No Barkley, No Problem For The Redskins
by Steve Shoup on Dec 22, 2011 5:21 PM EST
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PrintWith today's surprise announcement that Matt Barkley is returning to USC (and the rumors that Robert Griffin the III and Landry Jones could soon follow), Skins fans seem to be in a frenzy about what to do at quarterback next year. While it is an understandable concern when you stare at a depth chart of Rex Grossman and John Beck, it shouldn't be one that keeps Redskins fans up at night.
Even if the Redskins were not to win another game their chances at Griffin or Barkley were pretty slim. In addition to a team like Browns drafting ahead of them the Redskins had to worry about teams like the Dolphins, Seahawks or Chiefs would be a good position to trade up ahead of the Redskins. They are deeper teams and could afford giving up the extra picks needed in a deal. As for Landry Jones, his stock has been falling, and he's just not a good fit for the Redskins offensive style.This means that the only effect Barkley's decision has on Washington is it means another team will be competing with them for a QB in the 2nd round.
So what is left for the Skins?
Well even with the loss of one or more juniors this draft is still pretty deep among signal callers. The Redskins would probably be wise to look to trade back with a team looking for a RB, WR or CB, and try to stockpile picks. Not only does this fill multiple needs, but it helps ensure they are in a position to grab a QB. Here are the three the Redskins should be targeting:
Ryan Tannehill- Tannehill's numbers weren't as glamorous as some of the other big name quarterbacks, but he could end up being the best fit for this offense. He's smart, he's mobile, and he throws well on the run. His accuracy can be streaky at times, but overall he throws a number of balls on the numbers. He had a lot of elements of a pro style offense in college, as his coach was former Packers Head Coach, and Seahawks and Texans offensive coordinator (yes he was the OC in Houston before Kyle Shanahan and ran the Shanahan offense under Kubiak). Tannehill also showed a great attitude, when he lost the starting QB job as a (RS) freshman, by switching positions instead of transferring. He stayed at wide receiver for his first 30 college games, before taking over the starting QB duties mid-way through 2010.
Brandon Weeden- If Weeden was 21 or 22 he'd easily be in the top 15 discussion, but he pursued a baseball career first, and now is 28 years old. While his age does work against him, it can also help him, as his transition to the NFL shouldn't be as cumbersome. He understands the discipline and daily grind of being a professional athlete, as well as the media attention and scrutiny of being a high pick. Weeden is more NFL ready than most QB prospects and could fit in early next season. He might not have a 10 year window of success, but he is a safer bet than most for the next 5-7 years.
Nick Foles- No quarterback has done more with less than Foles these last two seasons, but he also gets scrutizied due to his lack of wins. While the losses did mount, the fact remains that the talent around him was worse than most FCS teams. Foles is a big strong armed prospect, with good potential. His decision making and accuracy have improved, and he definitely looks like a guy who can start. I think with the top guys leaving he is firmly in the 2nd round discussion.
Additionally, if Griffin and Jones both stay in school as well, you could see guys like Arizona State's Brock Osweiler, Florida State's E.J. Manuel, or Arkansas's Tyler Wilson declare and become options as well. The Redskins shouldn't tempt fate though, and look to find at least a decent free agent option as well. Be it Matt Flynn, Kyle Orton, Chad Henne or Drew Stanton, to go along with Rex Grossman for next year. Washington can improve their quarterback situation even if they don't take one in the top 15 picks.
Steve Shoup has been a Redskins fan his entire life and dreams of the day they get back to the glory days of his youth. In addition to his regular piece on Hogs Haven, you can find his daily writings at Fanspeak.com.
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by Ronnie Adkins on Dec 22, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've been screaming Tannehill for weeks
RGIII Was always my first, but given the chance he may not enter, Tannehill’s got my vote. He runs a 4.65 40. (Opposed to Barkley’s 4.72
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by Ronnie Adkins on Dec 22, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
yeah and I don't believe Barkley's speed is nearly as functional as Tannehill's
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Nope
I see it this way, if we can adjust the OL with some solid FA’s and take Tannehill, he would have the mobility to make a play on his feet if he has to.
Weeden btw runs a 4.92 and Foles a 4.96.
I feel like we need a more mobile signal caller.
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by Ronnie Adkins on Dec 22, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
huh? I think we are in agreement, i was just saying I don't think Barkley runs as well as his time suggests
I actually think Weeden and Foles have better pocket ability than people think, they might not run for yards like Tannehill, but they aren’t statues either.
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I see what happened there
I was saying nope in agreement with your Barkley vs Tannehill functional speed comment
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by Ronnie Adkins on Dec 22, 2011 6:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
gotcha
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Tannehill has actually run a 4.54
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by Jeff Bernard on Dec 22, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Source?
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by Ronnie Adkins on Dec 22, 2011 6:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=72020&draftyear=2012&genpos=qb
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by Jeff Bernard on Dec 22, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
those are projected, unofficial times
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Are they?
What the hell is a projected 40 time? Haha I didn’t really look into it was just goggle-ing his 40 times and saw those. I project my 40 times is like 3.9 but i’m pretty fast.
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by Jeff Bernard on Dec 22, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
it's more of unofficial time then projected I guess, they set parameters
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he's fast. it does not matter
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
I will vomit
if Tannehill is the future of this team at QB. The guy has a weak arm, makes poor decisions, and is not overally accurate.
Just what we need; another Pactric Ramsey/Jason Campbell type.
Crying Lion
Tannehill is the exact opposite of what you described
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AMEN....
Steve, you said it…
he lost the starting QB
His accuracy can be streaky at times
Both descriptions scream mediocrity. Jacksonville tried the college QB/WR conversion (I forget that guys name) and it was disasterous.
The Jags tried turning College QB Matt Jones into an NFL receiver
its not even close to similar.
You realize that if Mark Sanchez had gone back for his senior year, Matt Barkley would have ‘lost the starting QB job’ as well. It happens. Joe Flacco lost the starting QB job at Pitt to Tyler Palko, the difference is he transferred. Tannehill stayed with his team, and waited his turn.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 23, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
but here is the thing, Steve...
neither Sanchez, nor Flacco were or are Franchise QB’s. They are “good”, third tier talents. Neither was predicted to be “The Man”. And since they fit your bill, I believe if we select Tannehill, the best we could expect would be what these guys have provided (please keep in mind, they have two of the best defenses in the league, so think before you respond). The chances are better he won’t even be as good as them.
That is not what I am looking for in our teams leader.
Sanchez and good should never be used in the same statement unless a 'not' is included
ignoring that…I think Tannehill can be a Flacco, I also believe he has the potential to be great as well.And you really won’t do much better than that.
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Is it really that clear on Tannehill?
I can’t agree with Steveo’s general (“no problem”) point. When you badly need a top QB, and one or more of the best prospects disappear, that’s a problem. I’ve been rather confident because there seemed to be only about four teams that badly needed a QB (enough to use a first round pick), and there appeared to be at least four good ones left. Now there appear to be only one to three top ones left, and a couple of QB-needy teams might pick ahead of us. Simple supply/demand – and supply has gone down. If some team had taken Luck and Barkley, we could have gotten RG3, etc. But it’s not the end of the world. There are others, even Luck (since Irsay says Peyton is still the man).
my point was we weren't going to get Barkley regardless as someone else would have taken him
and Landry Jones isn’t a viable option for the Skins.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 23, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
"Is it really that clear on Tannehill?" or Landry Jones?
1) http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2012_QB — #5 prospect before Barkley said he was returning to USC.
2) RGIII – Scouts Inc Grade – 94 – http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft; Ryan Tannehill – 88 up; Landry Jones – 92 down; Nick Foles – 85 up ; Brandon Weeden – 77 nc
3) National Football Post – Tannehill ranked 5th – http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_big_board_rankings.html
scouting report is linked.
4) http://www.drafttek.com/2012-NFL-Draft-Prospect-Rankings/Top-QBs.asp – Tannehill ranked 5th.
by Jefferson1935 on Dec 23, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
yeah...
his running ability is precisely what we need from our QB.
We should never, ever talk about what he runs in a 40. He is a QB. Let’s talk accuracy, read defenses, arm strength… NOT 40 yds dash.
SECOND ROUND QUARTERBACKS SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I do not want a quarterback who does not have FIRST ROUND GRADED TALENT
by jmpalomo on Dec 22, 2011 10:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
+1
See
Leaf, Ryan
Russell, JaMarcus or
Shuler, Heath
To name a few
by WestCoastHokie on Dec 23, 2011 1:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
David DeCastro in the 1st after trading down and Nick Foles in the 2nd with Levy Adcock.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 22, 2011 5:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
that wouldn't be bad either but I'll guess DeCastro is at least a top 15 pick right now
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Who is Decastro?
Never heard him mentioned as a possible first round QB before, but I’ve literally only watched 2 or 3 college games this year.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 22, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Your sarcasm is sour.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 22, 2011 5:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No sarcasm
I know next to nothing about college players. If he isn’t a national name or on Virginia Tech, I don’t know him.
I think the Virginia Tech QB is going to be a good prospect in a couple of years.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 22, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
DeCastro is a guard for the stanford cardinal, hes the top guard in this class
UKredskin wrote a post about him awhile back
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 22, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
DeCastro is the best guard prospect
and Terps was saying go Guard, QB, and OT
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ah, thank you
see, I know nothing.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 22, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Ah well he's a great Guard prospect elite Run Blocker and Good Pass Protector
He’s the Anchor on Stanford’s O-Line. My whole idea is to trade down and get an extra 2nd then go 1st-Guard/Tackle, 2nd-QB, and 2nd from trading down-Guard/Tackle.
My idea is to anchor our O-Line to fix our offensive woes then Address CB, WR, and ILB.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 22, 2011 5:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i love the idea
and i def. sweat DeCastro, I just think he’s gonna move up draft boards, esp with some of these QB’s off the market.
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If not we can wait to get our QB next year and go
And draft a CB with that extra 2nd or even a Safety.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 22, 2011 5:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I understand your reasoning, but for the love of pete, NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
They have got to have someone better than Grossman next year.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 22, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I believe Foles will be our Guy because he's exactly like Matt Schaub.
He’s in the same mold and has been working with little Talent.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 22, 2011 6:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So NOW everyone is starting to get on the Nick Foles bandwagon
I’ve been saying Foles was the guy if we get a 2nd round QB since last April.
He’s the perfect fit for our Offense and our current talent.
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
Ummmm wrong Bro. I've been preaching this for a good while.
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by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 22, 2011 10:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I remember only a couple guys saying Foles.
Tiller, maybe as one one of the others?
At any rate, Foles very accurate in the short game, which plays to our strengths (and weaknesses). He also fits Shanny’s system. So I really think he’s the pick if we go 2nd round QB. Problem is I think with the Barkley debacle, we might need to draft him late first.
Anyway we can trade from our first to the late first, pick up someones first next year, and an extra 2nd or 3rd? That would be killer…. and extra pick this year and an extra first next.
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I just don't think Foles has the mobility outside of the poscket
that our Offense needs.
Tannehill is my pick, through and through
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by Ronnie Adkins on Dec 23, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Trade back(if possible) and draft Tannehill
It has been my plan for some time now and today only makes it more realistic. Best day ever!
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This is why cheering for losses in December doesn't make sense
You just never know how things are going to shake out.
by SCSkin21 on Dec 22, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jeff, now we finally agree! good thinking
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
this is the moment where you have to be careful not to raise the value of the other quarterbacks
Before last years draft Gabbert wasn’t even a blip on the radar..the Luck said he was going back to school and then Gabbert all of a sudden is a protiental number 1 overall pick…at least that was the talk
Picking any of these quarterbacks later or trading down = good
reaching on them because they are the ones ranked befind the front runners = hoping they are good enough (they may very well be)
Jacksonville is paying for it right now
I think he addressed that, or started to
The Redskins shouldn’t tempt fate though, and look to find at least a decent free agent option as well.
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by Ronnie Adkins on Dec 22, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i do think these QB's might move up some, like say Tannehill into the late 1st, Weeden and Foles now anywhere in the 2nd
but it wouldn’t discourage me from taking them, as I think those three have good enough talent to warrant it.
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Why are we talking about second round QB's?
When we all know the Browns are going to end up with the #1 overall pick and trade it to Washington for our second round pick and the rights to Shar Pourdonesh?
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 22, 2011 5:31 PM EST reply actions
How many games has Tannehill started at QB?
I’ve read that one of the better indicators of success is number of starts in college. Doesn’t sound like he has many.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 22, 2011 5:32 PM EST reply actions
there are some different metrics out there
he def. doesn’t fit into Parcells, 3 year starter or 23 QB wins plan, but he’s also a unique case. Had Tannehill transferred then he’d have those.
While Tannehill is a bit more raw as a QB, his time as a receiver can help him as well, as he understands the routes better than most qb’s would.
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The guys on NFL Radio
Pat Kirwan especially, always talks about how the extra throws in game situations make a major impact.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 22, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
no it is obviously one of the things that holds him back
but I wouldn’t write him off either. I’m real interested to see how he does Senior Bowl week.
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at least it wasn't a post about trading up for luck.
This one could actually happen.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 22, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
if the rams have the pick i will write a post on the pros and cons of trading up for luck
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 22, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
almost impossible for the rams to get it.
essentially colts would have to win three in a row and the vikings win one of two.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 22, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Tyler Wilson
Didn’t know there was even a possibility of him coming out. If he does, I want him. Trade up if we have to.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
i'm purely speculating there
similar how Sanchez came out in 2009 when Bradford went back to school.
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Aw man
Don’t do that to me. I was already ordering my jersey.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
haha
I wouldn’t say it is impossible. If Wilson has a great bowl game, but Griffin and Jones also go back, he could figure this is his best chance, as next year he’ll have to deal with Bray and Murray as well, not to mention any other seniors who rise.
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the little guyfrom wisconsin...he is a project
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
Wilson is basically a lock to play baseball
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Stevo, With Barkley now gone and its looking like we will dreft around 10
what do you think we would get if we traded down to 20-25 in the drft?
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Peyton Manning
Trade every pick we have to the Colts and get #18. You know thats what Dannny and Shanny really want to do.
Teams won't have to trade for him
He’s got a $28 million bonus due before he can be traded. All he has to do is refuse to move it, and the colts will have to make him a free agent or pay $28 million to the guy they just replaced instead of improving the team around him.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 22, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Well i said 2 weeks ago he was
becomming a realistic option, especially if he became a FA. Who would you want starting next year; manning or Tannehill?
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
You're statement
Contradicts itself. If Manning becomes a free agent, that means he can choose which team he wants to play for. He ain’t choosing us. If…IF Manning were to become a free agent, there would be teams actually in contention bidding for his services. For one, I think the 49ers would join the bidding. They’re a much more likely destination than us.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Yeah if you are a 36 year old QB looking to get a few more rings then SF is the place for you
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by Jeff Bernard on Dec 22, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Is anyone still going to tell us all about the Kalil and Bakley pact?
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Barkley's an oath breaker!!
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Is Bradford a realistic option?
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by SpartanFS47 on Dec 22, 2011 6:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
no not at all
ignoring the fact that the chances the Rams get the top pick are extremely slim, he’d cost at least 2 first rounders to acquire.
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Theres some Rams fans clamoring for RG3
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by SpartanFS47 on Dec 22, 2011 6:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
ya, the stupid ones
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
doesnt Tannehil like to throw INTs ?
'' If we score , we might win . If they dont score , We will win '' Willis White
Dosent Grossman?
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by SpartanFS47 on Dec 22, 2011 6:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sure does but I damn sure don't want to bring in another player that likes to throw the ball to the other team.
'' If we score , we might win . If they dont score , We will win '' Willis White
Can Tannehil throw to passes on one play like Grossman?
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 22, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
no one has that skill level
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* two
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 22, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
he threw 14 INT's this year, not great, but it isn't horrible either
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If they all stay
We can live another year with Grossman. I don’t want to spend a high value on a lesser talent.
Trade back out of the first round entirely and grab an extra 4 or 5 picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and another 1st rounder next year. Get 3 OL, a CB and an ILB in the 2nd and 3rd rounds with those picks.
Grossman has been playing at a high enough level to win games lately. I think he’s found his groove. I’m not defending Grossman, but if the pressure stays off him and he’s not sacked as often that will cut down hard on the sack/fumbles as well and the hurried INTs off his back foot. We might even see a few games without a turnover, if our receivers don’t toss it to opposing linebackers.
This would set up a great environment for a rookie QB next year to step into.
That QB’s name is Aaron Murray.
While I do think Murray and Bray are likely to come out
this could be a domino effect if Griffin and Jones goes back. Murray and bray might stay in till 2014
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If all these guys stay then yes
it will push back murray and bray
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
This is the funniest statement I've seen all year
We might even see a few games without a turnover,
I might cry.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 22, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
I thought someone might appreciate that.
But yeah if we get all the pieces I mentioned we’re looking at 10-6.
Not with Grossmam
At QB. Ain’t happening. You also have to account for the fact that Grossman will probably get hurt. Are we gonna bring Beck back too?
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
if grossman had started all season
we’d be in the hunt for a playoff spot. Now imagine if we had 5 new pieces on offense and 3 new pieces on Defense, not including the return of Jarvis Jenkins and Tim Hightower, and tell me we won’t be good enough to win 10 games.
ugh
I can’t stand the thought of another year of crappy QB play.
btw anyone seen that formula that considers starts and completion % the best indicators of future NFL success? Now, I know he played in a s****y conference, but after the next bowl game, Moore of Boise State will have 53 starts and a completion % near 70. I don’t know where he’s expected to fall but would he be worth considering in rounds 3-5?
I would not at all be surprised if Kellen Moore turns out to be one of the best from this class
Yes, I said it!
I would. That guy has a noodle for an arm and can’t see above his oline. Good college qb, no skills for the pros. He might as well be Ty and Koy Detmer’s brother.
by Art Vandalay on Dec 22, 2011 10:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Only if we can
Steal from baseball, and use a ’quarterback’s mound’. Dunno what that would do to the two minute offense though.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
if the top QBs are out of the question for us come draft day
i think our best bet would be to bulk up our offensive line and receiving corp in this draft…give whoever is under center (presumably grossman) as much talent level around him to make his job easier…i think with better protection and with receivers who can enlarge a throwing window by means of their size/wingspan then it’ll make the QB’s job easier
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*
Griffin will come out
Jones… I’m not sure. Tanneheill just moved up to the first round. At this point I’m not surw what skins should do. I hate to say it….2013 may be the year
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
I dont see how Griffin doesnt come out
Hes riding a great season, Heisman trophy and Barkley is now staying in school.
Yep, but we are not getting him
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
Because
Griffin wants to compete in the London Olympics, start in law school, maybe do something better that this year at Baylor. Who knows but he seems like a serious guy who has more on his plate than the NFL.
by DudleyDoright on Dec 23, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
Tannehill has been the 4th QB on many draft boards.
Including this guy.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
I have seen him as high as 14th in the first round
but most folks had him in the 2nd. I think with barkley staying he is going in the 1st round
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
He'll move up to the 3rd QB taken.
I could easily see him going in the 20’s.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
2013 is no better options...
given we may end up with a lower 1st rd. pick next year. It sounds so easy to say, “We’ll get our guy next year.” I don’t see that, we are going to be too low to have a chance at one of them top guys, unless we completely collapse, costing Shanny his job and leaving our fan base still angry, with no possibility for playoff chances.
How is that exciting?
I still think we need to at least explore a trade for Luck
I have heard the “kings ransom” beliefs on the value of that first pick from everyone. With respect to everyones opinion I dont see it ending up being that high. I heard Charlie Casserly on the radio this morning and he said that the pick value chart that the GM’s use would call for your 1st and 2nd this year and a 1st next year to move up that pick providing that you are already in the top 10. Safe to say that we will be somewhere in the 7 or 8 range. If the bounty for the 1st pick is too much I would suggest the exact same strategy as last year and stockpile picks, hopefully pushing guys like Banks, Stallworth and Beck off of the roster
Won't happen, and if it does
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I'd explore it to find out the asking price
you can always walk away if the price is too high
With the needs of this team
Why on earth would we give up two firsts and a second, even spread out over two years?
by DudleyDoright on Dec 23, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
because the HC wants to keep his job
Shanahan needs to keep his job and we all know Snyder is not a patient owner. Shanahan has already had some disappointing seasons – remember the words “rebuilding” weren’t allowed so you can’t use that excuse with Snyder (even though it is the truth).
It’s win or move on for any HC in the NFL.
He's going to keep his job
(A) becasue of his contract and what it would cost Snyder to unload him.
(B) because Snyder knows the culture of the Skins has to change if he wants a championship and a contender for one. No more fantasy football.
© because he can draft a good QB prospect in the lower rounds and go for his franchise next year if necessary.
by DudleyDoright on Dec 23, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
It's not certain
A) Snyder has fied plenty of other coaches who had contracts. In a way it’s what he does.
B) Does he? I’m not convinced yet. He has given Shanahan 2 years but then Zorn had that long too. This is still unknown or do you know Snyder personally?
C) What is better about drafting a QB next year?
Because
(A) Shanny’s contract is guarenteed and he told Snyder that it’s going to take five years and a GM.
(B) you have to go by his actions over the last two seasons. He’s stayed out of the way and I believe he will continue to do so.
( C) Barkley and RGIII will be seniors. The Skins will have added a lot of new and necessary parts this season. They can trade up next year but get an interim QB this year either through the draft or FA.
by DudleyDoright on Dec 23, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I hope you're right
but I’m not believing it until I’ve seen it. I just don’t trust Snyder.
why not use our first 2 picks on
Wr ol and get qb next year. I don’t want to waste a 2nd rounder on a average qb
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by jbh1190 on Dec 22, 2011 7:26 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Its as simple as this
1)try to trade down and pick decastro. Our guards are getting pushed around in the run game. Decastro’s specialty is this and plays with an edge. This allows helu to turn those 3 yard inside runs into 7+ gains. Pick foles or tannehill in the second.
2)trade down multiple times to the very end of the 1st round say maybe 25-32 range possibly picking up an extra second and third. Ensuring yourself that you can get foles or tannehill. Upgrade your line with next two picks or go oline/cb either or. Maybe sprinkle in a dynamic playmaker in the 2nd like lamichael james.
3)Trade 1st for 1st next year and an extra 2 and 3rd this year. Use these picks again for oline/cb/bpa. If all these guys stay another year you can pick from multiple 1st qb options
continued
4)Under no cicumstance do we trade up for Luck or Peyton. Luck will not be available.
5)Take bpa available early rounds, pick a game manager like kirk cousins in the 3rd or 4th and pick another guy to develop like ryan lindley.
)Build around rex for 2 more years and pick developmetal guy late. (Lindley, Harnish, Austin Davis maybe.)
by davetrembling on Dec 22, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
OK, a couple of problems here
First off, DeCastro is going top 15. so trading back eliminates the possibility of getting him.
If you want a 1st round pick next year we’re looking at trading the 6th or 7th pick for a very late first, 2nd, and 4th, and a first next year, at the very most. Think the Atlanta/Cleveland trade last draft, although we’d likely be trading into the 30th pick or so. Maybe then we can trade back once more, out of the first round entirely to pick up another 3rd or 4th, depending on how late the picks are. Of course, the first trade is unlikely to begin with.
I think you could get more than that
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1st option
slight trade back. grab decastro. And getting value for your 1st rounder all depends on how bad somebody wants to pay fo it.
by davetrembling on Dec 22, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
as long as we are not stuck with only The Dragon and the Mormon next year
"You can build a million bridges, suck one dick, you're not a bridgebuilder you are a cocksucker." - - Woody Harrelson
while the loss of QB's does hurt the trade up department
In the last 3 drafts there have been 16 trade ups in the first round, and only 4 have involved QB’s.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 23, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
This
Build around Rex for 2 more years
Statement does not compute. Its like saying you want to restore an ’89 Chevy Celebrity. Just makes no sense.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
We will be picking even further back next year...
Its never going to be given to us with this team and shanny at the helm, if they see a QB they want, they are going to have to go and get him because no one is dropping to us this year and def not next
amen!
But what do we do. I say go for Ashton Jeffery this year in 1 go ol in 2 trade back and fill as many holes as you can and then trade up next year for our qb.
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by jbh1190 on Dec 22, 2011 7:43 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
If we happen to trade up, I would hope it would be for Matt Kalil only.
It’s going to take more then one year to fix this mess, no matter who we draft.
Does anyone know who get the first pick
if the Colts, Rams, and Vikings all end up with a 2-14 record? Still Colts?
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sorry, colts as of today
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I thought if colts won tonight
And everyone lost out then I’d be rams
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by jbh1190 on Dec 22, 2011 8:03 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Why not Flynn?
Pluses:
1. He’s only a “backup” now because Aaron Rogers is the starter
2. He has real NFL experience and performed well in every opportunity he’s had
3. Has a tremendous upside
4. Doesn’t cost any draft picks
5. Allows us to trade down for more picks and fill more holes
Minuses:
1. ????
He's a system guy.
As in he’s a product of the system. ie Scott Mitchell, AJ Feely, Matt Cassell, Kevin Kolb. BTW, what is so impressive about his career 68.1 QB rating and his 3 TDs and 4 INTs?
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
the stats on misleading
src: http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/11443/matt-flynn
He did will in 2010 (the only year with significant playing time) with an 82 rating (not bad for a guy who doesn’t get many reps). His system isn’t that different from the Redskins system as it also has west coast roots.
This year he’s thrown a total of 5 passes & completed 2 of them. For a rating of 27, which doesn’t do well for his average.
And remember he doesn’t get much reps in GB as he’s sitting behind Aaron rogers. He’s likely to get better with reps and he’s better than what we’ve got. Remember he’s young and he’s got upside… Rex is who we thought he was.
Rex is terrible but that's besides the point.
I go back to watching Flynn at LSU and even though he was surrounded by superior talent he was…meh.
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Just like...
Cam Newton :)
You see what I did there?
Yes I see what you did there.
Made a dumbass comment. Cam Newton made the SEC his bitch and was a man among boys.
Matt Flynn was just a hollow jersey that threw a ball.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Dec 22, 2011 8:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
by made sec his bitch do you mean
Make it give him money? Like he’s a pimp?
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by jbh1190 on Dec 22, 2011 8:54 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
He was undefeated and had one of the best seasons ever for a college QB.
All of that in the best college football conference in the country.
Yes he laid a huge pimp slap and took the money.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Dec 22, 2011 9:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I did
So I say “why not go with Matt Flynn” and back it up a few points. I get called out for the “upside” one because it is cliche. That’s fair. But then other points get refuted with more cliche crap that those bone heads at ESPN say all week long which is just weak sauce.
I don’t really care if the Redskins pick up Matt Flynn in free agency. I do think it is worth looking into and possibly even drafting another QB in the draft. I don’t want the skins to give up the house for any QB because back in the day many of the same dudes who are saying Andrew Luck is a can’t miss QB in the draft said the same shit about Heath Shuler.
I haven’t followed Matt Flynn in college, I didn’t even know he played for LSU. I don’t really have a stake in the game. I just believe it is worth a consideration as it wouldn’t be too costly and doesn’t prevent us from picking up another QB in the draft if the opportunity arises.
by Mr.Chomper on Dec 22, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't read your manifesto, but Cam Newton was amazing in college, Matt Flynn was just some dude.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Dec 22, 2011 9:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Manifesto
Nice. I like it. gonna keep it in my back pocket for a rainy day.
Many people on HH are wanting to pick up Matt Flynn as a FA because he has played in G.B. & has a S.B. ring
but take a look at his stats, he has been less than impressive. This season he has 5 att.s for 2 comp.s with a 1 int. for a passer rating of 27.5. He has a career passing rating of 68.1, 3 TDs & 4 int.s (sounds like someone we know all to well doesn’t it??) He had a very good game against the Patriots (which they lost) & that’s about the extent of his success.
Changed your mind ??
Oh and I’m not a GM, so I don’t know what FA QB would be best.
But I do have common sense, so I know that trading everything for Luck has a high chance of failure
by StephanHart on Dec 21, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Not at all
I still dont know which FA QB would be best, and I am still sure that trading up for luck would be a huge mistake
I am not getting into the Luck argument with you again
Last night you could not name a FA QB that you liked because you aren’t a gm, tonight you seem to be advocating for Matt Flynn…
It's not just some meaningless snaps in his rookie year
Rodgers was very well thought of coming out of college, went in the 1st rd. & was considered for the #1 pick. Flynn was a 7th rd. pick who could just as easily been an UDFA. Look at what he has actually accomplished on a football field before campaigning for the guy.
Nobody
Said Shuler was the best prospect in 20 years. They said he was a top five pick, yeah, but not like Luck. Some people (me, for one) thought the Skins should pick Dilfer.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Prospect is meaningless
Saying that Luck is the best prospect is pure hype and really meaningless. Having “prospect” in the sentance means it is still a great unknown. So I guess he’s a better unknown than the other unknowns…
Like Alex Smith was a better prospect than Aaron Rogers.
Just sayin'
If the Skins had drafted Smith and he played the way he has at SF prior to Harbaugh arriving he’s be packing groceries somewhere. The Skins would have hounded him out of FedEx. I agree that while everybody is stepping all over their tounges for Luck he’s still got to prove he can play in the NFL, same as everybody else. If I had to draft a QB late I’d take Moore ahead of all these half unknowns people are speculating we should draft. I don’t give a damn about his height or who he’s played. Come the bowl season he’s kicked the ass of everybody he’s played and having a record of 50-3 career says winner.
by DudleyDoright on Dec 23, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Now that Barkley is staying
I’ d be ok with trying out flynn, but the minuses are:
1. upside? explain the upside? untested does not equal upside
2. not sure he preformed that well in teh 2 games he played since GB lost both games
3. let face it, he was a 7th round pick
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Upside
Upside is a sexy QB buzzword, I just wanted to use it and be a baddass!
BTW Aaron Rogers before any significant playing time (2005 & 2006) had QB ratings of 39 and 48 resectively so if we want to play the QB rating game we can do that.
haha I like the first part
the second part…you are comparing a 1st round pick a 7th round pick. Rodgers through the ball 30 times in 2 yrs…sorry, but its sort like saying Compton has not thrown any int since he has been a redskin so lets go with him
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I get it
and agree… But remember Brady was taken in the 6th round (diamond in the rough I know).
One of my few relavent points was…. Flynn played pretty well in 2010 for a guy who doesn’t get many reps. Almost pulled it out against the Patriots in one of the few non-Redskins games I watched.
We have absolutely 0 knowledge of what these college guys will do in a real NFL game, will they be a rockstar like Cam Newton or just crap their pants like Blaine Gabbert?
It would suck to draft a pants-crapper.
GrossBeck
The Sex Cannon was a first round pick. The Mormon Mullet was a second round pick. So they must be awesome, right?
Who cares what round someone got drafted in?
by Art Vandalay on Dec 22, 2011 10:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just about every QB named in your post sucks
I like Barkley and RG3 and thats about it. I need to evaluate Tyler Wilson a bit more so the jury is still out on him. Matt Flynn…another backup QB bust??? Cassel and Kolb ring a bell. Kiper just said Kellen Moore has 1st round talent but his size is holding gim back so give me the young 1st round talented kid made of feathers instead of the fossil that RUNS A SPREAD and benefits from playing with Blackmon and is overrated and shreds horrible big 12 defenses. I’m on the late round QB bandwagon this year…give me Russell Wilson(if he wants to give the NFL a chance) or Kellen Moore. The first pick will either be a WR or QB but I hope we trade back and draft Decastro, Osemele, Josh Chapman, or Alson (2 or 3 of the 4 players named)
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by Parks Smith on Dec 22, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
we agree on a lot and disagree on a lot
But yeah a qb taken in 1st 3 rounds this year is a wasted pick
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by jbh1190 on Dec 22, 2011 8:50 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Why?
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because it'll be a project and I rather not waste picks on a project qb and get a starting linemen / wr / mickle cb
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by jbh1190 on Dec 22, 2011 8:53 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
So what makes a OL, WR, or mickle CB not a project?
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the fact that you can generally find them easier in the later rounds than good qbs
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by jbh1190 on Dec 22, 2011 8:58 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
according to what?
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the fact that there not tier 1 qbs. I'm not playing your game right now of 10000000 questions yet you don't know the answers yourself.
The drop off as I said this morning from tier 1 to tier 2 qbs is huge. I’d rather fill other needs and move up next year that’s it.
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by jbh1190 on Dec 22, 2011 9:09 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
JBH don't bother. Most sane people know what you are saying
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hahaha I know parks just wants to hear but I don't have time to play daddy why's the sky blue and then have him fight every answer
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by jbh1190 on Dec 22, 2011 9:12 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I apologize for asking why taking a QB in the 1st 3 rounds is a wasted picks.
I mistakenly thought this was a place for discussion
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well for one thing
he won’t be ready this year. By the time he is ready, first day starters like Barkley will be entering the draft. So you’ve spent a high pick on a lesser talent who won’t start anyway, and you either waste a pick (give the QB the Clausen treatment) or stick with yet another mediocre/project QB.
are we sure Barkley will be a day one starter? The fact is we don't know
Barkley could go back and be exposed like Locker, or he could firm up his draft status.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 22, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Worked for the Chargers...
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how do we know for sure they are first tier?
If they are heading back to school part of that shows that they wanted to refine their game, and not be guys who had one great year
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 22, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
bingo... but don't waste this guys time with questions
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TIME OUT!!!!
Stevo, to be clear, after all you have been saying about rookie QB needing to sit a year on the bench before he is ready (I’m sorry a QB on the bench = project) when and a rookie CB, OL , WR can contibute the first game? come on
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I don't understand...what did I say that contradicts that?
all i’m saying is we really don’t know how good barkley is as a prospect yet. I still believe no QB but Luck and Weeden can start day one (or early on). CB’s, OL, WR and every other position is far different than QB, so yes they are more apt to start and play well early.
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OK- thread confusion on my part- my bad
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plenty of 2nd, 3rd and 4th tier qb's have had good to great careers
just as plenty 1st tier QB’s have fallen flat on their face
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 22, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know they have
And I’ll accept any decision shanallen makes. But I’d rather not get a project qb in the 2nd get a starter there and a project later. That way if he busts it’s not a huge deal we can grab a qb with our 1 next year.
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by jbh1190 on Dec 22, 2011 9:15 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
We said that last year...
& next year, half of these can’t miss, next great thing QBs will be exposed & we will see that they have flaws sooooo….we say…
we can grab a qb with our 1 next year.
18 of the last 20 SB....
elite, franchise QBs.
We are not looking for “good”. I have been watching that for the last 20 yrs. We have had some “good” QBs here (Johnson, Campbell…) but it has done us no good to have these types.
okay but again i'll say that they don't have to be first rounders
of the guys you’ve mentioned, Warner, Brady, Brees, were elite and non first rounders. Just b/c a Tannehill isn’t that day one, doesn’t mean he won’t be in the future. In fact in terms of becoming an elite franchise QB Tannehill probably has a better chance than Barkley.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 23, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
again, I am tired of saying the same thing over and over...
Warner was bagging groceries, then Arena League. It is by sheer LUCK, that Trent Green got hurt and he came in and lit it up. Brady was a weak, sorry excuse for a draftable QB. No one knew. And if Bledsoe does not get hurt, we would never have known.
I am so sick of the “blind luck falling in to our laps” stratagy. That can never be counted on. If you are a team with a story such as these, Count Your Blessings, Good For You. We have to select guys our FO believes is going to be starters, elite, whatever. Not " hey, let’s see what happens with this guy!"
you know Warner was on the team before Green got hurt right?
the point is greatness can come from everywhere and isn’t defined as necessarily a top 10, top 15 or even first round pick. You can’t say that Tannehill can’t be that guy, he’s gotten a lot of high marks from scouts, and his upside is extremely high. Sure his situation knocks him down but guess what the same thing happened with Brady (losing out the starting job) or others.
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yes, I know Warner was on the team...
I also know he didn’t beat out Green.
Let’s be realistic. He was way behind the big 3. Do not take this out of context. Just because Barkley changed the scenario, does not elevate his talents. He was projected lower for a reason.
well it kinda can
Tannehill will have the Senior bowl something Griffin or Jones won’t have if they come out, and that could propel Tannehill higher.
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so what you are saying is...
due to the change in availability, he is now a more worthy selection. You cannot be serious. Reconsider your thought process here. Let’s establish that he is NOT 1st rd. talent (nor 2nd). He is moving up because there are fewer QBs available. His moving up means he is a better QB? NO. And I can’t believe you think that, for real. Where a guy is projected to be selected is not always an indicator of his talent. This may explain why many of the QBs selected in the last 10 yrs. have failed. Desperate teams overreaching for guys.
If we select Tannehill, I will cross my fingers and hope he develops the way you theorize. I would just not be so optomistic.
and to be truthful...
I am not looking for the next Brady. That is like winning the lottery (almost impossible). I am looking for the next Manning, Aikman, Elway.
even before Barkley went back there was only one guy that fits that bill
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Since 2000
More superbowls have been won by QB’s who weren’t 1st rounders than by QB’s who were. (p.s. one of those 1st rounders was Trent Dilfer)
Your QB does not need to be a 1st rounder. It isn’t ‘luck’ it is having a good team for someone to come to and fit with.
Since 2000????
Brady accounts for 3 of the those trophies. (See my responses posted earlier about Brady). Brees was EARLY 2nd (1st rd talent who slipped into the 2nd). This response you provide holds no water.
Rodgers, Manning brothers, Ben = 1st rd picks.
so Brees is allowed to 'slip' in the 2nd round but Tannehill isn't?
its far too simplistic to say that these QB’s are great, but don’t mention Brady’s draft status b/c he’s the exception, or Brees being a 1st round talent (people say the same about Favre and its not true). As much as Brady is an exception, the same can be said for Manning. Look how many QB’s have been taken top overall since Manning, none are on his level. In fact the best 1st round QB’s since Manning are Roethlisberger 11th, and Rodgers 24th. Luck could join those ranks, but my point is you can’t base it on one sole criteria.
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it nice to see you actually admitting the true potential of Luck...
I was not excusing Brees slipping. My point was, he was 1st rd talent who slipped, barely, into the 2nd. I don’t agree with your assessment that Tannehill is a 2nd rd talent (or 1st rd who has the potential to slip into the second). He is a lower round potential, who now is moving up, not due to his talent, but the lack of top QB options.
wish we had any luck at all
really sucks that both beck and grossmen made it threw pre season without getting hurt huh? we might have to go all out to draft luck just so we can finaly have some!!
All QB's are projects
Look even Barkley didn’t think he was ready, yet he is miracle answer?
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 22, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Matt Ryan and Cam Newton were good right out of the box.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Dec 22, 2011 9:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kalil makes all the calls for Newton and identifies the mike.
He’s still had a very good season, but he’s still a project. He needs to become a more total football player and learn how to win in this league.
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He can win. The Panthers offense is exactly the same as last year only Newton is the QB.
They went from horrible to 5th best offense (I think.) The Panthers losing falls on their horrible defense.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Dec 22, 2011 9:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not sure how it's the same offense when they have 7 new starters on offense?
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And a new coordinator and head coach
Irony (n.) -Michael Westbrook as the hero on Bully Beatdown.
by Jim America on Dec 22, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
yeah b/c the coaching change
the health of DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart and Steve Smith have nothing to do with it at all. Newton has an impact, but there are other factors, including the additions of Schockey and Olsen to the passing game.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 22, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Naane was a solid pick up also
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all i heard when we plyed them was how bad their o-line was
then i watched the game and it looked like they were the ones that replaced the great wall of china
Kalil on Newton during camp
"One of the perceptions with Cam was that Auburn’s offense was too simplistic and he was going to struggle with the NFL playbook,’’ Kalil said. "Just listening to him out there, talking to (quarterbacks) coach (Mike) Shula or asking me or other guys questions, he really has gotten into the playbook and he knows what he’s doing.’’
The kid is going to throw for 4,000+ yards and score over 30tds in his rookie year, if that’s a project we should all be so lucky to draft one
I agree, but the numbers wouldn't be the same here. Rivera has tailored his offense to Newton and ran something similar to Auburn.
The Panthers look at Newton as the initial piece of puzzle, while the Skins look at their QB as the final piece of the puzzle. Newton has been given no real responsibility yet, and will need to progress when he does.
He certainly has had an incredible year though
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If he keeps getting hit like London fletcher Hit him
he’ll have a very short career as well. He does play with some reckless abandon at times. Needs to protect his body more.
by davetrembling on Dec 22, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
the trouble i have with that theory is it makes it sound as if
we can have success with tanehill as our day1 starter so long as we have an olineman to do everything for him. I find it hard to fathom that Newton “has no real responsibilities” over the course of the Panthers being one of the league’s top offense and him having a record setting season. Ryan Kalil is not with the 3 qb’s and Shula watching film for 30hrs a week is what I’m saying
When you see Newton call an audible or indentify the MIKE then please notify me
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But I do see him dropping bombs and scoring TDs...which is all that really matters.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Dec 22, 2011 9:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The source? Have you watched a Panthers game?
He’s certainly getting more freedom now as he GROWS, as the Panthers beat reporter is pointing out:
Establishing a rookie QB record with nine rushing TDs, Cam Newton , who is getting more freedom to call audibles, showed poise on his second rushing TD Sunday. Noticing the Lions’ interior DL were spread wide, Newton simply followed C Ryan Kalil. On his growing audible responsibilities, Newton said Wednesday: "It’s all gameplan."
Are you Cam’s mom or something?
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by Parks Smith on Dec 22, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Is Cam's mom the only person looking for accuracy?
His second touchdown run on Sunday against the Lions was a thing of beauty. Newton changed the play at the line of scrimmage, moving into audible which called for a quarterback keeper.
The result was a perfectly executed 6-yard run.
"You can’t do that every play because of the play clock," Newton said. "But we have it in each and every week."
Newton said he normally has two calls he can with in the huddle, one of them normally being a safer play call in case he doesn’t like the look of the defense. This past week against Detroit, Newton said he audibled more than usual.
He said he’s getting more comfortable than ever with changing plays, even if it means calling his own number.
Sure you werent just assuming Netwon couldnt possibly run the offense without Kalil’s help? Sure sounds like he is running an NFL offense ranked towards the top of the league and he is a rookie
Like I said, he's getting more freedom b/c he's progressing
Put your pitchfork down Mrs. Newton
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by Parks Smith on Dec 22, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
actually what you said is he "has been given no real responsibility"
at any rate, all Ms.Newton is trying to say is that we dont have to shit ourselves over the prospect of a rookie qb starting next year. It can work just fine
I never said it wouldn't work fine, I was just conveying that Newton was still a project
Pop in your monistat Mrs. Newton
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by Parks Smith on Dec 22, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
two play calls isn't audibling in the sense of what the big boys do
it’s nice progress but lets not make it like he’s dissecting defenses
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 22, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well at least we can put to be the nonsense
about ryan kalil running the offense anyway
We can? He still makes a high percentage of the line adjustments, audibles, and identifies the MIKE
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but the greater point is that
one of the top offenses in the entire league is apparently running on either/or play calls and basic audibles because the guy under center is talented. So let’s just get the most talented rookie qb we can in here and see what he can do…
that is still faulty logic, b/c most rookies can't do that
and they don’t have Newton’s athletic ability to make plays even if they are incapable to do so with their arm
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 22, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah but
I’d sure as hell like to have that kinda “project”.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Ryan was surrounded by talent when the Falcons drafted him, close to the situation with the Steelers and Roethlisberger
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By talent do you mean a team that was so bad they had the 3rd pick?
That’s not a talented team.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Dec 22, 2011 9:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
No I think he means a team with a solid o-line in place, that added a pro bowl RB in Michael Turner.
Roddy White emerging didn’t hurt either
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did the same team play in 2008?
Last I checked they got a new Head Coach, they added Michael Turner. Tyson Clabo, and Harvey Dahl became 16 game starters and Justin Blalock got another year under his belt. Not to mention some improvements on defense as well.
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dont you think you might be downplaying Ryan's talent and ability a little?
In what everyone agrees is now a qb league, why credit basically everyone but the qb just because he was a rookie?
i'm not knocking Ryan, I'm just saying he had plenty help
something that seems to be necessary for rookie QB’s to succeed in this league.
Why should Ryan get all the credit when quite a few guys are obviously responsible?
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 22, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
But you say it like Ryan was dropped into the lineup of the 85 Bears.
The year before that team was horrid. Roethlisberger stepped into a pretty damn good situation, but Ryan was good from day one. He was not a project.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Dec 22, 2011 9:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Look at Ryan's gamelogs from 2008 and tell me he was good from day one.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RyanMa00/gamelog/2008/
You can be a good game manager and still be a QB in need of progression. Ryan and Flacco are perfect examples
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wasn't his very first NFL pass like a 60+ yard TD strike?
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Dec 22, 2011 9:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
ok...?
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I'm saying YES he was good from day one.
He’s not breaking any of Brady or Marino’s records out of the gate, but a good QB he is.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Dec 22, 2011 9:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I definitely agree, but I also think he was put into a very good situation
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And I think the situation Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen have set up is ideal for a young QB.
The running game will be better (already improving) and the defense is solid enough to protect most leads.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Dec 22, 2011 9:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree, but to iH8's point if Rex can win 5+ games with this make shift line
then a rookie QB shouldn’t be in too bad a shape
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Rex is 5-7 this season
add 3 pieces to the offensive line, a returning Hankerson, Licht, and Hightower, and a few more pieces to the Defense and you have a pretty solid team, which will be experienced enough for a rookie QB to step in next year. I’d wager we go 10-6 next season if Shanahan forgoes a QB and adds more pieces.
by TheDeepBall on Dec 22, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Cool, injuries will happen next year also, sorry to bust your bubble
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by Parks Smith on Dec 22, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Rex isn't a given to come back either
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by Parks Smith on Dec 22, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
He's a FA and purposely signed a 1 year deal
Even though we offered him a multi-year deal
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by Parks Smith on Dec 22, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
its a decent team and its improving
but we aren’t on the talent level you typically associate with when rookie QB’s succeed
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 22, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely
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I thought all the rage around hogs haven was to get an "elite" QB.
People have been jumping down other people’s throats for saying maybe the skins should wait until the 2nd and take Tannehill or Foles. Now suddenly everyone’s talking about them like they’ll be just as good. The fact that their draft stock has just improved doesn’t make them any better.
I just want a halfway decent QB.
Hell I’d love to have Andy Dalton.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Dec 22, 2011 9:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
+1
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I thought you were among those against Tannehill, Foles, Weeden?
that is the same tier of QB as Dalton
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 22, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Who's talking about
An “Elite QB”? We have had one…ONE good quarterback here in twenty years. I’d be ECSTATIC with good.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
+1
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Who was the one?
Brunell?
Irony (n.) -Michael Westbrook as the hero on Bully Beatdown.
by Jim America on Dec 22, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Not hardly
Brad Johnson
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Agreed.
And Danny-boy chased him out! That one still hurts.
It would be nice to have a qb that is good enough to hold down the position for more than 1 to 2 years. When is the last time we had a qb that consistently started for more than 1 or 2 years? Joey T?
My give a damn broke.
by davesomethin on Dec 23, 2011 9:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not quite
Obviously, there was Frerotten. But if you’re talking ABOVE AVERAGE, there was Rypien for 4 or 5 years.
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nah... brad johnson is a trader and a cheater
when he muffed that fg then picked up the ball and acted like he never threw a pass before i hated his guts ever since.. then what made it look really funny the next year the team he helps beat us he goes to them and helps them win a superbowl. i dont want any1 ever say he was a good qb for this team!
Ah yes
You’re right of course, but I have blocked out his one good year due to the traumatic events that followed.
Irony (n.) -Michael Westbrook as the hero on Bully Beatdown.
yeah me too but
most good QBs are 1st round picks. Now maybe that means we can get a good QB without trading up, if so I’m all for that but I think we need a better QB than Alex Smith.
Like Roethlisberger Ryan had a good situation, it might not have been as good as big Ben's but it was good
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 22, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Tyler Wilson
Is a SUPERSTAR!!
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Better than the Arkansas Leprechaun from last year
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I dunno
But Tyler Wilson is the first college QB I have ever actually followed. I like him, therefor he’s good.
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he's solid, I agree
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Tyler Wilson
gun slingin stud. not afraid to stick in the pocket neither. can take the hit while making the big play.
by davetrembling on Dec 22, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
With Barkley going back..
I’d still put Tyler Bray and CJ Wilson ahead of Bark. He made a terrible decision to go back, he can only hurt his draft status.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
I'm pretty sure Matt Turk punts for every AFC South team
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First of all, you don't pick a guard in round 1...
We’ll be sitting somewhere around the 10-hole. We stay put and pick Blackmon- that monster receiver from OK State if he is still around. This allows Moss to move to the slot and the other guys can fight it out for #2. If that doesn’t happen, we do the best player available. We’ve got some extra picks this year- depending how round two goes, we can pick up Foles and maybe an offensive lineman.
This isn’t a bad thing. If we come out of the draft with all of our picks and a QB like Foles/Weeden/Tannehill, I’m happy. We’ve got too many holes to fill to mortgage the future on trying to get Luck or RGIII.
you could trade down an pick up an extra 2nd and 5th thern draft the guard in the late first round
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This.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 22, 2011 9:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
"This"
Can’t be your top strategy going in. There has to be a guy you want to take with the pick. Otherwise you are depending on other teams for help, and could end up getting screwed.
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Why not
If you can get Foles or Tannehill in the second. We are not getting griffin or Luck
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You're not
Getting my point. I’m not saying don’t explore it. I’m saying don’t BANK on it. First off, you have to have a trade partner. If there is nobody that warrants a move up, then you’re stuck. Also, trading back doesn’t always net you more good players. We should know that more than anyone. Trading back netted us historic names like Patrick Ramsey, Rashad Bauman, Cliff Russel ,and let’s not forget the Thomas/Davis/Kelly debacle.
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also guys like Hankerson and Helu
look Vinny blew those other drafts with poor picks, but that doesn’t mean it will happen again. Consistently picks 25-60 are insanely good value, considering all factors.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 22, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Vinny's not the only person
Who’s screwed up the draft. Some damned good GM’s have screwed up drafts before. But that’s not my point. My point is that 2 or 3 decent to good players are not always better than one great player. Sometimes you have to pick the guy with more potential. Going the “safe route” all the time is for losers.
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yes but only doing it one time is bad as well
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 22, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
If the Redskins waited for the next great QB class every year, we'll never get one.
Ryan Kerrigan and Trent Williams will be 40 by then.
It has to happen this year and they will be playing by week 7 or 8 at the latest.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Dec 22, 2011 9:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Got a lot better today, Bray and Murray kind of scare me though
I think Bray stems from Tennessee flat out sucking though. I like the experience that Murray has received
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I agree, people need to realize if it doesn't work then it doesn't work. We need to stop playin scared
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there's a difference between playing scared and playing smart.
We know that as soon as these QBs declare for the draft, which they will do next year, it’ll be one of the deepest QB classes in years. This year just lost almost all of the top talents at QB, so why settle for a lesser prospect?
I hear this every year... if Shanahan "plays it smart" then he may not have a job
it’ll be one of the deepest QB classes in years
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look,
we thought this year would be it until 3 of the top 5 QBs decided “fuck the NFL, I’m staying in college”. but next year they’ll be seniors, and they’ll declare. Hopefully so will some of the Juniors QBs next year.
you think Shanahan will be out of a job if we go 9-7 or 10-6 with Grossman starting? Hell no! The assumption that we’ll have a losing record with Grossman at the helm for another year is absurd. Look at how the offense has come together these last few weeks, and then imagine what happens when we can actually protect the QB, and he has targets to throw to. It would be like San Fran’s current situation, only we’d have a better offense.
That's what I heard last year...
we thought this year would be it until 3 of the top 5 QBs decided "fuck the NFL, I’m staying in college". but next year they’ll be seniors, and they’ll declare.
you think Shanahan will be out of a job if we go 9-7 or 10-6 with Grossman starting? Hell no! The assumption that we’ll have a losing record with Grossman at the helm for another year is absurd.
I’m, perhaps, the biggest Grossman supporter here, but you’re absurd and drunk on something
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by Parks Smith on Dec 22, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
What did you hear last year?
Because if I recall correctly we were expecting a 7-9 or 8-8 season, which, without the Beck debacle, we’d probably have already exceeded.
fact of the matter is that adding pieces will only make the team better.
by TheDeepBall on Dec 22, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
I heard that all the QBs staying would make 2010 the "best QB class in years!"
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by Parks Smith on Dec 22, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
2010?
you mean the draft where SIX QBs went in the top half of the first round? 5 of whom are currently starting? That wasn’t a good QB class? You’re joking.
by TheDeepBall on Dec 22, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
whoops
got confused for a moment.
What QBs other than bradford were supposed to be good in 2010? because last year was certainy one of the “best QB drafts in years.”
by TheDeepBall on Dec 22, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don't remember that many QBs going in the first round in 2010.
That was the Sam Bradford and Jimmy Clausen QB class.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Dec 22, 2011 10:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yea heard the same thing in 2011 too. Doesn't matter how many are starting but how many are actually good
Newton- good
Locker- meh?
Gabbert- bad
Ponder- meh?
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by Parks Smith on Dec 22, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Have you watched Locker play?
He has outplayed Hasselbeck in every facet of the game. Go to the Titans’ SBNation website for a moment, they’re all baffled as to why Locker isn’t starting. Some are even a little mad.
Ponder has definitely helped that passing attack, but then again his only foil is McNabb. for now I give him a rating of “Decent”. He’s made some good plays in the games I’ve watched him, we’ll see what he has first hand this Saturday.
Don’t forget Dalton, either. Although he was a second rounder. Mistakenly included him earlier.
by TheDeepBall on Dec 22, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
You're right BEST QB CLASS EVER, until this year...
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by Parks Smith on Dec 22, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
we didn't know who was declaring and who wasn't
and until we know for sure it can only be speculated. But the fact is that we know that Griffin, Barkley, and Jones will declare next year, so we can say for sure it will be a good QB class, and it will be the “best in years” if bray and Murray declare as well.
I don’t know why everything has to be qualified with you. Everybody else knows exactly what’s being said but you insist on asking “why”. It is highly annoying, stop it.
by TheDeepBall on Dec 22, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Why are you so convinced that Griffin & Jones are not coming out this year ??
by ENsDad27 on Dec 22, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
why are you so convinced they are?
I don’t know if you’ve been following these debates but they’re pretty much predicated on Jones, Griffin and Barkley all staying, or else we wouldn’t even be talking about this. do we know for sure? No. But the argument is that if they do, whether we should/should not settle on the lesser prospect now instead of waiting for them to come out. Come on man.
by TheDeepBall on Dec 22, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
huh? Barkley is the only kink so far.
I don’t know if you’ve been following these debates but they’re pretty much predicated on Jones, Griffin and Barkley all staying, or else we wouldn’t even be talking about this
Barkley: Declared
Luck: Going #1
RG3: Likely off the board before we draft
Jones: No one wants
The fact all three may declare isn’t the wrench, the problem is there is one less solid choice tonight. Everyone would of been happy with Luck, RG3, or Barkley, but now that Barkley is gone the chances of getting one of those three is seriously diminished.
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by Parks Smith on Dec 22, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
and the rumors that Robert Griffin the III and Landry Jones could soon follow
Griifin’s been pretty vocal about wanting to compete in the Olympics, etc. Jones will want to repair his draft stock before entering. I thought everyone was aware there’s a strong possiblity Griffin stays in college?
by TheDeepBall on Dec 22, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Griffin is not olympic level. This is like a bad internet meme that people keep repeating. His personal best is olympic team caliber but nowhere near medal contention. Couple that with the fact that he hasn’t run track in two years and would need to lose about 20 pounds of muscle. He is NOT going to the olympics. Case closed
Troy Aikman is the greatest announcer of all time.
by Jeff Bernard on Dec 22, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
You are taking one comment in a Post & thinking it dominates the whole Thread.
The point of the Post was that even tho Barkley is not coming out, we have plenty of options. You continue to act like Jones & Griffin are not coming out & anyone who disagrees is somehow an idiot. RG III is not going to the Olympics & will most likely declare before Jan. 15th, Jones should return to college but most likely will also declare. Stop acting like it’s impossible that either enters the NFL & try & learn some manners.
It's supply vs. demand dude.
A lot of teams needed QBs last year so there were a A LOT of reaches. This year not so much… Next year: TBD
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by Parks Smith on Dec 22, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
So
presuming some of the other QB needy teams take guys like Tannehill, Foles, and Weeden, then when Barkley finally declares there will be even fewer teams in need of a Quarterback, and we’ll have our pick of them.
That argument can work against you here.
by TheDeepBall on Dec 22, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
No it can't
You’re discussing 2nd and 3rd round prospect not Top 15. QB needy team aren’t going to feel content with later round prospects. Its a cycle dude, you don’t know who the QB needy teams are going to be and teams may wait this year also.
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by Parks Smith on Dec 22, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Oh really?
So after arguing that supply versus demand caused teams to make huge reaches for second round talents you then turn around and say that these QBs, who were graded as 2nd round talents before the big 3 decided not to enter, will not be reached for in the first round based on the need for a QB.
Does supply and demand cause teams to reach or not? make up your mind.
by TheDeepBall on Dec 22, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think the point is they don't always reach
and at the beginning of this year everyone said that if Tim Tebow succeeds, and Carson Palmer gets traded there won’t be that many QB needy teams. Well in addition to the Skins the Colts, Browns, Seahawks, and Dolphins are in that category. The Chiefs are probably considering an upgrade Well continued struggles by the Sanchez, Bradford, McCoy and Freeman could put them in the market as well (and another year of these struggles will make it a lock they look to upgrade). And if Kolb, Fitzpatrick, and Gabbert don’t have good years their teams could join the hunt as well. Now some of these guys will pan out, and some needs will be filled by some of the 2nd and 3rd round guys, but there could be plenty of teams looking in 2013.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 22, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
THINK ABOUT IT MAN.
The whole supply vs. demand argument is last year there was GREAT DEMAND so many QBs went in the first round. This year… not so much demand so team’s won’t reach for a QB, Dolphins, Skins are pretty much it after the Luck who NEED a QB, other teams can afford to wait. If other teams DEMANDED and absolutely need a QB then the 2nd and 3rd round talent certainly would drift into the 1st round, but that’s not the case this year.
Put on your thinking cap
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by Parks Smith on Dec 22, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
fantastic
steveo says there are a bunch of QB needy teams, and you say right after that that there is no demand for a QB. Gotta love it.
by TheDeepBall on Dec 22, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
yes but in my comment you'll note that most of the teams I mentioned
have question marks, not definitive holes. Maybe a Jets will play it safe and draft a Foles or Weeden, but maybe they don’t since Sanchez is such a ‘winner’. And a team like the Browns I think definitively would have taken Barkley/Griffin top 5 but might choose another year of McCoy.
My point is the two year outlook of teams needing QB’s is pretty open. So your thought that us sitting out this year means we have a clean shot at a guy in 2013 isn’t correct.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 22, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A team can be QB but still content.
Look at last year and the teams alternatives to drafting a QB:
Panthers: Clausen
Titans: Rusty Smith
Vikings: Joe Webb
Jacksonville: Garrard (likely wouldn’t have been able to play)
Bengals: Carson Palmer’s Brother
This Year:
Colts: Peyton Manning
Redskins: Rex Grossman
Dolphins: Matt Moore/Henne
Browns: McCoy
Seahawks: Jackson
Jets: Sanchez
The situation isn’t as dire for teams this year.
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every facet of the game really?
he has a 51.5% completion rate which is 10 % points below Hasselbeck. He’s also being sacked on 7% of his drop backs, behind one of the best lines in the league, Hasselbeck is being sacked just 3.3% of the time, despite playing against far tougher defenses.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 22, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Rating of 99.4, 4 TDs, 0 INTs, 8.21 YPA
VERSUS
Rating of 80.9, 15 TDs, 12 INTs, 6.6 YPA
Huge difference there. I don’t care that his completion % is worse, he has scored more and has passed for more yards even with the fewer completions.
by TheDeepBall on Dec 22, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
yeah b/c sample size has nothing to do with it
or how a few big plays greatly overshadow Locker’s deficientcies
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 22, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
5 TDs has nothing to do with sample size. In fact that’s extremely impressive considering how little he’s actually gotten to play.
by TheDeepBall on Dec 22, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
yes it does have to do with sample size
you are basing this off a few halves of play, not exactly a lock.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 23, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
So what you're saying is
5 TDs in just a few halves of play is not at all impressive for a Rookie.
by TheDeepBall on Dec 23, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
it's impressive, but if in the next 5 halves he threw 0 TD's and 5 INT's it wouldn't be any longer
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 23, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
look
the fact is he’s played well, and from what we’ve actually seen, he’s played better than Hasselbeck.
by TheDeepBall on Dec 23, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
i'm sorry but only completing half your passes doesn't constitute 'playing well'
yes the TD’s are nice, and he’s playing better than Gabbert, but i’m not going to say he’s doing great just yet.
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Trent? Is that you?
I want what you’re smoking.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Dec 22, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Who are the other two top three QBs that are staying in college ??
by ENsDad27 on Dec 22, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
griffin, jones.
If you read the article, you’d know that.
by TheDeepBall on Dec 22, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Haha...hardly a solid source
(and the rumors that Robert Griffin the III and Landry Jones could soon follow),
except the assumption with every debate in the comments section is that they're returning.
Context, pal. Get some.
by TheDeepBall on Dec 22, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
i will say this the rumor came from sources from Tony Pauline who is as about as connected as you can be
but I said they were rumors for a reason. (though Jones wouldn’t shock me at all)
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 22, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
we're gonna have to trade up if we want Barkley or Griffith next year with 10 wins.
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by jbh1190 on Dec 22, 2011 10:21 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
don't care
we’ll have a solid team, and hopefully an extra first after trading back this year.
by TheDeepBall on Dec 22, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
I'd take Blackmon or Jeffery's this year. in 1 and ol in 2.
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by jbh1190 on Dec 22, 2011 10:25 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
we have to trade back first though
maybe we could get DeCastro if he falls far enough.
by TheDeepBall on Dec 22, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
but there is no upside to that scenario, even if true. Shanahan promised results in 5 years.
That clearly doesn’t include drafting qb in year 4, unless you are nuts.
Funny how
Nobody sees this. I think it sucks that our options at QB keep getting worse. And I don’t wanna waste a pick either. But if Shanny is in year three with no answer, or at least no APPEARANCE of an answer at QB, he won’t last through his contract.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Dec 22, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dan Snyder isn't dumb
I’m sure he follows college football and I’m sure he probably said FUCK when Barkley went back. If shanny says to him “Danny we gotta wait one more year for a qb I don’t want a lesser talent” I can’t see Dan going no no no the cards didn’t fall right for you your fired.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Danny and shanny have already talked about this very thing.
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by jbh1190 on Dec 22, 2011 10:20 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
A QBs future is not etched in stone the minute that he's drafted
Coaching, continuity, surrounding talent & many other factors will make or break a young QB. I think that we need to draft a top QB in this years draft & build an offense around him that suits his talents
by ENsDad27 on Dec 22, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If we pick the wrong QB then we pick the wrong QB, what's the worst that could happen?
You can’t hurt us anymore as a fanbase. We need to get over and pick a QB. If it some dude like Tannehill or Foles and he completely sucks then so be it, draft another QB next year.
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agreed
It isn’t like we’d be on the hook for a 50 Mil contract anymore. I like this new rookie salary scale.
I believe we should double down and get a free agent and whomever falls in our laps in the draft (in whatever round it happens in).
Exactly
We need to stop being scared to take the next step.
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by CJHutch on Dec 22, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We agree on something Parks.
Not only do I want “Tabbehill, Doles or Qeeden” but I want Kellen Moore in a later round too.
If they suck, sit down and bring the next guy up.
It’s the lottery, can’t win if you don’t play.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Dec 22, 2011 10:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
bingo
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by Parks Smith on Dec 22, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yes!
Pick up a 2nd rounder. If we miss, we miss. Reload and try again.
I can handle Rex coming back as the starter, but as a fan I need the hope of a real franchise qb.
My give a damn broke.
by davesomethin on Dec 23, 2011 10:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is a business. If you don't win and don't sell tickets business is bad.
We have to grab a QB this year that starts at some point during the season or this convo will happen.
Danny : Why the fuck are we 6-10 again, with Rex Grossman?
Shanny : Trust me these kids coming out next year are awesome.
Danny: You couldn’t find a QB in three years? How much have I paid you?
Shanny: Yes, but it’s a process.
Danny: Here’s a process: Take this pink slip and get the hell out of here, you’re fired.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Dec 22, 2011 9:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And take your idiot son too!
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by Parks Smith on Dec 22, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yea its like my 4th or 5th, TCU was my 1st highest, sweated that out last night
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by Parks Smith on Dec 22, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
That's bold
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by Parks Smith on Dec 22, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I wanted to make it interesting, after a 2nd look tho
it’s not my 1st, it’s my 3rd. Baylor over Washington is my 1st.
what do you mean dont worry
im pretty sure RG111 will enter the draft if he dont then i am not waiting untill 2013 for them to come out we have to trade for matt flynn cause i cannot stomach another season of grossman wake up its time to start winning we havent done that since the 92 season
lohaus #54
Matt Flynn will be a FA
we won’t have to “trade” for him, just sign him to a ridiculous amount of money
If the price is too high
then pass, if not we should consider it.
oops
I misfired. response was to the Matt Flynn comment
Out of those guys, give me Nick Foles and I’ll be on my way…
…On my way to watching the Redskins win numerous Super Bowls.
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Oh and yeah, I highly, highly … highly doubt that E.J. Manuel is going to leave Florida State this year. But that’s probably already been said within the comments here.
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yeah i wouldn't if I was him, but I wouldn't if I'd been Mark Sanchez and he saw an opening
Manuel is an interesting case and if Griffin goes back he could think about it.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 22, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
I find it hard to believe that Shanny/Allen can pick the following:
1. A badass LB that nobody was talking about and a DROY candidate in the middle of the first.
2. Possibly the best all around RB of the class in the 4th.
3. A starting WR in the third.
But people think he can’t spot a guy somewhere to throw a football.
Everything will be fine.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Dec 22, 2011 10:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
+1
Definitely agree. Besides we’re getting either Luck or Bradford.
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by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 22, 2011 11:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
um, well
that is because he has has had two drafts to get a qb and has decided that McNabb, Rex, and Beck were all better options. Passed on Campbell too. Fifth time a charm?
who could he of gotten his first year?
Bradford was off the board.
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by jbh1190 on Dec 23, 2011 8:58 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
If the Colts keep Manning after they draft Luck i will gladly take Orlovski
The guy is throwing some beauties tonight
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Oh boy
Yet another journeyman quarterback.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Not that i think he is the answer but
He could be a reasonably priced NFL level guy to compete with Rex for the starting job. Assuming we don’t get a QB in the draft.
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by Jeff Bernard on Dec 23, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Meh, I'll pass
Been in the league 6 or 7 years, three different teams? No thanks. Besides, he likes to run outta the back of the end zone. And he looks too much like that boy band kid that was married to Jessica Simpson.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
so the colts won!
Andrew luck coming to the Skins?
by no more kwame's in dc on Dec 22, 2011 11:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Again now you have to ask yourself
If the rams get the no. 1 pick do we trade up or trade for Bradford if he gets the boot.
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by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 22, 2011 11:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Trade for Luck if possible
and if not too expensive.
by TheDeepBall on Dec 23, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
If the asking price is all of the Redskins 2011 draft picks...do you pull the trigger?
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by Copious 1 on Dec 23, 2011 12:42 AM EST via Android app reply actions
all?
I maybe would do 6 picks but we still do have some holes. But mortgaging one full draft would probably get it done.
by no more kwame's in dc on Dec 23, 2011 12:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
no it probably wouldn't
first off it would cost more than the Ricky Williams trade, and secondly 5th, 6th and 7th rounders aren’t really going to tip the scales in your favor.
A better question is, would you trade our 1st, 2nd, 3rd and both 4th rounders this year, our 1st and 2nd next year, and our first in 2014 (and that might not even be enough)?
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 23, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
It wont go three drafts deep the FO in st louis arent the houdinis you are making them out to be
Colts COLTS COLTTS!!!!!
19-16 music to my ears
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 23, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
1. we have no idea who the Rams front office will be next year, as I'm fairly certain some changes will be made
2. Its going to take quite a bit any way you cut it.
3. Luck might not be the one on the market if the Rams get the pick. Look for Bradford to be the one being dealt.
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Doubt they can move him, and for someone who seems to doubt Luck you dont think any GMs share your skepticism?
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 23, 2011 3:31 AM EST up reply actions
I doubt Luck??
Since when?
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You dont seem to think he is worth trading up for
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 23, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
that has nothing to do with me doubting him
the Redskins simply can’t afford it. Not after all the bad moves they’ve made over the years (including the shanny years)
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 23, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I really dislike the Shanny years to be honest
I cant remember a true franchise qb that ever played for us, maybe Sonny but we havent had a qb we could build a team around in so long. If we get Luck and build around him im confident he can take us somewhere
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 23, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
it takes more than that though and we don't have the team or resources in place
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im advocating patience taking the time to do this right
Building around a franchise qb works in the NFL
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 23, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Whoever ends up with the #1 pick is drafting Luck. Manning, Bradford or Ponder are going to move over. Luck will not be traded. This talk about trading away the greatest QB prospect in 20 years is foolish. No GM wants to be the Portland Trailblazers. Not happening.
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by Jeff Bernard on Dec 23, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
I was referring to Sam Bowie but Greg Oden was just as bad.
How terrible must it be to have passed on Michael Jordan and Kevin Durant?
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by Jeff Bernard on Dec 23, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
I rather get it all out of the way real quick.
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by jbh1190 on Dec 23, 2011 9:02 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
We can now draft bpa
And get the only other quarterback I wanted besides Barkley…nick foles!! I hope everyone is ready for the playoffs next year
Duck Fallas!!
by believe_the_curse on Dec 23, 2011 1:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I got a tweet from a reporter citing NFL Network that said
if the Colts lose next week they are guaranteed the top pick…i’m a bit surprised b/c I’d think that SOS could change a bit in 2 weeks, but I guess the difference isn’t enough.
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Shefty tweeted if the Colts beat the Jags they get the #1 pick
I was assuming it was strength of schedule related
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by Jeff Bernard on Dec 23, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Flip.
More and more, I find myself rooting for the team to throw out draft picks en masse to get Luck. Value be damned.
Of the QB options you mentioned, I think I like Weeden the best. Yeah, he’s 28, but if he turns out to be a good QB, you probably get 5-7 years out of him. If he busts, you get the same number of years that you get from a 22 year old bust.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
the object here is not finding the ****yrs old bust...
Do you think he can become a great QB? I DON’T. So it doesn’t matter where you pick him, how old he is, will he fit into our system…
yes he could fit into our system
he’s highly accurate and a good decision maker
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 23, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he'll be a great QB.
But I think he could be a good QB (best chance of the non-1st-rounders). If you don’t, I don’t blame you for not wanting to draft him.
I don’t want to find the “****yrs old bust” or whatever either.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
Good article, and it was guaranteed to get a big response/
Interior OL and Matt Flynn in FA, Kalil in the 1st, Tannehill in the 2nd.
This would make me happy.
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by Stephen Beagrie on Dec 23, 2011 5:01 AM EST reply actions
thanks
unfortunately Kalil will def. be off the board by the time we draft.
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that would be good
even if we can’t get kalil, it would be nice to get a tackle 1st round at this point and see what we can get out of tannehill/flynn
What about Foles?
There hasn’t been much talk about him, is it because he’s not very good or because he’s on a crappy team?
He's def. not a perfect prospect
but the biggest concern seems to be his W-L record. People point to the fact that even non-powerhouses like Vandy and Purdue were at least decent and competitive when they had Cutler and Brees. I still think that is a bit unfair, b/c there is so little NFL caliber talent on that team.
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I see
I can see the concern but it’s difficult for 1 guy to carry and entire team.
agreed
i also think that some of his sacks and poor throws have more to do with him trying to make a play b/c his team is down, than say lack of pocket awareness or decision making.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 23, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Can Shanahan keep his job without a new QB?
I just wonder how realistic it is to expect Shanahan to NOT draft a QB. We all know that football is a business and driven by wins. Wins as in wins NOW.
Personally I think Shanahan has to go at least 8-8 next year and how do you do that with a Grossman / Beck lead offense?
QB has hurt this team more than anything else, yes, including the OL play. I think Shanahan pretty much has to trade up to get a pretty good QB – Luck or RGIII.
yep
I think a lot of folks want to make HC/GM like decisions with the assumption that they can’t get fired (which is true for a fan) but the realities of the job are very different.
If you’re Shanahan what MIGHT happen 4 years from now based on trading away several picks for a QB is irrelevant if you get fired after next year.
so trade away?
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by jbh1190 on Dec 23, 2011 9:31 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
which one?
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by jbh1190 on Dec 23, 2011 4:59 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I wish I knew
I don’t really know what Shanahan looks for in a QB. He had Griese, Plummer and Cutler who were all different. Griese was more of a game manager while Plummer and Cutler both had big arms. Plummer was kind of a scrambler but Cutler really isn’t.
i feel like im useing 4G next gen smart phones and you all are useing pagers
i been saying all this would happen a few months ago. i was called a moron non fan and one friendly poster even told me to eat a sausage lol. if i was danny ied just fire shanahan right now. thats if allen has been the one drafting. because thats the only posative i can see out of shanahan was the drafts least last years draft that is… mikes syatem dont seem to work, his game planning is awful, his sons play calling is bad, if you gonna turn over a team like shanahan has with us. you have to have at least 1 really bad season…. with mike telling us beck or grossmen was our only options i was thinking this is that really bad season. but as fate would have it. here we are with 5 wins with a 6th on the way in the same boat as last year but with less cap room and lets not kid our selfs with this D is set to win… so we need more help on that side. i just dont see shanny being here for the time it will take us to build a real winner. maybe what i said was true? that shanahans main goal to come here was to let his son take over as the HC…
Lets take the assumption he has to go at least 8-8
That is easily accomplished with Grossman. We will most likely end up 6-10 this year or possibly 7-9. So if that is your baseline all we needed was Graham Gano to make a kick in overtime to win the game and we are 8-8. I know people will say yeah but other teams could have done x, y and z and we would be 2-14. The fact remains Gano had a chance in overtime to win a game and he has missed more field goals then any other kicker in the league. This doesn’t even include the 3 games we had ZERO chance of winning with John Beck at the helm. Grossman likely would have won at least 1 of those games so now we are 9-7. So if Rex plays all 16 next year(i am not advocating this), the line improves from atrocious to passable, the defense adds a player or two and Gano misses 7 kicks instead of 9 we are easily 8-8 possibly 10-6. So that is how you do that with a Grossman/Beck lead offense.
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by Jeff Bernard on Dec 23, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Why does everyone think the line is so bad?
They give Rex plenty of time and aside from the Beck Buffalo Blunder and Blooper Extravaganza, our QBs haven’t been sacked that much and especially lately.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
The line is passable now but are you forgetting the first 10 games of the season?
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by Jeff Bernard on Dec 23, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
the line is one of the worst in the league
it is more about sacks, since Grossman unlike Beck knows to throw the ball away sometimes. And while everyone wants to talk how they kept Grossman upright against the Giants people forget that the line only allowed our RB’s get 2.78 yards per carry against one of the worst defenses in the league.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 23, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Steve, I know, you hate our o-line and think they are all horrible.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
just trying to be honest
if Grossman equals a horrible option for next year, then our line does as well
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 23, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
The Hogs aren't coming back.
We’ll have to deal with weak links on the line. Every team does.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
most teams have at least 2 starting capable players, and most playoff teams have at least 4, and two of those being elite
this doesn’t come close to describing the Skins
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 23, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
easily go 8-8
I doubt that with Grossman at the helm. And going 8-8 makes it that much harder to draft a QB next year.
Doesn't work like that...
That is easily accomplished with Grossman. We will most likely end up 6-10 this year or possibly 7-9. So if that is your baseline all we needed was Graham Gano to make a kick in overtime to win the game and we are 8-8.
We had arguably the easiest schedule in the league this year. Where we played the NFC West, which isn’t good, and the AFC East (down year), we’ll be playing the NFC South and AFC North next year. Our division will be better, Carolina will be better, Atlanta, New Orleans, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Cincinnati will still be good, and we’ll have to play Cleveland, Tampa, and St. Louis on the road. So tell me where those wins are coming from?
vs. Cowboys
vs. Eagles
vs. Giants
vs. Ravens
vs. Bengals
vs. Falcons
vs. Panthers
vs. Vikings
@ Cowboys
@ Eagles
@ Giants
@ Saints
@ Tampa
@ Cleveland
@ Pittsburgh
@ St. Louis
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He asked how it could happen
Clearly one year’s win total doesn’t translate to the next. However, by the same token because some of those teams are good this years doesn’t translate to next year either. You can’t even predict strength of schedule in the preseason let alone week 15 of the year before
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by Jeff Bernard on Dec 23, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
You can't predict who will be good or bad.
Tampa was supposed to be good and Cincy was supposed to be bad.
Who saw San Fran coming?
You can never tell.
The Skins could go 1-15 or 14-2 next year.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
That's true to a point, but I'm confident in predicting NO, ATL, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore will be pretty good
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What if Drew Brees is indicted on drug trafficking charges???
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by Jeff Bernard on Dec 23, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Then Chase Daniels will lead them to glory
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The Pats, Green Bay etc...will be in the thick of it.
But Detroit is getting better, Chicago (with Cutler) was really good.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
not sure what that has to do with our schedule?
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haha ok
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they are bad....
they are just enjoing the same if not even better cupcake schedule the ravens and steelers have enjoyed.
obviously predicting next year's games is foolish but oh well, i will anyway
@tampa, @cleveland and @St. Louis i will pencil in as wins. We split the division games and we are at 6 wins. Cam Newton breaks his leg in week 1 so we beat the Panthers and the Vikings stink. 8 wins!
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by Jeff Bernard on Dec 23, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
i cant wait!
that will be 4 easy wins for us if the refs stay out of it that is….last year the refs took the steelers to the superbowl
Hypothetically:
Let’s say St. Louis gets the #1 pick and takes Luck.
We want to trade for Bradford, who apparently Shanny really likes.
As a businessman I say, “Hey, I’m taking this ridiculous contract off the books for you and you want two first rounders? No deal, that’s your problem.”
i guarantee a McNabb type 2nd and 4th would do it.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
yeah that won't work
The Bradford contract isn’t as bad as people think (it’s worse for St. Louis due to the signing bonus, but not to other teams). He’s def. going to cost 2 firsts (or the equivalent of that) at least. Esp. with a guy like Barkley going back to school.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 23, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Im not sure they can make the deal but if Kolb brought back DRC and a 2nd
then Bradford could get multiple first and later round picks
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 23, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
then your team isn't getting Bradford
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 23, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
I hope not
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by Parks Smith on Dec 23, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Why not?
Loves to throw off his back foot.
Gets scared under pressure and forced balls into double coverage.
Sounds like someone I know…
But then again, he wins, and shows up for big boy games.
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by Al_CaPWNED on Dec 23, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Someone boiled a vat of Kool-Aid then sat in the room soaking in the vapors.
Qbs taken after the first round fail at a much higher rate. Anyone hoping to land a magic bullet in the second round or later is just betting bad money.
Qb is a massively over-drafted position(and will be even more so with the new rookie scale) so while nothing is guaranteed, if you don’t pick one in the first round you might as well not bother.
Anyone who thinks the Redskins don’t need a massive upgrade in talent at QB must have been injected directly with Kool-Aid. Grossman leads only to mediocrity.
well said...
I would only add, they need to be 1st rd. talent, selected in the 1st rd.; not some 3rd rd. guy who runs fast at the combine, who creeps into the 1st rd.
My Druthers - In Order
1. Use draft picks, current players and the BIG WALLET WEAPON to get Andrew Luck via trade.
2. Use draft picks, current players and the BIG WALLET WEAPON to get a very, very good currently starting NFL QB via trade.
3. Use the wallet weapon to get a so-so, but hopefully better then Grossman, free agent QB.
4. Join the league currently dominated by “The Little Sisters of the Poor”.
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