Looks Like Someone Has a Sixpack of the Mondays
by Ken Meringolo on Dec 5, 2011 10:58 AM EST
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Print1. Looks like Trent Williams and Fred Davis will have a lot of time to start getting ready for next season. I don't get the sense that Redskins fans are at all outraged over this, but that is likely due to our lack of playoff contention. It would have been fitting for us to be in the hunt for a playoff spot only to lose our starting left tackle and breakout tight end for the stretch run. In a contract year, Fred Davis' agent can not be sitting in the happy chair. I would imagine that if the Redskins tried to get too cute with how they sign Fred Davis this offseason, they could lose him to another interested team. My question: Will the Redskins be the most interested team in Fred Davis this offseason? As for losing Trent Williams, it seems as clear now as it ever has that we need to bring in a stud tackle through the draft. Whether that guy plays left or right tackle remains to be determined, but one thing is for sure: he should be ready to play both.
2. Great time in the parking lot had by all yesterday it seemed. Those are the kinds of days that just beg for Redskins wins. We have been giving A+ efforts in the parking lots for years now. As soon as the Washington Redskins start to get after it on the field the way we get after it in our tailgates, we will really have something.
3. Green Bay is hanging in there for me and my 19-0 prediction. I would have been super pissed if the Giants had derailed that. The Packers are taking spirited shots from every opponent at this point. Think about this: In the year New England went 16-0, they played the Giants at the end of the regular season and beat them...that's right: 38-35. In the postseason, the Giants had their number and stole their Super Bowl championship away. It is not inconceivable to think these two teams could meet in the playoffs. Green Bay owes the Giants anyway...Brett Favre's last pass as a Packer was an interception to the New York Giants in the NFC Championship Game.
4. I took some heat by suggesting that because of Mike Shanahan's relationship with Urban Meyer, Tim Tebow could have somehow found a way to Washington. Ultimately, I have to believe that the Shanahans were married to their own style of offense, and did not want to reinvent the wheel for Tebow. But for people who believe in Tim Tebow--and I would be shocked if Shanahan didn't, at some level, have a belief in what Tim Tebow could do--life is very, very good.
5. We are getting to the time of year when Redskins fans ask themselves that age old question: who am I going to root for this postseason? I remember years when I could not even watch the first week of the playoffs (or more) because the Redskins were not in them. I have gotten over that. I have a financial interest in the Green Bay Packers staying undefeated, but that won't stop me from rooting for the Broncos if they were to meet in the Super Bowl. Oh...what's that? You can't see that one coming? Get real people. If Tebow is this clutch in the regular season, imagine the ways he is going to steal games in the playoffs. Raise your hand if you think God has a Vegas bet on Denver reaching the Super Bowl.
6. Yesterday, a friend from a neighboring tailgate asked me to mention something in this space. Drew, if you're reading this, consider it mentioned. If my life was on the line, I could not pull whatever it was you wanted me to say.
Good tailgate...
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To your first point
I found the news about Davis and Williams far more upsetting than the loss. I can accept the loss; I can’t accept 2 guys who we are planning on rebuilding the franchise around being this irresponsible. I think it’s disgraceful. I really question if we should bring Davis back this offseason. The money might be better spent on a FA WR instead.
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by Redskin44 on Dec 5, 2011 10:06 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Well said
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Williams should also lose his position as offensive captain
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 5, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
WHY IS EVERYONE HERE SO WILLING TO GIVE UP TALENT THAT WE LACK
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
The guys has tested positive 3 times
twice since july alone. He’s Dexter Manley 2.0. At this point would anyone be surprised to hear he can’t read? One more stupid mistake away from either a 1 year or a lifetime ban.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 5, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I would agree with your assessment..
but don’t be niave, smoking blunts is an enormous problem in every organization, as it is in society itself. How do you know the FA WR we sign doesn’t do it himself? These guys just got caught, but I do not believe this is wide spread throughout the NFL.
They got caught 3+ times!
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by Parks Smith on Dec 5, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Time lines and tests
The reports do state multiple times but the time lines seem to have inconsistencies which I would like to have cleared up by the Redskin’s organization and the NFL.
Didn’t we have this same discussion back around week 2, about the players being suspended only to have no suspension…for whatever reasons…
Why do you need a timeline? They broke a rule THREE or MORE times! That's moronic
Davis and Williams were informed earlier in the week that they would be suspended for the year because their positive test for marijuana occurred during the season and was at least their third offense under the policy.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jim_trotter/12/04/redskins.suspensions/index.html#ixzz1ffsmiLWJ
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how does Williams get caught three times in less than two years
How often are they fucking testing that he gets caught three times?!
The question might also be asked
How often are they lighting up to be caught three times? Or is it that they are just really freaking stupid?
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 5, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I'm gonna get burned
From my experience it goes hand in hand. I knew guys that were smart, responsible guys who started smoking way too much weed and they fell off the map and nearly had to drop out of school only to stop entirely and go back to being their old responsible selves again.
Why is that
Your first question? The question should be how stupid are they that they would jeopardize their careers to smoke weed?
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
tons and tons and tons of NFL players smoke week.
that’s just reality.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
On the one hand
I agree, on the other hand, why does it matter? Only in rare cases could someone press that marijuana could be a Performance Enhancing Drug (I had a lifting partner who (I kid you not) could lift on average 50lbs more on a night that he’d smoked before coming to the gym).
If it doesn’t adversely affect their performance, why should they mandate testing for it? Do they make them take breathalizers before entering the facilities? I know it’s not a 1:1 comparison since marijuana is illegal (except in some states with prescriptions) but just because it’s illegal doesn’t give the NFL a mandate to test for it.
Given the level of pain killer addicts the NFL produces, they shouldn't be surprised that guys self medicate with herb.
They felt the need to test for recreational drugs due entirely to PR, and nothing more.
Are Davis and Williams still morons? Yes, but the NFL testing for pot is lame.
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No, reality
Is that it’s against the law. Period. It doesn’t matter that you don’t LIKE the law. It just matters that you don’t BREAK it.
I don’t smoke weed. Never have, never will. But I do drink alcohol which, I realize, CAN be just as bad for you. If someone offered me 3 million dollars, to do my job, and said I couldn’t drink anymore, there wouldn’t be a discussion. Know why? Because I’m not an idiot.
And this isn’t just about these guys. Aside from the fans, they let their teammates down as well. It may seem like nothing because they’re out of the playoffs, but I don’t think the rest of the team is happy that these idiots let them down, regardless of thei record.
You can dismiss it as “everybody else does it” all you want, from the outside. I just hope Davis and Williams don’t try using that argument for themselves. If so, they’re more idiotic and childish than I thought.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Dec 5, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They did let their team down
That’s the sad thing. There is no way anyone who has played any organized team sport could think otherwise. They decided to be selfish and put themselves before the team. Enjoy losing almost 2 mil tw. Davis probably loses even more in the long run since he’s in a contract year.
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How can you be upset with these guys
When Stallworth killed a man and you forgive him. It wasnt performance enhancing drug during the work stoppage or whenever who cares. Im sure that like Stallworth “they feel very remorseful for what they did”. Fred Davis is our offensive MVP this season. they should resign him at all cost
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by Rodskin on Dec 5, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What does this have to do Stallworth?
Was Stallworth on the Skins at the time? No. If he was then certainly every fan would be upset with what happened and how he represented the team, no one is condoning drunk driving.
But how can you not be mad at these morons. They broke a rule 3 or more times. Just b/c people are mad at them now doesn’t mean they won’t embrace them when they are back next season.
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by Parks Smith on Dec 5, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And CBS does not state the test occured during the season, but both
have failed multiple tests…When? Am I to believe 1 report it occured during the season?
Looking for confirmation from Redskins and NFL before I get to excited about being suspended for 4 games.
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Agreed
If it was once, it would not be an issue for me. But as Parks said…3 times! I don’t care if it’s widespread, nor do I have an issue with smoking blunts in and of itself. But if you’re being paid several million $ per year to do something that 100 million males in the US would do for minimum wage, and one the few stipulations is that you can’t use illegal drugs then you’re just plain fucking stupid if you choose to smoke when you KNOW you are going to get tested- case closed
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I think it is widespread in most pro sports
Whether it is performance-enhancing or not, clearly getting busted for this costs both the player and the team (and then the fans). I would be shocked if this causes the Redskins to exit the Fred Davis business altogether though.
Looks like already we have a few people here who are outraged about this. I did not hear one person in the lots or inside the stadium that voiced much anger over it yesterday. Very interesting.
Someone else is going to get a chance it seems in place of Sleepy.
by Ken Meringolo on Dec 5, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I dont think the NFL should test for marijuana
but those two are morons for getting busted multiple times like this, complete imbeciles
They dont test for it in every profession.
and if Davis lived in California and said the weekly collisions caused him bad headaches he’d have a legal prescription for it (state law). Hell, DC passed med marijuana laws and it may be available next year.
Time for society to move on from antiquated views on marijuana, that’s why I’d prefer the NFL wasnt all gestapo about it.
by DCrez on Dec 5, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no but they do test for it in quite a few jobs, and very few of those professions would still allow them to keep their jobs or pay them 6-7 figures a year
I’m sorry there is a responsibility to your team and your contract. Maybe you don’t like the law, but it is like speeding. If you are a repeat offender your insurance is going to go up and you get points on your license. Maybe everyone does it, and maybe ‘its a dumb law’ or whatever you want to say, but there are consequences and everyone knows them.
And as for the whole thing about him being in California that is a weak argument, (for one the headaches would get him out of the NFL). If Plaxico Burress was in some state with less restrictive gun laws he wouldn’t have spent 2 years in jail. It doesn’t work that way
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I understand your argument BUT
As of now they do. The NFL goes to great lengths to communicate to the players about what they can and can’t do. They knew the rules; they broke the rules not once, not twice, but three fucking times. And I would not be as upset if it was somebody like Chester and Stallworth- but these guys are arguably our 2 best players on offense and I think everybody is expecting them to be key components of this team over the next 3-5 yrs
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oh I am not condoning them, they are fools
getting caught 3x is mind-numbingly irresponsible.
was just saying that generally speaking I dont think the NFL should be hard ass about marijuana
Completely agree...
And are they hard asses if they let the first 2 or 3 charges go?
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Exactly
Look, the NFL knows 3 things:
1. Players do drugs
2. They will never completely stop them from doing drugs
3. They HAVE to regulate drug use to keep players in check
So they administer drug tests, usually telling players where and when they will be tested. This keeps drug use in check and creates the real or imagined perception that the NFL is against recreational drug use.
Also, it weed’s out the idiots that can’t even seem to follow simple instructions and keep their drug use in check.
by StephanHart on Dec 5, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and alcohol, and caffeine and etc. etc.
come on that is just dumb, literally thousands of jobs do drug testing. If you want to play in the NFL you have to follow the rules, which are in accordance to law.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 5, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
And to be clear, the NFL practically tells players when they will be tested. This was the case with Davis and Williams.
They failed drug tests during the lockout, and the NFL gave them a pass but told them they would be tested again, and those two STILL got caught.
And I sort of understand people saying that the NFL shouldnt administer drug tests, and they should let the players do what they want, but look at the position NFL and team execs are in. They preside over one of the most successful businesses in America. Allowing a drug culture to flourish within your business is INVITING the chance for failure.
It is a privilege to play in the NFL, make hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of dollars to play a sport. People in privileged positions have to make sacrifices, that’s life. If you can’t stop using drugs, you should move on to a different career.
Disagree
if a rule is illogical it shouldn’t exist. I know that’s getting into bigger political issues (and I’m definitely not trying to start a conversation about that on here) but stupid rules do not encourage discipline and in fact undermine sensible policies.
by SkinsOsTerps on Dec 5, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Agree and disagree
I don’t care about what they were doing, that’s their cup of tea. However when pot is the next cigarettes then crack cocaine is the next “pot”. So perception changes over a course of time. However as for right now, in America It is illegal to smoke pot….therefore them smoking pot and getting caught is even worse. This isn’t the NFLs rule its Americas (minus California)
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
It's not a privilege to play in the NFL, it's a job they players earned.
Teams arent doing the players favors by hiring them, they are trying to win.
a so-called “drug culture” is flourishing in the NFL it’s just that our idiots can’t even do the bare minimum it takes to not get busted 3x
by DCrez on Dec 5, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Because if they don't, it would appear that the NFL condones recreational drug use
Moreover, if you don’t regulate drug use, and create a culture that mitigates it, you are more likely to see more widespread use and abuse and all of the unintentional consequences that come from that.
consequences like Davis having a breakout year?
I think if they didnt test for weed no one would care and the league itself would remain exactly the same. Do the nba/mlb/nhl test for marijuana?
by DCrez on Dec 5, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's your own opinion about marijuana
That fact remains that it is a societal norm to not condone recreational drug use….so the NFL must follow suit
by StephanHart on Dec 5, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The should test for alcohol too then.
Alcohol is a gateway drug. Pot not so much. Stupid fucking rules.
Alcohol is illegal?
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WHAT DOES IT MATTER?
They knew the rules of playing in the NFL. Your questioning the rules that been in place several years and not the stupidty of these 2 guys- I dont get it.
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
If you're the owner and CEO of your own company
Do you tell your employees:
I don’t need to test you for drug use. You can use all the drugs you want as long as it doesn’t affect your job performance.
or do you decide that you think your business would be better suited and successful with employees who did not use and abuse recreation drugs?
17 states and DC have med marijuana laws with 6 states pending
Polls show over 75% of Americans think med marijuana should be legal…“Societal norm” is probably overstating the case.
I’m not saying it’s wrong for the NFL to test, just that they dont have to and no one would care.
There's his loophole
he said “medical marijuana.” The problem is that the hippy legalize it types think that you should be prescribed marijuana for everything from ADD to a runny nose.
sorry i was wrong
it’s 77% according to cbs
and? I said med marijuana
and if you read the poll, you’ll see 77% support med even though 70% dont believe it’s really used for legit medical conditions.
Majority of americans dont care if people smoke pot, that’s where we are as a society today.
They don't care about people sitting on their couches smoking weed
But do you want your doctor lighting up or drinking from his flask when he’s not in surgery?
Or your lawyer?
How about your accountant having a healthy coke habit….no big deal right?
How about your starting LT who is supposed to be focused all year on protecting your QB and opening up gaping holes for your running back.
Joe Blow can sit on his couch and smoke weed all day for all I care….but the people I mentioned above: They are better in their careers without recreational drug use.
You cant say Davis is better without weed.
You have no idea who has been on what drugs at what times throughout sports. I think some pitcher threw a shutout tripping on acid back in the late ‘70s. Not that I condone that crap, but it’s not possible to make assumptions about performance based on Nancy Reagan’s “just say no” mantras.
True, some things can be done just fine while on drugs
But wouldn’t you agree that, in general, an athlete would be far more likely to deliver a peak performance when he isn’t getting high during the season?
honestly i am not sure
I can see the case that evening weed use helps some players get through all the minor concussions and ailments they endure and be ready for practice which helps gameday performance . But of course you can also see where use, most obviously “day of” use, would be bad for their performance
How about tobacco?
Tobacco affects performance far worse than weed. Shouldn’t the league test for tobacco then? And also alcohol. Alcohol is actually a gateway drug. Shouldn’t they stop accepting ad money from beer companies?
IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE CAUGHT WITH
It’s about being stupid and breaking the same rule 3+ times. Like I said before it could be jelly beans instead of pot. If the league says you can’t eat jelly beans, then don’t do it!
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what about peeps. that would be so harsh. I might fail a peep test on April
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
by jbh1190 on Dec 5, 2011 8:50 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Davis
Has proven to be inconsistent and, at times, unmotivated. I can see an easy correlation.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
This is a stigma
Ppl who are lazy are lazy. Ppl who aren’t, aren’t. That’s just like saying I see a correlation of ppl who drink and beat their wives.. It’s a common rip, but only assholes beat their wives. Just bc I drink doesn’t mean I’m going to..
You say goodbye, I say Helu
by Salem'sKeeper on Dec 5, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Agree to disagree
I guess. I’ve see it first hand, with people close to me.
I’m not saying that it makes EVERYONE lazy. Alcohol doesn’t make EVERYONE want to fight. But it does with some people.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
and these ppl who want to fight?
are they always passive when sober?
You say goodbye, I say Helu
by Salem'sKeeper on Dec 5, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know
About all of them. But I know of one friend of mine who always tends to get us in fights when he’s drunk. Doesn’t happen when he’s sober.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I'm in law school,
And i’ve never been around as many ppl who use recreational drugs.. The biggest pot head in the school finished on top of the class last year, and has the highest paid summer associate position. Performance matters, not what one decides to do on their own time.
You say goodbye, I say Helu
by Salem'sKeeper on Dec 5, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
your probably right
with those facts. It won’t change the fact that these 2 guys may be gone for the rest of the season, which in turn will have a negative effect on the the teams development.
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yeah, they are idiots.
I really have a bad feeling about Trent, hope he turns it around
the people who vote on those polls are usually users
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
users?
what are they? heroin addicts now? I haven’t heard someone say “used pot” since my grandma..
You say goodbye, I say Helu
by Salem'sKeeper on Dec 5, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
And I’m not trying to offend anyone on here, but I’ve always fund that people who defend it because they use it themselves.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I disagree
I know many who don’t, including myself..
You say goodbye, I say Helu
by Salem'sKeeper on Dec 5, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't that work the other way?
Do you have to try it to be against it? I don’t think you do?
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 5, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, good point
I’m just saying in my experiences. Al
I can go by.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
yeah I obviously smoke weed legally and think differently then you
But I realize there can be downsides and don’t really advocate it as I believe it is kindof a personal choice with individualized risk-reward scenarios. I do find the discussion interesting and am not trying to aggravate you.
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 5, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Not at all
Believe me, I’ve had this conversation plenty of times over the years. Like I said, I’ve seen it affect people close to me, so I rarely grow tired of the conversation.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I toked up on a routine baisis in hs.
I’m pretty sure I can speak for the recreational side and the don’t do it side. However I can’t for the medical side…but i can say you can take thc pills so….yeah.
Anyhow to my point weed is a drug am illegal drug….I broke the law by smoking it. However I realized at a young age that it was immature to do it for shits and giggles. Nobody looks up to a person for smoking weed nobody. You know what people are looked up to for though? Being a doctor a lawyer a father a firefighter a nurse a teacher a left tackle and tight end.
My point is if somebody who looks up to you would be disappointed by what your doing then its not worth doing.
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
by jbh1190 on Dec 5, 2011 8:40 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don't see how silence condones it
and it’s really not their responsibility to enforce. We can all see how pointless the rule is based on the performance of numerous athletes and yet we’re all supposed to sit back and pretend this rule makes sense, why exactly?
by SkinsOsTerps on Dec 5, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Because
as of today, smoking marijuana in the United States is illegal (with a few exceptions). Is it a stupid law- yes.
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
NFL is not just a sport . It is a business .
All businesses are covered by insurace carriers , and all insurance carriers insist on mandatory drug testing , for illegal drugs . Right or wrong , weed is still illegal .
Why is it the NFL's
or any business’ for that matters responsibility to enforce criminal laws, particularly those that clearly have no impact on performance?
by SkinsOsTerps on Dec 5, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
It sure messed up Michael Phelps
it sure messes up Fred Davis when he’s out being the best threat on offense we’ve got. If it impacts performance to the point that they can’t play they’ll be cut and the issue gets sorted out on its own.
by SkinsOsTerps on Dec 5, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
True
but not for reasons having anything to do with his play on the field and that’s what I find absurd.
by SkinsOsTerps on Dec 5, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
That's like justifying a rule that players can't eat fast food
by citing that a violation of it caused their suspension. It’s circular logic.
For the record I’m not defending the intelligence of TW or FD, I’m arguing that it is a stupid rule to begin with and that this situation exemplifies that.
by SkinsOsTerps on Dec 5, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
fast food is legal
and btw. there is a big debate in corporate america today on pushing their employees to live healthier life styles because of healthcare costs. Some companies will not hire smokers (tobacco)
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
And there's also a big push today
to change America’s silly drug laws. If the NFL wants to do this then of course that’s their right but it makes them look like imbeciles and constantly citing a law as though legality in itself somehow justifies the policy considerations behind that law is not a particularly compelling argument.
No one has addressed my question below about the comparison between Suh’s shorter suspension for uncalled for violence against another player. Assault is a crime too.
Based on the responses of the NFL, which are they saying is more acceptable?
by SkinsOsTerps on Dec 5, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sure if he did it
3 x times he would be suspended for much longer. But to be honest I don’t see how it’s relevant. And to be really honest, I’d be happier if that was the reason why TW or Davis were suspended.
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
That says to me
that there’s something messed up about your personal philosophy if you think a someone chosing to do something you personally disapprove of but which hurts no one else deserves greater punishment than risking the health and possibly life of another person, even in the context of a rough sport.
I don’t think it’s possible to productively debate someone whose priorities are so warped and I’m therefore going to end this conversation here.
by SkinsOsTerps on Dec 5, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
really, is that your out to a loosing argument? fine by me
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
I don't see what's a losing argument about it
you’re clearly someone who thinks you know better about what individuals should put in their own bodies than individuals do themselves. On top of that you think it’s the job of a private business to enforce government policy regardless of that policy’s merits.
If you think you’ve won then that’s fine by me but I think it says a lot more about you than about the argument.
by SkinsOsTerps on Dec 5, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have no issue with the smoking marijuana, and would have no problem is it become legal.
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
If that's the case
then I have trouble understanding why you’d rather our guys have gotten suspended for doing something along the lines of what Suh did.
by SkinsOsTerps on Dec 5, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
It is legal
in California and Colorado. Somehow everyone in those states hasn’t turned into drug dependent crack whores.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 5, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
and two
Companies do have the right to test employees for the use of illegal drugs and have the right to suspend or fire employees should those test be positive regardless if you or I agree with it
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
Like I said earlier
I know that they do and in the end how they chose to discipline their players is well within their discretion. I’m not debating that.
However I do think that the legal/political issues are directly responsible for their stance and have a hard time believing they’d care otherwise.
by SkinsOsTerps on Dec 5, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Of course they have the right,
Companies have the right to do a lot of things. Doesn’t mean it’s smart business practices..
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by Salem'sKeeper on Dec 5, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
You'd be happier if they intentionally hurt
another individual? Wow…
You say goodbye, I say Helu
by Salem'sKeeper on Dec 5, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Not anymore than Booze
If you drink ON the job, it’ll likely affect your performance. If you drink on the weekends, or during times in which you’re free of responsibility, you should be able to work just fine on mon (depending on the amount you drank after the skins blew it again)..
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by Salem'sKeeper on Dec 5, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Come on lots of careers don't test for drugs(Especially law firms, white collar jobs)
If the NFL wants to then fine. A business can set all kind of conditions for employment(Confidentiality, dress code, internet usage) and then you chose to live by those rules or not. The moral crusader “think of the children” mantra when applied to weed is so fucking tedious and the people who live by it always seem to think the whole world thinks like them. Don’t try and justify the rule on some bullshit prejudices you might have; and don’t try and justify repeatedly breaking the rule either when they knew it was a condition of employment.
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 5, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Correction
it’s happening everywhere because people know what they’re told is nonsense. Think about Michael Phelps.
by SkinsOsTerps on Dec 5, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
yes and no
yes these players earned it, but as with any job you agree to a code of conduct policy (and this one is extremely lenient and collectively bargained). But it is a privilege at the same time b/c the NFL is the only game in town. Like it or not these players get these mega deals, not because of their talent, but b/c it’s the NFL. We’ve seen big name players in the USFL, but they couldn’t compete b/c they didn’t have the brand and power of the NFL. If Davis or Williams want less restrictions maybe they’ll find them in the CFL, but I don’t think they’d make more than $100K a year in that league.
And finally I’m sorry these players in their contracts (and this is in all sports) agree not do such illicit activities such as pick-up basketball, riding a motorcycle, and a dozen other activities that are in no way shape or form are illegal. I think they can put the weed down without an issue.
And as you said our guys can’t figure out how to beat a system that is meant to be beat, so why defend them.
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yeah, from what I hear, it is very widespread
by Ken Meringolo on Dec 5, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
did the NBA ever iron out drug testing for the latest CBA?
They used to have exceptions for certain recreational substances.
by Ken Meringolo on Dec 5, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
then Davis and TW
should talk to the other players to see how they are able to pass the drug test
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
It may well be widespread.
But how stupid do you have to be to get caught at least 3 times?? I mean, I love Trent and Fred on the field, but surely after getting caught the second time, you think to stop…
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by UkRedskin on Dec 5, 2011 10:39 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don't think anyone is upset with what they are being charged for and it needs to stop being compared to player conduct on the field.
It’s just the fact they broke a rule 3 or more times. If there is a rule that they can’t eat jelly beans then they shouldn’t eat jelly beans. It’s like a little kid touching the stove.
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exactly
I like to drink, but if I had the chance to make millions (and yes while Davis is ‘only’ making $500K this year, he’s about to be offered $6-7 million a year) I would abstain from alcohol while I was playing (esp. if I got two warnings).
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It's dumb for them to have gotten caught
but it’s even dumber that they test for things like that.
Can someone please explain to me how Suh stomped on an opposing player while he was laying on his back and only got suspended for 2 games while this costs TW and Davis 4? I’d really like to comprehend the logic behind this. What they do on Friday nights is their own business. I think less of the NFL for enforcing such a rule than I do of the players, even if their behavior was foolish.
by SkinsOsTerps on Dec 5, 2011 10:40 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Because it was
Their THIRD OFFENSE. They got caught breaking the rules three times. Of course the NFL is gonna come down hard on them. They’ve been told not to do something, and they’re still doing it.
Hell, I think they’re lucky. At my work, if you get caught three TWO times you’re suspended and have to go to rehab. Three times you’re fired.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
ahhahahahahaaha
Suh stomped on an opposing player while he was laying on his back
Thanks, I needed a good laugh today. It’s hilarious because you obviously never even saw the video, or you’d realize that:
A) The player was laying on his stomach.
B) That “stomp” had no weight behind it and was more Suh spazzing out. It was obviously not an intentional stomp. He was having a temper tantrum, and his foot happened to hit the other player’s forearm. Suh’s back was even turned. Roger Goodell even told him it was a good idea to appeal, apparently.
Don’t believe everything the sensationalist writers tell you, kids.
Uhhh...
How do you stomp on someone’s bicep when they’re layin on their stomach? I don’t think you saw the video. He was on his back when he was stepped on. Yes, there may have not been any weight behind it but it was DEFINITELY intentional. I mean, he looked down right at where he was going to stomp on him and then did it. I think you need to watch the video again before you call someone out THAT WAS RIGHT.
Here’s the link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXDmCVSnn1U
While I don’t agree with any comparison between these guys and Suh, how does whether he was on his stomach or back have anything to do with it?
He might have not have done any damage or intended to do any damage with his stomp but it was clearly intentional. I’m also pretty disturbed by the fact that he slammed the guy’s head into the turf 3 times and tried to say he just lost his balance.
Finally, Roger Goodell is a moron. He’s made some good decisions in his life to get to where he is, but now that he’s gotten there he’s stopped trying. That said, even a moron’s advise is appropriate here. How could it hurt to appeal? when is it not a good idea to appeal?
He slammed the guys head into the ground
because the guy was holding Suh’s arm down when he was trying to get up. If you watch the video I posted in the comment right above yours, watch when Suh is trying to get up and look at GB’s lineman’s right arm.
That justifies pushing his head down once. the other two times was all on Suh getting some cheapshots in.
I completely agree
I’m not trying to dillute what he did, I’m just saying that’s why he did it
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Love this point. A lot of people including myself hate fedex field (although I’m starting to like it with all the changes), but fedex tailgating is AWESOME to me. I feel like were all family in the parking lot. Its a good feeling to be in
by no more kwame's in dc on Dec 5, 2011 10:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I havent been to a game in about 2 years
Did removing all those seats make the stadium any better?
2 years?
You gotta catch another game bud. I do think the removal of the seats are better and it lets you look out and see the capital (waaaaay in the distance) but It gives it a good vibe to have the gaps. I always thought fedex field was to big anyway. Leading to more opposing team fans getting tix. But I’m starting to like fedex a little more every time I go
by no more kwame's in dc on Dec 5, 2011 10:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I gave up my season tix after Zorn, havent been back yet
definitely agree it was too big for such a bad team, the mile walk back to the car surrounded by opposing fans after a loss was always pretty awful
quick solution to opposing fans
Win games and don’t buy tix if your gonna sell them to other team fans. I hate that shit. Every stadium has other teams fans in the stadium but not like ours and I mostly blame it on the team sucking. But now that we have a future going for us you should Def catch another game. Things have changed at fedex lately. Why did you give up your tix though
by no more kwame's in dc on Dec 5, 2011 11:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fed up with Snyder
That game where he had goons remove signs from the crowd and kick fans out was the last straw for me, that and the cash parking lots doubling in cost over 3yrs
i completly agree
I HATED Snyder for banning signs. Soo stupid of him. But is that still a rule? And if it helps at all, other stadiums are actually charging more than fedex. I don’t know the walking distance to the other stadiums though. But is the sign ban still in effect? IV seen some signs around this year?
by no more kwame's in dc on Dec 5, 2011 11:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It was just the signs criticizing him he banned
I used to park at the cash lot on brightseat, maybe 6 years ago it was $20 but then Snyder bought it and soon enough it was $45. Probably more now, and if you are on opposite side of stadium it’s probably close to a mile to your seat
ohhh
I thought it was all signs. 45$ is rediculous. I park on the “tailgators lot” on the dirt for 25 or 30. Am I the only one here who doesn’t really hate Danny anymore. I like what he’s doing now. He’s letting the coaches do everything while he just sits and fixes fedex. I don’t mind him anymore
by no more kwame's in dc on Dec 5, 2011 11:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah I think he saw what Ted did with the caps
Making the fan experience great was his biggest involvement.
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
by jbh1190 on Dec 5, 2011 2:52 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Probably Snyders personal decision to raise the parking too!
Parking is expensive everywhere, it has nothing to do with the owner.
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sure it does
when the owner makes it a point to buy out every private lot in the area and then immediately raise prices.
Is that not a good business decision? Would the 31 other owners not do the same thing?
Would 99% of business professionals not do the same thing?
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Yea that directly correlates to parking prices...
Arguing parking prices is like the same sorry argument people present about beer. “I hate Snyder, beer cost a lot!”
Its the same at every NFL arena, same at MLB, same at NBA, same at NHL.
If you really hate Snyder the only way he gets hurt is if you don’t come to the game.
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agreed it happens everywhere
most of the garages around the Verizon center are $20, and it’s not too much fun to tailgate in a parking garage.
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does he own all tbe parking?
by no more kwame's in dc on Dec 5, 2011 11:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
well the good news is he doesn't own Tailgate field anymore
but I believe it is still pretty high
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yup
I checked on Google (sorry no link) but I saw at greenbay it has always be 50 and they park in peoples drive ways like we so at fedex. Parking Is expensive everywhere. No matter what the record of your team is
by no more kwame's in dc on Dec 5, 2011 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
it's not the absolute cost
it’s rapidly rising costs to see a rapidly deteriorating team. There are owners in every sport who hold prices steady while the team sucks, I think one guy even reduced cost of beer after a bad season. There is no hard and fast rule that “99% of business professionals” do anything
Do you keep going and paying the increasing prices?
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no, and neither do 10,000 other people
which is exactly why he had to tear the seats out and exactly why claiming “99% of all business professionals” would do the same thing is incorrect.
Did he build FedEx?
No
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i agree
ESP the beer cost. 9$ is rediculous. I think Danny tucked up with that
by no more kwame's in dc on Dec 5, 2011 12:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
On bringing in another tackle
I’m now 100% for this. I was thinking more of investing in interior linemen and maybe some depth at tackle. But I think bringing in a stud tackle could light a fire on trent williams @ss. I really think he has the talent / ability to be great, its just ever time he takes a step forward he falls on his face.
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
I would have really considered Gaither more if I knew this was going down
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There will def be a lot of interest for Fred Davis
I mean, there were teams willing to take Ricky Williams back.
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There were?
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Probably
but he cost himself about a mil per year and good bye guaranteed money
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
sorry, I think his asking price before the suspension would have been $6 to $7 mill per yr over 5 years and some of that would have been guranteed. the suspension might have cut that to 5-6 mil per yr and less of a signing bonus
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
at least we should now get a chance
to see willie smith
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
Sure it's legal .
It could be put in the contract , that if another violation happens , the remainder of the contract will be voided , and player will be cut . If I’m not mistaken , the next violation will result in a 1 year suspension . One after that would be indefinate suspension , and if the league allowed the player to return , another violation would result in a lifetime ban from the sport .
That's kinda the point of guaranteed money
you achieve the same thing by giving large salaries and incentives and a low signing bonus and other guaranteed money.
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 5, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
and part of that labor agreement
is you may not use illegal substances and you will be tested for them
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
I don't care what your views are on the legalization of marijuana
But we live in a society of laws. Laws are what protect our freedom. Just because you think a law is stupid doesn’t mean you have the right to ignore it. It is especially dumb to break a law when you know that you will get caught.
This isn’t a 4-game suspension for testing positive for marijuana. They’ve done that already a couple times and had no consequences. This is a 3-game suspension for being stupid. I support that.
by CarverM on Dec 5, 2011 11:21 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I would really like to avoid the debate over our nation's drug laws
I spoke to a current player who thinks it is absolutely absurd that guys get caught up in this. They have a LOT of incentives to stay clean, and they even have a pretty good idea about when they get tested. Just ludicrous that they continue to get caught.
by Ken Meringolo on Dec 5, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Read some of the 11 players caught were questioning...
…the fact that they got caught because they thought that they had another month before being tested due to the lockout. At that time Williams had already agreed to accept the suspension and Davis had not replied. (read the article yesterday morning so, obviously, outdated now). Hilarious though that some of them would think that the timeframe they were tested in was unfair. The article didn’t say if Williams or Davis were some of the players questioning it though.
What an idiotic fallacy Carver
bad laws do not increase respect for the law. They decrease it because it makes the law appear arbitrary.
by SkinsOsTerps on Dec 5, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Respecting a law and breaking it are two different things,
Just like I can not respect a douchebag Dallas fan without breaking his face.
by CarverM on Dec 5, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well said Carver, I wish the media could portray the suspension as such.
Williams/Davis Suspended for Stupidity.
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I'm not suggesting for a second that it's on the same level,
or even close. But a lot of ppl would argue that when you think a law is “stupid,” is the exact time when you break it knowing you will be caught. That is the whole idea behind MLK, peaceful protests, sit-ins, and such.. Again, this is obviously no where near that, and they clearly weren’t protesting. Just saying that following laws just bc they are laws can lead to dangerous consequences as well. Also, a lot of laws inhibit freedom. They were obviously stupid and deserve to be punished, but I disagree completely with the dogmatic notion that laws are infallible and benevolent.
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by Salem'sKeeper on Dec 5, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, you're right
that you took my statement to a completely unreasonable level.
by CarverM on Dec 5, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"laws are what protect our freedom"
I disagree. Is that better? Just trying to illustrate the point.
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by Salem'sKeeper on Dec 5, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Not every law does,
but certainly you can see how the concept of laws protect our freedom, right? That whole “right to property” thing?
Yes, there are many good laws which protect our freedom.
Marijuana laws, however, do not. I think I understand your POV, I just disagree that it’s applicable to pot laws. I apologize if I made it seem like I was equating this situation to University sit-ins and such, that was not the objective. I was just trying to illustrate my opinion. I guess I went overboard with the explanation.
You say goodbye, I say Helu
by Salem'sKeeper on Dec 6, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
The playoff tea
Don't feed the TROLL!...You have been warned.
by the maroon bird on Dec 5, 2011 11:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Teams I'll root for
Are the saints and packers. Great qb stories and they make me jealous if having a great QB. Brees us amazing btw!
Don't feed the TROLL!...You have been warned.
by the maroon bird on Dec 5, 2011 11:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't like the Saints for some reason
Packers I like even though Rodgers is apparently a jackass. I met some Guy at work who lived in Wisconsin. He was getting drinks at some bar when his buddy recognized Rodgers and Rodgers apparently told the Guy to back off and apparently his goons (his offensive linemen) pushed the Guy’s friend back. Doesn’t surprise me since he ignored that little girl with Cancer who wanted to get his autograph last year. Great QB, but kind of a douchebag.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 5, 2011 11:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No clue whom i'll root for.
Usually I start off with some underdog wild card team. Then I either lose interest as they fall or keep rooting for them if they go deep.
After that i’ll root against any team I dislike. NFC east teams, or clear cut favorites. I’ll be rooting for the packers to collapse big time.
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
I've been patient all season.
The cold hard truth is this team fucking sucks. Rebuild all you want to…. Until Dan gives up this team they are cursed to be bottom dwellers. Grossman sucks. All of his throws are lame ducks even the ones that somehow find our recievers. Helu looks good, Davis looks good, the defense is the reason this team has 4 wins. The offense sucks complete ass. If something works they stop doing it.
The bottom line is I don’t see a solution to fix this fuck all franchise at all. They fucking suck. That should have been a win yesterday.
I for one am done letting them slide, they fuckin suck.
by Wilmncskinsfan on Dec 5, 2011 12:45 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
A Quarterback might change somethings?
by Andrew DeFrank on Dec 5, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
one that can throw the football through the owners booth and take snyders fucking head off.
by Wilmncskinsfan on Dec 5, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Depth on the o line will change everything.
Williams and lichtensteiger going down was the beginning of the end. We need depth on o line.
Davis has been awesome, but i don’t think he’s worth “F U” money with a ten cent head.
If we can draft a left tackle this ear, we can move trent back to the right, where he won’t be missed if he stays an idiot forever.
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Suspension
Interesting give and take on the drug debate. Good points on both sides of the argument. However, if I own a business and want to hire you and pay you a ton of money and all I ask is for you to not do drugs( my right as owner) and you accept my offer and sign on, well….I’m going with stupid…
I am on the side
Of these two being complete imbeciles, for one. But I also have no problem whatsoever with weed being against the rules. Personally, I have never done it. But I have two very close friends who have literally had their loves ruined by it. One of them is loving in the woods somewhere in Utah now, having completely separated from society. The other is 37, and now living back with his dad because he lost his job two years ago, and can’t get another one. Know why? Because he can’t PASS A FUCKING DRUG TEST. I love him to death, but I tell him all the time what a complete moron he is. All he does is complain that they test him, and has even said that he was clean when he took the test, that they rigged it. WTF?
I’m sorry,I understand all the talk about marijuana not being bad for you, and not being addictive. But everyone I know who uses it REGULARLY has a complete lack of motivation, and can’t seem to stop usin fit, even if it turns their lives upside down.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Sounds to me like it has nothing to do with their substance of choice
but rather that your friends are just sad losers.
No doubt their losers
But you’re lying to yourself if you don’t think weed had anything to do with it.
It’s a shame too, cuz they each have their own talents to offer. My buddy John, who dropped out of high school in 10th grade (same year he started smoking pot), can build ANYTHING out of wood. The stuff he had in his basement was amazing. I’m talking couches, tables, a bar, china cabinets, a six foot wooden airplane. My other buddy, Joey, graduated from Purdue and instantly got a good job in advertising. 3 years later, he starts smoking weed, quits his job, and ends up selling cell phones at a kiosk in the mall. Once they moved him to the actual store, he was so “laid back” by then that he would routinely call out of work to stay home and smoke pot. Didn’t take him much longer than that to get fired, and now he’s 37 years old and living in the same room he grew up in.
Losers? Yep. Potheads? Yep. Correlation? Definitely.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
To be fair alot of mental illnesses don't manifest till late puberty-early adulthood
might be chicken and egg kinda thing. Kinda like I eat more when stressed/depressed but can’t blame that on someone introducing me to cheeseburgers. I respect your point and we can nod to each other on the other side of the fence but just as a cautionary tale their overindulgence in pot might be just the most visible symptom of something else. FWIW.
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 5, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
That tends to be my opinion as well
I think overindulgence of anything is more likely to be a symptom rather than the disease itself.
I understand
You’re POV, and I also know that pot doesn’t affect everyone the same way, just like alcohol doesn’t. But I’ve seen it first hand, with friends and family close to me, negatively affect people’s motivation and decision making. Me relaying these examples through text make it easy to dismiss them as something else, but what I saw with my own eyes makes me know without a shadow of a doubt that the pot, and the need to smoke it, was to blame.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Yeah I wasn't really commenting re: your friends so much as in a general sense
Not to be too genuine or serious for this blog I was just commenting on something I have learned as I got older and hopefully wiser. I can think back to times when I have dismissed someone as a loser for stuff like that and later have learned what REALLY was going on. It has left me with a few regrets for sure. Now when situations like that arise I just pull some arise and be like “Hey, I can’t help but notice you are really going overboard with (Booze, weed, drugs, gambling, food, credit card debt, porn, videogames, crazy women/men, etc…) have you ever thought about seeing someone to make sure everything is ok. Cuz there is nothing shameful about that.”
I think the phrase “self medicating” is really stupid because that seems to me to imply some sort of beneficial element. Instead it is being used to describe negative compulsive behaviors someone with serious problems is exhibiting. I have just found once you learn alot more about serious mental illnesses and learn how out of the blue they can manifest in late adolesence-early adulthood it makes you do a double take. Because when you care about someone and their life takes a sharp right turn you wanna help them.
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 5, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, they are just losers..
My one buddy, Tom, he owns his own business and makes over 150,000 a year. He smokes daily. My other friend, Geoff, he smokes at least once a week and just got a job on Wall street assessing risks for a financial company. My other friend, Tadao, he is a complete alcoholic who was three months away from dying bc his liver is shot (doctor told him at least). Now he is in rehab in colorado. He hasn’t smoked a day in his life.. Anyone can list specific examples of failure/ success stories. Correlation? maybe between your two friends. Causation? I don’t think so. I think they are just losers who would be losers regardless of their substance of choice..
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by Salem'sKeeper on Dec 5, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Again
Agree to disagree. But there’s no use arguing about it. I just happen to agree with the law. Or at least be OK with it. And the law says you can’t smoke weed. They broke the law. If I get caught smoking weed at my work (and we are tested regularly), I’m in deep shit. Three times, I’m out the door, never to work for the railroad again. So, like I said, they’re getting off lucky.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Fair enough
I totally agree they should be suspended. They are professionals, they shouldn’t be smoking. It’s in their contracts like Steveo said. They’re idiots for doing so and they have let their teammates, fans, and others down for doing so. I just think it’s unfair to label all people who smoke as losers, or more prone to becoming losers. I probably went overboard with the defense just bc I have a lot of friends who do and are successful.
You say goodbye, I say Helu
by Salem'sKeeper on Dec 5, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
It's also a regional thing for sure
Even non smokers out here view it way differently than people do in other parts of the country. No one out here would question whether someone can smoke weed and be successful. You’d just know way too many people who do smoke and handle their business correctly(and make shit tons more money than you).
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 5, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
hate to say this.
but the giants could be a tuff out in the playoffs. they could do what they did when they lost a close game to another undefeated team late in the year a few years ago. im rooting for the pack to go all the way but if they dont ied also like to see the broncos win it all. i will root for any1 but steelers, ravens, dallas, giants,and the 49ers… add the eagles and you have my most 5 hated teams :P
could be a blessing in disguise
positives that could come from this:
1. Davis signs for cheaper than he would have before
2. Davis and Williams come back with a vengeance next season
3. Redskins lose the next 4 and have improve their draft position
What I hope is
That Davis and Williams actually learn from their mistakes. It would really suck to have your franchise LT be banned from the league. Also, it wouldn’t surprise me if Davis wasn’t resigned. Playmaking tight ends are pretty much a dime a dozen these days. His value is not that high, especially after this. At the least, I the this guarantees Cooley’s spot on the team.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Once the Redskins are out of the playoff picture..
..I usually decide which teams to root AGAINST. In order of most hated to least:
Eagles
Cowboys
Patriots
Steelers
every other team
two losers
1.Williams is looking a lot like a draft bust. Let’s see…he has time to smoke weed, but the big rap on him is his work ethic, which is why he’s often injured. Someone’s priorities are a little out of order…
2. Can we quit acting like Davis is some kind of budding superstar? He was probably taken a few rounds too high, and really hasn’t shown much. Lots of other tight ends in the league much better than him.
I agree on davis being over valued
trent williams is frustrating because he really should not be a draft bust. Even if he keeps playing at the level he’s at now, he’s still above average. And he did report to training camp in great shape.
Ah well cooley is smiling knowing he’ll most likely not have to take as big of a pay cut.
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
It's more of
If he is able to do some pretty good things, when we aren’t great in a lot of other aspects..
Such as the run game not always keeping the defense honest, or other receivers not having to draw double teams, or the qb not having a lot of time behind the OL….
Then he might be able to do even better when the rest of the game is clicking.
William’s injuries aren’t due to conditioning. Knee injuries are accidents. If he kept tweaking a hammy it would be a different story. Additionally he’s been one of the best Tackles in the NFL this year. He’s kept our sorry QBs off their back from the blind side this year time and again. When a team wants to get a sack they move their rushers to the right side. The run hasn’t been great this year, but I put a lot of that on the RBs falling down. Helu has been a bright spot this year.
You're completely overreacting
to start, obviously they’re dumbasses. But Trent Williams has NOT looked like a bust for most of this season, he really was great in the past 4 or 5 games he played in. And, yes, Fred Davis HAS been a budding superstar at TE this season… http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=1&statisticPositionCategory=TIGHT_END&season=2011&seasonType=REG he’s considered the 5th best on NFL.com. We’re gonna miss these two on offense for the next 4 games. I’m upset because two of our best offensive players are idiots, not because they’re bad at football.
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Williams is FAR from a bust.
Sorry.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Here's the deal.
If drinking Mountain Dew was illegal THEN you owe it to yourself, your teammates, and the fans not to drink mountain dew. I’m disappointed that our two best offensive players decided it was better to do bong rips then commit to the team. I WOULD NOT resign Fred Davis.
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by Diesel44 on Dec 5, 2011 5:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1
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good point. I also see it as this
If the league said today no more mountain dew then it’d be harder to stop because you’ve been doing something legal for 20+ years and now it’s ripped from you.
These guys are doing sonehibg that they know is wrong and knew was wrong when they started.
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
by jbh1190 on Dec 5, 2011 8:53 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
players don't owe the fans shit.
sorry.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Smut? Good one..
Unless of course you’re serious then of course that would be the exact opposite. In fact that would be idiotic.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
the players play for themselves. they're the ones putting in the work and shortening their lifespans
the fans are just here to watch and enjoy. they don’t owe us shit.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
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