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Looks Like Someone Has a Sixpack of the Mondays

1. As a prognosticator of Redskins games, I have correctly predicted close to 100% of our wins over the last few seasons (nobody had us winning that Philly game on the road in Jim Zorn's first year). Sure, I almost always predict a win, but Vegas is always telling me there's a chance. (What was all that one-in-a-million talk?) This win was a bit easier to see coming, not because I thought the Giants weren't going to show up--which they didn't--but because our offense has seemed to play better and better and the New York team has quietly been extremely mediocre. In short, the Giants were ripe for the picking by a team with nothing else to play for except pride. Make no mistake about it--the Giants should feel embarrassed, humiliated and ashamed of their performance. They laid an egg that could cost them a playoff chance and they did it against a divisional rival, at home, in December and with first place on the line. You know who the most confident fans were yesterday at 12:59 PM EST? New York Giants fans. Patriots fans were rightfully concerned about Denver and even Green Bay fans knew that a team like Kansas City could be very dangerous. But nobody felt more cocky than Giants fans...and why wouldn't they? They had won nine of eleven against us. They had first place in their sights and only the Redskins in their path. What could go wrong? Hahahaha...

2. If you watched any of the Tampa Bay/Dallas game, you saw a good example of a team (Buccaneers) with players that have stopped caring. Unfortunately, we have seen that ourselves over the years, but we have not seen it under Mike Shanahan. Every Sunday, it is like we are watching a group of guys that think they are still very much alive for postseason qualification. Our offense has played hard and gotten better, but it is our defense that has played with a fire not generally seen by teams playing out the string. Our defensive linemen stuck their noses in to stop the run and our secondary stepped up to create a few huge turnovers. It didn't hurt that Hakeem Nicks seemed to have a wad of cash on the Redskins. Win or lose, it is this kind of competitive spirit and fight that will benefit us greatly in 2012.

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3. There was something about Rex getting that interception off on the first throw that made me actually feel pretty good. It was as cleansing as it was predictable. It was like he was trying to get it out of the way so he could move on to the business of Rexifying New York. I can honestly say I was unfazed by that first interception. What made me nervous throughout the game were his pitches to the running back. Was it just me or were those pitches as nerve-wracking as some of his deep balls? Has anyone ever thrown an interception when attempting a backwards pitch to the tailback?

4. There is a disdain that I, as a Redskins fan, reserve only for the Dallas Cowgirls. But there is something about watching Tom Coughlin's face contort and wince as he realizes he is getting beaten by a team that he has no business losing to that I especially relish. Between that and watching the wheels come off of the Eli Manning bus, there was no shortage of joys that Redskins fans relished in yesterday. I know some people think that taking pleasure in the demise of others is a little twisted, but that is how it goes in the NFC East.

5. A lot can happen in the next week or two, but there still exists the possibility that on the last day of the season, the Eagles will have to beat us to make the playoffs. As far as Super Bowls-that-aren't-Super Bowls go, that would be huge for the Redskins. I want that game.

6. I know he didn't have a huge game necessarily, but I have very high hopes for Niles Paul next year. Against the Giants, he had one carry for seven yards. He didn't necessarily do much on Sunday to cause me to have such high expectations all of a sudden. But every week, watching his effort on special teams and then getting to see how strong he is with the football in his hands makes me think that after a full offseason program, his role in our offense could be significantly increased. I believe ten of our twelve draft picks have been on the field as of late contributing. Some have been pressed into service because of injuries, while some are getting playing time thanks to the position the team finds itself in. We have to remember, these guys got next to no offseason last year. The experience they are getting now combined with an offseason of studying and developing could result in a huge leap forward for a significant portion of our roster.

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agree with number three

get ’um out of the way early….for all his turnovers, i do find myself liking rex…i love his interviews, and his attitude about the game, and the other players seem to really feed off of him

also agree with six, these suspensions and injuries are a blessing in disguise, making our reserve players and rookies more seasoned, which in turn will make us a deeper team in the future, if not supplying us with starters

As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*

by atark001 on Dec 19, 2011 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

meh

A lot of his turnovers weren’t bad passes, they were WRs playing pee wee. There were numerous tip ups (armstrong and moss) and a few blown routes (Moss, hankerson). Most of his picks have at least doubled as punts since they were long distance and didn’t have a return (even though they weren’t on 4th down)

IMO, he’s serviceable but not the future of an organization.

by snowburnt on Dec 19, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

What are you talking about?

His turnovers are primarily of two varieties: 1) underthrown deep balls because he has a wet noodle for an arm. 2) He hits a linebacker in the chest with a perfectly thrown ball because he didn’t see him. Okay, yes, there was the play were Moss tossed the ball to a defender, but generally, the turnovers are on Rex.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

No

There have been a good 4 or 5 INTs that happened because the receiver tipped it and another 2 that happened because the receiver ran the wrong route. If we had receivers that caught the ball more consistently and ran the appropriate routes (I’m looking at you, Fred Davis) he would have 6 less INTs to his name.

by TheDeepBall on Dec 20, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

and there have been AT LEAST 4 or 5 that were lucky drops by the defense or were called back for unrelated penalties

god you have got to be the only person on earth defending Grossman’s INTs.

"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 20, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

* blinks *
A lot of his turnovers weren’t bad passes

"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 19, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

very good point.

"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 19, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Dec 19, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Rex is f-cking terrible.

That’s what I think.

"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 19, 2011 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

We are connoisseurs of f*cking terrible quarterbacks, though...

As they go, Rex is a real quality treat. I mean, he is like a Hall of Famer compared to some of the other f*cking terrible quarterbacks we have had…don’t make me name them all.

by Ken Meringolo on Dec 19, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Kind of sucks that if we had one more win then we'd still be in the hunt.

I blame Beck’s 3 game stint and Graham Gano!

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by Parks Smith on Dec 19, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

or Rex Grossman's INT:TD ratio

"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 19, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

good point

"And you can pass it to someone you never met, and let 'em get as high as you...you're eyes red as sh*t, mine too"

by Rekka on Dec 19, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

replace moss, hankerson and armstrong with guys that run the routes at the right times and don’t tip the ball up and the perfectly wrong time he’d have a much, much better ratio.

I don’t think anyone would blame Rex for the pick last week that moss handed to the patriots. They don’t blame him for that pick vs the cardinals either where there was clear uncalled pass interference (or holding on the D) and armstrong tipped the ball up for the birds. Yet how quickly those picks get thrown back into the BAD NUMBER, BAD REX! collection.

by snowburnt on Dec 19, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

No, he wouldn't. His career is 1:1. He's pretty much right on course.

"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 19, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Nonono

This year is different. He is a different quarterback now. He doesn’t turn the ball over anymore because he knows the system.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Dec 19, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

its funny cause its not true

by Jornek on Dec 19, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't Kyle have it too?

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Dec 19, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It was pneumonia

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by Parks Smith on Dec 19, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

That was with Chris Simms

when they got their matching thigh tattoos with each others names.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree with all (especially #5)

I’ve been saying for the whole second half of this year that this team is only a good QB away from contending. I believe it now as much as ever. These wins only fuel that for me. Yes it is hurting their draft pick standing but, more importantly, proving that they have many of the needed players for a real, contending team.

by Hustler of Culture on Dec 19, 2011 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

It's kind of sick

that we’ve become desensitized to our QB throwing picks

"And you can pass it to someone you never met, and let 'em get as high as you...you're eyes red as sh*t, mine too"

by Rekka on Dec 19, 2011 10:51 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

yes

Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.

by jbh1190 on Dec 19, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

can you imagine the joy & amazement when we watch one go a game without throwing one?

by PJ_21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I can’t remember back that far…

"And you can pass it to someone you never met, and let 'em get as high as you...you're eyes red as sh*t, mine too"

by Rekka on Dec 19, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Will that be the week the rookie QB starts next year?

Rex is contractually obligated to have a pick in every game.

It’s what he had to agree to in getting the nickname “Sexy Rexy”.

No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-

by BillWard on Dec 19, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

It will be a Christmas miracle

somewhere there’s a little kid with a terminal disease that is praying for nothing more than Rex to play a perfect game on Christmas Eve.

I hope this little terminal kid doesn’t exist for the kid’s sake, but I still feel it coming.

by CarverM on Dec 19, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Rex still loves to throw it deep…

We have not had that in a quarterback for a long time, this is probably why we tend to forgive is many problems when we win

The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button

by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 19, 2011 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

I don't know if Tiller was watching but that first pass was 55 yards yesterday

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by Parks Smith on Dec 19, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

That was a really weird day statistically

It seemed as though we should have had twice as much yardage rushing and passing the way we were dominating at the line of scrimmage.
Still, 24-10 still was a satisfying win

The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button

by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 19, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

He's definitely a uniquely bad QB

Though count me among the people who strangely find themselves rooting for him. We need a new QB this offseason and I’m hoping we can get one of the top prospects in the draft but I can’t hate on Rex too hard. He just is what he is.

by SkinsOsTerps on Dec 19, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

This ^^^^^

And strangely, I’m ok now with him as our long term backup.

I guess it’s the “abusee” syndrome. We’ve been abused so much, we’ve developed a relationship with the abuser.

QB Anonymous for us, I guess.

No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-

by BillWard on Dec 19, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

at least his picks are more like punts. When they make the pick there’s usually a guy right there to take him down.

by snowburnt on Dec 19, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

this is what I'm talking about

"And you can pass it to someone you never met, and let 'em get as high as you...you're eyes red as sh*t, mine too"

by Rekka on Dec 19, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

inventing reasons to be ok with the INTs

"And you can pass it to someone you never met, and let 'em get as high as you...you're eyes red as sh*t, mine too"

by Rekka on Dec 19, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

about half the INTs are bad throws — bad decisions. About 75% of those picks are bombs with no return that give the other team about as good field position as a punt. the rest 25% are horrible, but they happen even to the best QBs. the rest of the picks wouldn’t happen with a disciplined WR corps.

by snowburnt on Dec 19, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

because it's completely normal for teams to punt on 1st and second down?

"And you can pass it to someone you never met, and let 'em get as high as you...you're eyes red as sh*t, mine too"

by Rekka on Dec 19, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

I can see the logic if its 3rd and 27, and we heave up a bomb that gets picked off in traffic; however, when we do a flea-flicker on 1st down, and Moss beats his man, the throw should go for a TD, big gain, or an incomplete on an overthrow

by StephanHart on Dec 19, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

no, it’s not normal, was that implied?

I was providing a silver lining: at least Rex’s mistakes don’t lead to instant touchdowns. I’ve classified those additionally as bad decisions. When he’s thrown them it’s almost always been in double coverage where the coverage isn’t beat and he hasn’t lead the receiver away from pursuit, he’s usually lead down field right to where the safety is going.

My focus was on the 50% of total picks due to the WR corps either handing the ball over to the opposition or running an obviously wrong route and the ball going to where they should have been.

It’s pretty lame when a perfectly thrown ball gets tipped by an unfocused WR and the blame falls on the QB. Sure, at the time it’s acknowledged that they aren’t his fault, but it still goes on the QBs stats and everyone forgets that those picks weren’t his fault.

by snowburnt on Dec 19, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

How do you provide stats for that?

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by Parks Smith on Dec 19, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

half might be an exaggeration (especially after the Eagles debacle) but for his first 7 I’m sure only 3 were due to solid bad decision making by the QB.

by snowburnt on Dec 19, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that's the point

"And you can pass it to someone you never met, and let 'em get as high as you...you're eyes red as sh*t, mine too"

by Rekka on Dec 19, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

So the point is that because I can’t quantify something by they official score keeping I must be wrong? Hell they might even keep that stat, if you can show me where they keep deep stats like who tips balls, I can’t even find a stat to say how often CBs are thrown to.

It’s probably a stat that should be kept in any case, kind of like an ER vs non-ER in baseball.

by snowburnt on Dec 19, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

no

the point was that trying to put a specific number on it (75 and 50%) is crazy.

Yes, ALL of them weren’t his fault. You pointed out the immediate 3 that come to mind. But how many of them were intercepted when Rex should have made the smart play instead of trying to put it where it shouldn’t be?

Without knowing that, there’s no point in trying to put a specific number on them

"And you can pass it to someone you never met, and let 'em get as high as you...you're eyes red as sh*t, mine too"

by Rekka on Dec 19, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

you expect far too much

of these people for them to infer that much.

True, the specificity was uncalled for, it was more of what I felt from what I remembered. As I said, if I can find video of all of his picks I’ll put together a fan post.

I do remember from earlier in the season more than half weren’t his fault, yet they’re still in his total because of the way stats are kept.

by snowburnt on Dec 19, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Them you also

Should find out how many times he SHOULD HAVE BEEN intercepted. I remember at least two or three times this year when defenders dropped balls thrown right to them.
I understand not every turnover is Rex’s fault. But his career numbers indicate that he is the most turnover prone QB in th NFL. Which makes it hard to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Dec 19, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Stats are the problem

They don’t track QB interceptions that aren’t the QBs fault.

Do you blame Rex for the game ending pick versus the pats where Santana moss threw the ball up in the air after he had it?

Do you blame Rex for his picks in the Arizona game where 1- moss ran in where he should have ran out? Or when Armstrong was held and tipped the ball to the defender?

Those three plays come immediately to mind. I know there are more and if I can find video of all of his picks I’ll make a fan post for you.

If you accept those three as not being rex’s fault that makes his ratio 13:15. Far from perfect. again I’ll try to pull them up, but I recall making arguments (that weren’t refuted) that only 3 of his first 7 were due to him making a bad decision.

by snowburnt on Dec 19, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Do they show dropped balls by our WR? Cause that would back my claim that our guy’s aren’t the most disciplined group

by snowburnt on Dec 19, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

From my first post that started this tangent
the rest of the picks wouldn’t happen with a disciplined WR corps.

by snowburnt on Dec 19, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Well guess what? WRs in the NFL drop passes and run incorrect routes at times

A good QB puts the ball where only his receivers can make the catch, and recognizes broken plays and makes the best out of them.

We deserve better than Rex

by StephanHart on Dec 19, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

No arguments

I haven’t been happy with Rex, but I just don’t think he’s been given his due respect.

WRs shouldn’t drop passes that hit their hands, they do occasionally (Hicks yesterday) but they definitely shouldn’t run incorrect routes when they’re supposed to get the ball on a timing play. If they ran the play they should have they would have been there.

Conversely, to defend your point, a good QB would have seen the coverage and checked down. But we don’t know what would have happened if the WR had been where he should have been.

by snowburnt on Dec 19, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Silver linings are cool

we all cope in different ways.

I personally thought this “INTs are punts” thing was just a running joke during the gameday threads but seeing Ken put it up there made me do a double take because I really didn’t think people seriously believed it.

"And you can pass it to someone you never met, and let 'em get as high as you...you're eyes red as sh*t, mine too"

by Rekka on Dec 19, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s more of a tarnished lining, I don’t take it super seriously considering we could have just put Sav out there on the opening play every other drive, but it’s better than giving up pick-6s

by snowburnt on Dec 19, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I guess we can all agree that a long INT is better than 6 points for the other team

But aren’t completed passes or incompletions better than INT’s?

That was Rekka’s point: its crazy to be satisfied with Rex’s play. We’ve seen him make so many terrible throws that when he plays mediocre to good, we get excited

by StephanHart on Dec 19, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Winner!

But I didn’t set out to bash Rex all day after the beatdown of a divison rival so I’ll stow it

If this pops up again in the offseason tho…

"And you can pass it to someone you never met, and let 'em get as high as you...you're eyes red as sh*t, mine too"

by Rekka on Dec 19, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

WHAT A WIN!

I WANT A 7-9 FINISH. JASON REID YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT SHANAHAN SUCKING? WELL HERE’S SOME IMPROVEMENT FOR YA!

Redskins.

by Andrew DeFrank on Dec 19, 2011 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

Tell us how you REALLY feel.

Don’t hold it back next time.

No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-

by BillWard on Dec 19, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Draft order comes in distant second

That win was worth much more than whatever draft spots were lost. Let’s worry about off-season moves in the off-season. Let the Skins win every chance they get. Iggles game will be a lot of frustration-filled, hard-hitting fun. Can’t wait.

by 44ever on Dec 19, 2011 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

our offseason has already started about a month ago...

to be honest our off season started when shanahan said our only options at qb was beck or grossmen.. did you watch any of the 3 games beck started ??? it was like taking a knee every single snap!… shanahan put his rep on the line with those two qbs.. but really he just threw it off a cliff lol.. the good play you see now if from guys trying to keep their jobs or playing in a contract year… we are playing like we did in the pre season now.. but once they start to count again the depth issues and bad qbs will keep us right at 5-11 to 8-8 at best.

by munson21502 on Dec 19, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, that's completely backwards.

This past off season was fantastic, but there are only so many moves that can be made. Shanahan wasn’t really staking his reputation on his quarterbacks, that’s just media inference. I think he took a look at what was available on both sides of the ball in the draft and FA and decided to focus on defense. Look at how that payed off!

I guarantee this off season will be almost exclusively offense oriented with a few D moves for good measure. Next season I think the Redskins will be in the best shape they’ve been in for a long, long time. Regardless of their record I think they’ve played well this year despite their personnel. With almost complete lack of play makers they already looked better this season than for the past few. Even starting Beck, which led to their worst stretch, is a moot point since Rex had Pneumonia. If he wasn’t sick (which I think really led to Beck’s start) this season probably would look quite different now.

I can understand being pissed about constantly losing, but we as fans need to root for our team just as hard when they win. Shanahan, despite what you may think, does have a plan and I think he’s executed very well for the most part. I realize the moves they’ve made in the past have bred this line of thought, but don’t despair in the middle of the rebuild. This team is finally on the right path again and I for one am excited for the wins and REASONABLY hopeful for the future, which is something we haven’t been for a few years. Enjoy it.

by BurgundyEpidermis on Dec 19, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

no we are not....

our d was good before shanahan got here. the switch to 3-4 made it almost last. we get some guys to fit the 3-4 better so it looks better this year. but we have alot of trouble stpping the run when teams stick to it .. he is gonna have to make some really big splashes in FA plus be able to resign our good players. with next weeks win our chance at a qb in any round will be gone unless he trades up or drafts a 2nd round qb in the late first after a trade back.but ill have to hope he can pull it all off some how.. because win or lose ill always be a redskin fan. was just hoping to put another bad season to good use for a change.

by munson21502 on Dec 19, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Greg Blache's D was terrible.

The stats were misleading. He was bend throughout the entire game, and then break in the 4th quarter. His D forced no turnovers, and limited our player’s potential. This D is really good, and now we have two great pass rushers set for the next ten years, as well as a SS who isn’t a complete bust anymore, thanks to Haslett.

Skins rule

by Horcasitas4 on Dec 19, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

not to mention rating the defense by yards given up by itself is meaningless.

Our O left the D in the lurch so often with poor field position and lack of TOP it made the Defense look better than it was on paper…if that makes any sense.

by snowburnt on Dec 19, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

PUNCH YOURSELF IN THE FACE!!!!

by BurgundyEpidermis on Dec 19, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

The worst thing about us winning the game for me

was that I had Eli as my fantasy QB.

But that took a distant seat to the dominating win.

by snowburnt on Dec 19, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

roy helu

despite the lower yards per carry, he was getting me hyped all game with how hard he was running

As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*

by atark001 on Dec 19, 2011 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

is there a pic of his swollen eye around?

sounded like he looked pretty beat up after the game

by PJ_21 on Dec 19, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

i was looking for that too

warrior status

As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*

by atark001 on Dec 19, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Why were you banned?

Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.

by TerpsAllTheWay on Dec 19, 2011 11:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He wasn't banned, he made a bet w/ ThrowItDownBigMan about some game (Miami I think?)

And if he lost the bet (which he did) he couldn’t come back until the Skins won 2 games

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by Parks Smith on Dec 19, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

He wasn't really banned as such....

he lost a bet.

"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter

by MagicHat on Dec 19, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Love this...
By the way, if you’re one of those tools that is upset about the Skins winning because of draft position…PUNCH YOURSELF IN THE FACE!!!!

To quote Herm Edwards, “You play to win the game!”

by WestCoastHokie on Dec 19, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

you were missed H8

"And you can pass it to someone you never met, and let 'em get as high as you...you're eyes red as sh*t, mine too"

by Rekka on Dec 19, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

welcome back

I considered using my powers to grant you a Thanksgiving pardon (like the President, I pardon one turkey each year), but I never doubted for a second we would win two games and get you back here. This is the way you wanted it I am sure.

by Ken Meringolo on Dec 19, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Welcome back

But you know, we kinda played good while you were banned….

Just saying, cause and effect. If we lose this week, maybe you need to go on a permanent ban??

No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-

by BillWard on Dec 19, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Welcome Back!

I almost forgot this was your second win!

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Start a bet with him again to see if we can get rid of him

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by Parks Smith on Dec 19, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be cruel

if he lost again, he could be gone the entire offseason. No h8 for months on end.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

In that case, please bet with washingtonwin

Irony (n.) -Michael Westbrook as the hero on Bully Beatdown.

by Jim America on Dec 19, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

hahaha no one has the balls to bet with washingtonwin hmmm.....
WELL JIM

You can talk as stupid as your IQ is , but lets see WHO IS RIGHT hmmm , i predicted 4-12 from the begging of the season whats yours hmmm what was yours 10 wins hahaha that sounds about like your IQ . If i was you id be embarressed to be called jim america lol . Are you kin to captain america hmmm . Sorry i think im not going to argue with trash anymore like yourself because your nothing but a waste of skin .

by washingtonwin on Oct 26, 2011 11:04 AM EDT

Where is he now?

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by Parks Smith on Dec 19, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I use my skin to its utmost efficiency.

Irony (n.) -Michael Westbrook as the hero on Bully Beatdown.

by Jim America on Dec 19, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

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by Parks Smith on Dec 19, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Such a quality contribution

why would anyone want such a nice person gone?

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Where is he now?

Hopefully learning the proper use of punctuation. My head almost exploded reading that paragraph.

THE TWILIGHT SAGA: BREAKING DAWN, PART 1 – IN THEATERS NOVEMBER 18TH!!!!!

by iH8dallas on Dec 19, 2011 5:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He's a creacher from the deep, only comes up every couple of weeks to make a prediction

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by Parks Smith on Dec 19, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he's more like Cloverfield, just misunderstood

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by Parks Smith on Dec 19, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I make this place more interesting.

I bet the Skins will win their last two.

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by iH8dallas on Dec 19, 2011 5:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You certainly do.

And you could be right on winning the last two, so no bet. Though Philly has looked much improved also. I’ll be rooting hard for all the other teams near us in the draft order to win, so Washington can win and not lose draft position.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Seattle and Arizona are making moves.

I can’t believe Seattle is in the wildcard race.

THE TWILIGHT SAGA: BREAKING DAWN, PART 1 – IN THEATERS NOVEMBER 18TH!!!!!

by iH8dallas on Dec 19, 2011 5:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yes, I hope that Philly game is for a playoff spot.

Only for us to rip the rug out from under their feet. Mwahahahahahahahahahaha…breath…mwahahahahahahahahaha.

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by iH8dallas on Dec 19, 2011 6:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If Philly has no chance Week17 then there's no telling how they'll play

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by Parks Smith on Dec 19, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn. I want more football. The season seems so short.

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by caps&skins on Dec 19, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

we owned the packers and bears last year too

what did that get us??? yep u guessed it….. a 6-10 season with rex grossmen and john beck!!!

by munson21502 on Dec 19, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

"This is Walgreens calling, your Prozac prescription is ready."

Get out of here with that negative bullspit.

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by iH8dallas on Dec 19, 2011 6:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

It also netted us the 10th overall pick.

Which were traded into Ryan Kerrigan and nine additional picks. No offense but I’m gonna go with Shanahan over you on this. I’m looking forward to another great draft regardless of position.

by BurgundyEpidermis on Dec 19, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

agree with #1

…where you said that Giants fans are cocky. I live in NJ so I see it first hand, and there was just an assumption that they were going to win big yesterday. Not to mention every pregame show I watched yesteday had every analyst picking NY without thinking twice. And then Buck and Aikman went on the ENTIRE game about how the Giants were so great and failed to do this and gave away that – and gave zero credit to what the Redskins were doing. Hopefully this is just a sign of thigs to come where we keep beating quality opponents and stay under the radar

by DFett on Dec 19, 2011 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

Cocky? you kidding me?

we have the 30th ranked D in the league. if you think anyone of us have the audacity to be cocky in public, after watching the Seneca Wallaces of the world look like a young Dan Marino, you are sorely mistaken.

here’s the facts. we were in first place, and facing a team with 4 wins. so did we have some confidence that maybe our team could put it together for one game? yes, i think most of us did. not to mention the fact that we were home, and facing a Skins o-line with 3rd stringers. it seemed like finally the moons and planets were aligning for us, and we had hope. key word, hope. hope doesn’t make a fanbase cocky.

i don’t know the fans you encountered, so maybe they came off as some sort of way, but i as one of us can vouch that there was no amount of cocky, because to do so with the 2011 Giants, would be foolhearty. rant over.

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by wilddre22 on Dec 19, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

That's as solid 6 fer 6 in my book....

nice job Ken.

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by MagicHat on Dec 19, 2011 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

talk about the run setting up the pass

with our running game stepping up, the giants looked completely lost on coverage. helu had a big game, not inyards, but in having the giants off balance on the defense. Rex Grossman will be our starting QB next year and i can live with that. I know alot of people can’t stand to hear it, but he will be starting for us next year. you can’t throw a rookie into the fire, as we all should know.

by alleykatt1000 on Dec 19, 2011 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

what rookie?

2nd round project? or we gonna trade the farm to move up?. i rather start beck all year next year and go 0-16 then go 8-8 or with rex and a project qb on the bench plus still not have any young depth this year could set us back to the zorn era if shanny panics and trades away our picks to move up to get one of the top 3 guys. we had a 6 game losing streak this year.. 3 of them was because shanahan started beck. when u have a bad year like this you should be drafting high. but like always we finish strong and end up middle of the pack in the draft screwing us the next year. then the big name coach or the owner gets his panies in a bunch and makes dumb moves and over pays for FA and trys to trade up for players giving away our picks

by munson21502 on Dec 19, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

it happens every year in the NFL

the league has changed.

you can’t throw a rookie into the fire, as we all should know.

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by smutsboy1 on Dec 19, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

the league has changed....

But has Shanny? He is pretty old fashioned about throwing rookies into the fire.

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by MagicHat on Dec 19, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I like his method

he doesn’t sit them for a whole year and doesn’t throw them out there week 1 he lets them earn the way onto the feld

Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.

by jbh1190 on Dec 19, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

agree

"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 19, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

TW and RyKer

Both started day one. Maybe he’s turned a corner.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Dec 19, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

We didn’t really have any other options other than Trent, and Kerrigan was just ready.

I don’t see Shanny thinking his new QB is ready come week 1 but by golly I hope I’m wrong.

by travisjh86 on Dec 20, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

the giants are a bad team

that has a lucky year every 5 to 10 years. we are a good team that has bad luck every year.

by munson21502 on Dec 19, 2011 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

you're delusional.

"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 19, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

we are a good team....

we just need a good qb and depth.. something i thought we would get after this year. by shanahan anoucing rex and beck as our only option at qb. we woulda went 6-0 this year pretty easy with a better qb option. then injuries kicked in and our depth issues showed up. leaving us in a world of hurt.

by munson21502 on Dec 19, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, we are really hurting at QB

and our OL needs some help too but we’re improving under Shanahan.

by aFan4Life on Dec 19, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

the Giants make the playoffs almost every year and you call them Lucky

We finish in the bottom 12 every year and you called us unlucky

get off it.

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by smutsboy1 on Dec 19, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

how many games did we lose ovr the years from just bad fg kickers???? the giants won a superbowl from the other teams kicker missing a fg he hits 99 out 100 trys…

by munson21502 on Dec 19, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

how many games did we lose ovr the years from just bad fg kickers????

stop making excuses.

other teams miss FGs too. other teams get lucky & unlucky too.

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by smutsboy1 on Dec 19, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Not as many as us... Also we struggle to kickoff in bounds haha
other teams miss FGs too.

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by Parks Smith on Dec 19, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

wow

you going back into the vault to pull out our supposed luck? you’ve been saving that gem for 21 years munson!

fact: kickers miss kicks all the time. every week as a matter of fact. i’m sure percentages on pressure kicks go down also.

you guys won, and i congratulate you. but to now call us a lucky franchise? c’mon son.

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by wilddre22 on Dec 19, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Man it felt good to win again

I just can’t get enough of that winning crap. Hope we keep piling it on into next year.

Though after these wins things look especially rosey in redskin land, know that we are more than just a qb away from greatness. The road ahead is long and tumultuous, but at least its the right road.

The offseason will be interesting in a good way.

The Beat Box aka skins secondary.

by Al_CaPWNED on Dec 19, 2011 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

ST

Alexander was in beast mode too. He was in on nearly all ST tackles. I think he also got some time in on D at the end of the game. Hope to see him involved more, except in coverage.

HTTR!

by mkjo on Dec 19, 2011 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

I hate to break it to everyone, but I can't figure out if we played well yesterday or if the Giants just played really, really bad.

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by Parks Smith on Dec 19, 2011 12:34 PM EST reply actions  

If Nicks catches that first pass then I think the game would've been a totally different story

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by Parks Smith on Dec 19, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Shanny certainly had a giant bag of tricks to open the game.

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by Parks Smith on Dec 19, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I liked that aspect of the game

The flea-flicker to start out was a great play, taking advantage of the success of the delayed pitch to Helu that they have been running.

Moss was open, could have been a big gain if not for the underthrow and INT, classic Rex.

I also liked the reverse to Armstrong, nice play by him

by StephanHart on Dec 19, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

50/50

Have to acknowledge the fact that they didn’t show up. But we did our job and we kept the pressure on.

HTTR!

by mkjo on Dec 19, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

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by Parks Smith on Dec 19, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

yup

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by wilddre22 on Dec 19, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh it was definitely a little of both

Manning didn’t play well, and Hackeem Nicks dropped 2 TD passes.

What made the game was that early drop by Nicks after Rex threw the INT. In fact, the Giants were unable to capitalize on both of Rex’s early turnovers.

The Redskins played well, and played dominant D with the lead. Shows you how good this defense can be when they are playing with a lead.

by StephanHart on Dec 19, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Both

We played well, and they played bad because they looked down 95 and a buncha badass Braves on the Warpath headin their way.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Dec 19, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

skins really surprised me yesterday

talk about never giving up during a game. with that huge of a lead, i kept saying to myself…….it’s only a matter of time before the skins let the giants back in the game. but it never happened. everyone stepped up yesterday. sometimes that’s the way games go. nicks dropped 2 TD passes….wow. we flat out punished the giants. with so much on the line for them, there’s no way you come out and put on that type of performance!

by alleykatt1000 on Dec 19, 2011 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

that's what we're all saying today

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!

by wilddre22 on Dec 19, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Balanced Offense

Courtesy of Dan Graziano (ESPN Blogger):

The Skins are 5-1 this season when they run it at least 40 percent of the time.

by StephanHart on Dec 19, 2011 12:56 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

that means we run when we win. we run with a lead.

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by smutsboy1 on Dec 19, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Either that or

We keep the defense off balance by making them respect the run. I choose option two.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Dec 19, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I like option two as well

by travisjh86 on Dec 20, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Surprise surprise

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Dec 19, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I see what you did there Ken
Between that and watching the wheels come off of the Eli Manning bus, there was no shortage of joys that Redskins fans relished in yesterday

by willster on Dec 19, 2011 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

Great win!

I love that the team is playing with such heart and fighting to win even when the playoffs are no longer in reach as it shows that they are still hungry for wins. I hope they carry that attitude through the end of this season and into next season.

by aFan4Life on Dec 19, 2011 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

How Appropriate would it be

To actually win a ring with Rex? What have our previous QB winners done? Honestly not much. I think Joe’s leg was the most! I mean, who was our MVP during those years??? THE KICKER!! So we will see how it shakes up, but it will be a good christmas with a win, and we are guaranteed a January game this year!

by brettpedigo on Dec 19, 2011 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

"I'm so sad we lost..."

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by Parks Smith on Dec 19, 2011 3:58 PM EST reply actions  

He has to have the largest arm length:body ratio, its incredible

I was watching him yesterday….even when he gets down in a stance, he’s still almost standing up haha

by StephanHart on Dec 19, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

he's an animal

we’re gonna have some fun watching our young guys rush the QBs going forward(us and you guys i mean)

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Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!

by wilddre22 on Dec 19, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Does he have a kid

Or a little brother? If so, he left the he’s with the wrong shirt.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Dec 19, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

nah that's just manhood oozing out of his clothes

you can’t contain JPP’s manhood.

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!

by wilddre22 on Dec 20, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

QB Scouting from Wes Bunting:

“Going over #USC tape on Kalil, just see an average physically gifted QB in Matt Barkley, smart, natural feel, but see a “plus” Mark Sanchez"

by StephanHart on Dec 19, 2011 4:02 PM EST reply actions  

Does anyone know how to post a picture that I took myself

rather than just linking to a picture on the web? I want to post a picture of an autograph I don’t recognize, but can’t figure out how.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

Download it to a site like flickr or facebook and then post it like a normal pic

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by Parks Smith on Dec 19, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

But the autograph is that of Patrick Ramsey... it always turns out that way

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by Parks Smith on Dec 19, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

No, it's from the super bowl team

that lost to the raiders. Thought it was Gary Clark for years, but he wasn’t on the team then.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

For years?

You could’ve asked me years ago, I woulda told you.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Dec 19, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck draft position

that is all

West Springfield Spartans OUTSIDE LB #47
HTTR

by SpartanFS47 on Dec 19, 2011 5:50 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

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