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Redskins 2012 Mock Draft

As we all know, the play-offs are long gone now. It was disappointing to see us start so well before crashing and burning, our bad luck with injuries and a QB controversy didn’t help matters and may have been a catalyst for this, but the bottom line is we aren’t Super Bowl bound yet.

Being an optimist I don’t think these last 12 weeks haven’t been wasted, regardless of our record at the end of the season. I think Shanahan and Bruce Allen had a great off-season starting with one hell of a draft. Unearthing potential starters on each day of the draft, even more impressive when you consider that they made that draft limited picks.

Even so, there is still building to be done as we have holes across the roster.

If I was the little angel sat on Bruce Allen’s shoulder, this is what I would be whispering on Draft Day…

*On current draft position of 7th Overall*

Round 1, Pick 7: QB Robert Griffin III, Baylor

Height: 6’2

Weight: 220

40 Yard: 4.40-4.50

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If you haven’t heard about RG3 you need to crawl out from whichever rock you’ve been hiding under. He has ridiculous Arm Strength, Accuracy, Mechanics all the right intangibles and all in the body of an Olympic Hurdler… And I thought Andrew Luck was supposed to be the perfect QB prospect?

Round 2, Pick 39: CB Casey Hayward, Vanderbilt

Height: 5’11

Weight: 188

40 Yard: 4.45-4.55

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Casey Hayward is one of the best kept secrets in this draft, he routinely shuts down the best receivers in the best conference in college football, has genuine ball hawking skill and is a sure tackler. He isn’t an athletic specimen, but he is a Gamer and I think he’s going to be a top notch Corner.


Round 3, Pick 71: OG Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin

Height: 6’4

Weight: 315

40 Yard: 5.10-5.30

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Kevin Zeitler is next off the production line at Wisconsin, a College renown for producing top quality offensive lineman, A bill that he certainly fits. He has prototypical size and strength, good athleticism and could be a day one starter.

Round 4, Pick 103: RT Mitchell Schwartz, California

Height: 6’6

Weight: 318

40 Yard: 5.28

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Mitchell is the younger brother of Geoff Schwartz who was a starting Guard for the Carolina Panthers. He differs from his brother because he is leaner and more athletic; he has great feet and all the strength you would expect from a man of his size. Given some time to develop he could be a starting RT

Round 4, Pick 116: WR AJ Jenkins, Illinois

Height: 6’0

Weight: 190

40 Yard: 4.40-4.50

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If I had to compare AJ Jenkins to a current NFL receiver, I would say Reggie Wayne. He has good size, good athleticism, good hands and runs crisp routes, I think he has the skill set to start in this league.

Round 5, Pick 135: RB Tauren Poole, Tennessee


Height: 5’10

Weight: 215

40 Yard: 4.45-4.55

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Tauren Poole and the Tennessee Vols had a down year which has caused his draft stock to fall, that’s great news for us! Tauren Poole possesses prototypical size, a low centre of gravity with good thickness and musculature throughout his body. He runs low, cuts well, is elusive and rarely goes down on first contact. He also has good burst for a bigger back. A good comparison would be Ahmad Bradshaw.

Round 6, Pick 167 ILB Chris Galippo, USC

Height: 6’2

Weight: 250

40 Yard: 4.65-4.85

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He failed to meet the lofty expectations of being an over hyped USC Linebacker, but still has some potential. He has good triangle numbers and athleticism, is a solid tackler, and is instinctive in pass coverage. He is a developmental prospect who will at the least contribute on special teams where he has excelled in college.

Round 7, Pick 199: RB/KR Jeff Demps, Florida

Height: 5’7

Weight: 191

40 Yard: 4.25-4.35

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This kid is electric, anybody who can break the 10-second barrier in the 100m is worth a 7th round pick in my mind, truly world-class athleticism. He is by no means powerful, but is not as weak as you’d think and is actually heavier then Percy Harvin. He is a low risk high reward pick and could be dynamite as a kick returner.

Let me know what you guys think!

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by Parks Smith on Dec 1, 2011 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

I wasn't sure of his value?

I’ve seen him valued anywhere between a late 1st and a 4th round pick…

If we can get him in the 3rd or the 4th then he would be a massive steal!

Beck to the future!

by The Shanaplan on Dec 1, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Any plan that doesn't involve OL with the 2nd round pick is automatically vetoed.

Sorry.

We simply have to start drafting OL with our first two picks whenever possible.

Third rounders won’t cut it.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 1, 2011 11:40 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

fixed

Third rounders won’t cut it block

Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.

by jbh1190 on Dec 1, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Zeitler's fine and he could probably beat out all of our incumbents for the guard job

the real issue is not taking a tackle since I don’t know where else you find one.

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 1, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Jamaal Brown was a first round pick

Or maybe we should draft Ryan Kalil and start Rex Grossman or John Beck next year?

Beck to the future!

by The Shanaplan on Dec 1, 2011 12:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

BOOM!

I can’t stop reading this. Smutsboy1’s comment was nonsense because everyone knows how badly we need a qb and how great this qb class will be.

But this! This… what about Jammal Brown… what are you saying? What?

by sofutomygaha on Dec 1, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the feedback

Haha, I was just trying to prove how flawed his logic is… He’s saying we need a 1st or 2nd round tackle, Jamaal Brown already was a 1st round Tackle

Beck to the future!

by The Shanaplan on Dec 1, 2011 1:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think he’s saying we need someone who plays well, and that the good linemen are almost always 1st and 2nd rounders. I don’t think he means that all 1st rounders are good linemen (although Jamarcus Russell is available, and he definitely has the size…)

by sofutomygaha on Dec 1, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't be dense.

1. I said SECOND ROUND pick. Meaning we use the first on a QB.

2. I don’t have some theory that a guy, any guy, including an older injured one (Jammal Brown) will automatically be good if he’s drafted in the first round.

I’m saying that we need more elite linemen. AT LEAST one more. We have ignored OL for most of the last decade. Our OL sucks and has no depth.

This is not coincidence.

Drafting CB over OL is a terrible idea.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 1, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I can agree with you on that

but the particular players available at your draft slot do have to come into play. We’ll see what kind of value there is at OL when our second round pick comes up.

by sofutomygaha on Dec 1, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but if you do that every year, you can end up neglecting an area of major need.

Such as the offensive line.

Obviously no ridiculous reaches, but at some point the plan has to be to restock the OL.

One top 10 pick every 10 years isn’t going to get it done.

Let’s draft the next Jon Jansen (2nd round)

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 1, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

+1000,000

“Let’s draft the next Jon Jansen (2nd round)”

by aFan4Life on Dec 2, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

My bad,

I misinterpreted what you said about the first two picks

I agree with you completely about adding more elite linemen, or even good linemen!

The reason why I chose a CB in the second round is because the area is so stacked this year, so that we’d be getting the most value out of our pick

I also believe Zeitler in the third round would have the same impact as an OT taken in the second, and I took Mitchell Schwartz in the fourth who looks like he needs some time to develop, but could be a long term starter.

This is what my vision of next years line would look like

LT: Trent Williams
LG: Kevin Zeitler
C: Kory Lichtensteiger
RG: Ben Grubbs
RT: Sean Locklear

Locklear is the stop-gap at RT until Mitchell Schwartz or Willie Smith can develop enough to start, or until we draft another Tackle.

I know a lot of people aren’t too high on Locklear, but he would be an upgrade from Jamaal Brown and if nothing else, he can pass protect (which would be handy for keeping RG3 alive)

Licht who was our best interior lineman this year would be moved back to his natural position of Centre (providing he rehabs from his injury sufficiently)

Which would leave Will Montgomery, Chris Chester, Willie Smith and Mitchell Schwartz as our back ups.

Beck to the future!

by The Shanaplan on Dec 2, 2011 4:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Carl Nicks is another option at RG

Beck to the future!

by The Shanaplan on Dec 2, 2011 5:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Grubbs or Nicks are hitting the market

great young linemen rarely do.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 2, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

The good news is both the Ravens and the Saints have a ton of free agent concerns this year

and both just gave big money to another interior lineman. It’s not easy to pay two interior linemen at a premium rate, especially with so many other big name players on the team. Maybe one gets locked up but my guess is at least one is on the open market.

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 2, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

The reason why I chose a CB in the second round is because the area is so stacked this year, so that we’d be getting the most value out of our pick

I understand the logic, but IMO the needs at OL are so dire that we have to start drafting it unless there is truly nobody worth taking.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 2, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

No everyone doesn't know how great the QB class will be.

Actually nobody knows how good this QB class will be. Luck will be solid maybe great and the rest will be complete busts. Landry Jones will be an all time bust if he is taken top 5. RG3 will be fun to watch until he is hurt. Barkley is the only one who i can’t figure out.

When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.

by Jeff Bernard on Dec 2, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Jamaal Brown was

a pro bowl caliber T his first 5 yrs in the NFL. then he got hurt, traded …and you know the rest

When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey

by Redskin44 on Dec 1, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

he isn’t young any more.

by aFan4Life on Dec 2, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

and he had 5 good years with N.O (which is considered a success)

and he didn’t say to not take a QB, he said we need a tackle with the 2nd rounder.

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 1, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

disagree

QB in rd is Ok, the CB in round 2nd I replace with T or C

When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey

by Redskin44 on Dec 1, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice work! but I have a few critiques

1. I like Casey Hayward a lot but I think he’s more of a 3rd round guy. If he sneaked in at the bottom or round 2 that is one thing, but for where the Skins are drafting I’m sure there will be better corners on the board.

2. Schwartz is a nice prospect, but he does need some developmental time. While the Skins need a plug and play guy for RT (which is why typically they will need to grab their tackle in the 2nd round). Some 3rd and 4th round options that I like over Schwartz- Nate Potter, Jeff Allen, Matt McCants, Brandon Mosley.

3. A.J. Jenkins- That’s a really good value pick there, and I do really like him. But i think the Redskins need to either add size or big time speed here (note- I’d make an exception for Ryan Broyles if he is on the board). While this is a fine pick, my guess is there’d be some other options for the Skins.

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 1, 2011 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks for your feedback!

1. I’m starting to think I overvalued him a tad…

2. I’ve saved the 3rd round for Kevin Zeitler, I think he will be a huge upgrade to our line.

3. If you look at the Packers WR corp, all of them are smaller then Jabar Gaffney and slower then Leonard Hankerson (statistically)

I agree about Ryan Broyles though

Beck to the future!

by The Shanaplan on Dec 1, 2011 12:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Anytime!

A CB to look at in the 2nd/3rd round range is Jonathan Banks from Miss. State. HUGE upside, I’d love to find a way to get that kid on the team.

I loved the Zeitler pick as well, but the tackle market gets so bare, and it is a bigger need since we really don’t have anything there, that it has to be a priority. Now Maybe the Skins trade back in the 2nd round and pick up a late 3rd, taking a corner in the 2nd and grabbing a tackle like Allen in the late 3rd. Or maybe they trade their early 4th and 5th rounder to move into the late 3rd to get a tackle. For me they have to find someone who can reasonably start day one.

I agree with you about the Packers (though Jordy Nelson is 6’3"), but they are more the exception than the rule. And given our RZ struggles I think having that tall physical receiver is key.

One final point. I’m glad you included a RB as i think we need to give Helu some help. I’m not a huge fan of Poole’s but i’ll hold some judgement there until the all-star games and Combine.

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 1, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah Jonathan Banks is a beast, as is Xavier Rhodes from FSU… The reason why I didn’t mock either of those two is because they are Juniors and with how deep this years draft is with CBs, they would be better served entering the draft next year as potential 1st round picks.

What would you think about picking up someone like Braylon Edwards in Free Agency? He has had a down year so he should be available for a reasonable price, and if he plays up to his potential he would be worth every cent.

Yeah a strong committee is the way to go, I just thought Poole was well balanced and creative. He doesn’t have a great line in front of him, but whenever he is given a crease he looks dangerous. He seems to cut really well for someone of his size and breaks a hell of a lot of tackles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1R0874cNHw – Tauren Poole vs Oregon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOKc2PXej2w – Tauren Poole vs Alabama

Beck to the future!

by The Shanaplan on Dec 2, 2011 5:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I've heard the Shannys are working on this play, we may see it this week

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by Parks Smith on Dec 1, 2011 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

I thought he already called one?

Against the 49ers?

Beck to the future!

by The Shanaplan on Dec 1, 2011 12:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I like demps at 7

I have different hopes

When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey

by Redskin44 on Dec 1, 2011 12:21 PM EST reply actions  

Definitely

Even with the injury affecting his stock, still don’t think he’ll get out of the 3rd round, he’d be great value in the fourth

Beck to the future!

by The Shanaplan on Dec 1, 2011 12:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Broyles is def. a wild card right now

a lot will depend on his medicals. Right now I’d say he goes in the 4th (though def. possible before us). I could see some team with some extra picks (Patriots, Bears, Eagles) taking him in the 3rd, since they can afford to be more patient, but otherwise I’d say there is a fair chance he’s available for us.

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 1, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the positions you are targeting

I can’t speak much to the individual players chosen, but there are a couple minor changes I would make in how the positions are prioritized.

I think OL needs to go 2nd round. the CB could go 3rd and another OL in the 4th.

by tman5 on Dec 1, 2011 2:12 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Disagree slightly

You can find at least 2 or 3 quality starters on the OL in FA in 2012 (i.e. Nicks, Grubbs, Zuttah, etc.). At that point you may just be looking at depth and/or someone to push Willie Smith/Polumbus with a 3rd round pick. Would like to see that pick used for a WR, FS, CB or LB

CB only if Cortland Finnegan or Brent Grimes are passed over in FA by the team.

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by Copious 1 on Dec 1, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

good young OL rarely hit the market. Saints would be crazy to let Nicks go

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 2, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

i hear what your saying but

I think its better to build through the draft. Should try to get one immediate starter and one guy who can be an eventual starter for the OL via the draft . I’m Ok if they get one starter (Nix hopefully) and one reserve (I like steveo’s suggestion of Collins at T) from FA.

I would not expect them to change hall/wilson next year, they might replace barnes (move him to safety) and get a nickle back in the 4th

When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey

by Redskin44 on Dec 1, 2011 4:32 PM EST reply actions  

Being the 3rd CB is like being the 3rd WR, you are basically a starter.

Think about facing the Packers….
1 – Greg Jennings – Hall
2 – Donald Driver – Wilson
3 – James Jones – Finnegan/Grimes
4 – Jordy Nelson – Barnes/Thompson

You can mix and match. I believe the Eagles envisioned the same need, but chose to employ an OL coach as DC. Which has worked out exactly as you would think hat it would. LOL

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by Copious 1 on Dec 1, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

In this scenerio I would add praying to a higher power

I get were your coming from. Just not sure we have the dinero or picks to get there in one off season

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by Redskin44 on Dec 1, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I just gotta say

Anyone who picks RG3 has my love. That dude is my target at our top 10 pick. I think it was pretty good overall. I’m unfamiliar with many of the late round picks, but I hope to school myself up soon. Demps in the 7th round is another good pick because although he is small, he could still play a little RB and would be a great return man for us. Better than Banks haha.

by BigOLinemen on Dec 1, 2011 4:43 PM EST reply actions  

Lets all be honest about RG3. The guy is a great athlete, has a NFL arm and looks great against college competition. However, the guy plays in the Big 12. The Big 12 is a terrible defensive conference and he is doing all this amazing stuff against guys who will never sniff the NFL.

When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.

by Jeff Bernard on Dec 2, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

since when is the Big 12 a terrible defensive conference?

They are probably 2nd to the SEC in terms of defensive talent. Sure it is mainly in Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, but Missouri and K-State aren’t too bad either. And Oklahoma State doesn’t have a good overall defense, but they have a few really good players.

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 2, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

We are talking about football right?

The Big 12 has only 0 teams in the top 25 defensively. Texas and and K-State the only 2 in the top 30, 1 in the top 40, 1 in top 50, 1 in top 50. They also have the 103rd ranked defense out of 120 and also the honor of having the 120th out of 120. They are a terrible defensive conference.

When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.

by Jeff Bernard on Dec 2, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure where i got the Texas part form but the rest is fine

Compare to the SEC which has 5 of the top 10

When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.

by Jeff Bernard on Dec 2, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Here is a better breakdown

TCU-45th
Stephen Austin-haha
Rice-112
K State-76th
Iowa State-102
Texas A&M-66
OK State-107
Missouri-62
Kansas-120
Oklahoma -52
Texas Tech-115

This is the level of competition he has faced for his college career. Now keep in mind these rankings are out of 120. Haha. This is laughable.

When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.

by Jeff Bernard on Dec 2, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

you can't look at it solely based on scoring defense. You have to look at the players and overall talent levels they are facing

for instance OK state allows a ton of points and yards, but they are among the top 5 in terms of turnovers.

Oklahoma has probably 7 or 8 guys on that defense who will be playing on Sundays within 3 years. Kansas State has nearly as many.

There is a lot of talent in that conference, they are just a number of young defenses.

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 2, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see how talent level has anything to do with it. If a team is giving up tons of yards to everybody then to elevate the performance of one opposing QB is ridiculous. The fact remains RG3 plays against not just average defenses, not just ok defenses but terrible bottom of the barrel defenses. When you watch his film that has to be taken into account. All of that running he does wouldn’t happen if he played in the SEC. Now with that said i am not saying he is terrible. He may even be amazing in the NFL but to look at what he is doing against future construction workers and try to assume elevate him to a top 20 pick is in my opinion laughable.

When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.

by Jeff Bernard on Dec 2, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah I don't know about that

When Peyton played in the SEC they were maybe the 3rd or 5th best conference, didn’t make his accomplishments less impressive.

he faces plenty of defensive talent, and last time I checked he’s not exactly on the most talented team in his conference, much less college football. If he was in the SEC he’d probably be surrounded by more talent as well.

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 2, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Now you are just making stuff up

The SEC has always had the most talented players and sent the most players to the NFL. The SEC also had the most or the same number of top 25 teams of any conference for every year of Peytons college career. They also had the national champion for 1 of those years. Nebraska was dominate through those years but the SEC as a conference was superior.

When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.

by Jeff Bernard on Dec 2, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

no that's not entirely true

Okay Peyton was there from 1994-1997 (though the comment was based more on the fact that the SEC wasn’t as strong in the 90’s)

During those 4 years (1995-1998 drafts) the SEC had just a total of just 20 (i might have missed 1 or 2) 1st round picks (including Manning), which is def. below the Big 10, Pac-10 and ACC and Big East were right about there as well. Now the Big 12 didn’t fully exist those 4 years, but if you take the member schools then they are above the SEC as well.

As for rankings:

In 1994: SEC had 5 Top 25 schools which is tops, but if using the combined Big 8 and Texas and Texas A&M, they have 5 as well. SEC finished 2nd in the Simple Rating System, and had the 3rd highest strength of schedule

1995: SEC had 4 Top 25 teams, 1 behind the Big 10, and tied with the Big 8, but when you add in Texas, A&M and Texas Tech, they had 7 ranked teams, The SEC’s SRS was 3rd and their SOS was 2nd.

1996: SEC finished tied with the Big 10 with 5 top 25 teams, they finished 2nd in SRS but 4th in SOS.

1997. The SEC finished 1st in Top 25 teams, SRS and SOS. This was the only year that the SEC was the superior conference.

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 2, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Two points. 1st round picks only is a terrible way to judge talent. There are 7 rounds. The second point is we are talking conferences. What conferences teams are in now is irrelevant. You are adding teams to make your point which is ridiculous. We are talking about when he played. When he played the SEC had the most or tied for the most top 25 teams. Adding something called the Simple Rating System, something i’ve never heard of until right now, is also ridiculous. You stated the SEC was the 3rd or 5th best conference. This is a ridiculous statement. They were the best or arguably the 2nd best. Peyton played against the best talent in college football and was successful and yes this says way more than RG3 playing against the worst college competition.

When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.

by Jeff Bernard on Dec 2, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

umm what?

Now i can get the whole issue about adding teams, but for the first two years the Big 8 didn’t have the Texas 4. Now I can see not including them for the Top 25 rankings, but the Texas schools should be included in the draft numbers.

I didn’t have the time to look at all draft picks from those years, but feel free to do so if you wish. The SEC might end up with the most drafted players, but part of that is of course due to the fact that they are the biggest conference (until the Big 12 came to be in 1996).

Now if you take away the 3 Texas schools from the Top 25 numbers the Big 8 and the SEC still had the same number of top 25 teams in 1995 despite the fact that the SEC has 4 more schools.

As for not liking the Simple Rating System or Strength of Schedule (which I assume you have heard of) I don’t know what to tell you other than it is probably the best way to look at numbers across conferences. Just b/c you haven’t heard of something doesn’t make it invalid. Plenty of people refuse to accept things like OBA, OPS, WAR for baseball statistics, doesn’t mean that batting average is more valuable.

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 2, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Why should they be included? They were not in the Big 8, they were in the SW Conference. They were not as if they were independent and de facto members of the Big 8. It was a separate conference. That is like saying if all of a sudden the ACC joined the SEC that we should count players who played in the ACC as drafted SEC players. Now obviously once they joined the Big 12 then it is legitimate. Even so all this is a side not. Peyton played in by your standards the 2nd best conference against the most or 2nd most NFL caliber players. Now to the original point compare that to RG3. There is no comparison. People love RG3 because he is fast and they think that speed will translate to the NFL. I just don’t see it. Besides the guy is not 6’2 and is small framed. He will be a bust if he is taken in the top 15.

When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.

by Jeff Bernard on Dec 3, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

so what is the cut off?

Should they be considered Big 12 if they played 1 year? 2 years? 3 years? or do they need all 4 years in the conference?

No the Pac 10 and Big 10 both produced more 1st rounders (feel free to look up all rounds), so the SEC would be 3rd most. And by a per school basis the Big 8 would rank higher, as might the SWAC.

RG3 is fast (not sure how that is questionable), but I agree his overall size and frame can be an issue. But he’s also the type of guy who doesn’t need the ‘classic’ size.

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 3, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

SEC and then ACC have the most players in the NFL since the 90s. I can’t believe you are even trying to pretend the Big12 has more talent than the SEC.

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by Jeff Bernard on Dec 3, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

For those keeping score at home, since 1990, the SEC has had 820 total selections in the NFL draft, an average of 35.7 selections per year. The Big Ten is second with 708 selections. And since 1997, the SEC has had 590 total selections in the NFL draft, an average of 39.3 selections per year.

When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.

by Jeff Bernard on Dec 3, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

SEC has the most talent and its not even close.

When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.

by Jeff Bernard on Dec 3, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

when is that stat till?

b/c if it includes the 2000’s then what are you talking about??

I said in the 90’s they weren’t as strong

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 3, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

in the 90s only the SEC had an average of 32.9 draft picks per school. The Big 8 teams had an average of 30.75 per school. The 4 Texas schools had an average of 30.25 players per school. These numbers show that the SEC had more NFL talent in the 1990s than the Big 12 and the 4 Texas teams and that is including Vanderbilt which is a statistical anomaly with only 8 players which is 50% less than the next team in either the Big 12, SEC or Texas 4. Without Vandy included the SEC teams average 35.6 draft picks. I look forward to hearing your justification for moving the goal post yet again. The SEC had more talent than the Big 8 + Texas 4 for the 1990s.

When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.

by Jeff Bernard on Dec 3, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

okay

so that’s one conference what were the Big 10, Pac-10 and ACC (and Big East for good measure)

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 4, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t understand the logic. Do good QBs only come from one conference?

which one?

I’m pretty sure there are good QBs who came from all kinds of schools

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by smutsboy1 on Dec 2, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

The logic is simple. When you see him perform keep in mind it is against the worst defenses in college football. You are correct a good QB can come from any school and any conference but you have to look beyond the numbers and plays on the field. You have to look at the fundamentals and extrapolate how they will play in the pros. RG3 will not be a elite QB in the NFL. Mark it down.

When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.

by Jeff Bernard on Dec 2, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Mock

although i agree w/ just about everyone in that the 2nd and 3rd round choices should be swapped. other than that, idk about sum of those guys, but demps @ 7 and RG3 @ 1 sounds dope to me

by TheUberest on Dec 1, 2011 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

If Jeff Demps lasts until the 7th

and we drafted him there, I’d jump for joy. Expect Demps to be a mid round selection.

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by Tiller56 on Dec 2, 2011 7:09 AM EST reply actions  

where's the Nose Tackle?

The 3-4 experts consistently say the the NT position is key for making the 3-4 scheme work and we need a real immoveable object at NT, not a make shift substitute.

by aFan4Life on Dec 2, 2011 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

i agree

if we had the picks I’d love to use one on Poe, Chapman or the Washington guy, but we don’t so there really isn’t an option.

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 2, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Check out Star Lotulelei from Utah

He’s a later round prospect and might be worth making a move for

Beck to the future!

by The Shanaplan on Dec 2, 2011 1:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Cofield has done ok. Watch the tape and tell me it he has ever been double teamed this year. In the 3-4 your nose MUST command double teams. Cofield doesn’t do that. I would love to see a real nose with Cofield sliding over to DE which is his natural position.

When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.

by Jeff Bernard on Dec 2, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe its a thin class for NT, and we have more pressing issues this year

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by Redskin44 on Dec 2, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

We've got bigger fish to fry

There are a few decent FAs available

Antonio Garay from the Chargers,
Sione Pouha, from the Jets and,
Paul Solia from Miami

Beck to the future!

by The Shanaplan on Dec 2, 2011 1:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Cofield played NT in college. With a ful off-season in Haslett’s system he’ll be a lot better. Neild and Jarvis Jenkins will come into rotation too so I don’t think NT is a big concern

by JD For Breakfast on Dec 4, 2011 8:07 AM EST up reply actions  

RG III is not coming out

He is a CRAZY intelligent man. He is going to the olympics in 2012. He also wants to go straight to las school and already has his undergrad degree. Man is he impressive. I would love to get him.

by brettpedigo on Dec 2, 2011 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

whether he comes out this year or next Law School ain't happening

you are right there is a chance he might not come out, but I’d say the Olympics would be that reason, not LS.

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 2, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

THANK YOU

I couldn’t agree with you more. I remember feeling like I was invincible in college, too. Smart is realizing that you aren’t invincible and that you are gambling with the opportunity of a lifetime.

by sofutomygaha on Dec 2, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Another year in College

could turn that contract from a 6 or 7 million to a 13 or 15 million dollar one.

by TheDeepBall on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope.

RG3 will go in the top 5. With the rookie wage scale it’s beneficial to come out early so that you are 1 year closer to the blockbuster deal.

1a. Luck
1b. RG3
2. Barkley
3. Tannehill
4. Weedon (regardless of being 28)
5. Foles
6. Jones

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by Diesel44 on Dec 2, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

that mirrors my QB list for the Redskins

for a team like the Colts or Pats I could see Jones being higher b/c he fits their system more, but not in DC.

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by Steve Shoup on Dec 2, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

problem is though.

the nfl killed the big money deals for draft players. so if a player has any reason at all to stayy in school. the big money presure wont be as bad. and they most likely will stay the extra year. maybe we can draft him in 2013 and hire him to sue the shanahans for blowing so many games this year with bad game planning and play calling? and making us sit threw a season with john beck and rex grossmen as our only options just because they knew the system

by munson21502 on Dec 3, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't help but think that if he was that smart, he wouldn't be playing football.

If the olympics are so important, why go out and let people dive at your knees every saturday?

by sofutomygaha on Dec 2, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

A likely top 10 pick?

i doubt he won’t come out. He’d be taking a big risk because he’s not someone who’s stock would hold up if he got injured next year.

by BigOLinemen on Dec 2, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

ALLEN/SHANNY love to trade down !

If the Skins end up with a top 10 pick , as expected , 1st round will be one of the top 4 QB’s. I say this because many of the teams finishing with a higher draft order , already have , or think they have , their franchise QB . Luck will go to Indy , and any of the remaining 3 will fit perfectly in the Shannahan system .
From my understanding , after Kalil , many of the other top OT’s will slide to the late 2nd , to early 3rd rounds . I could see the Skins trading down with their 2nd round pick to get an extra 3rd or 4th round pick . I can also see them trading their 3rd round pick for a lower 3rd round pick and an extra 4th rounder . After wheeling and dealing of picks they could potentially wind up with a huge draft haul . If I’m not mistaken , the Skins already have an extra 4th and 6th round pick .
With the right trading partners , they can get their franchise QB in the first , a starting caliber RT in the lower second , and still have 2-3rd rounders , 3-4th rounders , 1-5th , 2-6th , and a 7th rounder , to fill allot of needs with .
I’m thinking that Nicks will be available in FA , due to the Saints need to resign Brees , and other FA’s on team , while still having to sign their own draft class . The Skins should be able to pick him up in FA . I agree with everyone that London Fletcher needs to be resigned , and I would resign Kerraker (spell?) . Unlike everyone else , I would not resign Landry . He gets burned too often in pass deffence , due to playing too far off the reciever , trying to either jump the route , or make a big hit . He also misses way too many tackles , trying to make the big hit , instead of wrapping a man up for a proper tackle . I like the way Gomes is playing , and feel that he will do a much better job in coverage , and make more tackles . I do believe Fred Davis should be resigned , but only at the right price . Cooley is still under contract , and Paulsen is looking pretty good . No need to overpay Davis if his agent is unreasonable . I say bring back Hightower , as he will not be able to demand a huge contract , coming off knee surgery .
With 5 picks in rounds 3-4 , draft a center , a guard , a NT , ILB , and a DB . Rounds 5-7 give you 4-5 picks , depending on earlier trades , to add depth at O-LINR , D-LINE , LB ,WR ,DB . Running back should already be set with what we have .

by EldonD on Dec 3, 2011 7:43 PM EST reply actions  

We need a starting RT in this draft

If he’s there in the 2nd, take him. We already have a lot of picks in the later rounds to begin with so why risk letting a potentially better player go if he’s there?

by JD For Breakfast on Dec 4, 2011 8:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Order of positions picked after round 2 ?

I didn’t really specify anything beyond positions of need . I feel that Allen/shanny will pick the best player available , for these positions , instead of going in order of which position they deem more important . If I had to guess , I would say NT ,G , in 3rd round .

by EldonD on Dec 3, 2011 7:53 PM EST reply actions  

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