Hogs Haven Mock Draft: Picks 9-16
Wow...you guys really got after it yesterday. I was pleased to see that I was ahead in the "Who's the best GM poll?" poll, even though in the comments section I was taking a beating ahead of my anticipated pick for our beloved burgundy and gold.
As many of you have read, I have advocated dedicating EVERY possible resource to the rebuilding of our offensive line. With both guns blazing, I have told anyone who would listen that I would be okay with spending both our 1st and 2nd round picks on the offensive line.
Imagine my surprise when...
I totally went and picked a non-offensive lineman. Here are the results of the next 8 picks:
9. Dallas Cowgirls (Tiller): Nate Solder, OT, Colorado
10. Washington Redskins (Ken): Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M
11. Houston Texans (Parks): Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado
12. Minnesota Vikings (Kevin): Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State
13. Detroit Lions (Tiller): Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa
14. St. Louis Rams (Ken): Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
15. Miami Dolphins (Parks): Cam newton, QB, Auburn
16. Jacksonville Jaguars (Kevin): Cameron Jordan, DE, Cal
So with Von Miller falling to #10, I thought to myself..."You know, watching our defense play last season was--at times--worse than watching a prison rape scene in a movie based on true events. Maybe it would be okay to address that."
If we are going to get serious about the 3-4, then we need to upgrade our linebacking corps. There is no way around that. Von Miller is currently considered the best pass rusher in the draft. That will of course change daily between now and the draft, but with him and Orakpo holding down the OLB spots, I would feel a lot better about our defense. Our blitzing options would increase, as would the thought process opposing offenses would have to engage in prior to each snap. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this one...
I sincerely doubt that Miller drops to us at #10, but if he does, I think we have to take him. Just to cover myself a little, I think that this pick would be made easier if we sign at least one, if not two, starting offensive linemen in free agency. I would still be looking to add a rookie offensive lineman in the 2nd round or--if what Bruce Allen tells us is real--with one of the 3rd and/or 4th round picks we are able to pick up before the draft.
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DL or OL
would be the better fit. The run defense wasn’t good (due to the ineptness of AH/Ma’kee (sp?)), and the OL kept McNabb either in the fetal position or running for his life. This is more important than grabbing V. Miller. Or better yet trade down and grab more picks and become frugal with signing FA’s!
The Jags are a 4-3 team
Cam Jordan is a player who best projects to 3-4 DE. Although DE is a need for the Jags, I don’t think Jordan represents the best option for them. Aldon Smith, DE from Missouri, who’s flying up the draft boards, would have been a good option. He played injured in 2010, but when fully healthy, he is dominate.
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Not to toot my own horn..
But the Vikings now have the best Tackle in the league and the Jags arguably one of the best DEs in the draft…I’m surprised Cam fell that far.
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wait until the draft when Jordan gets picked somewhere in the late teens, early 20’s.
and the Jags arguably one of the best DEs in the draft
Maybe one of the better 3-4 DE’s. Definitly not one of the best 4-3 DE’s.
Plus, doesn’t Minny have Loadholt and McKinnie at T’s?
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McKinnie has really started to fall off these last two years
Jordan could play in either system, but his best system is def. 3-4 end.
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I just don't see Jordan as that speed rushing-edge presence
that’s required of a 4-3 DE. He’s more of a penetrator, which is why a lot of scouts like him for the 3-4. He’s definitly capable of playing around 295-305.
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Oh he's not a speed rusher (though quick for his size)
He’ll get some pressure, and obviously be a good run defender as a 4-3 end, then on passing downs kick inside next to Kevin Williams and let a speed guy be on the outside.
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 22, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
My bad...i had in my head Jordan to the Vikings
Still like him for Jags, though their pass rush is more of a concern.
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 22, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Hahaha
He’s definitly capable of playing around 295-305.
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by TerpsAllTheWay on Feb 22, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Ken
Julio Jones was a great pick for the Rams at #14. If this were to happen, this offense would become dangerous.
Two solid OT’s, a franchise QB, a stud RB, and now a weapon at WR.
Good “value and need” pick
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I love Sam Bradford and just had to do that for him
He is my Madden quarterback.
by Ken Meringolo on Feb 22, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
You had the easy road this round...
Redskins + a no brainer for the Rams
by Parks Smith on Feb 22, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
in my franchise, I (LA Sharks aka Vikings)
I traded 2 of my 3 first rounders (I’ve had 9 in 3 years) for 96 ovr. Sam Bradford. Damn was it worth it. How’d I get all those picks? Bye bye Sid Rice, Kevin Williams, etc. Etc. My team is so damn beastly
by Andrew DeFrank on Feb 22, 2011 10:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think we each need to Blurb a little on our picks
to give our readers an idea of why we picked who we did.
Here’s mine:
- - Dallas Cowboys – Nate Solder OT Colorado – I wanted to go Prince A here, but since he got taken, the next most logical choice was an OT. Solder, I believe, was a slight reach here, but some team needed to be the first to take an OT, and you know once one team grabs one, the run on OT’s officially begins. Solder can play either Right of Left tackle, and is a big, athletic, powerful man; just what the Cowboys offensive likes. He is an immediate upgrade to any tackle they currently have.
- - Detriot Lions – Again, I wanted to go CB here, but with the top two guys gone, and the next best option being a reach, I decided to give the defense another pass-rushing presence. What is a poor secondary’s best friend? A goor pass rush. And that is what the lions will now have with the likes of Suh and Clayborn. Clayborn was dominate as a junior at Iowa. His production slipped slightly as a senior, but a lot of that had to do with being double teamed by a RB or TE. He is a physical presence, who is strong against the run, and long and quick against the pass. I’d target a CB(Dowling, Williams or Brown) in the 2nd round for the Lioins.
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Solid picks
and solid reasoning. I think Lions fans would be pleased with those.
Personally, I think that they need to draft OL help as badly as we do, but they keep hiding behind the misleading sack stats that their line put up last year. Somehow, they didn’t give up many sacks but they’re going to be rebuilding for the next 6 years if they don’t find a way to keep Stafford alivehealthy.
Yeah, agree OL is yet another priority for this team
Like I said, I really wanted a CB, but since the two studs were off the board, I went defense line.
I think they would be a team that looks to add a veteran presence to the OL in FA, and maybe target a guy like Ziemba in the 3rd.
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Yeah that could work
An Fa plus Ziemba would be a good start for them
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I agree
Why Lions fans try to argue that Jeff Backus is a starting LT is beyond me. Dude has given up like 45 sacks in the last 5 years…that’s insane. I think their sack numbers were so low, because Hill is good at getting the ball out quick and feeling the pressure. Unfortunately it led to more incomplete passes and the 4th lowest yards per attempt in the league. They also had one of the worst yards per carry among running backs.
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wow are they that bad?
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Love the face you put Cowgirls, and a little shocked it wasn't autotagged
I personally think Solder is a reach there. I like Smith, Castonzo better for them.
As for the Lions it is hard to argue against a Clayborn/Suh line, but I do think O-line is there biggest need by far. If they have addressed it in FA then yeah they go pass rusher, but if not they are in a world of hurt again.
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 22, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Costanzo would be a huge reach
and Smith is a better fit for a ZBS team. Solder best fits the mold of a Dallas type OT(Big, Nasty, and physical)
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size wise you are right....Solder is just a boom or bust guy for me
he’s either going to be an elite tackle or he is going to be not a starter. I worry about how soft he is.
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 22, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yea ken where's the poll? lol
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I just added it in...
Ken is scared. Tiller shouldnt get any votes b/c he gave the Cowboys a much needed OL (I would have gone Jake Locker or Kyle Brotzman there).
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 22, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
hahaha....
damn…i was going to retire with all my winnings. I see Kevin has voted already
by Ken Meringolo on Feb 22, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
I'm OK with the Von Miller pick
The more I think about it, the more I think that OLB is a bigger need for us than DE. There is just more talent available to us in this draft at DE, but if the best OLB drops to 10 we either use him as trade bait or we pull the trigger.
I like the trade bait idea
I’ll hold off my opinion on Miller until after the combine. For me, he needs to show me he can add weight, and maintain that weight to be considered an OLB in our 3-4.
FWIW, I really do like Miller a lot. I just have durability concerns we him as it related to his lack of size as a 3-4 OLB.
If he proves me wrong at the combine, I may change my mind.
For OLB, a guy who may(and this is a big MAY)be around in the 2nd round is Justin Houstin from Georgia. He would be an option if he were avaliable.
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I’ll hold off my opinion on Miller until after the combine. For me, he needs to show me he can add weight, and maintain that weight to be considered an OLB in our 3-4.
How is he going to do this at the combine and address you’re durability concerns? What drills would change that perception in your mind?
Kid is nice!
If he’s there in the 2nd(which i’m doubting he will be), then I’m all for it, even though I would still love to have a WR at that pick
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Yeah,
I think Justin Houston will go in the teens somewhere. I wonder how big of a reach he’d be at 10? Haha
i like the picks too
von miller and Rak sounds niiiiiiiice
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Love the Miller Pick
While the needs are great along the o-line and d-line, you can’t pass up a pass rusher like Miller. I really believe he is a top 5 talent, so getting him at 10 is a steal. I too would look Aldon Smith after him as I believe he is another Orakpo (given how long he is DeMarcus Ware might be a better comparison)
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As long as
The compliments go something like “Hey RAK, great sack!”… …..“Thanks Vonny, you had a great sack before mine as well.”
Then yes, this would be a good pick…
Seriously though, any offense only has so many players to commit to a rush. If we had two stud LB’s rushing on either end OR rushing and stunting on the same side, blocking both would be difficult at best
what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Not sure if you caught the game last night. Just a recap.
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Actually I think he is a great complement to Rak Attack
Miller is smaller and more of a speed rusher. He also is better in coverage and instinctive in the run game. As for rushing the passer, when they are both coming QB’s are going to have their hands full (now if we can just get a NT to push the middle).
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Where did you get this?
He also is better in coverage and
He was almost never use in coverage at T A&M. Thats a concern on him.
Do I believe he’s capable of covering, yes, but to say he’s better in coverage, when you never saw him do it, is a fabrication.
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I was tempted to tout Miller's coverage abilities as well
But I think what I really would have meant was that he is athletic enough to come in and hang with the tight ends in our division. There are very few exceptions when it comes to rookie linebackers being able to cover well as rookies. I would be shocked if Miller was able to cover Witten next year. But I would also be shocked if Witten had a lot of YAC.
by Ken Meringolo on Feb 22, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
I'd take it a step further
not only is he athletic enough, but his instincts are off the charts. I don’t think his learning curve with be that big.
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I definitly think he CAN cover
it’s just he hasn’t been asked to do it, so as of now, it’s an unknown.
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Stevo
think about this. Miller’s best trait was his pass rushing ability. What do you see a hybrid OLB do most on 3rd down……….rush the passer. He rarely dropped into coverages because he was always sent after the QB.
Now, at the Senior Bowl, all the scouts wanted to see how he would play in coverage, and he did a descent job according to reports.
Again, don’t mean this to be attacking, but the one thing lacking with him was actual game footage of him in coverage; just because he wasn’t asked to do it much at A&M.
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You are right he didn't do much in college
but there were times he covered the screen out of the backfield and he displayed good recognition. During Senior Bowl week, I thought he looked very good in coverage as well as during the game. Both in recognition, positioning and fluidly in his hips. He didn’t ever look stiff or flat footed. I believe he’ll show that again at the combine.
Now on 3rd downs you are right he’ll be attacking the QB, but what i’m talking about are on 1st and 2nd down passing. Normally you only have one of your rush linebackers blitzing on those downs.
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I get what you are saying
but just because he doesn’t have a ton of game film doesn’t mean it just has to be speculation. When you look at size, speed, instincts, fluidity etc. those are all indicators he can cover.
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 22, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Thats like saying
just because carl Lewis was fast, long, lean and could jump that he would make a good NFL WR.
Coverage has a lit to do with hips. For all we know he could be stiff-hipped. I don’t think he is, but we don’t have anything to measure that on.
Thats my only point here.
We’ll know more this time next week.
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I believe Chubbs Peterson said it best:
“It’s all in the hips…it’s all in the hips.”
by Ken Meringolo on Feb 22, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Well the Raiders signed a number of track stars...
haha but seriously, I think it is the instincts that separate Miller, he is exceptional at reading the football and knowing where guys will be. As for the hip fluidity, yes we will know more after the combine, but you can see a lot of it in his rushing of the passer at Texas A&M, he’s not stiff at all. And the Senior Bowl did show the same.
The combine will be the icing on the cake for the determination, but I think it will be pretty clear that Miller is perhaps the best coverage LB in this draft.
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Is phill taylor a reach here at 10?
just asking?
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I thought about Taylor at #11 with Houston b/c of their switch to the 3-4. Here is what I thought:
I’ve always looked at the draft as a gambling game for teams, you don’t only need to look at your team but see what you can maybe get down the road based on the needs of other teams. Let’s face it Houston doesn’t need much on the offense and they need a lot of help on defense especially switching to the 3-4. My first thought was Nose Tackle, but guys like Powe, Ellis, and Paea should still be around in the 2nd when the Texans are up, based on the other teams need in the first. So I decided to take Smith and focus on a dire need for the Texans in the secondary.
I like Smith, he’s a big, physical corner.
i really mean for us....
i like von miller as much as anybody, but if opposing o-linemen can get 2 rak and miller won’t their presence be negated?
what do ya’ll think about drafting a top notch NT with the 10? or do we wait till’ the second round?
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I think you wait
I like Taylor as much as anyone and could see him developing into a star, but Miller already is one, and that is what you have to go with. There will be other NT’s who are an improvement on what we have (though not a down right star), getting a stud OLB and a decent NT for me is a good combo. Now if they trade back into late first round range then you have to consider Taylor.
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He a big reach. Mainly because he is going to be a two-down player. Teams usually don’t spend that high a pick on a player who is not considered to be on the field every down.
Some are comparing him to Raji, but those comparisons are unfair. Raji was at a whole different level when he got drafted.
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I dunno...Stafford is a tough guy...they can go by another year w/o a Tackle

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by TerpsAllTheWay on Feb 22, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
They can def use a 2nd or 3rd on a T
or go the FA route.
I still thing they need a CB with the 1st two picks.
I really didn’t like the OT’s enough to give them one at #13. I think Solder is the best OT in the draft, and I still felt he was a slight reach to the Cowgirls.
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or—if what Bruce Allen tells us is real—with one of the 3rd and/or 4th round picks we are able to pick up before the draft.
Can you point me to the post/article where BA said this? I’m not saying he didn’t say that (I do believe you), I just missed it and would like to read where that came from.
He actually told me on a phone call
No joke…I spoke to him on a 15 minute call about 2-3 weeks ago and he indicated he thought they would end up with additional picks there. So that is first-hand. I have also heard where some of the beat guys have been told that as well. GP on 106.7 and Chris Russell on 980 I think both were told similar things, though I could be wrong. It could be just wishful thinking, but who knows?
by Ken Meringolo on Feb 22, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Wait a minute we have a G.M. who actually likes getting 3rd and 4th round picks??
This is such a novel concept in DC…now if we can not draft the Chad Rienhardts and draft well, we might get something going.
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 22, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Wait a minute we have a G.M. who actually likes getting 3rd and 4th round picks??
Well, he did trade away this years ones.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 22, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
True,
though at least it wasn’t a net loss in terms of a pick, we just lost two rounds and 10 draft spots, for a year of Brown. Not great, esp. because he didn’t perform, but worth a shot. It wasn’t my favorite move by any means, but not nearly as bad as McNabb. Honestly I still think Shanahan runs the show in targeting players and draft picks.
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 22, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Give him time
If he can re-coup them, I’ll give him a pass, but just this once. : )
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Wow
I think the fact that you heard it from him directly, and not in some article, means that this is very likely – which in turn, makes me very happy.
by preppiejack on Feb 22, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Almost makes you think
that he has some trades worked out already and is just waiting for the CBA to be able to execute them.
Almost.
I voted for Kevin for the first eight rounds, but I think he's the odd man out here
I have parks, Tiller, and Ken as almost dead even with both their pics being a real help to those football teams.
In my mind, Kevin really blew it with the Minnesota pick.
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Yeah,
not feeling the Minny pick, and Cam Jordan to Jax is questionable as well. I had to go with Ken in this round. I think Parks picks have the most potential to be great picks, but Ken did us a solid with Von Miller and Julio Jones to STL is a no-brainer. Basically, Ken’s picks are guaranteed to work out, but Parks has the boom-or-bust factor. Tiller did a nice job too. Nothing surprising about his picks, good or bad, they are pretty standard fare for both of those teams. I think that those teams would do better in the 1st round if the positions that they drafted were flipped, though (DE to Dallas and OT to Detroit.)
Radon Rondell whoops... I mean Cam Newton just fits Miami to me.
I can just really see (S)Cam taking his talents to South Beach and sitting courtside at the Heat games. Sparano is concerned with keeping his job, so a project QB will help him buy some time and the Miami’s slew of celebrity owners are more concerned with selling tickets and jerseys, and a guy like Newton will help that more than anyone.
by Parks Smith on Feb 22, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't like the pick even though McNabb had a career day against their secondary.
I think you might see Aldon Smith or Cameron Jordan land at that spot with there switch to the 3-4.
I consider myself a one man wolfpack..
That was really the pick
that made me call you the ‘boom or bust’ guy. (From what little I know about him) Smith could come in and be really good, or he could show that he was a huge reach in the 1st round. I think the more likely thing is that he comes in and is solid, but Houston’s defense continues to stink it up so badly that its hard to tell any real improvement.
well CBSportsline said he's the best pick ever.
by Parks Smith on Feb 22, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
You need to double-check that player like Cerrato I did on Wikipedia.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 22, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I think a lot of people are jumping onto the Ken bandwagon because of von Miller…
I do believe that von Miller will be a star that sells jerseys and can be very productive on the field IN THE RIGHT SYSTEM.
I just have this dreadful feeling that if he comes here he will be misused just like all the rest of our best players on defense (save Landry) last year. I don’t think Jim Haslett has the football mind of a Dom capers or Dick LeBeau. He seems to be a one trick pony and every little wrinkle he tries to put into the defense makes it worse. Remember that formation (can’t remember the name) where everybody was standing around at the line and we only had two real defensive lineman? And we actually use this formation ON SECOND DOWN?
He really could be the next Clay Matthews on the right team, but I don’t think it will be here.
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I think Haslett misused Landry in the Monday Nightmare
but other than that, Landry was pretty brilliant. At least some of that has to be from the DC.
I agree, Jim Haslett was very good at putting Landry in position to make plays
Unfortunately, he couldn’t do the same with anybody else on the team. Orakpo was an average player in the system last year. All he does is get pushed completely to the backside of the pocket 90% of the time. How many times have you seen a linebacker/lineman stunt? Is it delayed blitz even in our playbook? Carlos Rogers is a very sure tackler and yet I think he blitzed the quarterback maybe once? It’s just a very vanilla 34, and with von Miller size, he needs to be used creatively in my opinion.
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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 22, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
The formation you described is actually a staple in Green Bay.
Lets be honest, Haslett didn’t have the greatest tools in the world to work with this past year for a 3-4, so I’m going to give him more time before I hang him. Some will point at STL or NO. But he actually did a pretty damn good job in New Orleans with a crazy owner.
You didn’t like our amoeba defense versus Indy? I think we should do that full time.
by Parks Smith on Feb 22, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
The game plan for the indie game was very good, I had forgotten about that
And I should have mentioned that lack of talent probably was tying his hands somewhat. The players were also unfamiliar with the system.
I don’t think that Adam Carreker was a bad pickup at all, he was making plays the last three games and I think fans will be happy with his production going forward.
Where we really suffered talent wise (these positions were almost worthless)-
free safety
right inside linebacker
left outside linebacker
nose tackle (though we got average production the last few games out of Bryant)
I would be really happy to see the Redskins pick von Miller at 10 (if we can’t trade down and he falls to us). And to see Jim Haslett actually start being creative with our outside linebackers and defensive line. I don’t think it’s totally unrealistic, but could be more like the boom or bust scenario that Carver laid on your pics.
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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 22, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
There is a little more than just the Von Miller pick working for me and the "Ken bandwagon"
I’ll remind you of a little thing called the swimsuit competition
by Ken Meringolo on Feb 22, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
HaHa
If I had seen such competition, I might change my mind
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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 22, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
This is how it'd go...
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 22, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
will you be wearing the white towel again?
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 22, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
That towel has been retired
It has seen too much
by Ken Meringolo on Feb 22, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
And to think...
Someone at that Canton Motel 6 probably washed their face with it the next day.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 22, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Ummm Interesting
I recall a certain guy ( Clear my throat ) suggested this defensive pick on a post a week or so ago and people on this site pushed back and said he was not worth it.

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