of multiple picks, then come out with a slogan that the Future is Now, then I struggle to see the intellectual consistency in that approach, if you are going to do all that, if you really beleive the future is now, then you stick with the Defence that best fits your CURRENT players skill set.
Pommylee
No Brainer, Absolutley NOT!
This guy is a clown and if think getting this guy is a good move then we might as well keep Fatsworth
Let's build a no-assholes team.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Feb 10, 2011 9:48 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
dickheads are one thing
guys like Rogers, Haynesworth or VJax are what I call assholes
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Agreed.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Feb 10, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Based on the leg injury that kept him out most of last season,
no. All the other “character” junk is bullsh*t though. But 31 and oft injured spells a lot of time on the sideline.
haha.
yeah, a big fat lazy DT seeking a payday – WHAT COULD GO WRONG!???
All the other "character" junk is bullsh*t though.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
No, I just think that some of the "fans" are full of shit when it comes to the whole "character" issue.
“We want good guys with character, man”…Really??? Grow up and miss me with that “kumbaya” stuff. I want to win. I’m sick of being the laughing stock of the NFL.
going after guys who work hard, or don't have off field troubles, or don't beat women, or don't hold out for massive contracts are not the reason we're not good
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I'm sick of being the laughing stock of the NFL BECAUSE
we throw money at guys with “elite” talent and poor character. I’m tired of losing, but I’m more tired at the bullshit that comes out of Redskins park from guys with poor character like Haynesworth. Look I’m not asking guys to be saints, I just want them to work hard and steer clear of being arrested for committing crimes. If you don’t work hard, I don’t want you on this team. Then again for all I know with a name like J.Cash you could be Dan Snyder.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Feb 10, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
With a name like J.Cas you could be Dan Snyder...
That was so original. And for your info, that IS my name. Now go kill yourself for not having one as coooollll as mine.
You talk about the players? How’s that coaching staff doing for us, Buddy? We can speak all day about “character” shit that we don’t know the full scope about, but when it’s all said and done, the coaches have to get the most out these players. So miss me with that nonsense and point the fingers where they’re due. When we HAD talent, we had no philosophy. Now, we supposedly have a “philosophy” and NO TALENT.
But, no. Don’t blame the coaching staff. Nope. Our team is failing ALL because of the players. Sure, I’d like to have a team full of hard workers. But that’s not a winning formula in today’s NFL, so stop dreaming. EVEN WHEN WE WERE A WINNING FRANCHISE, we had bad character guys but a coach who maximized the hell out of their talents on the field,
Give. Me. A. Break.
Remember how shitty our team was before they got here?
There are no shortcuts my friend, only growing pains. Yeah, they may have had alcohol issues but they worked hard on Sundays. It’s easy to use that as a way out. You’re only encouraging the shit that went on here before they got here. Did you ever think maybe that was the problem? That there was absolutely no accountability for their actions?
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Feb 10, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Surely that must be the winning formula, I mean look at all the winning we've had the past decade.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Feb 10, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
What "shit" are you talking about??? Because the guys that were here during the first Joe Gibbs era SURELY had issues.
But Joe was good enough to still find value in them. Not this bullshit humiliation and circus that we’ve had with issue AND non-issue players.
What worked in the '80s isn't going to work in the modern NFL.
See the New England Patriots and Green Bay Packers. High Character guys go a long way. The “shit” I was talking about is the idea that buying malcontent free agents is going to solve all of our problems. We don’t need anymore of that clearly that didn’t work and the horrible record this past decade is proof of that. Buying aging veterans is thinking short-term, The way to success for this franchise is to get a core group of players that are hard workers and have good habits. You don’t win with a bunch of malcontent guys, that doesn’t bode well in terms of teamwork. The last thing we need is more media attention.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Feb 10, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
But Bellechik could take those character concerns and make them buy in
wasn’t Dillon a character concern? And they took a chance on Randy Moss and made him a great WR again.
A stable/winning franchise like the Pats are able to take chances or project like that...
We can’t afford it right now.
by Parks Smith on Feb 10, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
A 32 YR OLD malcontent, criminal, fat POS is a project?
He was traded by the Lions and then cut by the browns. Nothing like picking up the ugliest chick in the bar that has been turned down by two bigger douche bags. We need to be better than that, he doesn’t add to our longterm plan.
I consider myself a one man wolfpack..
dont underestimate the ugly chick
she works harder for it!!!!
(bad joke alert bad joke alert)
but to be fair in our current analogy, maybe it works!!!
Pommylee
But they've had her and know her "work ethic"
If she was any good in bed they wouldn’t have passed on her.
I consider myself a one man wolfpack..
Not so fast my friend....(Lee Corso Voice)
The Steelers made it to the Super Bowl with players like Hines Ward (one of the dirtiest players in the NFL), Ben Rapelisberger and the Hard hitting, I don’t want to go to the White House because the president didn’t come to a Steeler’s game James Harrison! Something is working!
by KonartistNupe on Feb 11, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
True, but the Steelers are rock solid up top....
from the owner, to FO, to the coaches…something we don’t have….not to mention every player on that team feels that they are the the BEST team in the league, something else we don’t have.
Hines Ward doesn't cause trouble off the field, nor does Harrison.
They may be dirty football players but I doubt they’re corrupt people.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Feb 11, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Honest question-are you old enough to remember the teams of the 80s?
Because I was and I can tell you the two closest guys we have two being a problem were Dexter Manley and John Riggins.
Both of these guys would be considered saints in today’s NFL where everyone seems to be into this gangsta crap.
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 11, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
red flag
poor & loaded generalization
where everyone seems to be into this gangsta crap.
the problems today are with drug abuse and beating women, things that cross cultural and racial groups
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I don't think that that was a racial statement
either meant it as a word that includes drug abuse, beating women, demeaning women and a general antisocial behavior-and these people fall into just about any racial group you would care to mention…even as off the wall as Maori or Samoan
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 11, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
gangsta is a loaded word, and not just in terms of race
NFL players of all types abuse women, that’s my point.
Roethlisberger certainly isn’t gangsta but that douchebag should be in jail.
Same might be true of Farve
and Jared Allen
etc etc
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Understood
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 12, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
not a chance.....
in this day and age where information (whether it is newsworthy or not) is shared all over the world instantly these guys would not be “saints” in Goddell’s NFL.
Rogers - He'd have to come begging for a chance, and then
play for the minimum.
I’m with Pommylee – why oh why don’t they go back to the 4-3? They’d be instantly improved. Haslett wouldn’t mind – he’s just following orders.
do you reckon??
he’s just following orders
From what I have read they got together last year and jointly decided to work together next (this) year and install a 3-4. Now you might be right, I dont know for sure, but I really think this 3-4 obsession is a joint decision.
My theory has been, and this is completely without any basis in research, it is purely a hunch, I think Shanny thought in 09 that it would be Jerry Jones who would hire him in Dallas, saw their Defence, saw the personell fit the 3-4 and hooked up with Haslett to install his version of the 3-4 in Dallas, then when Wade and Dallas won that Playoff game, he was left with the Skins as his job, and was so committed to the 3-4 on a mental level, that he could not bring himself to change his view after committing so much time to studying the 3-4 in his down year.
Again I have literally ZERO proof of this, not one story has made me think this way, its just a stupid theory I have.
I just think that 2 of our 3 best players on Defence are Fletcher and B-Rak and they are both prototypical 4-3 defenders, Fletcher is too small for the 3-4 ILB spot and B-Rak is better as a 4-3 End with his hand in the dirt. So why not go to the system that best suits your players rather than squeezing the players into a system that doesnt fit.
Andre Carter is the main casualty of the 3-4 obsession, 12 sacks one year, about to be cut the next. And who knows what happens with Haynesworth if he doesnt have the 3-4 as an excuse to fail. So many problems for such a small potential improvement.
Pommylee

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