Your 2012 Redskins Starting Offense
by rcboulter on Dec 15, 2011 5:02 PM EST
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PrintThe below is my ideal Redskins starting offense for 2012 which includes the draft and free agency. I believe Shanahan will take his QB in the first round in Barkley (assuming he enters). Any other starters will most likely have to be added in free agency.
WR1 - D.Bowe (FA-KC. Shanahan must give Barkley a No.1)
WR2 - Hankerson (could be in for a breakout season if Bowe is added)
Slot - Moss (still has gas left and could be deadly in the slot)
TE - Davis (re-signed - $ reduced a bit and with an opt-out clause due to the suspension. Still a top tier TE)
RB1 - Helu (the future)
RB2 - Hightower (the future's backup)
FB - Young (has done well this year. overtaking Sellers in the off-season is saying something)
QB - M.Barkley (draft-USC. Debatable if he's the No. 2 or 3 QB in the draft, but still light years ahead of Rex)
LT - Williams (good, not great, but hoping he improves in yr 3 and stays out of trouble)
LG - Lich (re-signed. OL wasn't the same when he went down)
C - Montgomery (re-signed. Knows the system)
RG - B.Grubbs (FA-BAL. Need help on the interior. Who better than one of the top OG)
RT - Brown**
**Brown needs to be replaced, but there isn't a lot talent at OT in FA. Plus, Shanahan will still need to address other positions in FA in the secondary. He could address the OT position in the 2nd round, but most likely anyone taken there won't be able to start right away. Hopefully someone on the bench steps up instead.
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ID RATHER SEE
RG3 our QB he is a better scrambler and he is a very good QB . He can make plays if someones are not open verses being a pocket QB like barkley not saying he is not a good QB because he is good , but rg3 is way better of a QB than barkley .
ID RATHER SEE
You could probably replace Barkley with RGIII. It’s really just going to come down on who Shanahan likes more. Whoever is drafted, I’m sure Redskins fans everywhere will rejoice.
RG3 VS barkley
All the talk and that is what it is,I think we could do good with RG3,yes ,he is a scrambler,something we have never had in a QB,but lets dont forget,he has a canon for a arm too.I watched him against my sooners,He really impressed me vs landry jones.has good leadership skills too.Now,you put him in the backfeild with helu,evan Royster,you have not 2 good backs but ,3.I say keep fred davis,yeah he screwed up,Put a suspension on him and williams too,make a statement,no tolerance,period.Og yes,is a problem,this has tobe addressed asap.We need depth on our Oline.and conditioning wouldnt hurt too,to bad Jack Lalane is gone,need to get the hogs back to hogging the line of scrimage,thats why they called us the HOGS!!Other than that,I say we are good to go,bring on 2012,HTTR
by Roy m Tillman on Dec 17, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
I
stopped reading after DBowe and Hankerson were listed as the 2 starters… What did your Madden game say about this lineup? hahahaha
"We're not here to try; we're here to win" - Brooks Laich
It's not that unreasonable.
"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I don't see the problem there.....
it is doable financially and makes sense. The only thing off about it is why Bowe would want to come here an whether Hankerson can recover from a somewhat serious injury!
At least "WE ARE" not Penn State!!!
I like your plan, and I can take either of the top 4 QB's(Luck, Jones, Barkley or RG3)
Glad to see a big named WR in your plans. I think that is very important.
As for 2nd round OT options(which I voted as our 2nd priority), I’ll give you 3 names, who I believe can actually come in and start right away:
Potter – OT Boise St
Adcock – OT Ok. St.
Sanders – OT Fl. St.
Here is a good 3rd round projection too:
Ben Jones – C Georgia(I actually think Jones will go mid to late 2nd)
Davis Molk – C Michigan
Cordy Glenn – G/T Georgia(guy is massive)
Crying Lion
Glenn does not make it to round three without doing something terrible at the combine like mountians of coke or murder
He has way too much upside
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 15, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
He brings that road grader element to the table that teams love hes gone round 2 at the latest
I see him between picks 26-50, which is a terrible range from a statisticians view
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 15, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
I like your plan
Shanahan needs to add a No. 1 WR in the off-season. Since a young QB needs some help, the big debate is whether to give him better protection or better weapons. I say, why not both? If we can draft an OT in round 2, capable of starting, that would be great. We’d miss on a potential No. 1 WR in the same round, but don’t think any would even be available. To fill that, Shanahan must look at free agency. Bowe, amongst others like DJAX, VJAX, & Colston will be out there.
I dont think we get Bowe without overpaying for him
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 15, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
I like the player but am tired of reaffirming the precedents of Cerrato
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 16, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
You can't stay away from all high priced FAs just because of past mistakes
As long as they stay within the cap I don’t care if Snyder overpays. It’s not my money so as long as there’s a lot of performance based incentive in there why does it matter?
A quality WR would be a huge help for any rookie QB they are likely to draft.
if they overpay for a player it is a bad move...it has nothing to do whether it is your money or not
if they overpay then they have less for other players who might be good
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 16, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone overpays in FA
It has to be done to get the better players. Would you not say at the time that they overpaid for Bowen and Cofield in the last offseason?
The market for the player sets the price so if the coaches decide he could be a key contributor then I think it’s worth paying a little over the odds for a young and talented player as long as the moneys not stupidly high.
There are more downsides to FA than just over paying.
"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
that's the problem though
with receivers it is stupidly high. No way any of these guys are worth $10 million + a year. Just b/c another team is willing to pay that price doesn’t mean the Skins should.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 16, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
that's the problem though
It’s true, someone like D.Bowe might not be worth $10 mil/yr, so you would count him out then. If that’s the case, what FA WR do you think is worthy?
that's the point no free agent receiver is worth that price
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Im more concerned with stunting the deverlopment of a younger player for a free agent
Its happened this year, why have david anderson and Stallworth seen any snaps? They arent part of the future, Niles Paul has a shot and Aldrick Robinson should get a chance
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 16, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
You can't stay away from all high priced FAs just because of past mistakes
A quality WR worthy of a No. 1 would help tremendously for a rookie QB and I just don’t see Shanahan being able to draft one in the next draft. If not the draft, then FA.
No, you stay away from high priced free agents because their expensive
they never out play their contract, and many times they’re just looking for a pay day.
"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Dwayne Bowe is a coward
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIr-u-svXZ8
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
yeah not worth the money
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 15, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Great argument!
Let’s overpay for a talented coward. Brandon Lloyd 2.0 but a FA..
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
I prefer Bowe to Llyod in every way, but think we should focused on drafting and developing rookies
not buying shinny new toys for Danny to play on Madden
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 16, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
Im concerned about Colston's health
I also dont trust our medical staff here I havent heard good things, and that adds to my worry about a player who may struggle to stay out on the field
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 16, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
"coward"?
chill with the hyperbole
"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
He shied away from a pretty routine catch because of potential contact that could have iced the game.
His behavior was cowardly on that play. Watch the link and tell me I’m wrong.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
We have more important needs then spending 12 mil per YR on a guy that has only 2 season of over 1000 YDs.
We have two guys on the roster in Paul and Hank that have similiar size and potential. Let’s talk about WRs after we get a QB, OT, OG, C, CB, DE, etc
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
Agree with your OTs completely
3 good names. None of these guys are superstar players, but they’d all be immediate upgrades and we’d be able to snag 1 in the 2nd. Adcock and Potter are my favorites, although I haven’t had a chance to watch them extensively.
Sanders and Potter are more athletic so they will probably be more likely targets for Shanny
they also have some potential at LT, so if Trent were to get suspended again, they could take over.
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umm since he was a guard in JC I don't think he did
I like Adcock, but he doesn’t have the athleticism of the other two
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 16, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
First you were high on Adcock(early part of season)
You had him as a 1st rounder. Then you went cold on him, and I can’t figure out why. Then he goes on to make 3 AA teams, and has a good season, and you back on him again. What gives?
Crying Lion
how did I go cold on him?
I dropped him from late first round to mid-late 2nd round. I would hardly call that ‘going cold’. I though Sanders passed him this year and I think while Adcock is the better tackle prospect, Potter is the better ZBS prospect.
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Wait...............back the truck up
although I agree on Potter 100%, you were never high on the guy. 3rd round I think was were you had him last dime this was discussed. You were all up on Adam’s jock, yet I don’t here a mention of him now.
Crying Lion
I have Potter in the early 3rd round range overall (roughly 10 spots behind Adcock)
but I think Potter is a better ZBS guy.
Adams still remains my top senior tackle, but he wasn’t in this discussion so I didn’t bring him up. I didn’t bring up Ricky Wagner, Barrett Jones (who I now believe can stick at tackle long term), D.J. Fluker or anyone else either.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 17, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Fluker isn't going anywhere
of at least that’s my opinion.
You at one time had Adams as a 1st rounder. Is that still the case?
Crying Lion
I still say he's top 40
He could be a late 1st rounder, and is obviously more likely if some of the tackles like Wagner, Fluker etc. stay in school
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b/c it's more than just one season and there are a number of other factors involved
talent, potential, size etc. Also I don’t think this season is near as bad as you make it out to be.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 18, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
agreed, I voted for OT as the 2nd priority too
and I like the idea of picking up a center or guard in the 3rd.
Cordy Glenn
Now,thats something to think about.New England has that big ass receiver,you know,the one that harrinton tried to tackle,lets do the same thing with Glenn,I can remember,when we had 2 tightends,that ruled the oline.You could throw to either one and get some yardage.
by Roy m Tillman on Dec 17, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Cordy Glenn is a 330 lbs Tackle (likely guard in the NFL)
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Everyone’s got their opinion on a WR they prefer, but we’re talking about the selection in free agency. I think Hankerson excels in year two. Always got Moss too.
WR'S ......
I would rather see how things go with Hankerson , and Paul . Moss would be great in the slot , like Wes Welker is .
WR'S ......
Hankerson is promising. He could probably put up crazy numbers if there was an addition of another WR to take off some pressure.
the Skins need another receiver, but finding one in free agency is quite pricey
WR’s are among the highest paid positions, and their impact would be minimal.
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the Skins need another receiver, but finding one in free agency is quite pricey
I think due to the Redskins track record in FA, fans are almost scared to add anyone in FA. Normally, I would agree, but we have a different regime in place now and those days are over. It has already been proven by the latest FA additions like Wilson, Coefield, Bowen, & Atogwe – not big names, not big contracts, but fit the defense.
I think the same mentality should apply, but just to the WR position. If Shanahan is going to draft a young QB, he’s going to need a reliable weapon – think CIN with Dalton/Green. The Redskins will not be that fortunate to draft a starting QB and No. 1 WR in the same draft. Hankerson has the potential to be that guy, but has yet to be proven. We all know Moss & Gaffney are not No. 1’s.
If Shanahan can’t find one in the draft, then he must look at FA. Fans don’t want to overpay for a diva and I agree, it’s just that a WR needs to be added in FA, whoever that may be can only be decided by Shanahan.
receivers just aren't worth the price, you can get a stud caliber guard and a really good center for the price of a Bowe or Jackson
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 16, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
me too!
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 16, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Moss
What do you mean,moss is not a number one threat?Thats BS!hes the only one,that can go deep,not to mention score on anyone that he lines up against,what planet have you been living on>?:You better check your crysatl ball dude,moss is a all pro!
by Roy m Tillman on Dec 17, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Moss is a good WR but....
not a true #1. Is he our #1…yes…and he has been for a while….but he isn’t a true #1. Moss isn’t a deep threat like he used to be. When is the last deep ball you can clearly remember him getting?
At least "WE ARE" not Penn State!!!
I agree with shvd
Moss is our #1 by default, and he is no longer at that level in the NFL anymore. There are not many teams that he would be a #1 on.
Crying Lion
your outta here
davis is gone dont count on him shanny does not want a doper on the team remember he wants high character guys on the team remember shanny
lohaus #54
your outta here
I agree. I guess I just don’t trust Cooley to stay healthy anymore. If Davis goes, who’s a good replacement for him? It’d be important since the TE position is vital.
Truthfully
I don’t think we can afford to let Davis go. Also, if Shanny tries to make a statement with Davis, he’ll be forced to trade TW, because we all know double standards are not tolerated.
Crying Lion
ouch true
but how can we afford to let anyone with talent go? Then again how can we afford to let them stay and be a bad example?
People make bad decisions
hopefully they can learn, and become better people fro it. We signed Stallworth, and we all know what he did in the past.
Smoking weed, and vehiclular manslaughter are two different animals.
Crying Lion
People make bad decisions
You never know with Shanahan on how he feels about something. Obviously he’s disappointed, but I’m hoping he keeps Davis around. It’s just weed. I’d probably feel differently if the Redskins were playing for a playoff spot while being suspended though.
I think the Stallworth signing is ridiculous for the record
I cant think of anything positive about it
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 16, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
We did not pay him much
and it truned out we needed him this season.
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
For what? I get that he isnt well paid but would you rather have him taking snaps or Niles Paul?
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 16, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
no but I think there
is a reason paul is not taking snaps. look, I think Shnnys methodology is not to start young until they are ready. He obviously feels paul is not ready.
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
He starts who he thinks is the best player even if he is wrong
Paul from most reports works his ass off in practice and was great at camp, I dont think he has the greatest upside in the world but I would much rather start him and find out then start the mediocre stallworth or anderson.
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 16, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
I would too
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
Paul, while called a WR, often is more of a hybrid TE-WR. Most TEs are not as fast as
Paul. Quinn had good speed in his combines, but did not receive that many passes with the Gulls.
It remains to be seen what he can do beyond blocking.
by Jefferson1935 on Dec 16, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
Actually Paul has really good upside
There were reports out of Nebraska that Paul consistently schooled Prince Amakamuraryiriaa in practice and that if Nebraska was more balanced on offense he would have had more catches and been drafted higher. Also he’s been hurt for much of the second half of the season with turf toe.
I want to get high, so high. I want to get high, so high. Sleepy, Silverback, and I are going to roll a blunt if anyone wants to join us.
by 64ShagginWagon on Dec 17, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Hand size won't matter until....
we have a QB with a rocket. They may not help him be a #1….but he can surely fill a role on this team….especially with his ability to block as a wr in the run game.
At least "WE ARE" not Penn State!!!
However, it wouldn't be a double standard.
Davis is a FA TE who Shanny didn’t draft. After this season, we are no longer committed or obligated to him, barring a new contract.
Trent is the franchise LT, Shanny’s first draft pick as a Redskin, the 4th overall selection with $30 million+ invested in him. A very different story.
This team is tied to and committed to Trent, not Fred Davis.
exactly
also Cooley’s presence buys you a year or two.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 16, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
You realize we don't have many offensive playmakers on this team
and you want to let one of our only ones slip away to FA?
Crying Lion
Pretty good plan, but RT needs to be fixed.
Can’t go in with Brown again.
Can’t go in with no depth again.
"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
It's very hard to pick in that poll...we need all of them.
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We need all of those choices!
I went OT though, simply because the thought of going into 2012 with four of the five guys westarted with this year scares the bejeezus out of me. Keeping TW and KL I can live with but the rest are not starting caliber. Montgomery gets pushed back in the run game far too much and Jamaal Brown is way over the hill. Kepp them around as backups if need be as they know the system (although Brown is on big $ I think) but we must gert better on OL!
by JD For Breakfast on Dec 16, 2011 1:00 PM EST reply actions
We need all of those choices!
I agree with you, but you know we can’t replace everyone. We wish we could.
Enough about Bowe
Ok. People are concentrating on the addition of Bowe and what that will take. I’m not saying that Bowe is the only WR that the Redskins should look at. There are others. I chose Bowe because I feel that he has the least amount of downside. DJAX has concussion issues and is a trouble maker like VJAX, Colston has injury history plus Brees throws him the ball. So if not Bowe, then who?
What I’m saying is that a No. 1 WR needs to be added to not only give the rookie QB some help, it will allow Kyle to widen his playbook, and it could also provide more opportunities for the other WR’s.
We all know Moss or Gaffney are not No. 1 WR’s. Some are content with Hankerson being that guy. I want him to fill that role, but I can’t justify that with him having one good game.
okay but look at Bowe, you say that number 1 receivers have some major impact
yet the Chiefs passing attack has been pathetic. Even last year with their playoff run, they relied on their running game, not Bowe and the passing attack.
Guys like Vincent Jackson, D. Jackson, etc. seem to have a bigger impact b/c they are on great teams, but even with Jackson out nearly the entire season last year, Floyd missing some time, and Gates injured, the Chargers had one of the leagues top passing attacks.
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Cassel hasn't been healthy this year.....
Orton got hurt on his first drive and he has Tyler Palko throwing to him now. That whole team has been out of sink yet he is still on pace for 1000 yards!
At least "WE ARE" not Penn State!!!
by shvd98z24 on Dec 16, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yes his numbers are good, but his impact on the team isn't that high
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Than does this season bring down some....
of the value he gained from last season? He hasn’t had an impact…but their QB play has sucked….Charles has been gone…..they lost their young defensive leader early on. I can’t hate on anyone relying on Palko to get them stats!!!!
At least "WE ARE" not Penn State!!!
he's had Cassel for 9 of 13 games
but even last year the chiefs won mainly b/c of their running game not Bowe
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So Bowe had less to do with....
there successful running game than the running game had to do with Bowe’s numbers? It’s possible….but the 2 go hand in hand. If you don’t like him…just say so. He is a talent though. I am not even saying I want him here…..but I don’t think you can discount what he brings to the table. He has always been a streaky player…that’s why some of the comparisons to Brandon Lloyd have come up. He is still a superior talent on the outside to anything we have that is verifiable! We have yet to see what kind of production Hankerson and Paul can maintain. Armstrong has disappeared. We know what Moss can do…..but we need him to be doing it from the slot….consistently.
At least "WE ARE" not Penn State!!!
no i'm saying Bowe's numbers had less to do with the Chiefs winning games last season
I don’t see how we can afford to pay a guy $12 million, for limited value to our chances of winning. A stud receiver is like getting leather seats in your car. It’s nice, makes things more comfortable etc., but in the end it’s not necessary.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 16, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough.....
I will agree with it as far as us not having the luxury of spending that kind of money….but I still disagree about what he meant to that team last season…..he had 15 touchdowns….period. He had almost a TD a game for that team…and I know the threat of J.Charles helped him….but I also know the threat of him helped Charles! Think about it like this……who was the last 15+ TD Skin? Stephen Davis in 1999…..imagine that season without him. To put it in even more context…..NO REDSKINS RECEIVER has ever had a 15 TD season….there are 4 tied at 12…..Hugh taylor in 52’, Charley Taylor in 66’, Jerry Smith in 67’, and Ricky Sanders in 88’.
At least "WE ARE" not Penn State!!!
All of us spin at some point.....
I enjoy these kinds of conversations actually. I try to stay open-minded and sometimes these covos convert me. You have converted me on a few things as well as others on here from these same posts…..sometimes it gets done ugly, sometimes civil.
Till…..what QB camp are you officially in right now? I have moved from L.Jones to Barkley based on how Barkley has done the the last month +. I like RGIII but am concerned a bit on size (not that Barkley has it). His body type seems pretty close to Vick and he gets hit hard and doesn’t always walk away from it. However….I know he is an intelligent kid whom would prolly see the benefit in developing a good slide sooner into his career. I still like Jones as well but was hoping to see him stay improve a little on last seasons numbers or at least stay the same. The regression scares me a little but I love the size and arm strength.
At least "WE ARE" not Penn State!!!
Man, that's a great question
If I had to draft today, before bowl games, combine and pro days, I think(and I’m still torn), I may actually go RG3, with Jones being a close 2nd. All that being said, I’d still be damn happy with Barkley.
Crying Lion
And shvd
your 100% right. 15 TD’s and over a 1000 yards as a WR is monsterous! Bowe is a nightmare as a WR, and has been so for a while now.
Steveo see’s no value in WR’s, so arguing with him is like arguing Deism with the Pope.
Crying Lion
didn't you already have a post where it was proven that WR's don't have the value that you are implying?
and there you didn’t even want to look at money, as if you could separate them.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 17, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
No
my post proved my point towards QB’s and WR’s over O-Linemen.
Not sure what your talking about. Can you link me the post please?
Crying Lion
how did it prove that?
esp. since you didn’t actually prove that, since you down played numerous strong o-lines and propped up some bad ones.
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I didn't downplay and prop up anyone
Told it like it is, and you didn’t like the results, so you ran back to your darling PFF……………which now, is basically all you have left.
Crying Lion
Really?
B/c you said Brian Waters was old and replacement level, and in addition to just watching the games that proved that wrong, PFF (which is an industry leading source), ESPN, and numerous newspapers said otherwise. Bill Belicheck himself said that Waters was playing the best this season.
If you even attempted to do any research you’ll see that local reporters in the cities that follow these teams would tell you that you are wrong.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 18, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Of course there is a reciprocal effect of the running game and WR
and I’m not saying Bowe isn’t a red zone threat. But you need to get to the red zone for him to get TD’s, which is where the running game comes in. While those 15 TD’s are impressive they are well above his other career numbers (in the two and a half seasons prior he only had 15 total), and his YPC is down a bit from last year, but is still his 2nd career best.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 17, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I would take a WR w/....
30 TDs over 3 years. I understand your argument about the money….as I said….I wouldn’t want one of our players being discounted like that for his performance on the field. I will say that there generally isn’t a good transition at the WR position for whatever reason. A few have made it happen but it seems more often….it’s an Ochocinco type situation. We tried it w/ B.Lloyd, the Cowpies did it w/ R.Williams. WR FA is a scary proposition for us given our history but so is the draft. However, we undeniably need a #1 to get on this team or to emerge….we can’t clone….at some point…a risk will have to be taken one way or another!
At least "WE ARE" not Penn State!!!
i just think you probably need to wait another year for a WR
and given the crazy free agent price tags, I’d rather find that WR through the draft.
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Didn't we draft 3 WR's in 2011?????
Maybe getting rid of Stallworth and Gaffney, and adding a good FA WR would really help this team……………….ever think of that?
Crying Lion
You have limited money (a good chunk of change but a ton of holes to fill or players to resign)
why spend over 25% of it on a single player (yes you could back load the contract but to do so drastically is bad for the longterm success of this team. Even modest backloading would have a star WR account for 15%-20%).
I’m talking about possibly using a 1st round pick (based on what other needs) next year.
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by Steve Shoup on Dec 18, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
my guess is he won't want to come to the Redskins given his previous experience
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Not that I want him
But shanny considering it wouldn’t surprise me. Seems like a shanny thing to do lol
Shanny is an old coach and he makes personnel decisions in an outdated fashion
So unfortunately you may be right
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 16, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
I know you're trying to make a joke
But, read the title of this post. You fail!
Not sure what a fg icker is
Never wanted an icker on my team anyways. I think we’ll be okay next ear. But I think I have an infection in this ear.
I want to get high, so high. I want to get high, so high. Sleepy, Silverback, and I are going to roll a blunt if anyone wants to join us.
by 64ShagginWagon on Dec 17, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Something to throw out there
We should ask ourselves this question. How much does the current talent level contribute to “not having a true #1 receiver” and having to replace certain offensive linemen? Now, I am on the boat that we need an upgrade in talent and depth in many places, but how bad are we off when we get down to it? I think its an impossible task to answer simply because we are so desperately in need of a QB. Smart, quick and decisive QB play dramatically changes, or hides, many deficiencies IMO.
there's no doubt it doesn't hurt, but we aren't bringing in Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees
we are going to be bringing in a young guy who won’t (and shouldn’t) have to hide the deficiencies of the rest of the offense. Look at Sam Bradford, what deficiencies is he hiding?
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I think that offensively we are one of the worst teams in football, our best players are marginal at best
TWill Davis and Helu are the best we have and they arent close to being top tier players at this point in time
by alwaysremember21 on Dec 19, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
oh i agree
most of our guys wouldn’t even be starting on other teams, and those that could (basically the ones you mentioned and maybe Moss and Hank) only have a handful of teams they’d start on.
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