Redskins Loss to Vikings Is a Good Time to Air My Festivus Grievances
by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 24, 2011 5:17 PM EST
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If I had told you before the game both Christian Ponder and Adrian Peterson would get knocked out, would you have bet the Redskins? Maybe? Probably. The Redskins' offense had their standard two turnovers and for the second year in a row vs the Vikings, Brandon Banks had a touchdown called back.
It really is amazing that the Redskins can hang with the Pats and smoke a team like the Giants, on the road, and then lay a complete egg versus a 2-12 team. Surely we're used to this by now after all the losses to the Lions and Rams over the years, but this was a tough one to watch. The Redskins finished with a home record of 2-6 this season. Who wants some club level tickets?
Evan Royster had a solid game running for 132 yards on 19 carries. The Vikings, however, had 389 yards total offense and were 4-6 in the red zone. I don't think that qualifies for a "bend don't break" defense. For those that think this Redskins defense will be a top 10 D next year, there's a lot of work to be done, especially with the safeties. The missed tackles are so infuriating. In addition, how often do we see Redskins corners 1-1 with a WR on deep routes with no help? Why is Josh Wilson 1-1 with Percy Harvin deep? Is that our defensive scheme or did a safety miss his assignment? The Vikings should have run the option every play. The Redskins never had anyone to take the QB.
SERENITY NOW. OK, I'm done with the Festivus airing of grievances. Happy Holidays to everyone. Oh, and kudos to Dan Steinberg for capturing Brian Mitchell's Redskins Holiday Wish List.
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I was neither shocked nor surprised that the Skins lost to Minn. Where was Helu today? I could not get the game down here.
by redskins-texas-fan on Dec 24, 2011 5:33 PM EST reply actions
out with injuries
worked him out before game, decided it was a no-go. running game wasn’t an issue at all today.
"Women should have three breasts - two in front and one in the back for dancing." -Al Bundy
Glad our Defense decided not to show up today. Just goes to show you how important depth is. We desperately need safety depth. I’m sick and tired of the skins playing to the other teams level. They get up for the ‘big" games but they can’t do it for the ones that don’t matter. I’m frustrated, not happy with this year and the results at all. I expected to see more consistency. They are just all over the place this year.
No way bro
It is all Kyle and Rex’s fault. If RG3 was on the team he would have stopped Webb and Toby from treating our defense like Middle Tennessee State.
Troy Aikman is the greatest announcer of all time.
by Jeff Bernard on Dec 24, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
In al fairness to the defense.
You prepare all week for Ponder and one type of offense, then we knock out Ponder and Webb comes in with the Option offense which is very hard to defend if you haven’t practised it.
And on the Wilson 1-on-1 deep play to Harvin, that was a Cover Zero blitz that Webb just put it up and got lucky that Harvin is fast as lightening.
Not excuses.
In no way did I say I was ok with what happened. I was just explaining what had happened. Doesn’t mean it’s something that we can just overlook, we need to address all of these problems.
I made this comment in the game thread too,
when a QB like Webb comes in who plays a completely different style of QB then the D aren’t prepared. However the coaches surely have prepared some plays in the likelihood that Ponder goes down.
Trouble is
They should have seen this in game film. The Lions had the same problem a couple of weeks ago with the change of qbs. they should have Ben prepared.
by BAFGA on Dec 25, 2011 12:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
the last few years
have looked like shanahan does the game plan as soon as he gets the schedule and doesnt ever adjust it…
omg dude...you need to crack the windows and turn on a fan in the film room...seriously
or did you mean we prepared all week for a running team that likes to take a chance down field with percy harvin on occassion and found themselves head faked when MIN changed to a back up QB and backup RB and became a running team that likes to take a chance downfield with percy harvin on occassion
that loss is every bit as bad as it seemed:
The Redskins do not tackle well nor have they all season. And YES, our two prized, young OLB are sub par run and pass defenders- no surprise since they are both good DEs.
Some of Haslet’s blitz packages have weak coverage responsibilities. That is what others in the league have been saying all year according to John Keim’s discussions with them. Regardless, that cover zero blitz has burned us many times for key plays throughout the year. It isnt lucky on Joe Webb…he did what he was suppose to do. PH has been a top playmaker in the NFL for the past five weeks. With that offense and the personnel they had against us in the second half, we would have won playing straight up defense. They aren’t good enough to score 30 points unless we do stupid stuff- like a heavy blitz against a super athletic QB and leave their only playmaker in single coverage on a hot downfield read- especially knowing he is faster than everyone on our defense.
AND Haslet helped coach us to that loss.
The Redskins tackle poorly, Period. Of course, London is a beast. But this defense does not tackle well. AND some blitz packages have flawed coverage responsibilities…which is why we keep getting burned on the same “coverage zero” blitz.
Moreover, Joe Webb did not get lucky that Harvin was fast as shit. PH is fast. He has been one of the hottest receivers in the NFL over the past five weeks. AND he was the only one from MIN that could beat us. Our coaches
by les boulez bomber on Dec 25, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
ooops...sorry for the double up. I think you get my points
On a bright note, Kyle has had several good games in a row and I want to publicly acknowledge it since I beat him up here many times throughout the season.
Good Job Kyle. Now let’s go out there and get you a line so you look even better next year!
by les boulez bomber on Dec 25, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
No, I meant that we prepared
for a conventional run heavy offense with Ponder rolling out on play-action. Then when Webb comes in they switch to the option offense, which means you have to account for one more player in the run game than we are used to (usually you ignore the QB once he’s handed it off). As much as you say they should have prepared for option looks, its different from occasional options plays to full on option offense. It’s like saying preparing for the Packers offense who may run some Patriots plays (both pass heavy offenses but in different ways) and then the Pats come out in the second half.
The success of the option is that it forces one on one match ups. This means we have to be form tacklers, which as you rightly say is a problem for the Redskins.
I also disagree that Orakpo and Kerrigan are sub par run defenders. Kerrigan has been one of our best defenders against the run all year, and Orakpo has definitely shown signs of improvement (there was one play yesterday where the tackle barely touched him and he made a play on AP in the backfield).
All blitz packages are going to have some coverage flaws, otherwise they’d be run by every team in the league. Not really sure where you’re coming from on that point. The whole point of a blitz is that you send a man that would usually be in coverage after the QB. So naturally that’s going to leave a hole behind him that needs to be covered. The more men blitzing the more holes that need to be covered and the harder it is to cover them. But the point is that you should get to the QB before he has a chance to exploit the holes in the coverage.
And let go of the cover zero and Haslett thing… Cover Zero has got beaten maybe 5 times this year (I can only remember 3 myself) but has made countless plays for us. Just a few weeks ago Haslett was being talked about on here (and other places) as he was finally settling in and calling some amazing games for us (which he was).
Yes Harvin made a great play. But Webb just threw it up there before he got it knowing Harvin was extremely fast. It was a good play from Webb because it was the only way they get a first down on that play, but he did just throw it up there…
Again I’d like to point out, not making excuses for the team, we clearly have plenty we need to work on (form tackling being one of those things). But there’s some criticism there that is unjust in my opinion.
Webb ran 10 plays- 5 run, 5 pass. We gave up 3 touchdowns among other big plays. I know the criticism is not unjust. This team has won 2 and lost 13 games, outside us. And we lost and gave up 33 points. Obviously, there is a lot of “fair” criticism to go around. Webb played last year too. And if you watched him you will know he is not that good of a passer. He is not going to beat you. And because he is not going to beat you, it is foolish to run such aggressive coverage against him. They only have one skilled player to cover! So to play PH one on one when you know he is faster than everyone on our defense and is running a hot route where the QB is likely to chuck it up because he is facing a heavy blitz is RECKLESS if not downright STUPID. Give the defender help with Harvin and enough drives will stall because they dont have the players to move the chains consistently and will not put up enough points.
I am not going to get into a big debate about it. The facts are the skins are not good. They won five games. They have given up 33 or more points in 3 of the past 4 weeks- against good offenses and bad. The defense got torched. The tackling stinks. And Kerrigan and Orakpo are lifelong defensive ends new to the outside linebacker position. They do not have the lateral quickness or ability to tackle against a cut back runner- the range- of a true outside linebacker. They overpursue. They have their strengths for sure. But if they were better tacklers, this defense would be better, this team would be better, and we would be better than 13-34 over the past three years.
John Keim is the top beat reporter covering the redskins, imho. He is without question one of the more high profile ones. And he has several articles commenting on interviews with league personnel outside the organization who have stated some of our blitz packages have unsound coverage responsibilities. And cover zero has cost us at least two football games this season (dallas and minnesota)- it needs to go back to the drawing board because we cant execute it consistently enough or its flawed or both.
by les boulez bomber on Dec 25, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
what happened to my reply? I am not going to repost it- the facts back me up. I think you do great work but disagree with you sometimes. I hope you can handle that
by les boulez bomber on Dec 25, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Come on man...
of course I can handle someone who disagree’s with me. I just happen to disagree with you on this matter. I just feel you’re overreacting to a few big series against Webb and generalizing the defense (who have been very good for a lot of the season, keeping us in most games) because of it. The natural thing to do is find someone or something to lay blame on after a loss like that.
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There’s Orakpo crashing inside and getting to Peterson before he can cut back outside.
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And that’s Kerrigan setting the edge, and jumping back outside when Peterson cuts back outside.
For what it’s worth. Peterson only had 38 yards on 12 rushes. That’s just over 3 yards per carry for one of the best RB’s in the league. Clearly we were doing something right in the run game…
I think we are talking about different games and different teams
The Redskins I am speaking about have won 11 games in 2 years. They won five games this year with one of the easiest schedules in the NFL. We know they have one of the easiest schedules in the NFL because we keep winning the lowest draft slot for next year among teams with the same record. And the tie breaker for teams with the same record is, coincidentally, the lower pick goes to the team with the easiest schedule determined by the number of games won by their opponents. We played the lowest seeded team in our two out of conference partial schedule. We went 4-3 against ARZ, STL, CAR, BUF, MIA, SEA, and MIN- which puts us square in the middle of the crappy teams in the NFL.
They surrendered 241 rushing yards to a team that has won 2 games all year and was without its rookie starting QB and all-pro running back for half the game. We scored 23 points on the same team which had already lost its entire starting secondary, including their dime coverage cornerback (that means we went against their fourth and fifth string CBs).
You can make all the excuses you want. You can point out this good play and that good play. The overwhelming body of work stands tall as a stinky team. You lose credibility when you cant acknowledge the obvious. We lost to a two win team with nothing to play for that flew halfway across the country on a short week to beat us in front of the smallest crowd in years with a heck of a lot of back up players. In fact, they only had two players on that team worth a damn in the second half- Percy Harvin and Jared Allen.
It is pathetic. And to attempt to sugar coat it, like by suggesting that Adrien Peterson had only 38 yards rushing while failing to acknowledge he broke both his ACL and MCL and missed half the game or slow ass Toby Gerhardt who can only run straight came in and rushed for 109 yards on only ten carries is a joke. AP would have scored a TD on Gerhardt’s break out run.
Are we going to read next week if Philly lays another 30 points on our “good” defense: If we ignore their scoring plays, we really held them and build momentum for the offseason. Let’s talk about the draft where we routinely draft players who are asked to play a different position with us then they played in college. I’m hoping we pick up a good safety that can one day replace London Fletcher, because if we lose our 36 year old should be hall of famer next year, you will see just how good this defense is. We have 1.5 players that can play sideline to sideline AND tackle on defense. THAT is why we cant stop a simple cut back and lose games to shitty ass teams like MIN. The Redskins laid an egg, at home, on Christmas eve and set the franchise back after an unexpectedly good win against the Giants. You are your record, and we are 1-3 giving up 31 points a game over the last month. And I expect that trend to continue with Phily next week.
by les boulez bomber on Dec 26, 2011 7:50 AM EST up reply actions
And BTW, MIN gives up 29 points a game, on average
so we underperformed there…
double team jared allen and double team percy harvin and we win. YES, it is really that simple.
by les boulez bomber on Dec 26, 2011 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
Well done...
The Redskins aren’t a great team. Everyone on this site knows that. We wouldn’t be 5-10 if we weren’t a bad team. I try my best not to get overwhelmed by some negativity, and try to focus on the few positives that we have.
Yes we gave up a lot or rushing yards. But as I was explaining it was to a completely different system than we prepared for. Yes Webb and the Vikings have run a few option plays here and there but not on a consistent basis. I’m not saying its excusable that we did that. I’m just explaining its difficult to adjust during the middle of the game. It’s like coming out against a power run team in the first half, to a zone-blocking scheme in the second. Its a completely different game plan.
You say we lost to a two win team with nothing to play for and had tons of injuries. That’s absolutely true. But you can’t forget we are a 5 win team with nothing to play for and have had tons of injuries ourselves. Look at our Oline. We’ve had UDFA Willie Smith, 7th rounder Mo Hury at LG for half the year, former late rounder Eric Cook at C, and a couple of guys who couldn’t make other teams (Polumbus and Locklear) have started here. Royster started at RB after not even making the team (Hightower went down injured, as did Helu). We lost a guy who was looking like he could be a playmaker at WR in Hankerson. We lost our number 1 receiver in Moss for a significant amount of time. Our TE Chris Cooley went down early in the season. Second rounder Jarvis Jenkins looked promising in pre-season and got injured. Landry has never recovered from his injury last year due to the lockout. The list goes on.
But among all of this injury/suspension chaos, the Redskins were 3 missed FG’s from Gano (all against Dallas, 2 in one game, 1 in the other) from being 7-7 going into this Vikings game, in contention to win the NFC East and having tiebreakers in our favor, giving us something to play for. But I guess you “lose credibility when you can’t acknowledge” that…
Yes Peterson missed half the game with an ACL/MCL tear, But he was full go until that point and the defense held one of the best (if not the best) RB’s in the league to a 3 yard average. (Also just to point out Gerhart can do more than run straight, that big run was a cut back so he actually started running one way and cut back the other… not an excuse, just saying he can do more than just ‘run straight’…)
I get the feeling you have it out for this team and this organisation in general. You have a thing against Orakpo and Kerrigan because they were college DE’s and are now 3-4 OLBs. But the best pass-rusher in the game (DeMarcus Ware) was a DE in college and is now a 3-4 OLB. Kerrigan and Orakpo are the same height and practically the same weight as him (Kerrigan is about 5 pounds more). They both fit as 3-4 OLBs as everyone else here can clearly see. The fact you’re criticizing Kerrigan, despite being a rookie with practically no training camp and having to make the transition to a 3-4 OLB while still being the one of the top 3/4 players on this defense, is unbelievable…
by UkRedskin on Dec 26, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thanks for the back handed compliments
nice touch. I especially like when you dig low to attack me with your unfounded opinions like you have it in for this team and organization, you are over reacting, you are negative because you dont suck up, omit facts and sugar coat like me, how dare you criticize Kerrakpo- unbelievable.
Kerrakpo, since we are on the subject, are two of our few core building blocks on defense. They are not all world and protected against criticism. Too often, Orakpo does not show up in big games for us. For that reason, I like Kerrigan better. But if the Redskins keep drafting players hoping they can transition into a new position in the NFL- that is their choice. It’s valid and expected to question the move when they dont result in wins. This is a game about winning. And neither of them are on par with DeMarcus Ware, Ryan Matthews, or other top OLB in the league. They are north-south players right now and neither are particularly good playing in space. It is not even close. Did you watch the Packers game last night? You yourself did a piece noting the Redskins cant tackle runners that change direction very well- which is interesting since they practice against Helu every week. Some of it is the other players picked to play in our scheme. EG, playing limited range DEs to play the linebacker position and making it worse by having a secondary that is small and acts like a speed bump more than a tackling machine.
Fans criticize the bad and hopefully acknowledge the good. We do it because we pay upfront whether the players perform or not. Our offense and special teams, despite not scoring as many points as most other teams, played well enough to win the game. As banged up as Minn was, on a short week, and losing their QB and RB, played well enough to win. Rex gave them some points, but not enough. We should have held them. This was on both the players who came out flat and uninspired. And the coaching staff- specifically Haslett. Gerhardt ran all over us last year- with Peterson playing. Webb played last week after they benched Ponder for performance. It really is NOT surprising they played.
And here is a shocking concept: when you have better talent across the board- and Minnesota had Jared Allen, AP, and PH only. You neutralize their playmakers and play them straight up until they prove they are out scheming you. You dont do stupid stuff like run a full blown cover zero blitz where you have single coverage on a deep route when their playmaker can make a game changing play. THAT is bad coaching. Period.
Despite your attack, I dont have it in for this team or organization. But MANY of our problems are self inflicted: Who gave up two high draft picks for McNabb? Who traded away our starting QB who may not have been a franchise QB but is certainly better than EVERYONE we have brought in to replace him for nothing? Who changed defensive schemes unnecessarily and applied token band aids to an offense that was a disaster two years in a row? And why didn’t we get a QB last year? Dont give me the BS that there weren’t any available. There were a lot of good rookie QB prospects that played this year.
And as a forty year long fan in this situation, I expect incremental improvement considering where this franchise started with this front office and coaching staff and the fact that we had an easy schedule this year. I pay for the privilege to complain about what they screw up and praise what they do right. The offensive line did a good job last game, especially neutralizing Jared Allen. And our rookie third string running back went for over 130 yards. But the Redskins are their record- worse than last year with better players and an easier schedule.
by les boulez bomber on Dec 26, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
IRONICALLY
This team could field a better 4-3 defense than 3-4…still
What will you think if we give up another 30+ points in a blow out loss to Philly next week?
by les boulez bomber on Dec 26, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Well, apologies if you felt that
as an ‘attack’ on you. It certainly wasn’t intended that way. I’m just about done with this conversation (I imagine you are as well) and if we’ve gotten to the point where you feel like I’m attacking you, then I think I’ll just cut it off here.
I root for the skins during the game
and then accept our disaster of a team and say at least we didn’t hurt our draft position…
what can you do…baby steps…play calling was better…and Helu / Royster seems like a nice option for a backfield next year…
Any idea where this might put us in way if the draft?
by Nattyhat on Dec 24, 2011 6:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think we are still 7th.
And likely still 7th. I believe (and I could easily be wrong) lowest we can now go is 8th (if we beat the Eagles next week). Browns and Bucs aren’t beating the Steelers and Falcons respectively next week. So we can move up to 6th if the Jags beat the Colts, but that would guarantee the Colts the first pick. So if Jags lose to the Colts, we’re likely to remain 7th.
Maybe we will have a chance at RG3
Assuming the Browns don’t give up on Colt
by Nattyhat on Dec 24, 2011 8:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
maybe...but Id be surprised if he fell that low.
I hate to say it, but IF RG3 or Barkley aren’t there, we need to grab the best LT prospect.
Since our dumbass LT is only a puff away from a year suspension and two puffs away from forever banned in the NFL, he can not be more than a RT in this league. …which is fine since we need one of them too. But you can not hold the franchise hostage for the next decade hoping he doesnt light one up.
by les boulez bomber on Dec 25, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
The Grievances Have Been Aired
Now lets get on with the Feats of Strength!
Don't put your beer in the microwave, eh. It'll boil.- Bob McKenzie
After the Seattle Game
i didn’t think the Skins were going to win another game. They shocked me with the NYG win but none of this should come as a surprise to anyone who follows this team.
I mean, this website has been talking about offseason moves and the upcoming draft since week 7. And to top it all off the Redskins will have a new QB next season (I fully expect Danny & Shanny to trade every draft pick for Peyton Manning). This team and coaching staff are not getting any better nor is this team showing signs of improvement.
did anyone hear what went down
With Brandon Jacobs and Rex Ryan? Pretty epic if its true
by no more kwame's in dc on Dec 24, 2011 8:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
hahaha i cant even lie
I gained some respect for Brandon Jacobs
by no more kwame's in dc on Dec 24, 2011 8:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Haha Ryan says "wait till we win the superbowl"
Well, Giants beat ya there, 3 times i believe.
West Springfield Spartans OUTSIDE LB #47
HTTR
by SpartanFS47 on Dec 24, 2011 11:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rex Ryan needs to shut his fucking mouth
and so do all the other trash talking morons in the NFL.It’s classless and in the end all you’ll do is get yourself embarrassed. Like Rolle on the Redskins or Ryan on the Giants, or the Jets on the Pats. Imbeciles, the lot of them.
by TheDeepBall on Dec 25, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
No surprise
Skins were coming off a spike win on the road against a division rival. Top that with being home for christmas and playing as a significant favorite (they do know, and it does make a difference) for the first time since week 5, and it was a no-brainer. Not to mention the skins have now lost I think 9 straight against rookie qbs? Always root for my skins, but was not in the least bit surprised.
Hail 2012!
I'm the first to admit when I'm wrong.... except when someone else beats me to it.
by Backhanded Complement on Dec 24, 2011 8:10 PM EST reply actions
Does it count to the streak?
Considering that Webb and Gerhart were the reason we lost and that if Ponder was still in we probably would’ve run away with the game.
defense sucked balls today!
as was said earlier, this game goes to show you how much depth we have and that we’re nowhere looking like a top 10 defense next year. if your playing to your opponents talent, then you’re never going anywhere. and talk about missed tackles! i hope this team can get their play up both mentally and physically. and i must say that, the offense wasn’t great today, but they were able to move the ball alot. so this wasn’t the case of the continous 3 and outs, and the defense being tired. the defense just flat out STUNK today!
mobile QB'S are a total nightmare for this team!
hell……………..pocket QB’S too!
by alleykatt1000 on Dec 24, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
In Bristol, Virginia with family, for Christmas...
…and what used to be the regional team (hence my love for the Skins) is apparently not anymore. I could not see the game today; the freakin’ NYG-NYJ game was on (WTF?…I miss my Sunday Ticket). Sounds as if I didn’t miss anything, though.
Anywho, I’m curious…how did Royster look? Obviously, with that kind of yardage, he must have done quite well. But was it just a solid day, or does he show great promise for the future? Does he complement Helu’s strengths? Can a Helu-Royster backfield anchor this team’s running game next season?
by Dixie's Football Pride on Dec 24, 2011 8:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Looked good…but I think both are complementary backs…neither could carry 15 times a game for a season without getting hurt. We still need a feature back but they are fine for now while we fix the bigger offensive issues.
by les boulez bomber on Dec 25, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
facepalm
But I see a lot of good things in this team. Royster and Helu are going to be hell for the rest of the East next year.
We are consistently scoring 20+points now and I feel confident that with RG3 (we’re drafting him) this team will be special.
Not to mention we’re dropping 20+ with no TE and Willie Smith at LT.
Biggest mistake in that game was knocking Ponder out.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Dec 24, 2011 9:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
True that, sooooo much negativity about this game but there were a lot of positives.
Gaffney was a monster, our undrafted rookie LT kept the best defensive end in the NFL under check and Banks had a good day, not to mention that we had 2 TD’s called back on absolute bullshit calls from the ref.
Losing at home to a 2-12 team
Is NEVER positive.
if he was the least bit moble that wouldnt happen either
For example the Monday night game in Dallas our last play on offense was Grossman attempting to run the ball which led to him getting hit and fumbling leading to us losing the game. If he was a faster that would have never happened, right? Rg3 or tannehil would have made a play on that
by no more kwame's in dc on Dec 24, 2011 10:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yes it does
He will always find a way to give the ball away. It’s what he does. Every QB gets hit at some point. EVERY QB!! And when it’s Rex’s turn, he gives up the ball. Death and taxes.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
You're kidding
Rex G is known for the strip/sack. Remember week 3 @ Dallas?
Same Ole Story
I was at the game and see first hand. Grossman is the problem plain and simple. He missed a lot of reads and looked slow. Nothing we can do about that but stay strong.
by NITECRAWLER1G on Dec 24, 2011 10:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. If the Jags win and we lose, we move up to 6th place.
If the Bucs win as well we move up to 5th place. So yeah….let’s go Jags.
The other option is if the Colts win and and the Rams lose, then maybe Bradford can be had for the price of out 1st Round pick and the Rams take Luck. Browns have us beat in any trade for Luck.
Redskins @RGIII - 2012
I can't think of a single recent draft pick
Except for Kerrigan,
That improved this team.
Happy Festivus
my grievance is that I am so sick of losing……..just so so sick of losing……….now as stated above…………ON TO THE FEATS OF STRENGTH!
"You can build a million bridges, suck one dick, you're not a bridgebuilder you are a cocksucker." - - Woody Harrelson
I wonder if Vontaze Burfict would over run plays like the skins pass rushers?
How do Browns have us beat in any trade for Luck?
DEAR UK, ALL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS AN ANALYSIS OF OUR RUN D...
everything i read in redskin circles is how well our front 7 is playing, from bowen to carraker to fletcher and rielly but for god sakes man or D cant stop the run to save its life! Id love a breakdown of what we are doing wrong and your expert insight on what we should address in the offseason to fix this. I like both cofield and nield but i belive they are both “tweeners” at NT and wouldnt mind finding a 6’2 350+ NT between now and our first 2012 game. Thanks santa!!!
by skinzaholic56 on Dec 25, 2011 1:07 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Well,
I was thinking of Royster breakdown or a look at how Willie Smith did against Jared Allen. But I could potentially do that if you so wish.
Our two OLB are DEs and dont have the range of true LBs. And we do not have a good tackler among our entire secondary- both corners and both safeties (LL cant count since he cant seem to play). That is over half the defense right there before you even get to schemes.
For a good comparison, watch SF defense play a game and you will see good tackling across the board. We are ok if they run into us, but we lack range and why we are killed by cut back runners.
by les boulez bomber on Dec 25, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Logic over emotions at the 2012 draft
Every Skins fan knows we need a long term QB. That being said, if we go 6-8 in draft we may not get a top tier QB at that point and we may have to decide to go either OL or DB, maybe even trade back for more picks. I do not want Grossman again next year, but I do not want to grab any QB out of desperation. Barkley not entering draft cuts back choices, and while I have reservations on RG3 I would say take him if he is there, but beyond that the Skins need to draft with their heads.
this
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by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 26, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
if we dont get a top qb
then we need to draft the best linemen or wr in the first round for our FA qb. then fill in the other holes with 2-5 round picks. maybe use picks in the 6 and 7th to move up in one of mid rounds if there is a guy we need. if not we really really should look for a new fg kicker.i would almost spend a 4th rounder on 1 if thought it save us from holding our breath on every kick.i just wish we woulda lost that seattle gamea few weeks ago. i knew that meanlingless win was gonna haunt our franchise for the future…
A couple points
First and most importantly the loss to Minn. was beneficial to the organization. Just because we let them score a few points and win the game doesn’t mean the defense needs to be gutted. Has it even dawned on you guys that if your guaranteed nothing for winning why should they when in turn, we are guaranteed something for losing more, a higher pick. Now I’ve heard on here a higher pick doesn’t mean squat, to that I laugh; It’s like saying because you give me opportunity doesn’t mean that i’m going to succeed. Haha your fired…
" For though 1 was the son of Zeus, as he
Of Cronus, yet I bore great misery
Beyond all bound, to a far worser man
Made subject, who set grievous tasks on me.
woulda been nice to have a really high pick in all rounds by going 3-13
with the way our draft went last year * best in a long time imo* how awesome woulda a top 3 pick plus all our other picks to work with. being this late picking in the draft we might not only lose a shot drafting the franchise qb it might also make us lose the 2nd round linemen we wanted or the 3rd round player we wanted… so the team might feel pressure to trade up in the first to get at least a top qb by trading picks 1-5 plus a 2 and 3 next year. and with the way our franchise has been there is a good chance that qb will be a bust for us… least if we went 3-13 it woulda been a free bust. can always just start beck all 16 games next year and have the number 1 again….
Our D lacks depth in the secondary?
Hardly a shocking claim. We’ve been getting burned on big plays consistently all year. If you’re going to blitz a lot like Haslett likes to do you need to have corner’s that can cover 1-1 and safeties that can cover deep routes. We don’t have either. Landry and OJ are capable starters but haven’t been healthy all season and Doughty is too slow. D-Hall can get the occasional INT but makes far more boneheaded plays. Gomes has flashed potential but isn’t yet good enough to be more than a back-up. Wilson has decent numbers but why bother throwing to your number #2 guy if your top reciever has D-Hall lining up against him? Our front seven is solid but the secondary lets them down
by JD For Breakfast on Dec 27, 2011 3:24 PM EST reply actions
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