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Sitting at home on a Saturday with the kids as they are down for a nap and decided to fiddle around with what the Redskins could look like in 2012. All draft picks are projections (using walterfootball.com, Scout.com, FFtoolbox, and a few others) of where things stand now, there will be some movement so please keep that in mind.

2012 – 4 Round Mock Draft

  • Round #1: QB - RGIII/Barkley (Depends on who declares for the draft and who is on the board)
  • Round #2: FS - T.J. McDonald RT: Levy Adcock (Updated)
  • Round #3: WR – Marvin McNutt
  • Round #4 : OT – Bobby Massie
  • Round #4: OG – Brandon Washington
  • Round #4 or #5: Trade up if necessary or stay put Tank Carder (Fletcher’s eventual replacement)

Remaining Picks – Round 5, 6,6, 7 or 6,7 (5 & 6 used to trade up to round 4 if necessary)

2012 Free Agent Pick Ups

Re-Sign : Laron Landry, London Fletcher

OL Depth ChartTRAINING CAMP

LT

LG

C

RG

RT

Trent Williams

Ben Grubbs

Chris Meyers

Chris Chester

Levy Adcock

Willie Smith

Corey Lichtensteiger

Will Montgomery

Brandon Washington

Bobby Massie

Cornerback

#1 - DeAngelo Hall

#2 - Brent Grimes

#3 - Josh Wilson

3 Starting caliber WR based on the numerous 4 & 5 WR sets employed around the league, I don't think you can win a Championship without it.

WR Depth ChartBY MID SEASON

WR X

Leonard Hankerson

Jabar Gaffney

WR Y

Santana Moss

Aldrick Robinson (KR/P)

WR Z

Marvin McNutt

Niles Paul

Poll
Grade
A
13 votes
B
32 votes
C
18 votes
D
7 votes
I liked it better before the updates
2 votes

72 votes | Poll has closed

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i really think we are better than what our record indicates

the close losses could be wins next year if we upgrade the oline and qb position at a minimum. i like your possibilities there.

by davetrembling on Dec 3, 2011 3:28 PM EST reply actions  

We keep him

Failed to include it

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by Copious 1 on Dec 3, 2011 4:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Assuming we keep Fred Davis

I gave it an A
Though I would like to see the Skins get one of the Top wide receivers in FA Like a Colston, or Stevie Johnson. Even just getting a second tier guy like Eddie Royal would suffice.

by JeanBaptiste on Dec 4, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Id focus on the

OL with rds 2 & 3. I think in rd 1 we will not be in position to get Barkely /Griffin but I think Jones will be available for a QB. If you really want a WR I would go FA. I see no need for a safety this year especially if we keep Landry, I would prefer a CB with the first 4th pick. I also don’t think Smith would be ready to start next year at RT- but you never know

When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey

by Redskin44 on Dec 3, 2011 4:10 PM EST reply actions  

Atogwe has struggled to stay healthy

And Doughty is the next man up. Another option at safety is a must IMO. With all of the passing in there league we can’t be as exposed to the deep ball and it will help our playmaker CB get turnovers.

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by Copious 1 on Dec 3, 2011 4:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Gomes has another year under belt and I would be tempted to move barnes to safety to replace doughty

When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey

by Redskin44 on Dec 3, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, that we should at least use a 2nd and possibly a 3rd or 4th on a linemen

!st has to go to QB, an i’m torn between Jones and Barkley.

Crying Lion

by Tiller56 on Dec 3, 2011 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

I'm a fan of both

Adcock, the RT from Oklahoma St(whom we will see tonight vs Oklahoma), and my boy Ben Jones, C/G from Georgia.

Crying Lion

by Tiller56 on Dec 3, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

at 2 and 3, I would be a happy man

When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey

by Redskin44 on Dec 3, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get it Tiller.

You’re torn between Jones and Barkley? If you said you were torn between RG3 and Barkely…OK

@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.

by Diesel44 on Dec 3, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

No I've had my doubts about RG3 entering this whole time

until he declares, I’m not getting too excited.

Going into the season, it was Luck and Jones. Midway through the season, I saw the great improvement in Barkley, and began to change my opinion on him, so outside of Luck, it has been Jones and Barkley for me.

Crying Lion

by Tiller56 on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd be surprised if Grubbs got away from Baltimore.

But like Yanda last year, I think we’d be interested and he’d be a huge pick up for us. I like the Bowe signing, I think that would be our target this year after Holmes last year.

I’m good with either RG3 or Barkley in round 1, but I think we’ll probably have to move up a bit to get one of them, probably sacrificing our 2nd or 3rd rounder in the process.

I disagree with what people are saying here that we should draft an Oline in the 2nd or 3rd round. I think we have to take the best player available that fills a need. If that happens to be a CB or a WR instead of an Oline, so be it. I would only take a player based on bigger need if there is a deadlock between grades on two different players. For example, if we have an Olineman and a CB both ranked as a high 2nd rounder, then I would go to the bigger need, Oline. But if we have the Olineman ranked as a mid to late 2nd and the CB as a late 1st/early 2nd, I take the CB every time.

One other thing, Willie Smith isn’t starting at RT next year.

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by UkRedskin on Dec 3, 2011 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

Nicks may be more realistic, in terms of NO not being able to keep him

When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey

by Redskin44 on Dec 3, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The OL projections above are going into training camp ONLY

I think Jamal Brown will still be around unfortunately, but couldn’t bear to put him in the mix.

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by Copious 1 on Dec 3, 2011 5:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Do we have enough Salary Cap for those 5 players?

As well as re-signing Landry, Fletcher and Davis?

Beck to the future!

by The Shanaplan on Dec 3, 2011 5:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

we got a ton of cap space

but I don’t think we have that much. Even with Landry’s contract shrinking by the week I can’t see how we afford that unless we put ourselves in Cap Hell again, right at a time when we are going to be wanting to extend guys like Orakpo, Riley, Hankerson, Helu etc.

Bowe is going to get a contract north of an average of $10 million a year, and Grimes will probably be right there as well. Grubbs and Myers should come in around $7.5 and $5.5 averages, and Soliai even coming off a more down year could get $4-6 million average (really hard to pinpoint right now).

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 3, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Would be okay not getting Bowe

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by Copious 1 on Dec 3, 2011 6:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I would go after him if davis walked. I know its a different position, but we have the luxury of 2 pretty goos TE in Cooley and Pualson

When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey

by Redskin44 on Dec 3, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

on the downside of his career- yep, but if davis asks for $35 mil over 5, id let him walk and be ok with cooley for next yr, and the use that $ for a WR

When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey

by Redskin44 on Dec 3, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

7 mil per yr?

Not going to happen. His blocking is JR varsity and he’s essentially a bloated WR. He’ll get decent money but he’s not a top 15 TE. Cooley will be back if he accepts a paycut.

@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.

by Diesel44 on Dec 3, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I tend to agree, but unfortunately people really pay for the catches

which Davis has a lot of even if a bunch is trash time production. Greg Olsen got $6 million a year after being traded and he’s a bad blocker and wasn’t on the open market.

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 4, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree but look at Olson now...

40 catches 451 YDs and 4 TDs on a bad Carolina team. Hardly worth the money.

@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.

by Diesel44 on Dec 4, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

He will ask for $6.5 to $7 mil per yr for 5 years. Fully agree he could not block an 80 year old woman crossing the street. Question is do you pay him that, or let him walk and instead put that money towards a WR and go with Cooley and Logan

When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey

by Redskin44 on Dec 4, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I knew we had space (11 million I think?)

But, not the 30-40 million this would require

Beck to the future!

by The Shanaplan on Dec 4, 2011 6:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

before resigning guys

we should have just above $40 million…obviously that comes down after re-upping those guys, but you can shave probably another $5 million in cutting guys like Beck, Sellers, etc.

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 4, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Willie Smith being the starting RT & the backup LT could be problematic

Not drafting an interior lineman/RT in the 2nd & 3rd Rd.s (if the quality is still on the board & this is a good year for both positions) would be a mistake IMHO. Bundle those two 4th Rd.ers together to get back into the 3rd Rd. because McNutt would be an excellent choice at that spot. Chris Marve from Vandy in the 5th. We need to go after quality lineman after acquiring a QB no matter how appealing any of the glamor position players are.

by ENsDad27 on Dec 3, 2011 5:26 PM EST reply actions  

8 linemen on the roster for regular season, only so many bodies you, can have.

Last years starter backing up Grubbs and an all conference G backing up Chester with a studd in Meyers at center, I would consider the interior line addressed. RT still a ?, but again….I don’t see Brown being gone unfortunately. Also, don’t forget that with the improved interior (no pass rush in the QBs face) and an improved receiving Corp comes improved oline play as well, as teams would be unable to blitz as much as they do now. No one is currently afraid of our air attack, having to respect it will relieve a little pass blocking strain. No negating any of your thoughts, offering a more complete view of my thinking.

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by Copious 1 on Dec 3, 2011 5:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I like Willie Smith

but I have a hard time buying that a guy who’s been inactive for nearly all of this season, even with guys not a 100%. RT has to be a priority this year and while I really like what you did on the interior you need a stronger RT. Even if Brown (which would make me sick) is our swing tackle, we need to find a real starter there. And while improved QB play and WR play will help, a rookie QB is going to need all the protection you can give him. Teams will still be rushing at least 4 on most plays, which means some quality defenders that our RT needs to block.

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 3, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

So...

How would you modify above to make RT work? Didn’t see any in Free Agency, may have missed them.

Thoughts on safety?

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by Copious 1 on Dec 3, 2011 6:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

there really aren't any RT's in FA

which is why I think it has to be addressed no later than the 3rd round. As for safety, if they can get both Grubbs and Myers, and bring back Monty cheap then I think they can use their 3rd rounder on safety. One thing that they could do, esp. if the tackle class looks strong is trade back in the 2nd round to the end of the round and pick up an extra late 3rd to get either a WR or CB there.

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 3, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Overall I think its a really good job

but I don’t know how much of it can happen.

I really don’t see the Skins being able to sign those 5 FA’s, esp. b/c Bowe and Grimes are going to get HUGE deals. In fact it wouldn’t shock me if the contracts of Grubbs and Myers combined are roughly going to be the same as Bowe. And Grimes will get nearly that as well (and of all these guys I’m betting he gets Franchised).

While I think you bring up a good point about a guy like T.J. McDonald (who can also help out at SS with Landry’s injuries), it is even less likely that Atogwe is gone than Brown (and Atogwe is at least functional), so I can’t see them spending a 2nd rounder there. At least not as long at AT is such an issue.

I like both Massie and Washington a lot but I think they are both iffy to declare if they really are in that 3rd-4th round area (I think Washington still could, but both are maybe’s at best). So if the Redskins end up with lesser O-linemen I think it will get a lot uglier.

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 3, 2011 6:21 PM EST reply actions  

Update - Per suggestions from Tiller & SteveO

For the record, McDonald was not a replacement for Atwoge, but as a backup starter to be.

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by Copious 1 on Dec 3, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Safety is a priority

Landry can get healthy and should be re-signed. We have good young talent in Gomes, and OJ is not washed up yet. I also believe Barnes can play S if needed.

Crying Lion

by Tiller56 on Dec 3, 2011 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

Again...not as a replacement.

Atwoge gets injured, then what…Doughty again?

SS is Landry backed up by Gomes

We need a legitimate backup to Atwoge

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by Copious 1 on Dec 3, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Grade Vote Count @ Update

11% – A (2 votes)
33% – B (6 votes)
44% – C (8 votes)
11% – D (2 votes)

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by Copious 1 on Dec 3, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

with the update I'd move mine up to the B to B+ range

With that 4th rounder I’d look to grab a CB (since Adcock is now the 2nd rounder). I’d also look to move back in the 2nd round as Adcock isn’t a great fit for a top 40 pick.

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 3, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

ALLEN/SHANNY Love to trade down !

If the Skins end up with a top 10 pick , as expected , 1st round will be one of the top 4 QB’s. I say this because many of the teams finishing with a higher draft order , already have , or think they have , their franchise QB . Luck will go to Indy , and any of the remaining 3 will fit perfectly in the Shannahan system .
From my understanding , after Kalil , many of the other top OT’s will slide to the late 2nd , to early 3rd rounds . I could see the Skins trading down with their 2nd round pick to get an extra 3rd or 4th round pick . I can also see them trading their 3rd round pick for a lower 3rd round pick and an extra 4th rounder . After wheeling and dealing of picks they could potentially wind up with a huge draft haul . If I’m not mistaken , the Skins already have an extra 4th and 6th round pick .
With the right trading partners , they can get their franchise QB in the first , a starting caliber RT in the lower second , and still have 2-3rd rounders , 3-4th rounders , 1-5th , 2-6th , and a 7th rounder , to fill allot of needs with .
I’m thinking that Nicks will be available in FA , due to the Saints need to resign Brees , and other FA’s on team , while still having to sign their own draft class . The Skins should be able to pick him up in FA . I agree with everyone that London Fletcher needs to be resigned , and I would resign Kerraker (spell?) . Unlike everyone else , I would not resign Landry . He gets burned too often in pass deffence , due to playing too far off the reciever , trying to either jump the route , or make a big hit . He also misses way too many tackles , trying to make the big hit , instead of wrapping a man up for a proper tackle . I like the way Gomes is playing , and feel that he will do a much better job in coverage , and make more tackles . I do believe Fred Davis should be resigned , but only at the right price . Cooley is still under contract , and Paulsen is looking pretty good . No need to overpay Davis if his agent is unreasonable . I say bring back Hightower , as he will not be able to demand a huge contract , coming off knee surgery .
With 5 picks in rounds 3-4 , draft a center , a guard , a NT , ILB , and a DB . Rounds 5-7 give you 4-5 picks , depending on earlier trades , to add depth at O-LINE , D-LINE , LB ,WR ,DB . Running back should already be set with what we have .

by EldonD on Dec 3, 2011 11:40 PM EST reply actions  

Set at RB?

I wouldn’t go that far yet. Helu played well against Seattle but that’s just one game and Hightower will be coming off knee surgery. Torain is much more miss than hit and Evan Royster has one career carry. You can’t have too much depth at running back and we all know how Shanahan likes to draft RB’s in the later rounds. I guarentee that we take at least one RB in this upcoming draft and I hope we do too. It would be a gamble to just go with what we currently have IMO

by JD For Breakfast on Dec 4, 2011 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Set at RB !!!

Helu is a beast ! Look at what he’s already doing , behind a crappy o-line . I can’t wait to see what he will do behind a good o-line . We all know that Shanny will pick-up a RB in late rounds , or UDFA . He can’t help himself . He loves RB’S like Gruden loves QB’s !
Also need to consider that a new , improved qb/ passing attack will open up the field for a better running game .

by EldonD on Dec 4, 2011 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

I agree

Helu looks impressive but it would be foolish to call him our new feature back after two good games. And we still look light in depth behind him

by JD For Breakfast on Dec 7, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

nice

I like this but what if RGIII doesn’t declare since barkley is stayingin school. I wouldn’t spent a top 10 pick on landry jones. And I hae a feeling that the line is going to have 4 starters tht started the season they love Kory and chester at guard an Jammal and trent at tackle. Would shanny take a look at wr 1st round if his qb wast there and he couldn’t trade down?

by riggs81 on Dec 4, 2011 9:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

wrong

I thought I saw on twitter that Barkley decided to stay. Then I re-read it and it said he could decide to stay today. So I was wrong! Oops ha.

by riggs81 on Dec 4, 2011 10:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

4 starters

Kory and Williams looked like they were getting in a groove before kory got injured. But I agree LT is very well needed. Jammal had some good games but has had way more bad games. But what do I know? Shanny is way to unpredictable for me to guess.

by riggs81 on Dec 4, 2011 11:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

For me Brown has been flat out awful this year

the Cards game wasn’t too bad, and if that was the worst he played all season then it would be fantastic, unfortunately I think it was the best.

Chester has really struggled as well and should not be guaranteed a job (I say he fights it out with Licht). As for Licht he was playing well but I don’t want to get overly excited for a few reasons:

1. Even though he was playing well, and he was the Skins best lineman the first 4 games this wasn’t at a Pro Bowl level, so it should be kept in perspective.

2. It was a really small sample size of 4 games and it is hard to say if he could keep it up. I’m not trying to take that away from him, but it is quite possible that his play had peaked (it def. could go the other way as well). And it wasn’t against our toughest competition.

3. He was down right horrendous the year before, so while it would be nice if he did develop its important to remember the entire picture.

4. He’s coming off a major knee injury. Unfortunately how he comes back from injury will go a long way to determining if he can be a good starter.

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 5, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

so i meant RT is needed

by riggs81 on Dec 5, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I gave you a D before the update

Now I give you a c+. If you had kept Bowe, it would be a B.

Crying Lion

by Tiller56 on Dec 8, 2011 8:42 AM EST reply actions  

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