Potential Bargain Contracts: Landry, Davis, Lichtensteiger
by StephanHart on Dec 7, 2011 12:58 PM EST
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PrintThe 2011-2012 season for the Washington Redskins can be summed up in one word: Disappointment. Not that expectations should have been too high. Most fans and experts understood going in that this was another rebuilding year and that the probable ceiling for wins was 7 to 8 games....9 or 10 wins, if everything went right.
Everything did NOT go right.
The suspensions of Trent Williams and Fred Davis for drug violations are just the most recent of the many disappointments of this season; however, there is a potentially valuable silver lining to the let-downs this team has experienced this season: Bargain contracts for the following starters:
1. Fred Davis
The Problem: In the final year of his contract, Davis has had a breakout season which would have led to big time FA dollars. Now serving a 4 game suspension, Fred is one drug violation away from a year-long minimum suspension, severely limiting his chances for a long-term contract offer.
The Solution: Fred failed his drug test after the lockout ended and before the season started. So the hope is that he has decided to change his habits to avoid such trouble in the future. To prove this, Davis will most likely have to sign a short-term deal for less guaranteed money. Perhaps the Redskins can secure their starting TE for a one year contract for between $2-4 million.
2. LaRon Landry
The Problem: Since his achilles tendon injury last season, LaRon has yet to be completely healthy. He has also not lived up to his value as the 6th overall pick in his draft class. I think two possibilities exist for Landry. Either he simply needs to get healthy to return to form, or his body could be breaking down after use of performance enhancing drugs and his best football could be behind him.
The Solution: In either case, Landry hasn't earned elite money. This affords the chance for the Redskins to sign him to a modest, 2 year deal. If he demands a Polomalu-typ contract, let him walk, but Landry should come at a lower price. He still has much to prove.
The Problem: A dirty play by the Eagles to hit an unbalanced Lichtensteiger after the whistle left our starting LG with torn ligaments in his knee, and during his contract year.
The Solution: Kory was playing well and his injury should cause his FA price tag to shrink significantly. Assuming he comes back healthy, the Redskins could resign him to a very modest contract and lock down the left side of the line.
If these players can be brought back healthy with modest contracts, the Redskins could get a lot of value from their starting TE, SS, and LG positions.
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i don’t think people talk about it enough but laron’s injury issues could be attributed to ped use. theres a limit you can take your body too and i think training as hard as he does is a detriment. alot of stress on joints, ligaments, muscle fiber etc…
I think the training thing is the point, I wouldn't necessarily say PED use since he's never tested positive
but the over training could def. be the issue.
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nobody can train like he does without PEDs
the guy is blasting himself in the weight room the night before games and claiming the “swole” makes him play better…..let him walk, he’s always going to be injured
DJ Gomes
I was impressed by his performance against Dallas at FedEx. He came in and played well in his first start as a pro and was thrown into numerous situations against Jason Whitten a pro bowl TE and he really held his own and should only improve, granted its a small sample size but is an interesting option in considering what should be done with landry. i hope to see gomes get more opportunities in upcoming games instead of doughty who everyone knows what he offers to the table
what is this speculation central?
on your own favorite team no less. get off his nutz….he hasn’t tested positive. stop being an ass
The problem is that those are pretty big IFS
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
Well I gave very general comments about their potential contract values because I'm not a GM
But I would say that it’s a safe bet that all of their FA values have been hurt by this season.
Definitely, I agree about their value as free agents
But in these cases of injury I think it is a mistake in both cases to assume a healthy 2012 seasons.
In Williams case, I think the odds are high that he will be suspended for a year in the next two years. He has had commitment issues almost his entire career, why were that suddenly change? I think we now know why I did not attend any of the player organized workouts during the lockout… he was too busy enjoying himself and putting the team second.
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 7, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha The odds are high
I see what you did there
I want to get high, so high. I want to get high, so high. Sleepy, Silverback, and I are going to roll a blunt if anyone wants to join us.
by 64ShagginWagon on Dec 7, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Leron Landry...PEDS?
Is this a fact or just an assumption/rumor? I don’t recall him ever getting busted for PEDs but freely admit I could have missed it.
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
such as?
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
He has had very rapid muscle growth and joint/ligament injuries
It’s a speculative thing, but it’s possible Landry has used PEDs
while it would not surprise
me at this point if Landry or any other pro athelete is using peds. I’m not sure I agree with the leap you made in your statement. 1. The NFL tests for for perfromance enhancing drugs (albeit not enough and with some limitations), 2. Looking at phots from him in his LSU days, and he does not seem much bigger, and 3. I dont think joint/ligament injuries alone means the guy is using.
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
I hear you
I’m just saying your statement below makes it sound definitive that he has
“Either he simply needs to get healthy to return to form, or his body could be breaking down after use of performance enhancing drugs and his best football could be behind him.”
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
Wait a minute....
He has been in the league for 5 seasons right? Correct me if I am wrong but he got injured at he end of last year during an outstanding pro bowl season, which by he way was due to the fact that he was being used properly by a defensive coordinator for the first time, but that’s neither here not there. So he gets an injury does not have the benefit of rehabbing with team trainers in the off seasons, post a twitter comment about being rushed back and re-injuring the achilles or what have you. Then he has hamstring issues as a lot of guys have had this year due to the shortened off-season. Now the guy has “injury issues,” and must be “over-training?” He may warrant a modest contract, but the injury concerns are jumping off a cliff a bit. No one had complaints about him the 1st half of last year. Clearly he should never play FS, but as a SS in this scheme he is a monster, point blank. I may be wrong, but it seems like not having a solid FS (when OJ has been out) is when the team is vulnerable when he gambles wrong.
Redskins @RGIII - 2012
The off-season is the off-season for a reason man. It's football.
Continuity of care does wonders for those who are injured. Just ask the guy who is going to be replaced by Andre Luck – Peyton Manning
Redskins @RGIII - 2012
That would be super funny...
if the Colts accidentally drafted Andre Luck instead of Andrew. Oh man, that would be classic.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
Landry is going to want big money and we shouldn't pay.
"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
At this point
I wouldn’t be the least bit upset if any or all of these guys were gone next year. Landry’s act is old, Davis is immature and inconsistent, and Lichtenwhoolzle is, well, replaceable.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Dec 7, 2011 6:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hasn't Davis been the most consisten offensive weapon so far his year?
He’s top 3 or 4 in receiving yards among tight ends.
Redskins @RGIII - 2012
Sure
In one of the worst offenses in the league. And I’m not talking just this year, I’m saying his entire career he’s been inconsistent. He’s like Scarlett Johansen in Maxim – you see enough to tantalize you but, in the end, you always end up wanting more.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
He has been playing behind CC and developing.
He gets his time to shine and he took advantage of it. He’s a match-up problem, you don’t just let him walk. It’s like Scarlett Johansen pulling her Maxim photos out and showing them to you with a wink and a smile. Something pretty tremendous might be on deck. You don’t just walk away from that.
Redskins @RGIII - 2012
Actually, he's had his
“time to shine” twice now. And he took advantage of it both times. Two years ago he had his breakout campaign. Then last year he seemed to take things for granted, and didn’t impress Shanny enough to warrant a ton of PT. Then he breaks out again this year, and now this. I don’t question his talent. What I question is his commitment. And, the fact is, he’s not as special as he would’ve been 3-4 years ago. A lot of teams have über athletic tight ends now.
Anyway, I’m no saying I don’t think they should resign him. I just hope their cautious. But I’m also saying that it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he’s gone next year.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I agree
Landry just gets paid to workout and head-hunt in games, we need a playmaker for that high of a draft pick and $. He has had 1/2 a real good season in his career here. not impressed me yet other than that. Davis is a hell of a player, but he needs to grow up, replaceable, Lich is ok, but replaceable too. Hopefully we can have a good draft where guys produce and do not get hurt…..oh how I long to talk about my Skins with confidence.
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If LaRon had spent less time building his biceps...
…maybe he’d be more able to wrap his arms around the ball carrier?
Just saying. He looks like he’s walking round with an invisible, rolled up carpet under each arm.
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Wrap?
Hahaha. Seriously, I’m beginning to think there’s a penalty system we don’t know about that fines players for actually wrapping up ball carriers.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Nothing excuses his tackling sometimes, but...
The gear of God he imposes on opposing players has some value. It was like that game where Sean Taylor beat the breaks off of T.O. to the point he refused to catch the ball eventually. Landry broke Laurant Robinson off in that first cowboys game and was a now show when catching the ball for the remainder of the game. Tackling is a must, but the fear factor does have some value.
Redskins @RGIII - 2012
I'll agree that fear factor has some value...
but I don’t think Landry’s is wildly high. He doesn’t even touch the fear factor of a Sean Taylor.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
According to John Keim Licht is a restricted free agent, so I'm sure they will bring him back for a year on that deal
as for the rest I’m sure it will cheapen their contracts a bit, but I don’t think it will be major.
I think the big thing that will change with be the guaranteed aspect of these deals, but overall I’d guess Davis still gets an average of $5 million a year (even with possible longer suspensions looming over them Santonio Holmes got a long term deal at really good money, and Vincent Jackson will do the same this offseason)
As for Landry he might not get as long of a deal, but I’d guess he still looks to be in the $6 million range.
I hope we can get these guys for less, but right now i’m not banking on it.
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^^^ That's how I see it.
They are still pretty talented players and they will command decent money, probably a bit more than they should.
My preference would be to keep all three (the point above on Landry’s intimidation factor is taken, by the way), even if it means overpaying slightly.
If they ask for silly money, they let them walk, in the following order; Lich, Landry, Davis.
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by Stephen Beagrie on Dec 8, 2011 7:45 AM EST up reply actions
yeah they will def. get more than they should given their inconsistent play and current issues
my order for keeping them would be Landry, Davis, Licht (who I think will def. be kept). If Davis does want crazy money it is a lot easier for him to walk, since we have Cooley and it is far easier to get solid TE play on the cheap.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
Licht is the only one I really want back.
But at bargain prices in case he doesn’t recover from his injury.
Landry can walk.
I’d prefer to have Davis back but he’s such a dipshit we can’t overpay for him.
"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Landry should be resigned
to often do the Redskins let their most talented players walk away from the team. He is a hard worker and on of the best players on the team.
Nice post Stephan
Sorry I was out Wed and Thurs sick…front page material for sure.
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