Power Play of the Week Vote: Redskins vs 49ers.
by UkRedskin on Nov 9, 2011 11:35 AM EST
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PrintAnother week, another loss. The result of last week's poll showed that you guys thought the offensive 3 and out after London Fletcher's INT was the point in the game you knew we had lost. Alarmingly, Kevin's suggestion of the pre-game warm ups came second... do we have that little faith in the team!
Anyway, onto this week. I liked the voting idea for last week, so I'll do it again this week. The first option is this penalty by Trent Williams.
I'm all for Trent defending his teammates and being a leader on that Oline. But this was just stupid. It was 3rd and 8, we were just starting to get some offensive momentum. We were on track to get our 3rd 1st down of the drive. There was a defensive offside at the snap and we managed to get a first down anyway. Trent then comes in and shoves Justin Smith in the back and gets a personal foul penalty. That not only negates the first down or the offsides penalty, but overrules it. We lose 15 yards making it 3rd and 23. We can't convert and are forced to punt. We were only 3-0 down at that point. Who knows how differently the game might have turned out had we got that first down.
The second option is Terrence Austin's fumble. This happened in the 4th quarter and killed off any hopes we had of saving the game. The defense had just done a tremendous job of stopping the 49ers again and first play Austin goes and does this.
First thing I'd sat is that he has the ball in the wrong hand. You can't show a guy like Patrick Willis the ball, he's much too good.
Willis hits Austin's hand that is covering the ball, forcing it loose.
As you can see there, the ball is on its way out. Some of you may say that Austin was right to hold the ball in his strong hand. This could be true, but if he does that he has to bring the other arm over the ball to help protect it. As you can see here, his off-hand is nowhere near the ball.
The 49ers recover the ball and the defense is forced back onto the field yet again. What do you think, is this where the game was lost or was it done way before this point?
The final option this week is Roy Helu's fumble. It came when there was only 1:09 left in the 1st half and we were only 6-0 down at that point. The 49ers scored the very next play with a 30 yard TD pass by Alex Smith.
Much like the Austin fumble, Helu doesn't bring his off-hand up to protect the ball. Willis gets a shot at the ball.
The strength of the hit on Helu's hand by Willis pulls his hand down and forces the ball loose. If Helu had his off-hand covering the ball, this wouldn't have happened.
Then, the very next play...
Rocky McIntosh is much too slow to identify the play and with the help of a clever route/block by Crabtree that cuts Rocky's direct route, Bruce Miller gets open deep.
Smith makes the easy pass and Miller takes it in. Now that's a game changing fumble if ever I saw one.
So what was the moment you felt the game was lost?
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I voted "other"
Up until Davis recovered the onside kick attempt I did not write off the game. Even when you have a bad hand you play it out and see where the cards fall, and up until that moment there was a very small but at least detectable chance that the Redskins would be able to tie the game and force overtime.
Admittedly, I’m a die-hard type. If you’re at the game, I’m the one yelling “Never Give Up! Never Surrender!”
You.... are.... our.... only.... Hoppppppeeeeee
“I have one job, no matter how stupid, and I’m going to do it, damn it.”
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
It's not Ghostbusters or The Princess Bride
But it’s a very quotable movie …
There still would have been about 50 yards for a TD and then a two point conversion, but you are right. The 49ers
didn’t look like they thought they had the game in the bag before Gano kicked.
by Jefferson1935 on Nov 9, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
How does the option
for “I knew it was over in the pregame warmups” not get included after finishing second last week? This game was never as close as the final score suggests. SF was in run out the clock mode the entire second half.
This week against Miami has to be one of their best chances for a win the rest of the season. But after Miami scored 31 last week, I’m much less optimistic.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 9, 2011 12:15 PM EST reply actions
I'm not so sure.
I felt like that game was there for the taking. The way our defense played, considering it never got a chance to rest, was very good. The offense just never stepped up to the plate.
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In retrospect
I think I forgot just how much the offense shot themselves in the feet in this game. They certainly didn’t make Beck’s life any easier. (not making excuses for Beck, but it’s not like he was responsible for any of this)
Yup.
Thought the same thing. Beck was far from good, but the rest of the offense didn’t exactly help him. Plenty of drops etc.
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Consider
that the offense did nothing until the 49ers basically started playing prevent defense. They were exchanging yards for clock. They never got into the red zone the entire day until that last drive. This game was never “There for the taking”.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 9, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I knew the game was over when Helu fumbled. I dont blame Helu, I blame the play calling. The offense was so bad I was hoping that the redskins would just kill the clock rather than try get a quick drive staring at their 14.
It really sucks
that two weeks in a row, the exact same thing happened.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 9, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
I really really hope...
.. some guys are being nagged in practice this week about having two hands on the ball. Especially when a beast like Willis is bearing down on you.
I voted other
as in the moment they walked in the stadium all was lost.
At what point did you feel the game was lost?
When Beck took the field. Can’t win, if you can’t score (BEFORE the game is over!)
The Helu fumble
Just like the Gaffney fumble against Carolina.
Which was just like the Dallas fumble last year that DHall returned for a TD.
All three came right before the half, all three led to points for the opposing team, all three led to loses for the team that gave up the turnover. I see a pattern here.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
It's almost as if...
…turnovers can have a drastic impact on the outcome of the game. Someone needs to head up a federal research project with about 20 million tax payer dollars to get to the bottom of this.
I will volunteer for this job
See my original post for the foundation of my research. I will also due a study on if scoring more points does ultimately lead to winning more games.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 9, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
our defense has improved alot. but its still not near good enuff to have a offense this bad and still have a chance to win every week.
I voted for other as well
Kerrigan’s blind side sack of Alex Smith in the 1st QTR was the turning point IMHO becuase he didn’t strip the rock.
At this point, ANY sack of the QB MUST be accompanied with a Lawrence Taylor swipe at the football. The offense really can’t do much without a short field. Orakpo’s sack of Cam Newton falls in that category too. Sure Cam is a big boy but a karate chop to his throwing arm will certainly jar the pigskin loose.
If you look
Closely at the play, Kerrigan is actually THE REASON Smith held onto the ball. He had it pinned to Smith’s body on the tackle. It bugged me a little that the announcers gave Smith all tat credit for “holding onto the ball”. They shoulda noticed that, had RyKer come in at any other angle, the ball would’ve popped out easy.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Maybe I am being naive, but I think a guy who holds the NCAA record for forced fumbles
knows a thing or two about forcing fumbles.
Crazy Talk
I could plainly see from my seat in the club level that Kerrigan should have not only forced the fumble, but picked it up and scored with it
my vote is other
john beck starting at qb has me thinking we are gonna lose before the opening coin flip
For me it was a combination of...
The Helu fumble, which the 49ers converted into 7 points thanks to more terrible play from Rocky McIntosh and Reed Doughty.
Beck to the future!
by The Shanaplan on Nov 9, 2011 3:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It ain't over 'til it's ...
over. That said, our D keeps us in most every game. So, if the young guys can improve, starting this week against Miami, we can still turn the season around. We almost always play well against the good teams, we just need to win all of the games we should win against the weaker teams. That’s why Dallas is ahead of us right now. They beat the Seattle’s of the world. Anybody can loose to the Patriots, stuff happens. We might very well beat the Patriots and the Jets, but loose to Miami and Seattle. Go figure. And, now every time we play the Eagles it’s like we are playing a bunch of ghosts out there. I told my youth football team the same thing. We are not playing a bunch of monsters, those are 7th grade kids under those helmets. They skateboard and play video games, so get out there and lay the wood.
Regardless, I picked the Helu fumble. Not because of that fumble by itself, but you could just see the faces pointed at the toes and no team is going to win when that starts happening.
last week I said it was over
on the second drive when we had a fourth and one at midfield and didn’t go for it.
Sure enough, they had a long drive and scored the game winning touchdown on the next drive. It took them one play to pass our 4th down line of scrimmage.
I voted for the Helu fumble
BUT, I will give kudos to Helu, he did not stop playing hard after that. Sometimes, key mistakes like that will get into a rookie’s head. The fact that it didn’t happen for Helu makes me even more optimistic that he will turn into a great player for this team.
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