Von Miller kind of concerns me
by Floppy P Key on Feb 24, 2011 11:26 AM EST
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PrintLet me start with this caveat: I don't watch a lot of college football and I only get interested in college players around draft season.
With that out of the way, it seems that most draft heads say that if Von Miller falls to us at #10 then we should take him (if we can't trade down in some way that is). He is a sure fire, pass rushing monstrosity. That is all fine and good but when I look at him he looks really light and like he will get pushed around all over the place in the run game. Dude is barely 240 lbs. If I'm a OC I'm finding the side he is on and I'm running right at him.
When I look on ESPN.com (I'm assuming it is accurate) and I look at Clay Matthews, Lamarr Woodley, Terrel Suggs, and DeMarcus Ware, they are all in the 255-265 lb range. These are the types of guys I want our outside LB to play like and I don't want some one dimensional, situational rusher with a #10 pick.
I could be wrong about the guy; like I said I haven't seem him play much. I also suppose he could just put on another 10 lbs and everything would be gravy. But the run is my concern with him. Is this a legit concern or are this guy's pass rushing skills so epic that I should just shut up?
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I think it's a major concern as well
But I believe him and Orakpo opposite of each other could lift us to steeleresk LB core… if we do pick him in the first I think we will need to address the NT position in the second to help against the run in the middle allowing our ILB’s to help on the outside when OC’s do indeed run it towards miller
WE SHOULD BE WORRIED
About our offense first . our priorty needs to be the offense first and then fix the defense last i think at least . I know our defense needs fixing as well , but our offense is what really sucks they need offensive linemen , wide recievers , QB , running back is iffy still out on that one . Then if you start fresh with everyone on offense learning together then there one wont be such a age gap and two they can gel together as a unit plus have young talent that will work good together and not have to worry so much about having to fix the offense for a while . Then next year start working on the defense and start getting young players and start the same process as you did for the offense .
You know what they always say..."Offense wins championships"...o wait
Defense is WAY more important than the offense, especially with the 3-4 transition. But you know what they always say…
“Some people like their cucumbers pickled.”
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by washingtonwin on Feb 24, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
OH YEA
I forgot opinions are like assholes everyone has one.
by washingtonwin on Feb 24, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Hugs aren't gay, they are the real thing, and I guess you're not ready for that.
I kind of feel bad for you, were you not hugged as a child?
Talk about gay, you just mentioned assholes and said BRAVO. I bet you like Coldplay too.
a buddy of mine has the best shirt ever, his dad really liked the band Creed
and he got a shirt that just says “Fuck Creed” hilarious
And washingtonwin
Our defense was way worse than our offense last year, we need to address the front 7 namely the NT position but there’s probably no NT worth grabbing at 10 so we should go BPA at 10 and BNTA in the second… if that means getting an OLB or DE at 10 all the better, I know our offense wasn’t great last year but our Defense was one of the worst in the league…
You haven't seen the 40 Year Old Virgin?
You know how I know you’re gay?
You wear Capris
You like Coldplay
You like the Twilight Saga
You like Eric Dane
What am I missing? Its all starting to come together.
Something else funny
It’s my birthday and she was the one who got a new car…….go figure. All I got was a new pair of kicks.
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Yea she sent me a picture of you're new shoes.
by Parks Smith on Feb 24, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Tiller has a bumper sticker that says...
“I love it when balls are in my face.”
And I saw him make spinach dip in a loaf of sourdough bread.
"you know how I know your gay?"
“Cause your dick tastes like shit”
it's called ATM- ass to mouth.
Thanks for sharing. Also congrats on the gayest You’re gay comment evar…
I consider myself a one man wolfpack..
This is like one of three conversations
that ends with Tiller telling us he’s gay.
by CarverM on Feb 24, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm the furthest thing from being gay that there is
not that there is anything wrong with being gay.
Plus, it’s my birthday. No ball busting till tomorrow.
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You thought capri pants were a good idea, and you think Eric Dane is hot.
And ball-busting increases on your birthday.
by CarverM on Feb 24, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
stock down on tiller.
Hopefully he has a better pro day.
I consider myself a one man wolfpack..
by Diesel44 on Feb 25, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll admit
the capri pants were a bad idea. I grew up(from age 5 to 12) in WV. I was a country boy. I fished and hunted.
I lived in PA ever since I was 12 up until last year when I moved to CT. I think the whole CT thing got to me a little. Different crowd up here.
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by TheUberest on Feb 24, 2011 4:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree on Miller Concerns
The guy is talanted no question about it but keep in mind he is coming out of Texas A&M who nobody really heard of and got our attention with his play toward the end of the season so he does have potential despite being undersized. One thing I have looked at is options drafting a potential offensive player and just believe the skins can address in later rounds selecting a guy who can be just as productive than spending there 10th pick on. This defensive draft class DE/LB is too good to pass up and it will help to get an impact player to improve that 31st ranked defense. We all know an unknown will stick out of the combine after this weekend which will change alot of these projected Mock drafts
by Kevin O'Connor on Feb 25, 2011 7:05 AM EST up reply actions
I been saying this about Miller for 2 months now
I love the kid and his potential, but these concerns surrounding his weight(or lack there of) are valid. Asking a guy to bulk up 15lbs is a lot, and that’s what Miller is going to have to do to play OLB in the Redskins system.
Remember, he was 237 at the Senior Bowl
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I'm not advocating taking the guy, I'm just saying...
My personal preference is to trade down if we can but many are saying that if we stay at #10 then we should go for Von Miller.
In the Washingtonwin and Parks debate I’ll just say that it seems that teams who draft young franchise QBs have success when they already have a good defense in place. Sanchez- Jets, Flacco- Baltimore. Ehh…nevermind cause then of course you also have Bradford- St. Louis and Ryan- ATL.
ATL's defense is pretty solid plus they had a strong run game and OL just like the Jets and Baltimore
Bradford is kind of the outlier but he was also the only #1 pick of the four
I'm not sold on Miller & I don't think he will be an OLBer in the NFL, at least not in a 3-4
I know a lot of people smarter than me think he will be the next Clay Matthews but his size is a major drawback IMO. I think he will be a bust as a primary pass rusher but is talented enough to excel at another position or scheme.
It's been mentioned here and elsewhere a few times recently, and I disagreed.
But it’s becoming clearer to me that teams have Phil Taylor rated much higher then draftniks. I believe he is now a legit top 10-15 prospect, Positional scarcity gives him a premium upgrade similar to that of a Qb. It’s the Planet Theory.
If his combine numbers jive with projections, I can honestly say that I want Taylor more than anyone else in the draft. He would be the center piece for the defense over the next 10 years. I believe the Skins have to seriously consider him at #10.
I think Taylor is mid to late 20's right now.
He could move up to the mid teens with a good combine, but don’t forget, he’s most likely a 2-down DT/NT
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I disagree about the 2 down player. He can penetrate and has moves to beat his man one on one. As a 335+ player, he will need some rest between plays, which is expected of larger men. Yes, he will see plenty of 2 down situations, but as long as he clogs the middle, and forces long 3rd downs, he will have done his job. It’s Orakpo time then.
I think that we, as fans,
are actually overvaluing Phil Taylor. I know this will be denounced as heresy around these parts, but it wouldn’t surprise me if GMs still had him as a 2nd rounder. Don’t forget that before the Senior Bowl he was rated as a 4th-5th round prospect.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m like the rest of you and really want the guy, but I think we’d be remiss to take him at 10. Sure, we need a nose tackle arguably more than any other position, but I feel like we can get a much more talented player with such a valuable draft pick and even still have a shot at Taylor in the 2nd.
I'm not sure if it's us, as much as NFL teams.
Same as every sport. Baseball prizes left handed pitchers, if a lefty is the 15th best pitcher, but the top lefty in the league, he has extreme value. Same with basketball and centers, if a center is the 50th best player in the league, but he is the top center, he has maximum value.
In football, it’s the Qb, Gabbert and Newton shouldn’t realistically be in the top 60 players, yet they both likely go in the top 10. Nose tackle has extreme value due to individual matchups. Even if he is the 100th best player, but the best nose, he has maximum value. Gold is only worth more than silver because it is so much more scarce, otherwise, they would be the same price.
I'm saying
that us fans are pumped up about him because of what we saw at the senior bowl. We don’t know what NFL teams think of him now, but just remember that he was a 4th-5th round prospect before that single week of practices. NFL teams are usually less prone to hype than we are as fans. I agree that NT are prized players, but there is still a ceiling.
I honestly thought of him as a late 2nd-early 3rd prospect before the Senior Bowl.
According to my draft sites. I wanted him with our 2nd since January. The Senior Bowl seperated him from the pack into the late 1st-early 2nd round territory. But, I also think the draftniks, myself included, were behind the curve. I honestly believe that NFL teams had him rated higher then the rest of us. If he is indeed the top NT in this draft, and perhaps within the top 10 NTs in the league next year, his value is incalculable.
There is a new wave now in the NFL, in my opinion, you can either get in front of it and ride it, or stay behind, and get swept away. The 3-4 is here. Nose tackle and Center positions are becoming invaluable, more so then LTs and DEs. Shanahan has made a commitment to the 3-4 and Kyle’s spread type offense, he has to get the best players to fit. Get the NT and C this year, and the QB and skills next year. My opinion only.
There is no way to know this, so its not even worth saying
I honestly believe that NFL teams had him rated higher then the rest of us.
The 3-4 has been here for a long, long time. I hate how people think that you have to run a 3-4 or you won’t be successful. Its just silly. As for centers being more valuable than LTs, that pretty silly too. Centers have a guard on either side of them that can help with these NTs if need be. Don’t get me wrong, I definitely agree that we need a center in the worst possible way. But any way you slice it, most teams hide their weakest lineman at center. That’s just the way it is, because its easier to get by with it there. Even with these 3-4 defenses, your tackles still have to be the studs on your line, because they have to play out in space against these athletic freaks that teams are lining up on the outside whose only real purpose is to rush the passer.
I agree that centers tend to be the weakest link in the OL. I arrayed the 2009 OL starters by round selected.
http://home.comcast.net/~fwroy/Starting%20Offensive%20Linemen%20by%20Draft%20Status.html
A look at Centers and their performance ratings. Seven were UDFA, but there may be a tendency to draft them in higher rounds more recently. Similar information is available for the other OL positions. In general, left tackles are still much higher picks than other O-linemen.
1. Nick Mangold (Jets) (09,16; 08,16 starts), 2007 draft 3rd OL selected , 2009 Adj OVR 132
- 19. Chris Spencer (Seahawks) (09,14; 08,11 starts), 2005 draft 3rd OL selected , 2009 Adj OVR 101
- 29. Jeff Faine (Bucs) (09,12; 08,16 starts), 2003 draft 3rd OL selected , 2009 Adj OVR 83
- 6. Alex Mack Center (Browns) 2009 draft 4th OL selected Started 16 of 16 games , 2009 Adj OVR 116
- 4. Jake Grove (09Dolphins/08Raiders) (09,10; 08,12 starts), 2004 draft 5th OL selected , 2009 Adj OVR 118
- 12. Andre Gurode (Cowboys) (09,16; 08,16 starts), 2002 draft 6th OL selected , 2009 Adj OVR 109
- 14. Dominic Raiola (Lions) (09,16; 08,12 starts), 2001 draft 7th OL selected , 2009 Adj OVR 106
- 29. Kevin Mawae (Titans) (09,16; 08,15 starts), 1994 draft 7th OL selected , 2009 Adj OVR 83
- 4. Ryan Kalil (Panthers) (09,16; 08,12 starts), 2007 draft 8th OL selected , 2009 Adj OVR 118
- 25. Samson Satele (09Raiders/08Dolphins) (09,12; 08,16 starts), 2007 draft 9th OL selected , 2009 Adj OVR 92
- 23. Casey Rabach (Redskins) (09,16; 08,16 starts), 2001 draft 10th OL selected , 2009 Adj OVR 94
- 31. Brad Meester (Jags) (09,16; 08,10 starts), 2000 draft 10th OL selected , 2009 Adj OVR 82
- 14. Olin Kreutz (Bears) (09,16; 08,16 starts), 1998 draft 11th OL selected , 2009 Adj OVR 106
- 13. Jonathan Goodwin (Saints) (09,16; 08,13 starts), 2002 draft 5th round 18th OL selected , 2009 Adj OVR 107
- 21. Jason Brown (09Rams/08Ravens) (09,16; 08,16 starts), 2005 draft 4th round 22th OL selected , 2009 Adj OVR 96
- 32. Justin Harwig (Steelers) (09,16; 08,16 starts), 2002 draft 6th round 23rd OL selected , 2009 Adj OVR 77
- 17. Dan Koppen(Pats) (09,16; 08,16 starts), 2003 draft 5th round 26th OL selected , 2009 Adj OVR 102
- 2. Matt Birk (09Ravens/08Vikings) (09,16; 08,16 starts), 1998 draft 6th round 29th OL selected , 2009 Adj OVR 119
- 16. Eric Heitmann (49ers) (09,16; 08,16 starts), 2002 draft 7th round 29th OL selected , 2009 Adj OVR 103
- 10. Todd McClure (Falcons) (09,16; 08,16 starts), 1999 draft 7th round 30th OL selected , 2009 Adj OVR 110
- 27. John Sullivan Center (Vikings) (09,16; 08.0 starts) 2008 draft 30th OL selected, 2009 Adj OVR 88
- 26. Geoff Hangartner Center (Bills) 2005 draft 34th OL selected Started 16 of 16 games , 2009 Adj OVR 89
- 8. Chris Myers (Texans) (09,16; 08,16 starts), 2005 draft 6th round 39th OL selected , 2009 Adj OVR 113
- 17. Scott Wells (Packers) (09,14; 08,13 starts), 2004 draft 7th round 41st OL selected , 2009 Adj OVR 102
- 9. Scott Mruczkowski (Chargers) (09,13 starts), 2005 draft 7th round 47th OL selected, 2009 Adj OVR 111
- 2. Shaun O’Hara (Giants) (09,16; 08,16 starts), UDFA 2000 , 2009 Adj OVR 119
- 6. Jamaal Jackson (Eagles) (09,15; 08,16 starts), UDFA 2003, 2009 Adj OVR 116
- 10. Jeff Saturday (Colts) (09,16; 08,12 starts), UDFA 1999 , 2009 Adj OVR 110
- 20. Kyle Cook (Bengals) (09,16 starts), 2007 UDFA, 2009 Adj OVR 99
- 21. Lyle Sendlein (Cardinals) (09,16; 08,16 starts), UDFA 2007 , 2009 Adj OVR 96
- 23. Casey Wiegmann (Broncos) (09,16; 08,16 starts), UDFA 1996 , 2009 Adj OVR 94
- 28. Rudy Niswanger (Chiefs) (09,16; 08,15 starts), UDFA 2006 , 2009 Adj OVR 87
by Jefferson1935 on Feb 25, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair, it's really only been within the last....
5 years or so that the 3-4 has proliferated. I agree, up until the mid 2000’s, the center was not a priority position.
Pittsburgh is the only team that use to consistantly run it, but when the Patriots started winning everything, other teams copied. This year, half of the league will run it, or a version of it. Who knows what will happen in the next 10 years, but the trend is to the 3-4.
Teams are noticing, they would hardly ever use a high pick on a center, but look at recent history. Mangold, Kalil, Mack, and Pouncey have all gone in the 1st round within the last 5 years. This year, I believe another will go in the 1st rd. A center just got tagged for $10M, that’s left tackle money.
The 3-4 defense was used before the AFC and NFC merged to form the NFL. Gradually the 3-4 scheme
went out of favor, but it has gradually made a comeback.
Centers are clustered with other offensive linemen when it comes to franchising, but that had to be the value judgment of the Panthers to franchise Kalil and the same thing could also happen with guards. The Saints have the highest paid guard and it is twice as much as the OL franchise price.
Maurkice Pouncey was pick 18 in 2010 followed by J.D. Walton at pick 80. In 2009, Alex Mack was picked at #21 and Eric Wood at pick #28. The next pick was Jonathan Luigs at #106.
The first center selected in 2008 was Cody Wallace, #107, followed by Kory Lichtensteiger #108.
Ryan Kalil was picked at #59 and Samson Satele at #60 in 2007. 2006, Nick Mangold (29), Ryan Cook (51), Chris Chester (56). The earliest pick was Damien Woody (17) in 1999. I have all the offensive linemen listed back to 1994, so there is no new trend.
by Jefferson1935 on Feb 25, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think a team has to run a 3-4 to be successful.
I was against the switch like many were, because the talent didn’t suit it last year. But Shanahan has committed to it at this point, and to run it effectively, they need strong play from the nose tackle position.
Tackle positions are always going to be important, I agree, and center has always been the weakest line position. But with more teams running a 3-4, center is becoming more of a critical position. I believe it will be as important as the tackle position going forward, and teams with strong centers will be more successful.
In my opinion, the best way to defeat a 3-4, is to run the ball directly at them. To do that, the center has to control the nose, while the guards kick out the ends, or just get to the linebackers. Against a 4-3, I agree, center isn’t as critical a position.
I think it goes without saying
that a team with a good center will be more successful than a team without one. Its rare though, and will probably always be rare, to find a center good enough to beat NTs (good NTs, not Ma’ake 2010 NTs) one-on-one. I also think that teams are better off identifying the blitz and running/passing away from it against 3-4s. Luckily for us, Dallas is the only other team in our division that currently runs a 3-4. And to boot, they run it with a penetrating NT instead of a big ‘space-eater’ NT, so its almost like a 4-3 in that regard.
I don’t want to come off as sounding hostile. This is a good discussion of different ways to look at the same coin. I also believe that the 3-4 is being overhyped right now, and the 4-3 will become ‘trendy’ again in 5 years.
It's hard to say now because the athletes are so much better.
There’s so much money, and it’s a year round job, that athletes stay in peak condition. When a guy has the size of a lineman, and the ability of a linebacker, it makes more sense to have him off the line. He can use his athleticism in so many different ways to create mismatches and confusion; blitz, cover, or just roam. I think as long as these spread type offenses are successful, the 3-4 is here to stay.
At the high school and college level, that’s pretty much all they run now. At this point, it’s just hard for me to see football go back to the days of a pro-set with 2 backs, and only 2 receivers. If anything, I think it will open up even more now as these new quarterbacks add another dimension.
The 2-5 might be coming, only half joking. But your right, it’s a copycat league, and the 4-3 or 5-2 could be right on the horizon.
Apologize for being a pest.
This is just my opinion again on having a top center going forward.
The Cowboys just hired Rob Ryan to run their defense, and he likely will run more of a standard 3-4. I would not be surprised if they made a grab for Taylor in the 1st, and moved Ratliff to end. Not likely, but possible with Ryan there, in my opinion.
If the Giants and Coughlin falter this year, as many expect, Bill Cowher is a leading candidate to replace him, and with him comes a 3-4 most likely. The Eagles are going thru a defensive transformation, and they could also be considered a candidate for a formation change.
Ryan has already said he isn't moving Ratliff
for whatever that’s worth. I don’t see them grabbing Taylor, though, unless they move back. They have big needs in the secondary and on the offensive line.
Who knows what the Iggles are going to do with their newly promoted O line coach D-coordinator. Strange move.
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I love him, but I also think he being a little over-hyped due to a lack of a true premeir NT in this draft. I think he will go in the 1st, but I don’t think it will be until the 2nd half of the 1st.
When I say he may be a 2 down linemen, I’m basing a lot of this on what I saw of him at PSU. He had problems with conditioning. I’ll admit, I din’t watch Baylor Football this season, but I did see pleanty of his highlights. He reminds me of Cody a bit in his conditioning.
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Don't know what the big deal is... He's 6'3" (Orakpo is 6'4")... if needed, he can carry more weight.
Even at 237, he is heavier than all RBs he’ll face (tackles). He’ll run at least a 4.5, making him quicker than most RBs and all OTs. He’ll get to the QBs when rushing-the-passer and to the RBs when tackling! Why does he need to be 250 for that?
He won't get a chance to face a RB..
When he can’t hold the edge against a OT, OG, or even TE. Unless you have him playing OLB in a 4-3.
I consider myself a one man wolfpack..
This is all academic since he won't be there at #10... besides... I'd rather we trade back or draft DT/DE Jordan Cameron (to replace AH)
DT/DE Jordan Cameron embarrased all O-linemen at the Senior Bowl. I can imagine Orakpo and Jordan rushing the edge!
If he can come into the combine weighing between 247-250
and still run a 4.6-4.7, then I’ll change my mind on Mr Miller. Until that happens, the jury is still out.
What the NFL boys were saying about Quinn had me salavating. Can’t wait to see him work out.
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No one thought Orakpo would be there for us... so Quinn could be there at #10
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Clay Mathews showed up at his Combine at 6’3" 240pds! He packed-on 15 extra pounds this season and seems to be doing well.
NFL.com’s Combine site http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/von-miller?id=2495202 has Von Miller listed at 6’3" 243pds.
If Von Miller showed up at 243pds, he’s already ahead of the curve.
That weight was pre-weigh in
LB’s don’t weigh in until fri or sat I believe
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Miller came in at 246
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If Quinn is there you gotta take him.
I really do see the defense as the importance. Our D can make turnovers very well with bad pass rush, so with good pass and run defense, our D can shut down teams and overcome a moderate offense. But the O will be better. If McNabb stays, your looking at Torain with an improved O-Line. Hopefully Moss, Armstrong and a FA WR like Breaston to give Moss some space, and a defense that is dominant and built for the 3-4. Our offense can go deep, and when you don’t have too much consistency, that works really well with a dominant defense.
by Andrew DeFrank on Feb 24, 2011 10:26 PM EST reply actions
Good points... for all the complaining about our QBs and our WRs... we still ended the season 8th overall in passing!
Could McNabb be better next year? Settled into our offense, behind an improved O-line?
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Those numbers were hugely inflated due to us usually being down against most teams. The passing yards came in garbage time.
These stats are much more telling of the offense:
3rd down %
Red Zone scoring
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You're right... 3rd Down % is what counts... I'm just saying that maybe it wasn't as abysmal as it seems.
I’m wondering if Shanny really likes any of the QBs available this year. I don’t think he’ll take any in the 1st round… maybe if Ponder or Locker are there in the 2nd!
Yes
If Quinn falls(and the staff isn’t sold on Newton, or he’s gone) we have to take him.
I don’t see how McNabb stays. If Moss remains our #1 option, no team will respect the pass. If torain remains our #1 option, no team will respect the run. If Grossman is our QB, no team will respect our passing game.
When you look at our offense realistically(without burgundy and gold glasses on), you will see below average talent at QB(Rex would be in the bottom 10 of NFL starters – please don’t even try to argue this). Torain, although he’s still a relative unknown, would still be in the bottom 1/3 of starting NFL running backs. Our WR corps(as a whole), would prob rank in the bottom 5 in the entire NFL. And finally, our interior OL(C and G’s), would rank in the bottom 1/3 or the NFL. The only thing keeping our O-Line afloat is our OT’s.
TE is the ONLY position on offense that could be considered a strength, and using the word strength would prob be stretching it.
Now, on defense. OLB could use a stud opposite Rak, but not every team has 2 dominate LB’s. Without looking it up, can anyone tell me who plays opposite Matthews in GB? I didn’t think so. I can live with a combo of Alexander, Wilson and Jackson. FWIW, I was pleasantly surprised with the play of Jackson when he was inserted into game at the end of the season.
I can also live with our DE’s, if we add a solid FA to play opposite Carriker. We’ve mentioned Branch’s name more than once. Also, we don’t know whats going to become of Haynesworth. At MLB, don’t forget we have a young Reiley, and a healthy Henson returning along with Fletch and Mac.
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Unless the staff
has AJ Green and Julio Jones at the top of their boards, I don’t see how we can pass up the defensive talent at the top of this draft. Its pretty obvious that the best players in the draft this year are on defense. Our team needs all of the talent that it can get, almost anywhere we can get it. We have to take the best player (according to our coaches) available at #10.
I just think fans are going to be very upset
with another year of Rex behind center, and no help surrounding him.
I’m a defensive guy, always have been, but the Offense, or lack there of, trumps all other needs at this point IMO.
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So we should reach on a player
because he plays offense? Logic like this is the reason why we’ve sucked for the last 10 years.
No we shouldn't reach at all
There are offensive players who some don’t consider to be a reach at all at #10. Newton and Jones are both worthy of the #10 selection. Gabbert(by many) would also not be considered a reach.
We all know Locker wouldn’t be a reach in the second. If we could secure the services of Quinn somehow in the 1st and then take Locker in the 2nd, that could work. I firmly believe we need so skill on this team, or we will remain pedestrian at best(even if we improve the O-Line). We can prob all agree that the combination of Grossman, Torain, and Moss/AA, are not going to win us many games.
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If we could get Quinn and Locker...
I’d do something foolish out of pure glee.
I consider myself a one man wolfpack..
Thats why id Cam is there at #10
we have to pull the trigger. He may be raw, but he instantly make our 1 dimensional offense very dangerous.
Thats the impact 1 player can have.
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Something tells me Shanny is not impressed with any of this years' QBs.
I think that even if he trades back, he’ll still wait until the 2nd round to pick a QB!
Waiting until the 2nd could be a mistake
If thats the case, I’d rather bring in Alex Smith, Vince Young or keep McNabb(and I really hate all of these options)
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Why?
Were are we going with Rex at QB? Surely not to the playoffs. There is a reason why he is no longer a starter in this league.
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I'm not arguing that Grossman is a playoff quarterback, or even better than McNabb
what I am saying is that Grossman for under a million dollars, was roughly the same to McNabb who ended up costing $16 million, and two draft picks.
Guys like Newton, Gabbert etc. aren’t Bradford or Ryan. These aren’t guys who are going to start from day one (and they don’t have near the supporting casts). These guys shouldn’t be playing year one, and if you force them to, they won’t put up good numbers or lead the Skins to many wins.
Long term those guys are likely better (but no guarantee) of course, but they will cost a premium pick, that could be used to find a stud at another position of need, that will actually make the Redskins better this year and in the future, and more money. I’ll easily take Grossman and an Aldon Smith/Cam Jordan, over Newton and Vonnie Holiday
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if he sees the field...Newton looks great on tape and drills, but he doesn't have the statline and NFL skill to back it up
There’s no doubt that Vince Young adds another dimension for the Titans, but he is hardly worth a 1st round pick
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
If we had a "normal team", with an established QB
I would want:
Quinn(still #1)
Dareus
Smith
And maybe an Interior Linemen in the 2nd.
But, our team is anything but normal.
Are you not entertained?
I love what I'm hearing from Miller (though no way he is there at 10)
he’s gonna be a stud
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
Thats pretty good weight
up almost 10 lbs from the Senior Bowl. Encouraging to say the least.
Are you not entertained?
and it is bigger than a number of other OLB's have been in past years.
Still need to see how he looks in the drills with the added weight, but i have a good feeling about him.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
Yeah
Me Too. If he looks fluid in drills, drops well into his zones, and shows the expected athleticism, I may have to eat some crow here.
My concern is if he can maintain that weight. 246 is solid, but during the course of a season, players are usually down 3-5lbs. This would put him in the low 240’s.
He definitly proved a lot to some of the naysayers like myself, by showing he can add weight. Now, lets just see how he carries in in the drills and skills.
Are you not entertained?
At the poduim..
Miller: “I could never play like Clay Matthews, but his willingness getting to the football, I could do that.”
I consider myself a one man wolfpack..
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