A Bright Spot in a Dark Place?
by Parks Smith on Nov 7, 2011 9:17 AM EST
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Despite the total despair we all felt yesterday there was one small glimmer of hope in the beat down the 49ers gave us yesterday. For years Skins fans have been looking for a "change of pace" back, and lightning to Clinton Portis' and now Tim Hightower's lightning. I've been saying for two to three years that the feature back is dead in the NFL, except for a few extreme examples, and Mike Shanahan has been keen on this belief for quite some time. Yesterday showed us that Shanny has once again made another great running back decision in the draft, this time with Roy Helu, Jr.
It seems like we've lacked a back for years that can contribute in the screen game and act as a bit of a safety valve for our quarterback (no matter how bad they are). John Beck found his safety valve yesterday when he hit Helu fourteen times for 105 yards. Helu was also able to add 41 yards on ten carries. As pain staking as it was to never see Beck throw a pass, basically, past 15 yards; it was a positive adjustment to see the Shannys using the screen game with Helu.
Beyond Helu it was certainly positive to see guys like Leonard Hankerson thrown in the mix yesterday. Hank reeled in 4 catches for 34 yards and also scored a two point conversion in garbage time (a glimmer of a successful red zone passing play!). Also, have we finally found our kicker? That Gano kick was incredible!
We'll see how the youth movement continues this week with Helu, Hankerson, Maurice Hurt, and others. John Beck is 0-7 career as a starter, but can he get his first win where it all started in Miami?
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It's hard for me to key in on lineman when at the game, but how did Mo Hurt look to everyone?
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good point
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I thought Hurt played surprisingly well for a rookie making his first start
against a very good defense. He was by no means perfect, but he played well beyond my expectations. I re-watched the game again last night, and tried to fucus on him, and what I saw was a good motor, a mean streak, good lower body strength, and surprisingly good feet for a man his size.
I was most impressed with his downfield blocking. He was often spotted 10-12 yards downfield trying to throw a block, or cleaning up plays. Thats impressed me the most.
Again, he was far from perfect, but the potential is there.
John Denver was a musical genius
Fair assessment. I did notice he was on his back a lot
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I wouldn't say a lot
but he did get planted a few times. I saw him sit too far back in his stance one time, and he just didn’t get the hand punch he needed to. The defender got into him, and planted him pretty good…………but shit, that happens to vets too. I’ll be excited to see how he progresses as the season continues. I won’t call him our future just yet, but he does add a little hope.
John Denver was a musical genius
After the game he gave the typical rookie quote about the tempo of the game being a lot quicker.
Man how awesome would it be if the kid is a legit starter…. I hope he starts the rest of year, would be really great experience. It’s amazing how many young, late rounders or even undrafted rookies are starting in this league this year on the o-line.
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I agree
I too hope he remains there for the rest of the season. This may sound really silly, but his body type and foot quickness reminds me a little of TW. It’s pretty cool to see those two together on the left side.
John Denver was a musical genius
I watched Hurt most of the game
because I was excited about him starting after watching him in the preseason. He had his rookie moments, but he handled himself far better than you could ever expect of a 7th rounder in his first start. He anchored well in pass pro and kept himself busy finding work on every play. We also added a bit more power running than usual with him in there— I noticed Hurt pulling on a few traps.
I have to say that I like our players sticking up for one another, but Trent Williams should never be hitting anyone in the back. That is always dumb. It is a bit telling of Mo Hurt’s performance that he was able to get a Pro-Bowler that frustrated, though.
Smith is probably the best 3-4 end around at the moment
so it’s a great sign that he was able to cope relatively well and he should continue to improve from here.
Yeah
I noticed him pulling too, and was surprised as well by his agility.
John Denver was a musical genius
He's not the prettiest guard you'll ever see in a football uniform
But I like his potential a lot.
Our need at RT was painfully apparent yesterday.
"pretty" is pretty low on my list of attributes for an OL.....
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(cue the "before and after" pics of Jamaal Brown)
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
Brown was just awful
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by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 7, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
he did well for a 7th rounder and a guy who wasn't even getting full starting snaps this week in practice
His play wasn’t really any better than Cook’s, but Monty played better back at center so it was an upgrade
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by Steve Shoup on Nov 7, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm very optimistic about Gano.
He’s looked great this year and his onside kick was pretty darn good. I think we finally have our kicker.
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
by ThuGodfather on Nov 7, 2011 9:26 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Parks?!?!?
Also, have we finally found our kicker? That Gano kick was incredible!
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by Rekka on Nov 7, 2011 9:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
haha, I can still harp on Banks though, right?
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I've strongly supported Banks ever since he's joined the team.......no more.
He’s had enough time to work his magic and continually failed. Time to give someone else a try.
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
The catch on that one punt yesterday was terrible... not to mention muffing it twice.
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by Rekka on Nov 7, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I expect no less
he’s really not been doing it this year.
Has there been a consensus on whether its the blocking or dumb decision making on his part
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Everything I have a problem with are terrible decisions and lack of concentration.
Taking the ball out, not calling for a fair catch, fielding that one punt at like the 5 yesterday… it’s just plain stupid. And the guy has muffed a ton of kicks this year, he’s just been lucky to get them back.
I mean seriously, if Brandon Banks was cut today would another NFL team put a waiver claim on him or even pick him up? I seriously doubt it.
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Yet another
Failed Shanny experiment. Can we just put Banks, Beck, Grossman, J. Brown and, hell, Kevin Barnes while we’re at it on the next bus to the UFL?
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Nov 7, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That kick would have been good from 61-62 I think
just from watching it on replay, I think he would have cleared it
John Denver was a musical genius
definitely looked like it had another couple yards on it
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
Beck needs to take a litle of the short to intermediate passes
we’s trying to take people’s heads off. Touch is your friend Mr. Beck………
John Denver was a musical genius
Did you not see when he tried to put "touch" on his passes and ended up making
Roy Helu dive backwards when there was like 20 yards of open space in front of Helu?
I think he needs
Some ass. That dude’s wound way too tight out there. Looks like he’s trying to pull back every pass he throws.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Nov 7, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
haha seriously
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Cool quote from Paul:
“Your adrenaline gets going, and you want to make a play so bad,” Paul said. “It’s different when you’re a veteran; you’re used to it. We’re out there trying to make a play. In Buffalo I had to calm myself down a lot. It’s all about being young and being able to adjust to everything and being comfortable.”
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by Parks Smith on Nov 7, 2011 9:36 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm not as surprised by Helu
We all new he was lighting fast, and had good hands. He’s big, powerful, and finishes his runs. Many were saying he was one of the biggest steals in the draft in the 4th round.
I don’t want to go Helu vs Torain again, but is it really even close?
John Denver was a musical genius
nope
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“I don’t want to go Helu vs Torain again” – when was it ever helu vs. torain?? most folks wanted to keep both on the roster…
helu had 14 catches and only a 7.5 ypc average.. 7.5?? your getting giddy over that?? throw torain the short passes 14 times and he would probably do the same.. but i forgot, torain ran the ball ONCE and had only ONE catch that game… tell helu to crack 100 yards RUSHING and then we’ll talk…
why do insist on mentioning torain whenever one of our backs shows a small ray of light?? get over it man..
He has had one good day
Let us not get carried away like we always do hear. I would like to see some consistency from anybody on this offense. I don’t think anyone has done anything on a consistent basis this year. (Other than consistently inconsistent)
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Who is getting carried away?
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'77 is just trying to pee on our one kool-aid shot we had left.
I’d much rather talk about our youth and how they performed, rather than harping on how much John Beck sucks.
It’s incredible being at that game and not really getting a view of the stats, then checking out the box score this morning. It actually looks like we weren’t that bad on paper, haha.
Beck: 30-47, 254 yards, TD, INT… haha that’s really not that bad of a line
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Since you mentioned 3 guys in you piece
I was just wondering which one he was referring to
John Denver was a musical genius
Helu...
I have to use dictation software and it has trouble with all of these weird name. We need more guys with recognizable names… joke.
I’m just trying to put things in perspective. Many here got carried away with the three and one star. Now we tend to get carried away when any player has an above average day.
There is no consistency on this on offense, I willing to debate that with anyone who thinks differently
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by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 7, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
We have gotten a chance to see a little of what Helu can do so far this season
I wouldn’t consider him a flash in the pan
John Denver was a musical genius
I don't think he's a flash in the hand
I think he is still unproven-but may have some potential
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by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 7, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
After the early games Yahoo! had him as the 5th best passer.
Its something isn’t it. Of course many will quickly remind us that the last drive was garbage time. Garbage time or not he got us in the endzone, and we were still in it up to the on-side kick.
The screens were a one time deal
Good teams will be able to adjust to this. Beck has already shown that he can’t throw a pass longer than 10 yards. I wouldn’t get your hopes up.
by killianskid34 on Nov 7, 2011 9:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I mean obviously teams adjust, but it's something a team might bite on after watching film and open things up elsewhere.
I thought it was a pretty good “gameplan”, our QB just really limits us… O how I long for the days of Rex…
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Rex beat two terrible teams
and one that was suffering some significant injuries at the time. I don’t think he makes a bit of difference. They are both equally bad.
I’d almost say…….O how I long for the days of Campbell…..
John Denver was a musical genius
Rex actually moves the offense, something that Beck fails to do...
We can go back and forth on this but it’s pointless. I just stick by that Rex never should of been benched.
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Everyone should say,
Parks, you were right. You were one of the loudest protesters of this move.
HTTR!
i think receivers catching the ball moves the offense
Are you saying that the 2 fumbles, the 15 yard Trent Williams penalty that killed a 1st down play and killed the drive and the numerous dropped passes would not have happened if we have Rex starting?
I hold Beck responsible for the int (though it was not a terrible one) and missing some open receivers down field ( saw evidence of at least two), but I don’t hold him responsible for the above mentioned things. Do you?
by RobtheRedskin on Nov 7, 2011 10:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yea that's what I'm saying, come on man...
Are you saying that the 2 fumbles, the 15 yard Trent Williams penalty that killed a 1st down play and killed the drive and the numerous dropped passes would not have happened if we have Rex starting?
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ok, here is how i perceived your comments
It seemed to me like you were using yesterdays game as an example that “Grossman can at least move the ball while Beck can not”. I was then responding that I think most of the problems with moving the ball had to do with drops by receivers when Beck gave them a chance, as well as 3 drives being lost by the 2 fumbles and the penalty.
So I thought it was unfair to say that Beck can’t move the ball based on yesterday’s game.
by RobtheRedskin on Nov 7, 2011 10:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Beck can't move the ball based on 7 games, he's terrible.
Sure there were other miscues, but the guy flat out stinks… He’s yet to score a TD in “non-garbage” time.
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I am not arguing that Beck is a good QB
I am saying that I do not think the circumstances have allowed us to conclude that he stinks. I would obviously have liked to see the team score some touchdowns before the freaking last half of the fourth quarter. That was terrible. But would he have scored some TDs if his passes were not dropped and our drives continued?
I realize that receivers will always drop the occasional pass, but yesterday I felt like I Was watching the Rams game all over again when Bradford could not get a catch from a receiver to save his life. You agree that the drops and the penalty and fumbles are not his fault, but then say that he stinks anyway, based on his record. I can not vouch for the games in Miami. I am talking about the game yesterday.
And I feel similarly to the way that you felt when Grossman was the starter. I don’t think that we have a better option on the team, so I hope that Beck gets a few more shots with better results.
It is possible (if not probable) that he is just a bad QB. I don’t think he has proven it quite yet, although I think many on HH disagree with me. If all of those dropped passes were just thrown way off the mark then I would be right here with you, talking about how he played horrible and the offense only clicked in garbage time when it didn’t matter, and that he could not move the chains at all for 7/8 of the game. But in reality I don’t tihnk the lame falls on him, THIS time…
by RobtheRedskin on Nov 7, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
+1
I agree with everything here.
One thing that is promising is that he went from having a 10 sack game where he held the ball to long to a 1 sack game, getting the ball out quick. Now he maybe just inconsistent, or he maybe learning from his mistakes, only time will tell. But what Time has told me is that Grossman hasn’t learned from his mistakes.
Now obviously checking the ball down every play isn’t gonna win us any games but hopefully he builds on this weeks performance and next week we get a better mix of intermediate throws in there with a shot down field sprinkled in. Again, only time will tell.
He got cut by Parcells with the dolphins, and lost in training camp to Rex Grossman
I’d say that makes you bad
i will add some more
He has not connected on many deep balls. I think he did on one in the philly game? Clearly that has not been working out with him and Armstrong. Perhaps some of the blame lies with armstrong or perhaps it is all on Beck.
Grossman did have the luxury of a healthy Moss and Hightower. I do not doubt that these two would have helped Beck in the last two games.
Against the Bills I thought Beck played worse than against the 49ers. I thought he was getting very little help yesterday.
by RobtheRedskin on Nov 7, 2011 10:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Time for me to pull out the preemptive excuse sheet from 5 weeks ago?
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so if you can predict possible excuses beforehand, does that make them untrue?
by RobtheRedskin on Nov 7, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't predict them, people were making up excuses before he even started a game.
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if people make up excuses before they are needed, does it make them untrue?
by RobtheRedskin on Nov 7, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
By the way, I don’t like arguing with you in general, it is just that we seem to strongly believe opposing sides of issues (at least on Banks and Grossman vs Beck) and since you post a lot, i typically respond to you on the issue instead of other people who agree with you on issues. It is nothing personal.
And I have loved Banks since he took it to the house on his first return against Buffalo, and I have been one of his strongest supporters, but he has done pretty much nothing this year and I am glad that he got a shot in 2011, but I think he has just about proven himself ineffective, and after giving him 8 weeks, I would understand if the team cut him to make room for another player, going with Paul or Austin on returns. But this is not related to the current discussion, just a side note.
by RobtheRedskin on Nov 7, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
nah campbell was worse
because he has a ton of talent and can look really great on the practice field. but he just isnt a nfl qb. he has too much fear in the pocket and his brain shrinks down to nothing…. coaches thinks they can fix his flaws but they cant… i mean 5 qb coaches couldnt teach the man to slide right:P
Haha
Worse than what? I could care less about Campbell, but there’s no chance whatsoever he’s WORSE than Beck.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Jason Campbell wasn't any better at hitting the deeper routes.
He was also Captain Checkdown, except he wasn’t as jittery in the pocket. And he could run just as well as John Beck.
At least Campbell didn't trip over the line of scrimmage every time he took off.
The imaginary line that it.
HTTR!
Maybe Beck is confused when he watchs on TV and thinks that yellow line is real?
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ive seen him do worse....
i remember campbell running to the sidelines about 8 yards behind the line and instead of throwing it away he keeps the ball and runs out of bounds for a 8 yard loss lol
Pars Smith-
Our coaching staff shows no ability to pull off what you are describing. This is just as vanilla as Jim Zorn’s era as far as offense goes. The scary thing is that in the same number of games, we are actually scoring fewer points than the previous regime.
7 1/2 million dollars a year is what Coach Shanahan is receiving, do you think he is worth it? Can you name five coaches who are/were worse than he is in the last two years?
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by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 7, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not getting into this with you and your 30 year hatred of Shanahan...
With all due respect what you just said was dumb. We started John Beck, Leonard Hankerson, Niles Paul, and Roy Helu yesterday, how complicated do you think the gameplan is going to be for that game? The best thing to do is play your youth, get back to basics, and build for the future.
Comparing this regime and where they are at right now to Zorn is just ignorant. Also asking to name five coaches that have been worse is stupid. Nearly 40% of coaches haven’t been with their team for two years and this isn’t a vacuum. Would you want Tony Sparano in DC with this situation? What about Jim Caldwell? Pete Carroll? Jack Del Rio?
Put your hatred for the man aside and actually give him some time to build and do something with this mess he inherited.
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Props to Shanny for benching TW after that stupid penalty.
Teach them boys some discipline!
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by ThuGodfather on Nov 7, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely, +1
Especially since TW is a habitual offender at this point. He needs to be smart. He should of been penalized in the Arizona game also when he started a fight on the first drive.
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Nah. Fire him, and let's get somebody else here.
And lets keep firing them until someone takes us to the Superbowl in his second year. Gotta happen sometime right?
Absolutely, I mean why wait two years, lets go with every year.
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Second year?
Why the hell would we wanna wait THAT long?
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Nov 7, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think a comparison with the Jim Zorn era
Is as ignorant as you claim. I would encourage you to do a little more research before you bust my balls.
In all honesty, I have no idea who I would replace Shanahan with. I really don’t think there are that many young, hungry candidates for head coach that would want to come here without a front office in place to help them.
When Shanahan goes at the end of 2012 we will be starting over yet again, and we still will not have a front office with any consistency.
These are debatable points I know, but no one seems to want to debate the other side with any kind of reasonable argument.
"He just needs more time" is pretty much synonymous with repeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
You don’t want to get into it with me, that’s fine. But I think a few of your lines above are cheap shots.
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by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 7, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
But the point is
Miami, was all set and making a move 2 years ago..What happened
Tampa was rebuilding last year and ready to take off, but….
This year, Jim and the 49ers are the next best thing: Well let’s give it some time.
Point is IMO it is working, the team is the team I thought they would be in year two, with the issues I thought they would have in year two and be a middle of the road 6-9 to 9-6 team. They are this! So I’m comfortable where the Redskins are at this point
by dr WNC on Nov 7, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see how they win six
This year. They won six last year, but this year have more of their players and are doing worse.
I don’t see how this can be stated as the "right direction"
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by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 7, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Culture is Better, Defense is Better
Offense needs a QB and weapons. We weren’t going to the SB this year, and now its clear we aren’t going to the playoffs either, so I don’t really care what our record ends up being…more losses just mean a better draft pick.
If you plug a decent QB and a stretch-the-field WR on this offense, and better O-Line talent, you will see massive improvement next season
by StephanHart on Nov 7, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Culture is not better
This team comes out flat more often than not.
You can see the fight go out over them as soon as the other team gets a lead-it looks like a loser mentality to me.
It will take a lot to turn that kind of attitude around-just like it will for me.
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by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 7, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
That is not culture
That is a team that knows a 10 point lead is out of reach.
Defense is better, they have to address the offense this off season and next year this regime should be judged.
HEY! If you were a hotdog, would ya eat yourself?
by jellis113 on Nov 7, 2011 12:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ok then call this the "bell weather"
If the Redskins do not win 6 or more they are heading in the wrong direction…if they do…
I don't think the win total really reflects what this team could be capable of next season
by StephanHart on Nov 7, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't either but I believe this team is better than 6 wins
Miami and seattle bring the team to 5 wins, I believe they will win 2 additional games if not 3…
Absolutely, like I've been saying all I want to see this year is youthful improvement
And we took a step in that direction with our youth yesterday.
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In regards to the youth ballplayers
I also see some of them improving. I like these steps that Hank took forward this week over last. That is one example, Paul might be another.
Williams seems to be regressing, Banks is a joke (but he really doesn’t count anyhow), terrain is regressing. Alou (the running back) had a good Joe Washington type of game. Austin is making too many stupid mistakes for a two-year man.
So all in all, we have some bright spots, but not all the youth is moving in the correct direction.
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by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 7, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Youth
What about Coefield, Wison, Kerrigan, Orakpo,, young, and others. All players in either the first or 2nd year of a program who are young enough to be a redskin in antoher 3 to 4 years and in the system for that long…
by dr WNC on Nov 7, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I did say that some were improving
I love how Ryan Kerrigan plays. Number 98 still needs some work, no one seems to be able to teach him the tools he needs to be elite, but he is not regressing either.
I think it is still too early to judge the others you mentioned.
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by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 7, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Yep, though I’m not wild about wilson, and am starting get a little concerned about T Williams development
I saw one mistake out of Austin yesterday
What else did I miss?
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
What research do you want me to do?
Who was inherited better personnel? Zorn or Shanahan?
You are predisposed to hate Shanahan, you have some personal vendetta against the guy since Day 1. That is pretty clear.
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Yes, that would be a good start
I would like to see someone from the other side defend the statement that Shanahan inherited a worse roster than Jim Zorn; player by player not with general statements like it was a playoff team before.
Player for player quality wise, I think the rosters were fairly equal. I am making the argument that the roster while younger, is worse than the day he took over.
True, there is potential; but the potential needs to be realized through coaching. That is not happening right now in my opinion.
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by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 7, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Then Why don't you do the comparison?
You keep talking about firing Shanahan but you say there is no one better out there. So you want to take away a guy with 2 SB rings and replace him with………. Me?
Zorn inherited a PLAYOFF team from Gibbs and drove them into the ground. We had no playmakers except Moss and Cooley. Our D was statisticly good but we were 4-12 in Zorns last year. We had a three different people calling offensive plays by the time Zorn got shit canned and one of them was a fucking Bingo caller at a retirement home.
All of you people calling for Shanny’s head need to give us that are preaching patience a better alternative. And if the Danny won’t give a guy like Shanny more then two years please include how much time our Savior will get.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 7, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
yeah he's not going to get 14 a week, and hell we probably won't see 8 a week
but Helu showed a lot on them despite a couple being thrown behind him.
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hate to do this.....
.im gonna drop ryan torain from my fantasy teams this week. and watch shanahan feed him the ball:( i was rooting for helu and hope he gets the start from here on out.i will not curse helu by picking him up lol
I'm just glad we're seeing the young guys play.
It’s the right decision by Shanahan.
We need to develop these guys for next year.
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by smutsboy1 on Nov 7, 2011 10:16 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1
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Honestly I didn't watch the game very closely.
I knew we’d look ugly, so I did a lot of FFd’ing.
Glad Hurt played though. Interesting to read reviews from people who rewatched the game.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I just think that this is how it's supposed to be this year, and other teams have gone through this.
Nine more games of rookies playing, nine more games of experience and work, seven or eight more losses and a great draft pick… Put a Top 10 QB into this equation and you get results.
Put a Top 10 QB into this equation and an offensive line and you get results.
FTFY
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by smutsboy1 on Nov 7, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
anybody venture over to the steel curtain lately?
boy i thought we were some complainers here (justified we’ve lost for 20 straight years) they complain about everything. We look surprisingly optimistically compared to them. Also I think were one of the only places where lots of people are commenting at 7:30 in the morning….which i also thought was weird because people in Pittsburgh don’t have jobs
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
that's messed up...
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they know their team is slipping
they are just lucky the refs favor them and the nfl lets the refs cheat for them because they travel so well. so they wont get as low as our team has. i just cant wait for the redskins to start winning again so i can walk into a store in western md and be able to find redskins gear easyer then seeing the steeler gear everywhere i look. they also have had a easyer time getting to the playoffs because the division they are in. if they were in the nfc east which they should be imo. then u can cut at least half their ring fingers off
I live in frederick
In between Baltimore and DC every store is Skins gear and Steelers gear with some Ravens gear….I absolutely can’t stand the steelers and their pathetic fans
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
Really !
Last time I checked Helu was a running back 40 Yards rushing doesnt mean that he has " arrived’ his fumble pretty much cost us the game and out of his 14 receptions his longest was 17 yards. The team is in shambles and if Shanny was so high on him, he would not of brought in Choice. None of our recievers still can not get open. Other than Kerrigan no other rookie has been consistant. Another horrible gameplan by Kyle yesterday. one or both of the shanahans need to go
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Yea it sucks when a young RB gets 150+ all purpose yards in his first start ever! He should never play again!
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So
did you even watch the game or just look at the box score. Next thing you will say is that Beck threw for 250 yards and a touchdown. watch out Aaron Rogers !!
The Rod has spoken
If YOU had watched the game, you would've seen the Niners stacked the box to prevent Helu from getting any huge running plays.
He did well considering what he was up against.
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
by ThuGodfather on Nov 7, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They didnt stack the box because of helu
Beck wasnt throwing the ball past 10 yards. Why would any defense play back ? If they were keyed in on him how could he catch 14 dumpoffs
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But they did stack the box?
Which is so conducive to running the football?
It doesn’t matter why they did it, the fact is that they did it.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 7, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't say they stacked it "because of Helu", I sayed they stacked the box
Thus preventing Helu from breaking away.
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
by ThuGodfather on Nov 7, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
*said
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
by ThuGodfather on Nov 7, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
What did you want out of Helu in his first start ever?
We were playing one of the best defenses in the league and he was the only guy on the field actually moving the ball. Your not optimistic about that. Did he make rookie mistakes? Yes. But he’s only going to get better with time.
Shanny would of brought in choice regardless, we need healthy, capable running backs. And if you read the article then you would of noticed I’m not in favor of one guy handling the load, Choice will complement Helu nicely.
What should we do crawl in a hole? Cut Helu?
You’re the dude how wanted TO, what a great personnel decision that would of been.
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Uhh.
I would lile to see more RUNS period. Still dont know what he can do. any back can catch dumpoffs. the Fumble didnt help. and as for choice We still have Royster who have not seen, how about giving him a shot.
And as for TO. If you would watch a Redskins game you would see that we still need a reciever, any reciever to step,up demand a double team, get open. You know all the things that TO does.
Our personnel as it stands sucks at best. I also said that we should of kept Campbell, Resigned Rogers and trade Cooley.
The Rod has spoken
any back can catch dumpoffs.
Torain can’t.
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
by ThuGodfather on Nov 7, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Whats with "if you watched the game" comments, that's so weak dude, come on...
We all watched the game and have different opinions than you, get over it.
And yea, I know what TO does, along with every team in this league. Which one is he playing on again?
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But
Grossman (who NOBODY WANTED) and Beck (WHO NOBODY EVEN KNEW WHO HE WAS) Are guys who your own father “bet his reputation on” were really safe picks.
The reason why I ask if you watch the game because your “stat boy” numbers do not tell the whole story of the game. Some people who visit this site dont live in the area and can not see the game. just reading this post would not tell the true story of what happened yesterday.
The Rod has spoken
I started the article with a glimmer of hope in a beat down, did the deceive you?
The article named “A Bright Spot in a Dark Place”, what stat boy numbers did I throw at you? His yardage?
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Rodskin
That run defense of the niners is pretty damn good. They prob have the best MLB duo in the game, and their D-line is a force.
Helu was averaging over 4 yards per carry against this unit, so IMO, that’s pretty good.
John Denver was a musical genius
by Tiller56 on Nov 7, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Don't throw stats like that at Rodskin!
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If that was the case
why would you stop running the ball ? Only 10 carries is not enough. Which leads to my point that kyle or mike needs to go
The Rod has spoken
Because they were bringing down an 8th man in the box(the safety)
to try and contain the running game………and it worked. That should have opened up the middle of the field in the passing game…….and it did, but Beck for some reason refused to throw there.
John Denver was a musical genius
by Tiller56 on Nov 7, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It was not to contain the running game
even the announcers said it on the game yesterday. Why play back if the QB is not passing the ball deep ? there were no deep attempts at all so they just played up.
The Rod has spoken
But moving an 8th man in the box makes it easier to run?
Once again Rod… It doesn’t matter why they did, it matters that they DID do it.
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If they were
so tuned in to Helu how did he get 14 dumpoffs ? Becks pinpoint accuarcy ? They pretty much ran a base defense and Beck is too stupid to find the open guy so he dumped it off so he wouldnt get sacked 10 times and lose his starting job to Rex. It is pretty clear that is why I keep asking if you guys even watched the game.
The Rod has spoken
Are you not reading? Or what's the problem here?
We’ve said SEVERAL times now that the defense did not “key in on” Roy Helu, all we said was that they stacked the box which makes it very hard to run in a football game.
Let me ask you a very simple question, you can answer “Yes” or “No”. Did the 49ers stack the box yesterday?
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You're hopeless...
I apologize about trying to find a bright spot in Helu yesterday. For now on I’ll just post about how bad we are. I hope you’ll forgive me at some point.
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BREAKING NEWS
Helu is good. Any Redskin fan knows that. But Before they start molding his hall of fame bust, how about we see him run the ball more than 10 times. Gano is a bright spot that could use some praise or how about trying to explain how Reed is still on a NFL roster. Or maybe explain when Kyle or Mike will accept some responsibility for horribe game planning (if we have any). or explain why they run so many play action pass plays but dont actually run to set up the play action (if you watched the games you would know this )
The Rod has spoken
Who was elevating Helu?
You act like I came out and say he was the next big thing in the article. I said we may have found our change of pace back, what’s so offensive about that to you?
In the perfect world I want Helu splitting 10-12 carries with Hightower, who would also be in the same range.
So far in this post you’ve mentioned the Hall of Fame, Adrian Peterson, and Frank Gore. Who was remotely even trying to present him in that matter?
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Hightower
is not coming back kyle. Backs dont come back from injuries like that. So you are missing 1 in your dream backfield (if you believe in your heart of hearts that he is coming back, that would make a great post topic).
In comparing him to other backs, my point was that they face 8 man fronts every week and still manage to be great, Dont abandon the run after 10 carries because there is a 8man front. If they still ran the ball we would really get a feel as to what type of back he was
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Thanks Vin...
In comparing him to other backs, my point was that they face 8 man fronts every week and still manage to be great, Dont abandon the run after 10 carries because there is a 8man front. If they still ran the ball we would really get a feel as to what type of back he was
That’s because they are ADRIAN PETERSON, you can do that with AD, you can’t with Helu. No one was putting Helu on the the level of AD or Gore.
Hightower
is not coming back kyle. Backs dont come back from injuries like that.
They don’t? Jamal Lewis, Willis McGahee, Edgerrin James, and Frank Gore disagree.
Seriously man, what’s the problem? What are you so pissed about?
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my point is
you cant call Helu a “Brightspot” if you dont run him and see what you can do.
And if you are comparing Hightower to those backs then I belive that we are done here.
We are not kids, this is not the special olympics where everyone is a winner, The Redskins have major problems week in and week out that need to be addressed. We have lost 3 games in a row THERE IS NO BRIGHTSPOT. There needs to be some accountability and some sort of explination as to why the team is getting worse. Everyone has injuries and if the drop off between first and second string is this great, the obvious reason is coaching.
Enough with the fluff pieces some people are not in this area and really need to know whats going on with the team
The Rod has spoken
Enough with the fluff pieces some people are not in this area and really need to know whats going on with the team
Then don’t read it man… It’s your choice. I think people that don’t live in this area have a brain enough to figure out what’s going on. I’m sure they didn’t read this and think we still have a shot at the Super Bowl. Grow up.
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maybe
you should put a disclaimer in the heading. Not saying that all post are fluff but this one is kind of misleading.
Superbowl ?? I think we would all be happy with a win at this point.
Grow up ?
If you dont like people commenting on your post DONT WRITE ANY.
The Rod has spoken
Explain to me how it was misleading?
A young rookie had over 150 all purpose yards and could be a valuable part of this team in the future.
That’s the basic plot summary, how were you mislead?
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Lets try this again for about the 5th time
100 yards on 14 receptions is NOT GOOD for any back rookie or vet. He is a RUNNING BACK. The plays were NOT SCRIPTED they were check downs from a shell shocked QB who got sacked 10 times the week before and did not want to lose his job.
Thats what makes this post so misleading you forget little details like that.
Which is why I asked if you watched the game.
The Rod has spoken
Did you really just say it was bad for a RB to get 100 yards off of 14 receptions?
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 7, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't make him explain a 6th time!
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Marshall Faulk and Larry Centers did pretty well catching out of the backfield.
Now he will say I am comparing Helu to Faulk and Centers.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 7, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I watched it and TiVoed it
Our Rooks showed promise. Not sure why you keep saying the numbers are misleading? Beck padded his stats in garbage time as everyone has said but Helu looked good with what he had to work with.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 7, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was actually at the game...
but someone how was unable to watch it according to ole’ Rod.
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REALLY
HE PADDED HIS STATS BY PASSING TO HELU !!
Is this the time when you confess that you are joking. Beccause you really had me going,
The Rod has spoken
I am joking
How dare our QB pass the ball to his safety valve. We either need to go deep or take the sack. Good call Rodster.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 7, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so
there were no other options ? the whole game ? thats the best they could come up with ? no one else was open?no new plays to get people open ?
The Rod has spoken
Yes because that is what we are all saying.
Shannys plan was just to throw the ball to Helu. Rumor is he had him starting in his fantasy league. Good call.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 7, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
sorry
i do not play fantasy football. But I did watch the game. If shanahan comes out and say that was the game plan that was a different story but. But having watched the game most of yardage came in the 4th quarter when the outcome was well decided.
I can not belive that you guys are serious
The Rod has spoken
Are you sure you watched the game?
Because Helu only had 24 yards in the 4th quarter, which means 85% of his yardage came in the first 3 quarters.
But having watched the game most of yardage came in the 4th quarter when the outcome was well decided.
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You are right.
I’m sure Shanny called all of the coaches into his office last week and said “Fuck it guys. We are playing this one with no game plan at all.”
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 7, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know right
I thought the best play call was when Shanny told Beck to throw it into the line, let the Dlineman tip it in the air , and have Helu catch it in the flat for a good gain. You probably didn’t see this because you were at the game but they showed Shanny on the sideline after that play and he said “Nailed it.”
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 7, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What's your point?
Do QBs only throw to people the play was designed for?
Why are you penalizing Helu for having a good game as a safety blanket and doing his job?
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This is what I keep wondering
Dude is pissed that Helu had a good game.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 7, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Even you don't classify it as a "good" game
Helu and the other rookies certainly showcased a “glimmer” of hope for the next couple of years yesterday. That’s all I was trying to convey by the whole write-up.
But apparently I have mislead us all, I’m sorry to everyone that ran out and bought Helu jerseys after reading this post.
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it has been well documented
That you dont spend money on jerseys.
Your fluff post just missed the point thats all anyone who knew who Helu was knew he was good.
What is your next post? I have an idea… The sun is hot
The Rod has spoken
Rod you are awesome
That is all
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 7, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
huh? Where?
it has been well documented
That you dont spend money on jerseys.
You obviously don’t know me at all…
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We had a conversation in the past
you made it clear that you didnt want to spend the $15 to order a jersey from nfl shop (because they offer the whole team). And would wait for it to be released on the website
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Yea and I ordered
a Orakpo throwback instead. I’m glad I didn’t take your advice or I’d have a Hightower jersey with the wrong number on it that cost $40 to much.
Shame on me!
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Well that's not very nice
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Maybe
you could do a post on why you got it? why it took you 3 years to get it but wanted to get a hightower jersey in the preseason.
And i have 32 Redskins jerseys in case you were wondering.
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That's a whole lot of toilet paper
And i have 32 Redskins jerseys in case you were wondering.
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you are both wrong...again
It was not a good game. There are no moral victories at this point he really didnt do anything. Our offense has no direction or identity. Beck has no football IQ so instead of taking the time to find the open man like a good qb he would dump it down because it is “safe”. That is my point
The Rod has spoken
You are right
My nephews Pop Warner team is better then the Skins. We suck. We Fucking suck. I hate life. We should all die.
Better?
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 7, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
not at all
I never said that you could start with Kyle is a joke who is calling our plays, does mike even know what the play is ? has he ever over-ruled one of his sons plays? would he be willing to take over play calling or fire his sun.
The Rod has spoken
I'd like to see a Rodskin VS IH8Dallas
1 on 1 prediction battle for next weeks game.
by skinsfan28 on Nov 7, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You wouldn't throw in washingtonwin?
Make it a triple threat match?
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25 receptions for helu
and Kyle carries him off the field on his shoulders.
Who cares what the score is
Right guys
The Rod has spoken
Yep Rod this is exactly what we were trying to say
nail on the head
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or fire his sun.
He better not. That’s my sun too! And I sure as hell don’t know how he’d fire it.
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
by ThuGodfather on Nov 7, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In Superman 4 he sent all of the Nukes on earth into the Sun
And that didn’t work so I’m out of ideas.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 7, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
We all knew Beck wasn't taking shots downfield
eventhough he had one-on-one coverage, and open receivers all over. The dude was shell-shocked.
And yes, their defense was pretty vanella, but Beck did nothing on his own to make them change that. If he had threatened the middle of the field, or taken shots downfield, it would have caused the defense to play more honest. He didn’t, so they didn’t.
Not about to blame this on Kyle either. He’s not the one throwing the passes.
John Denver was a musical genius
by Tiller56 on Nov 7, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Reguardless
If there are 8 men in the box, you don’t have a ton of lucj running the ball. A hat on a hat, even with a TE in, still leaves 2 men unblocked.
John Denver was a musical genius
It wasn't IF that was the case
It WAS the case. As an offense, you take what defenses give you, and hope to capitalize on that. Unfortunately, we couldn’t. It can’t be blamed on Kyle. We faced one of the best defenses in the NFL, with a banged-up line, a bunch of young guys playing, and a terrible QB.
John Denver was a musical genius
by Tiller56 on Nov 7, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Redskins defense held them to below there season average and caused a turnover. We could of beat that team yesterday if we had ANY type of gameplan. you cant tell me that they knew tha Helu was a monster and needed 8 men in the box it was his first start. And if that was the case then there should of been a better gameplan than dump the ball off 14 times
The Rod has spoken
No, they knew
Beck wasn’t going to beat them with his arm, so they said run the ball if you dare; we’ll be ready. If i’m the niners, and I saw the film from last week, I would have done the same damn think. Do you think any team is scared of Beck and our WR’s………………………hell no. Until we show otherwise, I’d expect each team we face to do the same thing to us.
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by Tiller56 on Nov 7, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that is where
game planning comes in. We dont have one. you think backs like Gore, Peterson and thoes guys dont get 8 in the box ? there teams dont abandon the run or they find other ways to get them in the game. for the record i am not a fan of Beck. Or any of our recievers other than Davis or Moss. I knew this was not going to work
The Rod has spoken
So maybe when teams put 8 in the box, we should mix things up with plays like... screen passes?
We dont have one. you think backs like Gore, Peterson and thoes guys dont get 8 in the box ?
See what just happened there?
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I see my point "running teams "or elite backs dont settle for dumpoffs because of 8 man fronts.
Kyle
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Are you now comparing Helu's skill set to Gore and Peterson?
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 7, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
In the words of Ricky Jean-Francois
“If da O-line blockin, Frank Gore gonna make it do what it do”
Did someone compare Helu to Gore or Peterson here?
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Here, fixed it for you
that is where game planning comes in. We dont haveonea quarterback that can execute one.
John Denver was a musical genius
Watch it
I’ve got chewed out for saying the same thing above. Too many people here think Shanahan still has it… he doesn’t.
We have our wagon his two the wrong set of mules, and very few see that in my opinion.
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 7, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
And agree to disagree
I’m saying we are hooked up correctly and I’m looking forward to the next 3 years.. at least of Shanahan and Allen…IMO the team is going in the right direction.
by dr WNC on Nov 7, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If that's the case then what does that make you? Vinny Cerrato?
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I don't think Shanny has lost it "77
and I also don’t put blame on Kyle. The right people in this offense can make a big difference. Kyle is young, and he played in a spread system at Texas when VY was there. He stays on top of new trends. He or Mike are not like Gibbs, who still throught the counter trey would work when he came back to the NFL.
John Denver was a musical genius
by Tiller56 on Nov 7, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The counter works pretty well against us yesterday
I put the blame on both Shanahan because their players are playing their offense.
Just because Kyle Shanahan does not have Fitzgerald, Matt, Bolton and the like doesn’t give him a pass. You could draft wide receivers in the first round for four years and not hit-ask Matt Millen.
Also, if you want to say that Joe Gibbs stuck with his system for too long, then I think you have to agree so has Mike Shanahan with the zones stretch play-same difference.
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 7, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Every team runs a form of zone blocking
Look at the college teams. 70% run a ZBS. It’s the blocking scheme used in the spread. All the ZBS employs, is instead of saying I have that man, you tell your linemen to block and area. It’s a lot of reach blocks, and combos, and is designed to get guys to the 2nd level. More NFL teams are favoring this over a power trap game, because defenses are too quick for pulls and counters. The damn ends are chasing down plays from the backside, and the d-linemen are too far in the backfield when you leave them unblocked for a second.
This offense really is a good one with the right guys running it.
John Denver was a musical genius
Haha
His fumble cost us the game? Really? Cuz if he didn’t fumble, we would’ve scored 3 touchdowns?
His fumble didn’t help, but it hardly cost us the game. At what point did you notice that we were in such control yesterday?
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Nov 7, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the score
was 6-0 at the time the defense was holding the best that they could. Looking now at Ganos range we may of been able to get 3 out of that drive and go into half down only 3. THEY SCORED THE VERY NEXT PLAY AFTER THE FUMBLE. Deflating the defense and with our offense there is no way we could overcome that
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Again, I ask you
At what point did we look to be in the least amount of control? The defense was in bend but don’t break mode. Gore was tearing us up. Yeah, the fumble sucks. Maybe, MAYBE we could’ve scored there. But it hardly cost us the game. I knew that game was over before halftime. That was one of the most inept performances I’ve seen by an offense in years. Take Helu out of the equation, and THEN how bad does it get?
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
you never know
All I can say is that if the Redksins are holding a team to 6 points in the first half then we still have a chance.
The Rod has spoken
In theory
It sounds good. And the defense always gives us a chance. But I just didn’t see any poin tin that game where we even LOOKED LIKE we might take control. Beck can’t see past 10 yards, which severely limits anything we want to do. He looked like a 3rd grader playing varsity against Buffalo. No chance he was gonna be better against a good defense. Our only chance to win coming in was for the defense to make a few big plays, and stop Frank Gore. Neither happened.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Nov 7, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
they held him in check
up until that point but with a 13 point lead. they just have to run gore the rest of the game and that was pretty much what they did.
The Rod has spoken
"Up until that point"
Exactly. But our defense is awful against the run. No chance we were gonna keep him in check all game. Was never gonna happen. Not that it mattered, cuz our offense wasn’t gonna out score theirs, period.
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Quick notes from the game
Optimistic about:
Special teams, good work out there except for mr BB.
Oline depth. The offensive line in general was much improved yesterday, thank god. They still have a long way to go but Hurt played hard and did well. Monty back at center, kept things under control for much of the game. Everyone got blown up here and there but generally they did well. Last week was a disaster so we needed to see some rebounding.
Helu, he ain’t bad.
Hanky, got involved in the game good to see and hopefully continues.
Young, didn’t have a bad game either.
Other than that, it’s really really really clear we need a qb this draft. I tried to give beck a few games to see if he could light a fire under this team. Nope.
Fred davis, while a decent player, runs lazy routes. The beck interception I might say was on him. The guy pulled up at the break and jogged, terrible. I keep catching him doing that several times a game.
Defense, learn2tackle. Watching ravens/steelers and it’s just night and day when it comes to form tackles. Sad that coaches aren’t allowed enough practice time to work on basics that also decrease injuries.
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
I can agree with all of this
I need a little more emphasis that are right tackle is an extreme liability
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 7, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Agree
Helu was a bright spot, but a RB catching 14 passes says something about our WR’s and the offense in general. Couldn’t see the game here in Cowgirl country so don’t really know how the O-line did, but sounds like there is some improvement there.
by redskins-texas-fan on Nov 7, 2011 10:57 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
In defense of the offense
I will say that there were times when receivers were running wide open, but beck did not see/throw to them. The dude will have to kill himself during film review again this week because he had a chance for a few td’s. There was even a busted coverage later in the game that could have led to points. Decent qb’s hit those and this games a lot closer than it was.
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
absolutely
I remembe rJabar had bunt the secondary one a play which could have been a score yet Beck threw for 3 yards
Just say NO! to Rex Grossman.
Helu’s a nice piece to puzzle. Good #2 back. Hankerson and Hurt need work but they played pretty well. Giving these guys some playing time is the smart thing to do!
by Redskin44 on Nov 7, 2011 11:06 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
especially Hank
I think his catches gave him some confidence, and sometimes that is all that is needed to break out
Just say NO! to Rex Grossman.
Case in point: The Jint's Ramses Barden
That guys a beast of a WR. Took him 3 years to get on the field. One year was due to injury. I think we’ll be seeing his name in the future.
HTTR!
Well said
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may sound funny but
I was actually more excited about getting Hank in the 3rd rnd than any other pick we had in the draft…..just glad he is getting a shot now
Just say NO! to Rex Grossman.
by irishgoon on Nov 7, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea, lets hope they keep with him the rest of the year
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well that's your call Kyle heh
Just say NO! to Rex Grossman.
by irishgoon on Nov 7, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
good point...
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I view Helu as a #1 RB
6’ 220 with 4.4 speed, and good hands who runs hard and finishes well. Choice can offer him some rest
John Denver was a musical genius
by Tiller56 on Nov 7, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
+1
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Hank
Loved that back shoulder throw to him on the 2 point conversion. That is exactly the type of play you want to see him making in our offense (was reminiscent of Greg Jennings or Hakeem Nicks).
Hopefully we will see this play a lot more, both in the Redzone and around the rest of the field.
Yeah
as soon as I saw Hank one-on-one outside, I was praying Beck would give him a look. Hope to see more of this in the future!
John Denver was a musical genius
Hell, even throw the jump ball with hank
He’s 6’ 2", physical, and can jump. He’s a nice red zone weapon.
John Denver was a musical genius
honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the call was for a jump ball
I was at the stadium, and need to see a replay, but it looked like Hank was ready to jump.
No, I believe it was a back shoulder
because of the way the CB was playing him. On that play, it’s important for both the WR and QB to make a pre-snap read based on the tech of the CB. The CB was playing inside eye, which meant Hank went into him, and immediatly used his body as a shiled, then turned to the outside for the back-shoulder.
It’s really all predetermined by what and how the defense is playing you.
If thrown correctly, like Beck did, that play is almost indefensivable given how the CB played it.
John Denver was a musical genius
Ore than the play
I loved the way he Michael Irvin’d the guy for the ball. When’s the last time we had a receiver actually FIGHT for the ball? Fred Davis can learn a thing or two in that area.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Helu did fine, but has room for improvemenT
Good hands, very quick, good elusiveness. And a motor.
But he made a few bad reads, one was egregious. Also has to hold onto the ball. But overall, more than willing to give him a shot at the number 1 job.
Great points, he was for from perfect but will get better with experience
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Yeah it makes me think of Mojo
love to have him but how many fumbles did he have the other week? We can’t throw the baby out with the bathwater
Just say NO! to Rex Grossman.
Btw -14 receptions says more about Beck playing scared than anything else.
shows a fear of deeper routes either due to lack of confidence in himself, his receivers, or fear of a quick hook. This winds up letting safeties creep up, making stretch plays, or staple, very hard.
A less obvious reason for our lack of high yardage runs. But that is another post Will be interested in UK’s write up.
by DavidDunn on Nov 7, 2011 11:52 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Anyone notice our defenders leaping at the line of scrimmage when Alex Smith wound up to throw the ball?
Liked this a lot. The kept forcing him to pull back and look for a different passing lane. They didn’t do this enough early in the year and should keep it up. Gives more time for the pass rush to get there and could lead to more batted/tipped balls at the line.
omg +1000000
we have had bad games but overall I feel our D has come such a long way from that pile of dung from last year
Just say NO! to Rex Grossman.
now if he would just spray paint his cleays silver we would be set.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
cleats, obviously
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
Despite the loss
I’m still excited to see we truly do have some great building blocks for the future.
Hated him at the Fed
but I like his environmental activism. Not to keen on his political persuasion. As a football player he looks like he will make a decent blocking tight end.
by hambonejackson on Nov 7, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
lol I guess I left myself open for that one
you know what I meant, I think he blocks well, and has shown that he is capable of making big time catches
Just say NO! to Rex Grossman.
He has reliable hands.
He is a good complement to Davis and Cooley.
by hambonejackson on Nov 7, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Cooley
I also noticed Cooley on the sidelines wearing all Burgundy, hat, windbreaker and all….and I saw him talking to teammates a lot on the sidelines, offering advice and encouragement.
Anyone think he’s in line to be a coach with this team when he’s done playing? Despite his goofy nature, he’s actually an incredibly smart football player and his passion for this franchise is huge.
I would like nothing more than for him to remain part of this organization even after he’s done playing
Simply put...no
He’s set himself up for TV so far in advance
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Both...
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Joe Gibbs was a TE
What makes you think Cooley won’t be a hall of fame coach?
by hambonejackson on Nov 7, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather
See him work his way back to being a reliable and productive player for us. We don’t have enough of the right now.
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The board is so strange today without iH8Dallas commenting
It’ll be a long while before we see him again. On the plus side, he has found a loophole out of his Twilight sig line bet
He lost a bet
That now requires the Redskins to win two more games before he posts again
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 7, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
As his attorney
Ih8dallas can’t post.
by hambonejackson on Nov 7, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Ha....oh well. I'm sure he's having fun reading
How many times do you think he’s typed a response only to hit the Cancel button?
I would bet the odds are 41-17 he has posted and canceled
…just like his prediction for every Redskins game…
good cheaters never get caught
and are called veteran players.
by hambonejackson on Nov 7, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
let's have some fun with this shall we?
Hey H8, screw twilight, I hate glittery vampires (why don’t you just have them dancing to show tunes), that chick looks like a crackhead that hangs out at the store near my house.
Waiting for your response my friend….LOL
Just say NO! to Rex Grossman.
sorry would have been better but
most of my jokes that apply here would offend…um…how should I say this……the straightly challenged? Or would the heterosexually challenged be more PC?
Just say NO! to Rex Grossman.
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