The Draft: More than One Scenario
by Ronnie Adkins on Dec 20, 2011 2:05 PM EST
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With the win over the Giants, a few things happened. The Cowboys took over the lead in the NFC East, and the Redskins draft pick dropped to somewhere around 8th.
So what?
Let me explain before you go all "mmmmeeeeehhhh we need a quarterback right meow!" on me.
Yes we will need a quarterback eventually in order to become a contender, but do you bring in a stallion with nowhere to gallop?
Offensive weapons, one area that is lacking on the Redskins squad that is often overlooked by fans. Most of RedskinsNation only sees the quarterback, and rightfully so. He is the face of the offense, and in most cases the team (When I think of the Patriots, I think of Tom Brady’s brown locks of flowing hair). But take a good long look at our receivers. Find anything? I did. We have a loose collective of average receivers and none of which contain the stature, nor ability to represent a deep threat. Santana is GREAT, don’t get me wrong. But he’s also a GREAT slot receiver, not an endzone fade guy, not to mention he’s getting old. Leonard Hankerson could have been our guy, but he went down early in the season. What are the chances he comes back 100%?
The offensive line, another area that needs crucial work. Trent Williams basically has the left tackle spot on lock-down (unless he keeps smoking and joking, which will end up giving him the boot). But even when he is able to play, he is relatively injury-prone, and having a solid backup is something that the Redskins may, or may not have. We don’t know. The reason we don’t know, is that NOBODY has been given a static chance to fill in. Redskins linemen are dropping like flies, and the Shanahans are struggling to keep it filled, especially OT's. The 'Skins are very shallow in the Tackle position.
Defensive backs, a huge area that needs work. I hear you, I hear you. We’ve got LaRon. LaRon "Dirty" Laun..Landry. When was the last time he finished out a season? Two years ago. The Redskins have an excellent LB Corps in Perry Riley, Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, and the coveted London Fletcher (who’s contract is up this year… he better be back). But what we don’t have are playmakers at d-back. And Dirty Laundry's contract is also up. Do you sign him for another 1 year contract? Nope.
"brrrrrrr what about DeAngelo Hall?"
Save for the occasional pick, DeAngelo Hall doesn’t do much other than run his mouth and proclaim that it’s ‘his’ defense.
The way I see it, there are two scenarios that I would be happy with in the 2012 draft:
The QB ‘Option’:
In this scenario, the Redskins find a way to move up the draft order and pull in a high 1st round Quarterback. In doing this the Redskins will likely have to trade up, a lot. Which means sacrificing a lot of picks. You can check out The Burgundy Warpath picks for QB here. Mine, personally, is RGIII.
The WR ‘Route’:
Basically, this could be done more than one way. The Redskins could use their #1 pick to draft a playmaker like WR Justin Blackmon, Michael Floyd, or Alshon Jefferey and then use a 2nd or 3rd round pick to grab a QB (Don’t tell me you can’t find talent: Brady was drafted in the 6th round). Or you could use basically all of your picks to fill those slots in crucial areas. Areas that will allow a rookie QB to thrive in the NFL.
To be honest, I’m more inclined to go for the 2nd choice of the WR Route. Without a stout offensive line, your rookie is going to be all over the place. Without a good set of WR’s to catch his inevitable bad throws, he will e relatively ineffective. If Cam Newton didn’t have Steve Smith, he wouldn’t have a season in my eye (Aside from the rushing aspect. The kid can flat out run)
To be honest, after reading this over, I really do like the second option. I absolutely LOVE RGIII and I would hate to play against him, but I don’t think putting a QB in this offense is going to fix everything. I would rather bring in a good QB next year after some holes are filled so he has a complete package to play in. A "whole" team that he can thrive in. I think that option gives us the best chances as a franchise and not just a single season win.
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mmmmeeeeehhhh we need a quarterback right meow!!!
Actually – we should draft 2.
every time I read an argument for a WR with the 1st or 2nd, a kitten dies.
"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Just watched two fall from a tree.
Those kittehs were destined to die for the cause.
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by Ronnie Adkins on Dec 20, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
funny!
and true…didn’t we do that once…or twice…recently?
Is Vinny lurking on this website?
True
There comes a point in time that you can’t really put off drafting a QB any longer.
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by Ronnie Adkins on Dec 20, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I agree but where I think we disagree is on how much we pay for the QB
I’m all for drafting a QB, and I’d like 1 of the top 3 that we’ve regularly talked about but I don’t want to sell the farm for Luck. I’d rather have 1 of the other 2 for fewer draft picks traded away.
Selling the farm
only costs us two seasons; which we can endure for a QB of his calibur. Meanwhile, we have some key pieces in place, to go along with a defense who is already good. I’ll live without a 2nd and 4th in 2012, and I’ll make due without a 1st and 3rd in 2013, if it means we have Luck for 10-12 years.
Crying Lion
But are we at that point?
Can we survive under Rexy a year longer? Who knows. A lot of the fanbase might not. Which I am sure will be weighed in on the decision-making.
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Absolutely not.
Not only from a fan’s perspective, but Dan Snyder sees a lot of empty seats in his stadium.
That means people aren’t buying $8 beers and such.
A shiny new QB like Griffin puts butts in the seats. Shanny won’t make it to year four if he doesn’t draft a first round QB.
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by alwaysremember21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
+1
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by Ronnie Adkins on Dec 21, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with iH8, I dont think the fanbase can stand not having a new QB
Without going over every turnover and the net effect of each of Rex’s turnovers, I firmly believe that if even if those were cut in half we would have an additional 3 wins, simply because of our defense. 3 extra wins would have dramatically changed our season this year. The sad part is that even Rex cutting out half of the turnovers puts him as an average starting QB.
We are closer to competing than we have been in many years, yet the one major piece lacking is the most important on the field. I am for QB 1st round and then OL deserves 2-3 picks. Our WR corp (minus Banks and Stallworth) is better than I think most give us credit for, considering our QB play. RB’s are set, TE’s set and LB’s are set. Special teams are set minus Banks…(notice the theme?)….I am giving Gano one more year before I am done with him.
We need the two most major components…QB and OL. I think we will all implode if those areas are NOT addressed this year.
by Bryan Black on Dec 20, 2011 7:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Disagree
and I think by the comments Haslett made, he does too. Haslett loves Coefield, and said he has the ability to be one of the best NT’s in the NFL next year. That’s high praise, from a defensive coach who definitly knows his stuff. With Neild, and Jenkins back next year, I expect good things.
Crying Lion
I think we need a real NT as well. I like Cofield but am not sold on him longterm at NT
Its a lot of abuse to take at his size
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think you're going to get one, especially with Jenkins coming back into the rotation.
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by Parks Smith on Dec 21, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Only way you get one is if
Carriker leaves and they decide to bring in a FA NT and slide Cofield over, but I don’t think even that would happen. Cofield is fine at NT, we have other issues
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I think we could take a shot at a late round guy and see if he works out, we dont need to fix everything now
lack of patience is a big problem at the redskins camp
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
I'm a believer
That if Rex weren’t taken out, the record would also look different. Not trying to compare Sexy Rexy with the greats, but Mike Vick, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Tom Brady all had games that they threw 4 interceptions. They weren’t taken out.
I think we could have given Rex a better chance this season. He was the best shot we had. I do agree with the masses, I would love to see Luck or RGIII in Burgundy and Gold next year. I just think that we should be prepared, if the Redskins win out, for other scenarios.
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by Ronnie Adkins on Dec 21, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
How much better do you think the record could really have been?
Dont forget that the three games Beck played in were: @Carolina, @Buffalo, and vs San Fran, this was while Buffalo and San Fran were in great early season form.
I don’t think you can count either of those games as easy victories with Rex in the lineup. Maybe Carolina could have been a win, but don’t forget that Rex was shell shocked after throwing 4 picks against the Eagles at home.
Moreover, Rex had pneumonia, so he couldnt play regardless…
by StephanHart on Dec 21, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
I think we need to start preparing for other scenerios as well
Luck, Griffin, and Barkley will likely be gone.
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Your example of Brady is your downfall.
Take a good long look at Brady’s receivers, including his TEs. They didn’t draft any of them in the 1st RD.
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exactly
if they want to go the OT route I understand, but unless Landry Jones is the only option on the board I’m taking a QB over a WR
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 20, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
If we win out
And fall to ~16th, there is a chance that could happen.
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by Ronnie Adkins on Dec 21, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
even if we are at 6 we should take OT over WR.
our line is pathetic, our WR’s will at least be above league average.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 21, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
steveo what do you think of taking the best player available?
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 21, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
BPA or BPA at a position of need...
because Richardson might be there when we pick, and i don’t think that would be the best use of our selection
a combination of both, like i wouldnt take another olb
but even though WR isnt as huge a need as OL if Calvin Johnson was available i would take him over some RT prospect
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 21, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
and i think Blackmon is Johnson...
my understanding of Shanahan’s draft selection is that he relies on his scouts, but then he follows his gut. I don’t remember the websites, but i remember hearing that the scouts said to take Okung…he took Silverback. Last year the scouts said take Aldon Smith..he took Kerrigan. so just because a guy is rated higher, he may not be Shanny’s guy. This is a wonderful thing when the value of a player that is available is higher than what the coach thinks about one of the picks a hair further down. It lead to those trade backs that we saw first hand last year. So, BPA to me is a loose term, even though it’s kinda straight forward
I dont think blackmon is close to Calvin Johnson
and i would have rather not taken kerrigan he was the 3rd-4th best player at his position. Did you see Aldon smith on monday night?
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 21, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
true and he is a more situational player given the Niners depth
but I do think he is/was a superior player. While I LOVED Smith last year during the draft process, even if he was on the board at 10 I would have made that deal, b/c the drop off between Smith and Kerrigan is great enough to make up for the additions of Hankerson, Helu, Robinson and Hurt.
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I would have made the trade wouldnt have taken Kerrigan
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 21, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
who did you want?
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Solder, there were only 3 OLBs i liked in the top half of round 1
Von Miller, Aldon Smith, and Robert Quinn. I also like Pouncey and wish he had fallen further, also could have lived with Amukamara being the pick
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 21, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
I actually wasn't a Solder fan, as I preferred Castonzo and Carimi (not that I wouldn't take him)
but I liked the Kerrigan pick overall and thought he was a better fit for the 3-4 than Quinn. At the time I was hoping they trade back again in the first round and get more extra picks.
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Did you see Aldon smith on monday night?
no it was to dark
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he catches with his hands
thats perfect
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A target the size of a 2 car garage
Even Rex couldn’t miss that
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honestly I don't think you should draft based on BPA or need
I prefer looking at it as a more hybrid system, which also greatly takes into account a number of other factors:
depth of the position (both on your team and in the draft): For example with WR’s like I said we are at least solid in that position, whereas our offensive line is among the leagues worst, with RT (and a guy who could potentially play LT is valuble given TW’s issues) being a main culprit. Also the WR class is probably deeper than the tackle depth (and will get more picked over).
value of the position: I don’t base this necessarily off contract values, but more just my take. I believe the OL and QB are the most valuable positions on offense, and DL and LB’s most valuable on defense. If two players are pretty similar, I’m going to fix the more valuable position.
Readiness factor: Unless you are a QB if I’m taking you in the top 100 picks, I want to see some impact as a rookie. Now I’m not saying they have to be a day one starter or in the case of 3rd and 4th round guys even a week 17 starter, but they need to be at least good rotational players. i don’t mind taking a cautious approach with a player, or developing a later round guy. But if I see a guy as more of a project and I need someone to step in, I pass on the project for the certainty.
All in all I think it is a case by case basis. Take for instance the Skins last year, of course they needed a QB, but they had a number of other needs (still do) and they rightly determined that adding extra 3rd and 4th round picks, could give them guys that help out early, and Kerrigan unlike a rookie QB could be a day one starter and have early impact. Now I don’t know if that was their full thought process, but to me I grade that move as an A. And much prefer it to reaching for a QB.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 21, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well said
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by Ronnie Adkins on Dec 21, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
thanks
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That's only further validating
My point that you can find talent anywhere in the draft. Look at Helu and Royster.
While watching Royster in preseason, I thought he was great. I was actually a little angry to see his name wasn’t on the original 53-man.
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by Ronnie Adkins on Dec 21, 2011 10:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
agreed
but I think Diesel’s point is the Pats after getting Brady (which is lucky) they’ve consistently spent their early round picks on every position but WR (Chad Jackson being the only one that comes to mind).
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 21, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Drafting a WR in the first round would be great...
if we had the line to protect our QB. With us falling back a few slots, and an expected few more slots after we play Minny, I wouldn’t be willing to trade up to get a WR. Floyd will be there for sure, but I wouldn’t be too happy if he were our 1st round selection. AJ and JB are both going to be top 10 picks, leaving us in a trade back mode, maybe acquire a 2013 1st rounder for the likes of Tyler Bray
I can dig Tyler Bray in 2013
but I don’t think I can suffer through another season of Rex
Crying Lion
I also came away very impressed from watching Bray
If we decide to draft him next year we can fix so much this year
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
I'm starting to think
that Bray might be the better trade up scenerio
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I really like him...
He seems to be a guy that could be the final piece to the puzzle if we used our draft to our advantage this year. But like Tiller said, it would equate to another season of Rex.
its becoming more of reality...another year of rex
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Ronnie
I gotta ask you this:
Don’t you think that the entire offense can be addressed this offseason?
FA:
Guard(which we could definitly use) – Grubbs or Nicks – both of which are young and very talented.
WR – Bowe, Colston, Stevie Johnson, DeSean Jackson, Manningham – these guys are all young, and we should be able to land at least 1 top guy.
Draft:
I’m moved towards the trade up for Luck side, even if it costs us a 2012 1st, 2nd, and 4th, and a 2013 1st and 3rd. If this were to happen, I say use that 2012 3rd on a quality Center, like Ben Jones or Molk – either could come in and start from day one. Use the 4th and our later round picks on BPA.
If we don’t move up for Luck, we sit tight(between 8-12), and draft which ever one of the big 4 fall to us. I love Landry Jones, so I’d be happy as hell with him as our 1st round pick. If this scenerio plays out, and we have all of our draft picks, we use oue 2nd on an OT – like Potter(who’s become my favorite), Adcock, or Sanders, then follow the same plan as above with the remainder of our picks.
In either of these scenerios, we have significantly upgraded our O-Line, WR corps, and our QB, all in one offseason.
Crying Lion
I like it except for trading so much to draft Luck
and I want to draft a NT because I think that will make our DEs and OLBs that much better.
Sometimes if you want to achieve greatness(which many believe Luck to be)
you have to give a little, to get the big return.
As for NT, see my comment above.
Crying Lion
There aren't many valuable NT's coming out this year...
last year phil taylor and kenrick ellis were the big two. I would have loved to have taken either one of them, but am def happy about kerrigan’s selection and his production.
It could definitely work
Great points.
Touche.
And aFan4Life, below, Cofield is doing great at NT. I would like to see him develop a little more with our defense. He’s bringing attention to him, taking eyes off of pass rushers and the blitz up the middle. He is very well one of the reasons that London Fletcher is leading the league in tackles.
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by Ronnie Adkins on Dec 21, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Cofield is also becoming a leader
and I think is a candidate to take over that role from fletcher when he retires
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I'd prefer Kerrigan.
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I dont see him as the face of our defense im hoping one of the OLBs steps up, or a healthy Laron Landry
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
haha i know it is a novel concept for the Redskins but good and great teams have multiple leaders on both sides of the ball
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He may eventually
become a leader. It’s too early to tell right now. I would love to see ‘Osackpo’ emerge as a leader. Especially since (I know nobody wants to hear it) London may either move on, or even if he doesn’t, get old. A leader will need to fill his shoes.
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by Ronnie Adkins on Dec 21, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
London can get old?
London may either move on, or even if he doesn’t, get old
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The way it looks right now?
Absolutely not. Haha
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by Ronnie Adkins on Dec 21, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
liked everything until i read this
(Don’t tell me you can’t find talent: Brady was drafted in the 6th round
i’m tired of hearing about that. Truth is hes the exception to the rule not the rule
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Every year theres a Tom Brady thats why his story isnt at all special
In fact Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, John Elway, Jim Kelly, Drew Brees, and Aaron Rodgers were all drafted in the 6th round
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 21, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
umm
Manning was taken number one over all in 98,along with Elway in his draft, and Dan was taken no 27 in 83, Kelly went in the 1st as well i think like 17th, Brees went in the top of the 2nd round in his draft, Rodgers went 24th.
And you still can find good qb’s late. Montana was a late 3rd round pick, Sonny Jurgensen went in the 4th, Joe Theismann, went in the 4th as well . the golden arm went 102 over all in his draft, and Moon and Warner were not even drafted…
by Ryan Schaffer on Dec 21, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was only using one example
and it’s usually the one even mediocre fans can understand. He’s a huge name.
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by Ronnie Adkins on Dec 21, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
i understand your point, but unfortunately it is used ad nausem
a more fair statement would be to say ‘you can’t find talent, Brady, Romo, Warner, Schaub weren’t first round picks’
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yes but in general you wont fing good qbs down at the bottom of the draft, ST guys and interior linemen are a different story
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 21, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
no but recent history has shown a number of successful ones
Brunell, Hasselbeck, Brad Johnson, Trent Green, Rich Gannon.
I’m not saying its a given, but its also wrong to assume that the 1st round is the only way to go.
Currently the top rated QB is Aaron Rodgers but 2-5 on the list are Brees, Brady, Romo, Schaub. And going back the last decade you will see most years there are roughly 5 non first round QB’s among the top 10 in every season. And yes I expect the argument that ’oh that is b/c Brady, Brees and Favre", but it really is more than them, and the same argument can be said for Peyton, Big Ben,and other first rounders who essentially have their spot saved every year.
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brees was pick 32 and shaub pick 90 gannon pick 98 favre pick 33
not a ton of low round guys even on your list
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 21, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
I understand you example completly
but
1. its used to much and there’s not many more 6th round hall of fame 3 superbowl winning coaches…. there’s a reason he was picked in the 6th….and that’s cause he sucked
2. I really think he’s a system qb much like a spread offense qb is in college. But I’ve been hard pressed to find anyone who agrees with me on this. But I’ll point to an example for you to ponder over on the system qb thing….donovan mcnabb,
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1. its used to much and there’s not many more 6th round hall of fame 3 superbowl winning coaches QBs…. there’s a reason he was picked in the 6th….and that’s cause he sucked
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