A Case for Rex in 2012, Sorta...
by The Agent C 83 on Dec 3, 2011 10:54 PM EST
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PrintI've heard this comment, or some form of it, a LOT lately...
"I refuse to sit through one more year of Rex"
Now, I agree that the Redskins should draft a rookie QB in the upcoming draft. However, I'm also one who believes you don't dump a rookie QB in there from day 1 and anoint them the starter. Especially in the case of the Kyle Shanahan offense, which apparently requires a little bit of study and knowledge of the intracies before one can step out on the field and run it effectively.
One thing we have learned recently...Rex Grossman knows this offense. If he is, as some put it, a "decent back-up at best", why not let him transition into the role as our "decent back-up" next season, while we groom the future franchise QB (whomever it is). A lot of hell is raised about "Bad Rex", but let's compare Rex's good vs. bad games, and see which exactly we have seen more of...
I can name a few "good Rex" games off the top of my head. The Giants, Cardinals, Seahawks, and both Cowboys games were decent-to-good games by Rex. In those 5 starts, his stat line is as follows...
119-187, 63.6% comp., 1,452 yards, 9 td, 6 int, 90.1 rating, 3 wins, 2 losses. Avg 22.6 ppg
Mind you, special teams and field goals killed us in those two losses...both to the Cowboys. Many blasted Rex for going all "shoulda, woulda, coulda" about the two Cowboys games, but we have to face the fact that he does make a point about how close the Skins could be to being 6-5 instead of 4-7, and that is including the Beck debacle. However, we did lose those games, and in the end that is all that matters as far as wins and losses go. If you look at both of those losses to the Cowboys, note how Rex and Tony Romo are almost DEAD EVEN statistically, though most on this site hate Romo but would put him above Rex any day of the week in terms of who is better.
There are three games one could say were "bad Rex" games, though the Rams game were more notable for "bad Rex" moments, not for the entire performance, but the Eagles game was horrendous and the Dolphins game wasn't a shining moment, either. Here are his stats in those three games, just for comparison...
45-83, 54.2% comp., 501 yards, 1 td, 8 int, 36.8 rating, 1 win, 2 losses. Avg 13 ppg.
Nonetheless, Rex has proven that with the line holding it's end, and the running game at least mildly effective, he can run this offense decently, even "pretty well" at times. This is why I'd rather the Redskins hold on to Grossman for two more years. The first of those two to be the stopgap while we get the next man ready, the second of those two to be a backup who knows the system in case our future franchise goes down. So in a sense, I'm advocating we keep Rex Grossman as our starter through at least the beginning of the 2012 season.
I know I'll catch a lot of heat on this, but I think Rex catches just a little bit more flak than what he deserves when it comes to the failures of this offense. Some say we fall back in love with Rex because of how bad Beck had been...but realistically, if you look at the numbers and the W-L record, so far "Good Rex" has shown up more than "Bad Rex", objectively speaking.
Let the roasting of me begin...
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I'm sorry, you want to go back to John Beck again?
Your sig is sooooo Week 6.
by The Agent C 83 on Dec 4, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Broken record?
Hey moron, show me where John Beck is implicated anywhere? You Rexettes are like a broken record, however Big Daddy Drew’s blog almost made me a Rexette……..almost.
"You can build a million bridges, suck one dick, you're not a bridgebuilder you are a cocksucker." - - Woody Harrelson
6 INTs to 9 TDs isn't great.
Just saying. Then when you consider that this is a sample of Grossman’s best performances of the year, the cream of his crop, it’s even more damning. Those kinds of stats don’t let you keep up with Brady/Brees/Rogers.
It is what it is
Good post.
I wish we could do better than Rex but the reality of our QB situation is that he’ll most likely be back next yr and will compete w/ a rookie or Matt Flynn.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
how about a rookie and Matt Flynn (or some other guy)
I think the Skins could do better for a number one guy, but having a solid backup like Rex would be good.
1. he could help teach the offense to the new guys
2. If say Flynn/Stanton/Hanie/etc. get injured or are ineffective (i.e. Luke McNown or Donovan McNabb) we don’t have to rush a rookie QB.
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You love Caleb Haine!
Matt Flynn should be in play because he’ll be a RFA and if the price is right he’d be a good move especially snce RG3 and Barkely might be off the board. He’d be a good option and then Tannehill/Foles in the 2nd. We have so many needs that this draft would give us more flexibility with a guy like Flynn.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
I think Griffin—if he comes out—will be gone by the time we pick, too. Normally I HATE the idea of trading up, but do you think it might be worth it in Griffin’s case? Or Barkley, if you’re high on him? Shit, even Jones, if you like him? The price for Luck will be too high, but what about making a move for one of these other guys?
I just think we need to draft a QB soon, and feel like this is a better year to pull the trigger. Next year, what kind of prospect can we expect to fall mid-round to us? And then next year the team might be in a postiion of trying to trade up for a lesser prospect a la the Jags and Gabbert. I don’t want that to be us.
Thinking about making a fan post asking this….
by The Flyest Irishman on Dec 4, 2011 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
the problem is Jones is a lesser prospect
and if we are giving up our 2nd and 3rd rounders to move up for Barkley or Griffin we might end up with a pretty high pick since we can’t fix the line.
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haha he's def. not showing it this year
I Actually Flynn will be an unrestricted FA, and I agree he should be the top target and then moving back would be HUGE.
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Considering we have a lot of holes to fill..
…you propose spending more money at the QB position than necessary. Use Rex as the stopgap, pay him something similar to what he is making this season (low starter/high backup money) and pay the rookie as is expected. No sense wasting a few million on a SECOND stopgap if we’re only talking about 8-10 games next season at the most.
by The Agent C 83 on Dec 4, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Here's the thing, we might not end up with either Barkley or Griffin so we might have to have a Foles/Tannehill or Weeden pick in the 2nd round
grabbing a guy like Flynn would give us time to develop Foles or Tannehill (I think Weeden is pretty ready to go).
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REX CREEP! Its happening!!!
On a serious note, there is a very good chance that he will be the bridge to the next QB. The important part is that he is a bridge not any kind of real solution. I think the odds of Rex leading the Skins to the playoffs next year is very low, but as long as there is someone good developing behind him I’ll suffer through it without too much screaming.
The key would be the guy that will be behind him because that guy is going to have Shanny’s future riding on his shoulders. If Rex carries Shanny’s future it will be intercepted.
F**k It! He is thowing it downfield!
"You can build a million bridges, suck one dick, you're not a bridgebuilder you are a cocksucker." - - Woody Harrelson
Exactly
Rex is the bridge to the guy we expect to be the future of this team at QB for the next 8-10 years minimum. You and I are about on the same page, here, and I’m glad someone else sees the sense in it.
by The Agent C 83 on Dec 4, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
For WHAT?
Being reasonable and objective?
by The Agent C 83 on Dec 4, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
no just for suggest that Rex Be the Stopgap for another year
One tragic year is enough. he averages two turnovers a game. and doesn’t throw nearly enough touchdowns to make me forget it.
by JeanBaptiste on Dec 4, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Relax dude, it was a joke.
But yeah, Rex can’t be allowed to start next year…..or ever again.
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
why on earth
would you spend money, for some new, mediocre backup QB, to come in, have to learn our system, just to hold us over for half a season?
You have a guy who already knows the system, and can teach the rookie better than anyone else.
well what if it is longer than half a season? what if it is longer than a full season?
Not all rookies can come into start day one. Esp. with a questionable line at best (and that is with improvements).
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I voted a little crazy just b/c you are saying as the starter
If he’s brought in as the backup to the stopgap I think it’s a good call.
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I wanted to cry
when the Redskins first picked up Rex, and then my dumb-ass was sipping a bit of the Beck kool-aid preseason, all the “working out with Brees” hype…. but…. I’ve been on board now since, well, since at least the Cards game.
THE MOST EXCITING PLAYER IN THE NFL (gotta be all caps) can make Kyle’s offense hum, he gives us a fighting chance, the players seem to love him, and (FUCK IT, I’M GOIN DEEP!!!), I guess I’ve come to love him, too.
Still desperately want to see us go QB in round one, but, definitely more so than Flynn or our other options, I hope we go with the Sex Cannon in 2012, too, until our QB (Griffin, Barkley) is ready to go. I do believe a rookie can learn from watching how Rex runs this offense.
by The Flyest Irishman on Dec 4, 2011 12:38 AM EST reply actions
Yep
I just hope the rookie also learns how not to turn the ball over so much, lol, but I agree that at least with Rex I have a feeling that we have a fighting chance. I had that kind of confidence in him in both the Cardinals, Seahawks, and Cowboys games. I never thought “this shit is over” in those games with Rex, because he’s a fighter, and you HAVE to respect that. Honestly, that’s probably a good quality for a rookie to see from a 10-year pro (as Rex will be next year, I believe)…never lose confidence, no matter how good or bad things are, and always keep fighting.
by The Agent C 83 on Dec 4, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
I clearly know gambling
I always bet heads on coin flips. If you look at the 50% of the time that I win, these are my stats:
Coin: 100% heads
Sofu: 100% heads, all spoils of victory.
In those cases, I am among the beast coin flip predictors ever. In fact, my stats put me DEAD EVEN with God. In conclusion, you should hire me as your personal gambler.
YOU’RE INSANE. A good quarterback is not one who knows how to run the offense well some of the time any more than a good sniper is someone who knows how to hit his target some of the time. If there’s anything we’ve learned this season, it’s that consistency is a virtue not to be underestimated. I actually think that this is an even bigger deal with a backup quarterback— in many cases, what you want from a backup quarterback is someone who can run a basic offense without hurting you with mistakes. This is why controlled veterans with diminishing skills, athletic ability, and upside still tend to make such good backups (Todd Collins is a fantastic example).
Wow, did you completely misinterpret what I was saying
What I said was that when Rex is good, he can be really good (or at least decent). When he is bad, he is awwwwful. However, if you note, there has been more good from Rex than bad overall. However, you want to parse my words because you think that bashing Rex Grossman is still trendy, that’s fine by me.
by The Agent C 83 on Dec 4, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
sorry if I'm overly sarcastic
but my point is that you can’t slice the data into the good part and the bad part; it’s all one body of work. You’re drawing cards from the same deck, flipping the same coin. Rex’s deck has some good stuff in it, but it also deals out interceptions more frequently than any other qb’s. That brand of bad hangs much more heavily in the balance, for me, than a hand-picked selection of five games were he only threw 6 picks>
by sofutomygaha on Dec 4, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I, like many others,....
absolutely throw up a little in my mouth everytime I think about Rex starting for us next year. I do, however, see the bright side of it. As much as anyone wants to hate on Rex, he is a solid backup and stop gap. As hard as it has been for the Skins to find a long term solution at QB, it’s just as hard to find a solid backup. Rex has the command of this offense inside and out and he is a cheap alternative. If we bring in Flynn and a rookie qb….we are simply devoting too much to that position monetarily and time wise given our plethora of other needs. If we can’t get THE QB in the draft, or we get one that will need a little time…Rex is the perfect insurance for US and OUR situation. It sucks….but is reality. If we were to, hypothetically, draft Barkley/RGIII/Jones/Tannehill/Foles AND bring in a Flynn or Hanie while letting Gross Rexman walk……we would have to get this system taught to 2 QBs instead of one…which takes away from the development of each….and hope that one them is ready to go. I think Agent’s post is getting taken out of context…..do I think Agent wants Rex as our QB next year…..NO…..but I think he is saying….it is in our best interest to have him on our roster next year. The third scenario, and most likely, is that we bring in the RC and a FA QB w/ Rex in camp….uses Rex’s understanding and knowledge of the offense to get these new guys going, and prolly let Rex walk at the 4th cutdown. No matter the situation, it is in our best interest to have Rex on our roster going into next preseason……if you can’t see that…..there may be no hope for your football accumen.
At least "WE ARE" not Penn State!!!
while I understand the rationale here, especially having to train more QB's
it’s doesn’t fit here because stopgaps need some sort of consistency and a way to decrease mistakes. Also, just because someone disagrees with you does not mean their football ‘accumen’ is lacking
"You can build a million bridges, suck one dick, you're not a bridgebuilder you are a cocksucker." - - Woody Harrelson
That's the point I am making.....
stopgaps need some sort of consistency and a way to decrease mistakes
This is the same thing that makes him probably our most viable “stopgap”….he already knows the offense. If we draft a 1st round QB…..we can devote 100% of the time with him giving him the best chance to be day one ready if possible. If not….it can be Rex until the rookie is ready. Why devote this time to 2 QBs when one isn’t the QB of the future. All the while….to get a “better” backup/stopgap….we will have to pay more….taking away from money to fill other area of needs that could help our rookie QB….all just to have a better part time QB?
At least "WE ARE" not Penn State!!!
Rex needs to be canned on principle
a guy who consistently turns the ball over twice per game shouldnt make the team. He and Kyle are too cozy also, having laughs during Rex’s abysmal play…let’s clean slate at the qb position, we know it cant be any worse
A guy who turns the ball over twice a game....
is a backup!!! There are quite a few QBs who routinely turn it over…especially this season that would surprise you.
At least "WE ARE" not Penn State!!!
This isn't NCAA where you are limited in terms of time to work with a guy
(yes their are limits to OTA’s and training camp practices, but QB’s can do all the film work they want and work with coaches on learning the system).
If we bring in a Flynn or Stanton yes they will need some time in our system, but since they’ve been around some they should get a handle on it far quicker. That way instead of being just a stopgap that is pulled at the first sign of trouble (i.e. McNabb) and forcing a rookie in before he is fully ready, the Redskins can have a decent guy working here next year. And you never know they could find something with them, which you know for a fact you won’t find in Rex.
Now I wouldn’t mind having Rex as the backup/tutor to a Flynn or whomever, with the rookie as the 3rd stringer. That way even if we have an injury we don’t have to force a rookie in there.
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This isn’t NCAA where you are limited in terms of time to work with a guy
(yes their are limits to OTA’s and training camp practices, but QB’s can do all the film work they want and work with coaches on learning the system).
By having to teach 2 guys….one completely from scratch…..you are limited because you are in some way splitting that time. If it could work out where we had all 3….that makes sense but in one way or another…we aren’t using our resources efficiently given where this franchise is and has been. I think some think we are the Patriots or Packers where we have this great track record, where everyone wants to play here, and our roster is full of talent and depth.
At least "WE ARE" not Penn State!!!
If we don't re-sign Rex or Beck, both will be sitting at home waiting for phone calls come week1 next season.
somebody, ANYBODY is better than Rex. There is no chance of finding a Kurt Warner if you stick with the fat turnover machine instead.
Which is why this thread was laden....
w/ draft THE QB…..sign FA so-so to be THE QB. We aren’t in the position to do both! I am stating the fact that keeping Rex if we get THE guy is a benefit bc he knows the offense and we can devote 100% of the time to teaching the new guy in the hopes of him being the day 1 starter….if not…we have Rex and we know what we have. By the way….are you suggesting we take a flier on a randon IFL QB? Stick to bball!
At least "WE ARE" not Penn State!!!
I'm suggesting that Kyle's system isnt so complicated that we have
to keep the worst qb in the NFL on the roster because we’re afraid no one else will be able to come in and puke all over himself as well as Rex does. Good Lord it’s not like we’d have to teach someone Chinese in 3 months, the whole “system” reasoning is retarded.
It's more complicated than you give it credit for...
if this was an ideal world….hell yeah…..piss off Grossman and Beck. But it’s not…..everyone thinks just cuz we hang a branch out there…whoeer we want will come. If you are a FA and the Skins and 3 other teams offer you a contract…..you think that’s a no-brainer? I don’t think they can logistically do it….I don’t think they can sign one of these FA QBs to go with a RC (referring to Stanton and Flynn….which I am not sold on either). Not toomention the money….we have cap room….but Flynn and Stanton will garner more because they are not “the worst QB in the league”…..which takes away from filling other needs and resigning other players. My point is….with where the Skins are and the opinions around the league….we simply can’t do both. Given that as the situation….I think the nest option is to keep Grossman over Beck to go with a rookie. If we can get a good FA at a good rpice and get our rookie…awesome….I just don’t see it happening.
At least "WE ARE" not Penn State!!!
Sorry for the horrible typing....
got a new keyboard that is ergonomic and has the keys split down the middle…taking some getting used too! Hopefully my point got through…..I also apologize for being snippy in my original reply…it was one of those days!
At least "WE ARE" not Penn State!!!
This is what I’ve read this week on posts: 1. Rex Grossman is a pretty good QB and we should keep him rather than risk trying to improve. 2. Brian Orakpo has reached his ceiling and is now a disappointment, 3. And Leron Landry is a complete bust and we should replace him. WOW
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amazing isn't it?
"You can build a million bridges, suck one dick, you're not a bridgebuilder you are a cocksucker." - - Woody Harrelson
Wrong on #1
Rex Grossman is a pretty good backup, and a adequate stopgap, and we should continue to use him as the stopgap, instead of reaching for some other person of equal talent who would have to learn the system all over.
Rex starts half a season, then our rookie takes over.
Not sure why you think that...
I guess we have all gotten so used to below average play at the QB position over the yrs
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I would Rather sign Flynn
I dont want the next QBOTF being groomed behind Rex Grossman. I would rather him bieng groom behind someone who got a championship ring. Or someone who doesn’t throw two interceptions per game.
If we somehow managed to snag Luck...
we wouldn’t need to ease him in. He’s the one prospect who I think is plug and play from week 1 for any QB needy team. After OTAs and TC, he would know the offense better than Rex.
Since it’s not likely we’ll get him, I guess I’ll answer your original question. Yes, I’m okay keeping Rex around. I’m also okay with keeping Rex AND picking up a guy like Stanton.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
For a second or third stringer...
…he’s fine. I want to draft a QB. I said I wouldn’t mind a FA as well.
Rex is a bad starter. He knows the system, and he’s decent, inexpensive depth.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
I actually think he's a pretty good back up
hoping for a starting quality QB as your back up is wishful thinking.
that being the case, Rex is a good back up. capable of coming in off the bench and moving the offense (also capable of sucking, but hey, that’s why they’re back ups)
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Thats where we differ
I see Rex coming into the game as a backup and getting sacked, fumbling and allowing a defensive touchdown. just like old times. (see lions game 2010 season)
funny the excuses for some of his ints as bad luck or receiver's fault
luck is the only reason he doesnt have 4ints today
Kyle Orton ?
Why not groom a rookie with Kyle Orton . He would make a nice stopgap QB , with less bad habits than Rex .
Orton also knows the system !
Might be worth considering .
No, they ran Josh McDanielssystem.
Remember…Orton was in Chicago when McDaniels came in the the year after Shanahan. A lot of people make that mistake, but Orton has never been in a Shanahan system.
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Pats are likely to put Brian Hoyer on the trading block.
Just sayin’.
It is what it is
I'm ok with rex being a back up but
Someone else needs to start next year. He can’t get it done and I don’t think Shanny will last if another QB isn’t starting
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