Who's to blame, the coaches or the players?
by UkRedskin on Nov 6, 2011 5:52 PM EST
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PrintSo I've been thinking this over. After the recent run of defeat, who would I blame more for the losses? I'm still not sure. I've been going through the debate back and fourth and I can't say one way or another.
On one hand we have the coaches. Now we can argue that play-calling (especially on offense) has been suspect. Why would you keep trying shots down-field when receivers are struggling to get open and the Oline can hold protection for that long? John Beck is our QB, why on earth are we letting him throw 30+ times a game?? 3 yard crossing route on 3rd and 20, what's going on?!??!? The offense doesn't look prepared to go out and execute. Players are making fundamental mistakes that should be drilled into them. Ill-disciplined penalties that the coaches should be filtering out of their players.
But on the other hand, how much of that can we put on coaches? Vinny Cerrato left us in a bad place, with a lot of bad players on the team which we are still recovering from. Fundamental things like form tackling and protecting the ball are basics that players should know how to do. Coaches expect players to know that and have more important things to focus on in practice. Coaches can only teach so much, some players just aren't that talented.
I put this question out on twitter and got a few good response back. But I think by far the best one was from @DFett88 who said:
No blame. This is part of rebuild process. We need to be patient and keep expectations realistic.
This is an excellent point. But I know a lot of fans will still want to point the finger at someone. So I'll open up a poll here.
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I agree with DFett
We are rebuilding. Shanahan came in with very few good pieces. He basically said after the game that we are rebuilding and the rest of the season will be evaluating the roster.
Need to give this coaching staff at least 1 more year before calling for heads. That means no freaking till year 4 of Shanny. By then he wiil have the players on O and D to make a good run.
Also cut Banks. That is all.
I did ask on twitter
in a ‘random note’ if this was the last time we saw Banks in a Redskins uniform.
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I hope he is gone
I didn’t mind keeping him in the preseason because we needed all of the playmakers we could get. But he has hurt us more then helped us. Between the muffed kicks, taking it out from 9 yards deep and starting us at our own 15, and taking up a spot we could give to someone that can do more for us I say let his ass go now.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 6, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see it
I can’t believe that Banks is not being told to bring them out or at the least he is being told to take a knee. i think that Banks is following Danny Smiths gameplan & that plan seems to be run it out. He looks a lot more tentatve to me than he has in the past & has lost some of the fluidity of his returns but I think he will still be in B&G next week.
I also agree with DFett
You can’t turn things around overnight. With some of our best players injured and having whatever good players we have on the injured list what to you expect? We do need an experienced quarter back and more seasoned players would help.
I think we are getting there but it won’t turn around overnight.
It's a rebuilding process..but
I would say its a mix of both.
In a way I vote all of the above..
The players are clearly making far too many basic mistakes and that’s being combined with some very questionable playcalling from the coaches, but in the last few weeks on the offensive side of the ball at least they have just looked unprepared and sloppy . For me the blame there ultimately has to fall with the coaches.
That being said I do still have confidence in the long term plan. At this point it’s the defense that’s been focused on and it looks in pretty good shape so next year I fully expect big moves to be made to improve the offense.
Some of the sloppiness isn't about coaching...
it’s a lack of talent and/or effort. The latter part is inexcusable, and you can’t do much about the former. Either way, these are more issues with personnel IMO and should be addressed in FA/draft.
Plus the mistakes are repeating themselves
That is the worst part they keep making the same mistake over and over
i agree with dfett
I saw things today that made me mad and saw some that made me think we are on the right path. Helu played a lot better than what I was expecting to see from him. Hankerson had a couple great catches and it looked like the D did all they could. Its a long process but a rewarding one if done right. Oh and Brandon banks has got to go
by no more kwame's in dc on Nov 6, 2011 6:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Is the coaching staff putting us in the best position to win?
Or are we playing for draft position now? Seems it’s obvious Grossman is the better option, Banks is taking up a spot, and we need help on the o-line, even someone off the street or PS.
HTTR!
Vinny did not leave this team in a bad place
Shanahan has steadfastly refused to get top players, apparently deciding to go with his coaching genius. This team is all Shanahan, and it’s a mess.
In what way was the team not in a bad place?
or am I missing a heavy dose of sarcasm?!
Joe Gibbs (who ran things the four years before Zorn) was building a solid team
when he left, with Vinny Cerrato’s help. Zorn did not use the talent he had. The team was also hurt by the collective decision to try to get one more year out of Chris Samuels and Randy Thomas, who both got hurt, devastating the O-line.
Compare Zorn’s offensive team to this year’s. I think Zorn’s was better at QB, O-line, WR, RB (CP far better than anybody we have now), TE. When I was trying to forecast this year, I recognized that the offense was very weak – I said a 3 or 4 out of 10, but assumed that they would beef up the O-line in FA and trades, and hoped that either Rex or Beck would be a competent QB, bringing the offense up to a weak average. None of that happened. From the start, the only top people on the offense were Moss, Cooley and Williams. None of the others would be starting for other teams. Only TW was brought in by Shanahan. The offense lacks talent – they just aren’t good enough.
Shanahan ruined the defense last year by the switch to the 3-4 without having the necessary players. This year they added some good people, but chose to get a true DE as their NT, apparently going with small and quick instead of muscle. Now they can’t stop the run. In short, this team is Shanahan’s team, and so far he has done considerably worse than the Joe Gibbs/Vinny Cerrato team. He has made so many mistakes and bad decisions that Snyder could well decide to fire him.
All that said, the season isn’t over yet. We have three winnable games coming up (@Mia, Dallas, @ Sea) and if we could win them, we’d be 6-5 and still in the race. Consider that Atogwe should return soon, Moss could return in a couple of weeks, Choice may play, Beck might improve with a couple of games under his belt, and some of the rookies might start to improve. Whatever happens, it won’t be because of Vinny Cerrato – it will be all Shanahan.
Vinny did kill us but that's not the only problem we've had
Gibbs was getting by despite the fact that Vinny couldn’t draft worth a hoot. The claims that Gibbs had lost his coaching ability were false – he was doing great considering the lack of talent on the team. But even a great coach can only do so much with poor talent and that’s where VC comes in.
Part of the problem with VC was his habit of trading picks for players which is OK sometimes but he really went overboard and we ended up with a really old team. An old team with a maxed out salary and very little future potential. Teams that are on the threshold of winning a championship trade for lots of players, not rebuilding teams. VCs attempts to bring in youth were awful, just look at how many of VCs picks aren’t even playing in the NFL now.
VC should have seen how old the OL was. Chris Samuels will always be one of my all time favorite Redskins but nobody plays OL forever.
However I have to agree that Shanahans move to the 3-4 defense was a terrible idea, especially when he keeps trying to get by without bringing in a top notch NT – the position that the 3-4 experts say is the key to the defense.
And Shanahan has been here long enough that this is now his team. Is it reasonable to expect the rebuild to be completed already? No, I don’t think so – the team he started with was just too old and lacking talent. But Shanahan has been here long enough that it is his mess and not anyone else mess. He made the move for McNabb and thought that Beck / Grossman were good enough…riiiight.
Yeah. We should be in the superbowl next year
Give me a break. Rebuilding takes years. At this point Danny Snyder is such damaged goods, he has to give Shanny an extended run just to convince any possible future HoF coach out there that this organization will give them a fair chance. If Danny fires Shanahan, no coach worth a damn will enter Redskins park until Danny croaks.
You must be Cerrato or high?
This team was a laughing stock when Shanny took over. Everyone knows that Cerrato killed us. Shanny has already turned over 2/3 of the roster and we have had more picks in the past two years then in the 5 years prior combined.
I can’t believe any Redskins fan would defend Cerrato.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 6, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
He clearly is trolling or just dumb. The players that Shanahan brought in are some of the better players on the team.
He's not trolling
So draw your own conclusion.
Jarvis Jenkins
Kory Lichtensteiger
Tim Hightower
Santana Moss
Chris Cooley
Phillip Buchanon
Byron Westbrook
Tashard Choice
Oshiomoghu Atogwe
by Jim America on Nov 6, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Do you want a list of who and what Vinny did to this team?
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 6, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
From the Washington Post today:
“He has overhauled the roster in 1 1/2 seasons and is mostly relying on players he selected. Of the 25 healthy players on offense, only 5 predate Shanahan…” Of Sunday’s starters, only Davis and Montgomery were on the 53 man roster before Shanahan came…" I don’t usually defend Vinny, but he left the Skins with more talent than there is now on the roster. Shanahan has refused to get quality players.
Donnio
I think your confusing quality with youth here. Shanny has brought in many quality players; whey are just the opposite of the age spectrum that what we are used to seeing at Redskins Park. The whole Vinny era was filled with aging vets, who yes, at one point in their careers had talent, but most were approaching the twightlight of their careers.
Now Shanny has chosen to go a different path. He has brought in an infusion of youth, and although they not be the “big names” you are used to seeing around here, they are pleanty talented.
Here is an eaxmple:
Vinny – would have signed a 30 year old Asmoungh(sp) to play CB
Shanny/Bruce – signed a 26 year old Josh Wilson
Vinny – would have signed a 31 year old Cullen Jenkins to play DE
Shanny/Bruce – Signed a 27 year old Bowen
Vinny – Would have signed a 31 year old Franklin to play NT
Shanny/Bruce – Signed a 27 year old Coefield
It’s all about getting younger, and getting players that fit the team.
John Denver was a musical genius
Nah. Shanahan had one whole off-season to take us to the super bowl
Fire him now.
by horatius on Nov 7, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I completely disagree with this
Many of them are young and developing. I hate to tell you but it’s going to be a good 2 years until we start seeing the returns on it and as long as we keep drafting like we did last year we’ll get there in a few years. This notion that we should be in 1st first place after a season and a half with the newest coach is ridiculous. That’s how we end up in last for long periods of time, by not staying the course because our owner has ADHD. We need to take our lumps for a few years and keep drafting.
Vinny cerrato left us with the most college talent an NFL team has ever had.
I agree with you but one could say just look at the team that beat us.
Funny how the NFL works.
HTTR!
Thing is team's tend to rise quickly and fall quickly
In part has to do with the schedule and in part players play, but IMO What the Redskins are doing are building a team which can and will be solid for years…in years….
Also San Fran had alot better base for Harbaugh then the Skins had for Shanny
San Fran wasn’t completely void of talent like we were.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 6, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
SF has a stud LB, a stud RB, stud TE and a #1 overall QB, and very good WR. Granted Smith is a bust for that position but he is better than Rex and Beck combined. Crabtree and Edwards are better than our entire receiving corp even though i hate both of them. Willis, Gore and Davis would be instant #1 on this team by a mile.
Actually. their QB is ok at best. They dont use their TD to his capabilities. Both WR are underperforming head cases, Great RB….and three 1st RD offensive linemen that make all the difference. And the other two linemen are very solid veterans, not 7th round draftees on rookie contracts.
by les boulez bomber on Nov 7, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Shanny made the decision
“Or are we playing for draft position now?”
- I don’t believe Shanny would ever deliberately lose games. He has too much pride for that.
That said, today he decided that this was not our year. I see the decision to start Helu and Hankerson as clear signs that he is looking for future weapons now. I think that may be why Beck is still the starter as well: he has the rapport with those young weapons from the first 5 or 6 weeks of the season.
Just look at where the throws are going: niles Paul, Hank, Helu, Davis. This week, we decided to check out the 2012-2013 redskins while still in 2011.
I agree with the strategy and do not think our team is a mess. Our offense is a mess but losing to a 6-1 team by 8 is not a failed team effort (granted the TD came late against an almost prevent D).
by speddfreak on Nov 6, 2011 6:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Numbers... 14 and 17
14 – Number of receptions for you RB.
17 – Longest pass play, on a batted ball to your RB.
This inherently means your QB is looking to check downs and flats first and then progressing to deeper routes. Evidence is very strong for this as I saw many plays with the deeper routes open but never even looked at as though their sole intent was to clear out.
The result – Safeties start creeping up more and more with no deep threat, making running extremely hard, especially wide stretch plays.
So tell me whether this is design, or a QB fearing his job after an INT, and I can assign blame.
I also see no creativity at all in run plays. I sit at the stadium and call direction of every run based on package, formation, and motion. And even then, their are almost no counters or complex blocking schemes. That may have worked in the 90s NFL, but can it really work now. Is the Texans RB play design this simplistic?
There is a lot of blame to go around, and it is extremely frustrating to continue spending money on this nonsense.
My 2 cents…
My friend is a Texans fan.
They run a very similar offense to us, if not the same. Their running game is basically the same as us, so it does still work in today’s NFL. Just to point that out.
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That was my question....I don't see them a lot, so i was wondering if
it is all zone blocking stretch basics, or if they had more nuance. I am going to watch their game next week if possible, because this one is really irking me. I know their concepts are the same, but I want to see if the calls are so basic.
thanks…
I've been saying for 2 months that we run the same O as Houston
Matt Schaubs best year was with Shanny Jr. as is O cooridinator. We just need the pieces and it will all work out. Shanny jr is calling plays like a one armed one legged guy in a fist fight. Just wait till he has two arms and legs.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 6, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
in that scenario
The reason he has one arm and one leg is because he chopped them off himself. He is the one that said Rex and/or Beck would thrive.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
What is he supposed to say? They are going to suck all year long?
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 6, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously...
the coaches can’t start season saying, well, we suck at QB, so we’re looking at a 6 win season. No… you go with what you have, get your youth in the game, and try to get them to play as well as they can… because we got another draft and FA to get some O talent.
Now? No
But they were saying both of these guys could play WELL before the season started. They said there was NO NEED to bring in another QB. Were there a lot of options? No. But, like I said, anyone would have been better.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Who would they have brought in? Unless you are crazy to think we should have taken Mallet or Gabbard who else was there?
andy dalton had great #s coming out of college, highly rated and went in the second round
kerrigan is very solid, but he benefits tremendously from orapko…as beck benefits from our O line. EG, 6 of last weeks sacks occurred in less than 2.5 seconds per ESPN…that is line play pure and simple. he didnt have a chance
by les boulez bomber on Nov 7, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
and QBs dont develop when they are shell shocked.
which is the only reason i keep harping on building a line that can protect our QB. because we will get one, probably next year. but he will get eaten up if u throw him to the wolves.
by les boulez bomber on Nov 7, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
When healthy
our line is not as bad as people make it out to be. Moving Monty back to C is what needed to happen. Hurt played well at G for a rookie. TW, although not 100%, looked pretty good yesterday. The right side is a bit of a question mark. O free agent or two could change that drastically.
The QB is our obvious problem.
John Denver was a musical genius
Exactly
People are overblowing the line thing a little. This isn’t the worst line in history. Hell, it’s not even the worst line in OUR history. But people need to realize that a quarterback can help a line just as much as the line can help the QB.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
CJ
People overblow the whole O-Line thing every year. This is HH, and people want a return of the Hogs.
Year after year, no matter how we address the o-line in the previous offseason, we still get the same people saying the same things – “we need better O-Linemen”, “Games are won and lost in the trenches”, and my all-time favorite, “a rookie QB will never survive behind our offensive line”.
People will never be satisified with the O-Line in DC, unless Grimm, Bostic, Jacoby, Stink, and the boys all come out of retirement…………and people woould still probably complain that they are too old
John Denver was a musical genius
no that's not what most people want
they want to give the new QB a decent chance to survive and not have him beaten up. If 6 of the sacks from last weeks game occurred in less than 2.5 seconds then that is a clear indicator that the OL just isn’t getting the job done. I don’t think we need pro bowl players at every OL position but what we’ve got right now is terrible.
I’m even OK with grabbing a QB in the draft so long as we don’t start him until the OL is solidified into something at least mediocre.
But I get what you’re saying – OL isn’t the only place we lack quality players and we do need a QB. At this point I’m wishing we’d made a trade for Newton or drafted Dalton because as bad as the OL play is we need a QB more than anything. I have no faith in Beck or Grossman.
Really poor exaggeration
You know damn well we’ve neglected the line with early draft picks for over a decade.
Since Chris Samuels we’ve drafted 3 OL in the first three rounds.
Three.
And that would be ok if we developed talent from other places, but we haven’t.
Don’t exaggerate like that. Wait to complain until we actually invest a lot of resources in the OL.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
ouch, that time to sack is a painful statistic
you’ve got to give a QB more than 2.5 seconds to throw the ball.
I don't think
You’re quite getting what I’m saying. No, I don’t think we should’ve taken Gabbert. I actually think Kerrigan is our best rookie since Sean Taylor. Mallet? Third round? I probably would’ve taken a flyer there. Hell, we took a flyer on Hankerson there, that outcome is still TBD. But again, that’s not my point. My point is, they should have brought in SOMEBODY else. Tim Hasselbeck is the easy answer. But I would rather have Tavaris Jackson than these guys. Do I LIKE Jackson? No. Just that he’s better than these guys. Hell, I’da brought in old ass Jeff Garcia. Are any of these long term solutions? Not by far. But neither is either guy we have. The difference is, at least someone else would make this train wreck easier to stomach.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I am pretty sure you don't want Tim Hasselbeck
He’s worse than both Grossman and Beck.
Heck, he's not even last as long as John Beck did in the league.
He actually had a 0 passer rating in one game.
I guess we just have different opinions on QBs. Hasselbeck is terrible, possibly worse than Beck. Garcia is done, 3 years ago i would have said yes in a heart beat. Now Jackson i will say is clearly better than what we have. However, we don’t know who Allen tried to get behind the scenes. Maybe they made some calls and people were not interested in coming to a bad team when we don’t overpay anymore.
by Jeff Bernard on Nov 7, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
he didnt have to
week 1 was our superbowl and the pre season was our playoffs. that was to show we will be good soon. the plan was to have only rex or beck as our only option at qb so they can`t be blamed for a 3-13 season. so we can get a franchise qb and the fans would forgive shanahan by next pre season. i think 1 more draft and we are a playoff team. and 2 more years we are a deep playoff team then the next year we are a superbowl team. as long as we can draft good and make some more good FA moves.
Btw-on that 3rd and 20
From the stadium…it looked like a bunch of vertical routes and the D was basically in a deep cover 4…so NO ONE was covering the crossing pattern intended to open up the verticals.
What I saw was Beck make a quick read and pass to the wide open guy, with no conceptualization of down and distance to check if a vertical was worth a shot…
I would be interested in this play in your breakdown if good angles are available, but tv may not have shown the full patterns.
Oh, there was a 3rd and 20? lol
I was just joking and making a generalization of complaints I’ve heard on here and twitter.
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which is no different than the 3rd and 4...
that lead to a 1 yard incompletion. We need 4….why in the hell would you throw it 1 yard? That field is big as crap, why?
didn't get to watch game
But I got the play by play on my phone I’ll probably watch it tomorrow night. However I can’t blame anyone, this team is young rebuilding and in its first real year under shanahan. Last year doesn’t count because he was left with no draft and 35 year old starters everywhere. I can’t even fault Kyle, you can’t say since he came to Washington he got worse at play calling. He cut his talent in half.
The only team in the league pathetic enough to lose on purpose is the colts. Weather it be lack of effort or bad play calling on the coordinators part i do not know. I hope they don’t get Andrew Luck because that is a insult to their whole organization they way they tried to get him.
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
by jbh1190 on Nov 6, 2011 7:06 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
talent was cut in 3/4
1. don’t watch it….because you will assign blame afterwards.
2. I don’t think the colts are intentionally losing. They put Orlovsky in for goodness sakes. That just shows their dedication to winning. Looking at Beck, they’re probably saying the same thing about us.
I live in Indy...
it definitely isn’t on purpose. Their defense is abysmal, and they had no QB backup plan. Their line is full of injuries (sound familiar) as well. The difference (3 wins) between us and them is team defense.
manning didnt let no1 but him take any snaps...
i bet u right now. he is still getting most of the snaps lol
100% with DFett
Re-building rookie WRs, RB, Lineman, Redskins worked on Defense and tried to supplement the offense. Defense while not great is good and over 50% of the players are playing in this scheme for the first year…Rebuilding…
I blame
Shanny the team president more than anything. I know we’re supposed to be rebuilding, so I’m fine with giving them time, but the organization still has a responsibility to at least TRY and be competitive. I really don’t think they did that. Everyone around the league knew our QB’s were garbage before the season started, yet Shanny “staked his reputation” on BOTH of them. All we’re seeing now is yet another example of the rest of the league standing around laughing at us, while we’re in the corner with the dunce cap on,
I just hope they’re not dumb enough to go into NEXT year with either one of these guys starting.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Believe me
I understand 20/20 hindsight, and that it’s easy for ME to say this stuff now, but I think the professionals SHOULD have known better.
You ask me who would’ve been better? Is that a real question? How about ANYONE. The real question is, could anyone else have been worse? We may as well have taken a QB in the 7th round and started him.. At least then there would’ve been that rookie excitement. Can anyone REALLY say they’re the least bit excited to watch either of our guys play?
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I was so depressed we didn't take a QB anywhere in the draft
and I’ll say with 100% certainty, that I was not excited at all at the prospect of either QB leading our offense this season.
John Denver was a musical genius
yep
Which is why it absolutely amazes me that some people on here STILL think we shouldn’t get a quarterback.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I haven't met 1 person on here that doesn't want a new QB next year.
Hell if there was a better option this year I think we would all jump for joy.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 6, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't say WANT
I said “shouldn’t get”. Two different things. And there are a few people who don’t think we SHOULD GET a QB, that we should wait until the year AFTER next.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
There are also a LOT of people
who think we should wait until the second, OR settle on a guy like Tannehill for our future.
If we bypass the top talent at QB in this draft(even Barkley, whom I don’t really like), for the likes of Tannehill, I will me majorly pissed. We need a good QB who can step in and play early. Period.
John Denver was a musical genius
I saw a good bit of Tannehill on Sat and was not impressed....
Landry was not exactly lighting it up either though.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
Yep
I’m tired of settling for the 2nd (or 3rd) tier quarterbacks. We’ve already dealt with the Patrick Ramsey’s and Jason Campbell’s. It’s time we get a top tier QB.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Haha
I’m not so sure we’re that far from landing Luck after all. We’ll know more this time next week.
I also haven’t ruled out Griffin yet. He’s definitely intriguing. Then again, who knows if he’ll even come out.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
No, not really asking
Just saying the options, while some of the rookie QBs which were available could be better, it would have resulted in possibly no Kerrigan or Helu; who seem to have promise. I’m saying Beck and Rex suck but a better option may not have been and in my opinion was not available. So next year, maybe
We passed on Ryan Mallett 3x's
Do you think he would have been a better option? I certainly do.
John Denver was a musical genius
He was not a cke head, it was RX pain meds
same as Brett Favre. And yes, the kid can sling the rock. In the 3rd, he would have been an unbelievable value. Just wait a few years, and you’ll see exactly what I mean.
John Denver was a musical genius
i agree
this dude is a more accurate tom brady. I did a whole post on him
by back_to_the_future on Nov 7, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, i take your wait a few years and you will see what i mean and i raise it with a wait a few years and you will see he sucks.
by Jeff Bernard on Nov 7, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I'da taken Mallet
Over anyone but Jenkins or Kerrigan from our draft. Or even Stanzi. But I’m not even talking about our “future” at quarterback. I’m talking about someone COMPETENT who can fill in until that future arrives. I’m not even talking about draft picks necessarily. I’m talking about ANYONE.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I agree that professionals should have known better
Is this part of the Shanahan arrogance?
Definitely
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
seriously,
Could he have been much worse than that crap we saw today?
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Didn't you say the same thing about Beck when Grossman threw 4 ints??
It can always get worse.
Yes, I was wrong
About Beck. Turns out he is AT LEAST as bad as Grossman. If you are OK with that, that’s fine. I’m not. I’ve watched some awful quarterbacking here over the last 20 years. I haven’t seen any less competent than what I saw yesterday.
Frankly, it’s a little alarming to me that this staff put such faith in both of these guys,two of the worst performers as STARTING quarterbacks over the last decade.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
It looks like you didn't know about Tim Hasselbeck.
google him. He actually had a 0 passer rating in a game.
Nope, I remember Hasselbeck
He was awfull too. Actually, not unlike Beck, I remember him coming in against Philly and looking half decent. But as soon as teams had tape on him, all down hill.
Anyway, you’re splitting hairs. Did Beck throw 4 picks? No. But hi summers are deceiving at best. Can you actually tell me you that we had 200+ yards passing in that game? I didn’t know it until after the game. All I remember was Beck overthrowing, under throwing, and NOT throwing to every receiver out there.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Hurt played well today in his first career start
I was actually surprised at his athleticism. He moves well for a big man. He was constantly downfield in runs. I also like the attitude he showed mixing it up with Smith.
John Denver was a musical genius
I'll elaborate a bit more on this tomorrow
but the 49ers attacked him with TEX stunts, and he was slow to leave the DE to Trent and move onto the OLB.
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I think that can, and will come with time
Blitz and stunt pickups is one of the hardest parts of the game for a rookie linemen to learn. I remember how great Iupati was projected to be as a rookie, and he had a lot of trouble with blitzes and stunts his rookie year. I was happy with his effort and overall ability. He has a very strong lower body.
John Denver was a musical genius
Agreed
Struggles are to be expected, he is more athletic than expected & could be an asset down the line
I really didn't know much about him when we drafted him
and although I watched Florida 4-5 times last year, he really never stood out in a game to me. When we drafted him, I went back to find some footage, so I could see what we were getting, and even his tape from Florida didn’t look stellar.
He was much quicker and stronger than I thought. He really surprised me.
John Denver was a musical genius
Some people are late bloomers. Let's hope we have a diamond in the rough.
Heaven knows we are due to find one right? right?!?!
True to that!
I just never realized he moved that well for a big guy. His feet are much better than I thought. Actually surprised he hell out of me.
John Denver was a musical genius
Yes
I was very impressed with the both of them. Helu is dynamic in the passing game. Hank seems to take some plays off, but when he plays all out, you can see he has the talent. He looks the part too.
John Denver was a musical genius
Did Hankerson run a couple of bad routes?
I actually was hoping he would have had a better showing but there really wasn’t much more he could have shown the way Beck was making decisions out there.
HTTR!
yeah that was on Beck
there were plenty of opportunities yet Beck decides to either check down or throw into coverage
Just say NO! to Rex Grossman.
He and Beck certainly were not on the same page
but that is to be expected. I assume they will both get better in the 2nd half of the season.
On a side note, does anyone else think Beck tries to throw the damn ball too hard all the time? He needs some touch on some of those throws. He tries to zip everything in there all the time.
John Denver was a musical genius
I think he is trying so hard to NOT throw an int
that he refuses to attempt to make big plays
Just say NO! to Rex Grossman.
I think his problem is that he knows in the huddle where he is going to throw it....
most of the time he threw it whether the target was open or not…the other times he immediately checked down to the RB instead of the other routes. He did the same thing last week.
Exactly
The guy doesn’t go through progressions at all. Watch him on nearly every play. He stares down the receiver every single time. The one time you see him come off his 1st read is to dump it to the RB in the flat. Also he looks scared back there like he doesn’t want to throw picks. You can’t play scared at QB or else those are the results.
Yep, you can tell a lot by what teammates say. They usually know better than anyone who is the better player.
by Jeff Bernard on Nov 7, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Totally agree...
he’s trying so hard to not be Rex lite that it does hinder him. I’d rather see an int and several TD passes (NOT saying that’s what Rex would give us) than the horrible effort that’s been the past two games for him.
Didn't he throw some really weak passes to Helu trying to put a touch on them?
And ended up making 5 yards, when he could have had 15 with 10 YAC.
Absolutely...
I noticed that in preseason as well, I think this was the one thing that had me most concerned about Beck.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
I agree now is the time for patience but
We might as well rule out next season as well because we have so many holes and bad traits that this team is not going to turnaround that quick,
The need for leadership is huge right now.
You can never underestimate
what a good young QB can do for a team. I wouldn’t rule anything out for next year.
A QB, a few linemen and a playmaker at WR, and we could be right on track.
John Denver was a musical genius
And who's to say
The Rookie WR don’t step up, shrinking the list to a QB, lineman and some concern for the secondary exist
Oh, I think they can, and will(and it would make my day) : )P
but I would still trade in Stallworth and Gaffney for another young, big WR; a game-changer if you will.
John Denver was a musical genius
i think they will...but as mentioned above....
Helu had 14 catches today, there were a couple batted balls that were thrown to him to that we missed on and young had a catch or two. in no way can we blame kyle for his playcalling, unless he we had 20 designed screen plays today. Beck doesn’t appear to know how to read deep then check down. It is ridiculous. Grossman is obviously the lesser of two evils and should be running this offense. I’ll take 2 int’s per game in exchange for 16+ points
It seemed like you guys did.
we had 20 designed screen plays today.
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"By now if u don't believe the Niners are for real ur probably not that good at what u do..." - Donte Whitner
I completely agree with this
and i’ve said this exact same thing a few times. We need some bruisers on the interior part of the line along with some depth there. One thing to point out is that if you look at some of the best teams in the league over the years, they always seem to have had a very smart, athletic guy at the center position. So I’m hoping that position is at the top of wish list this offseason.
The players haven't given up on the coaches
& we as fans should not be giving up on the team. The Redskins are young, raw but you can see some players stepping up & there is definite improvement week over week. Obviously offense is way behind defense but there are things to like there as well. It’s going to be a tough year, we will probably be picking around 10 again in the draft but there really is improvement
by ENsDad27 on Nov 6, 2011 7:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Its just painful rebuilding. Certainly wish we had the young QB to be going through all the pain at the same time, but the draft just didn’t lend itself to getting the right one last year (don’t care for Gabbert at all).
And as we still see the Redskins needed
The number of draft picks they were able to “develop”, which will be a similar case again next year. I can’t see trading up, so I hope “the right” person falls.
i have much more faith in our GM now to make the right decision...
no matter how much i complain next april
not at all
he spends money adn does not batter our future away. bruce did an excellent job with the orster. 2/3 turnover, way below the cap, 7 years younger and we are a faster team.
by back_to_the_future on Nov 7, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
How can
u put the blame on anyone aspect of this team when one week u see the playcalling is just the worst ever the following week u have players fumbling the ball and dropping passes. I think everyone is responsible for doing there job coaches and players. if u want to put blame put on Mike Shan he put allof this together this is histeam after all not vinnie c.
Does anyone think that Shanahan
will at any point (the end of this season or next) fire his DC? He did it several times in Denver. These “Casino” Blitzs, even with good healthy players, and some of the other defensive play calling has been frustrating.
Why? I think Has is doing great.
If you look at what our D has had to go up against I think they are playing awesome. Considering our O can’t move the ball and give them a good rest they are outstanding. Watch the games that the O can move the ball and the D is lights out.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 6, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Shanahan has used his DC's as scapegoats but...
you’re right, I think the secondary just stinks right now
We have a secondary?
I thought it was 4 guys off the street. DHall especially doesn’t cover anyone.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 6, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Help over the top has been poor. Too often I see LBs left on an island when we’re playing zone… That’s not on Has, our secondary is no good.
Our secondary hasn't been healthy all season.
I don’t think we even played one game where we had all four of our starters on secondary play a full game.
Atogwe was out today, and has been hurt for weeks
And Josh is not as good as Carlos Rogers was. Landry may not be right physically. Barnes is not good. Hall is very good. In any case, the secondary did pretty well today.
I don't think our secondary
or defense as a whole has played bad this year. Sure we have had some poor games, but so does every team.
Defense is not the problem here folks.
John Denver was a musical genius
secondary has been up and down....
It is certainly the weakest link on our D, and wouldn’t be opposed to looking at some upgrades. I would like to see more press coverage as well.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
Press only works well with over-the-top help
and without OJ, we are lacking a little in that dept.
John Denver was a musical genius
agreed although I still think we need a real NT
Our run defense needs some help and an NT would help with that.
Before
the DC gets fired he should first take a look at firing his OC but as to an answer to your question w/Shanny who knows?
I wish people would wake the hell up
and realize it’s not Kyles fault. I’m so sick and tired of hearing the blame put on him. He is a good coordinator.
HE DOESN’T HAVE THE OFFENSIVE PERSONELL!
John Denver was a musical genius
Scapegoat 101...
he’s the ‘offensive genius’, and it’s taken it’s toll right now on the masses!
Until the next time!
he shares some blame and has admitted it
No need to go overboard. Khis scheme can be fine and playcalling can be predictable and poorly timed. Not mutually exclusive.
by DavidDunn on Nov 7, 2011 8:31 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I put the blame on Kyle Shamahan. His play calling is horrendous. 1 rushing play in the 2nd half even when the Redskins were only down by 10 to start the 2nd half today? Don’t you actually have to run the ball to have play action work? In the Redskins 1st 2 wins the pass-run ratio was about 55%-45% and they won even with Rex. Against Dallas, the Redskins had the lead at the end of the 3rd quarter. So Kyle Shamahan called 16 pass plays to 2 running plays. Brilliant. Against Buffalo which was only 13-0 at the half, the last 3 points on a last second field goal to end the half, the mighty Kyle called 19 pass plays to 7 running plays. This is the same jackass that had Matt Schaub in Houston throwing for 4700 yards even with Arian Foster and as many playoff appearances during Shamahan’s tenure as me. Surprise! The Texans run the ball and are winning now. Last season, Shamahan’s pass to run ratio was 64% to 36%. The only offenses that actually won with percentages like that were New Orleans and Indy. Last time I checked, Rex " I lost a game because I was too busy making New Years Eve plans" Grossman was definitely no Peyton Manning or Drew Brees. Even Gibbs in 1981 when he started 0-5 coming from teh Air Coryell offense, redsigned the Redskins to their strengths and started 2 tight end sets and ran the damn ball and finished 8-8. I think we all know what Gibbs pulled off in ’82. The only thing Kyle Shamahan is proving is that he is a pass happy jackass who, like his father, is trying to force his scheme onto players that can not run the scheme because neither the father nor son can get out of the way of their own egos. Do you honestly think for a second Mike Shamwow is going to fire or tell Kyle Shamahan to change? Nepotism and egos. Force that square peg into the round. It has worked so far.
by Shabazz on Nov 6, 2011 8:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hard not to agree with all of that.....
but I still have faith in this FO & coaching staff. It’s way to soon to give up & start the whole process over again. I think our running attack is limited by our offensive line (& that’s not any type of rebuttal, just a statement) but maybe as the coaching staff assembles players that fit their plan, maybe the playcalling will begin to make more sense & be more balanced. That really was an awesome offense that Kyle had in Texas…
by ENsDad27 on Nov 6, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I will argue this
Houston is usually crushed by Indy and it deflates them for the rest of the season. Without Manning the Colts got curb stomped. This is a passing league and Schaub+ Johnson= no brainer. Also Foster was a third string RB at the time. Not defending Shanny Jr but I hate when people try to twist the facts to suit there arguement.
Give the coaches time. Changing coaching staffs every two years will not get us back to the post season.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 6, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
There are a lot of fools here who want coaches fired every other week.
It’s about time we got more stability around here. Or no good coach will ever join the Redskins.
It does suggest that Kyle, not Mike, is running the offense
Too bad, because Mike is the offensive genius. Kyle did well in Houston, but that was only one particular situation, so who knows why it worked there? Sometimes the devil is in the details. I read in the Post how on the first play against Buffalo, Kyle called a long pass to AA (first option) who beat his man, but Beck looked at him, then threw short to Gaffney – an incomprehensible decision – to not go to your first read when he’s open. Apparently things like that are happening again and again. Just today Beck missed at least two open receivers – Hank and (I think) Gaffney. After the game, Beck himself basically apologized for some bad decisions Mike is sticking with Beck. One of the main reasons to switch to Beck was that he was more mobile – but that hasn’t helped him much at all.
I don't blame shanny really
But I will say it is insane to leave beck as starter. He is not young, he is not a talent that needs to be developed. For the development of our young offensive talent we need to go back to Rex. The players deserve a chance to win, there is actually no reason to leave beck in at this point. If shanny pulled Rex for his Philly game you are telling me now that he won’t even think of benching beck. I’m really lost at this point with his thinking. I told everyone that benching Rex was premature and not smart. That decision and injuries have crushed this season and helped us spiral out of control. I will tell you this: another game with no offense and no move is made, he will lose the veterans in the locker room. Shanahan that is
I think the players respected Rex more than Beck
In some ways, I think Beck is getting better – but it’s sort of slow progress. I could easily see returning to Rex. But Mike is going to give Beck one more chance against Miami.
QB WR
I hate beck his little passes he never looks downfield and never looks at the other side of the field pure garbage. Even in garbage time he is so relax and never shows fire like a true leader.
by trueredskinm on Nov 6, 2011 8:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i think it has been planned.
ever since squeeking by the cards and rams i think both the coaches and players came together durring the bye week to plan to lose the rest of the games. they know that going 8-8 would not do anything for us. and after playing a few games they knew 8-8 would be about as good as they would do. i could just tell the redskins wasnt trying to win that eagles game. that was the last game i have gotten mad because we lost. i will still watch every game all the way threw. and scream at good and bad plays but im already drooling over the the draft and FA
I would disagree with only this point...
I don’t believe the coaches tell the players the plan to lose. But I do believe there is a bigger picture plan in play. Whether you call it “Suck for Luck” or improve your draft position, whatever, this FO appears to have another idea than “play the guy who is going to give us the best chance to win”.
Am I ok with this? Ask me after next season, after we have drafted our new QB, along with FA additions, and see what our record is after that.
I also really like catering the offense
To try to make beck look at least somewhat respectable. The
Playcalling is no longer trying to win or even score. Highschool kids could have ran the o today. Just watch, becks completion percentage will continue to be ok, but his ypa will never go above 6.0. Opposing defenses will either pressure beck because he folds so easy or just give the short routes to us. Or if a team wants to be mean they can pull tight press coverage and make beck throw intermediate to long passes. Either way it will be easy to stop us and teams will have several routes to take to stop Us
There were
but i feel like some of those routes were not primary. And why did shanny not push for long throws During game. They need to end the beck era
by CommunistKevin on Nov 6, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Observation
Kyle was getting killed for the deep balls last week, this week there are complaints about the short pass play. I think there were a ton of deep opportunities last week and this week it would appear they reversed Beck’s reads and he was too cautious to look deep most of the game. So is it play calling or is it the QB that you have leading the offense. Last week it was complaints about the WR’s and the O-line, this week both played well, but the QB couldn’t hit anyone more than 5-7 yards away from the line of scrimmage. So I don’t think the play caller (Kyle) should be getting blasted as much as he has.
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The big reason they don't often go long is that they can't protect Beck long enough
for deep stuff. Also, the coverage can’t force strategy – hard to throw long against a zone. I think the short passes today were essentially runs. Before the game, many saw turnovers as the key to winning. They were – and SF got the turnovers, not us.
Both!
The offense is calling in plays the the players can’t make. And the defense is on the field way to long! Sorry, stating the obvious.
I'm one of the few that does like Kyle Shanahan.
He’s not got a lot of talent to work with there. The Oline hasn’t opened up too many holes. The only reason I can see that we keep passing is because the Oline has been so inconsistent with who’s playing where, that the timing and rhythm of the zone-blocking scheme is completely thrown off. That and the the fact we are usually behind in most games, playing catch up.
I think I’m most irritated with the criticism of his play calling in 3rd and long situations. There’s only so many plays they have in the playbook that you can call when your Oline is struggling to contain a 4 man rush, leaving 7 defenders in coverage. With the receivers we’ve had, they’ve struggled to get open in one on one match ups. I don’t think that can in any way go on Kyle.
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Ive been thinking the exact same thing
And calling for more run plays.
Dont you get it? We cant run the ball.
West Springfield Spartans OUTSIDE LB #47
HTTR
by SpartanFS47 on Nov 6, 2011 9:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
UKSkin what you meant to say was...
He’s not gota lot ofany talent to work with there. The Oline hasn’t opened uptoo many holes.
;)
Haha, nice...
no comment….. :P
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Something to think about.
We now have a good or better RT. Hurt played well and Mike benched his #1 draft pick. If Willie Smoth finds his way on to the 53 and plays some snaps we may have the core of a good line allowing us to work on drafting depth. Owith Hank and Helu stepping up and Beck getting more comfortable, things may have hit rock bottom and now they are starting to climb up. No we don’t have a great team, but thinking back on what I saw today, there is something good happening. Even Beck starting getting mouthy with the refs. 0 points last week, 11 points this week with a couple young rookies playing well. No koolaid, just observations.
And I'm convinced we won't be 3-13.
Don’t ask me who, Miami, Dallas, I don’t know, but we have a few wins in the future coming our way.
Dude
We scored a fluke fg and a garbage time Td. There is nothing to like. The offense is not improving
by CommunistKevin on Nov 6, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'm getting tired of this comment
Vinny Cerrato left us in a bad place, with a lot of bad players on the team which we are still recovering from.
Vinny’s been gone for almost two years. There’s only about five players on offense that were here with Vinny. The rest are new acquisitions by Shanahan and Allen.Last year the defense sucked because we had guys playing out of position and not what they had really been playing all their career. The coaches found out who could play and who couldn’t. The latter are gone. Seems like this year is the offense’s turn. We’ve got two sucky quarterbacks and a sucky offensive line.Is it really an improvement over last year? Hell no. Again..Vinny had nothing to do with this. These guys are all on the current regime for the most part. Again you’ve got an OC who doesn’t give a shit who’s on the field. It’s my plays or the highway. He may have been a whiz kid in Houston but we don’t have Houston’s players. This team changes it’s spots every two years or so. One guy’s draft choices or free agents don’t match the needs of the next coach in here. Square pegs in round holes so we start over rfrom scratch and the pattern repeats. What this team needs is continuity for years. Stick to something and make it work.
Crap. meant to insert "shouldn't expect to be".
Damn iphone.
I know
i hate writing on here with my I phone. Always have typos and capitalization errors and auto correct mistakes and accidentally clicking away from my comment
by CommunistKevin on Nov 6, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
From a Niner fan (who marginally follows Washington...)
We’ve been through this rebuilding thing. I’d say for us it really started with Nolan. He just couldn’t get it done even with decent talent (I’d suggest he did much better on the defensive side of the house). It takes time.
I thought Washington did much better on defense than I had expected. On the other side, I think (as hard as it is to keep perspective), you were playing one of the top overall defenses and doing so without a number of your starters.
Loosing 4 in a row always sucks, but I was happy for Washington when you guys got Shanahan and I still think he can turn the team around. I see promisa and when you guys get healthy again you should do much better.
by ColoradoNiner on Nov 7, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
sometimes another perspective is needed...
we are all too close to this team and we have an emotional investment in it. Like all you, I have had to endure 20 years of ineptitude. Patience is the calling card. We now have a GM, a first for Snyder, who will work with the coach to rebuild this team. Too many owners want the quick fix / turnaround (which explains the FA attempts last year). Get a franchise QB, continue to build OL & secondary, and let them develop. Two years from now, we will be reaping the rewards of focused planning.
thanks for your comments
It’s just hard to go through yet another year of losing. After 2 decades I think we should have already been rebuilt by now.
Exactly!
Defense is greatly improved, and the offense is in a huge transition.
After a QB, things look brighter.
i think a new qb some oline depth and a new cb
and we are a playoff team.with a better qb we would have gone 6-0 this year imo. grossmen is a 3rd string at best and beck is a 4th stringer. we shoulda known it was gonna be a long season
havent we had two drafts, two free agencies and were about $50 million under the cap last summer?
At the end of the day, in two years, we have added one true starter to the entire offense in that time. And he has underperformed as the #4 pick. And it is not luck the offense didnt stink up the joint the year before the coaches arrived. Considering the coaches influence on personnel, I dont think there is any question on whether you can hold players too accountable …because none of them would start on a really good team…Our starting QB was acquired in a trade for an undrafted CB who could not make the field for us or for Baltimore. Of course, the QB could not make the field for Balt…lol
We are preffty effective when we have a top ten draft pick. Generally, we add one starter from that spot. And we strike out with just about every other pick or free agent signing if you believe you need a solid starter from the move.
This will be a LONG rebuild.
by les boulez bomber on Nov 7, 2011 1:59 AM EST reply actions
You guys aren't in such a bad place
From the other side I saw a tough team with a lot of determination.
It’s just a matter of adding more talent.
I’d say that you guys made a big mistake in drafting Trent Williams, though…
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
Follow the Chicken on Twitter
thats the one thing you cant say
no one is allowed to discuss Williams performance. at best, you can note he is playing injured.
where’s my xanax???
by les boulez bomber on Nov 7, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Blame the Fans
On the radio, I heard them chanting defense it was so loud in there I was pumped…..till I found out it was the drive we scored the touchdown on….WTF?!
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
How incredible is this?
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Pretty awesome,
I might go get one if he keeps hitting 59 yarders
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
It'd be really nice to have a new mark moseley
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
Its all prespective...
I remember last year everyone was down on Gano. But Mike Shanny had the right idea for keeping him and allowing him to grow as a Kicker (even tho it was hard to stomach after all of those misses.). But he’s turning out to be a solid kicker…along with all of the “Booms” at kick off.
I just hope the rest of the young team follows the same the success as Gano has this year.
So, I know you’ve heard this before, But I really believe in the Shannaplan. I don’t want any of Coordinators to be given their walking papers either. Stablility is key. And maybe a highly sought-after QB in the next draft would be great too.
+1 I was all for keeping Gano
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
Kyle Shannahan...
Only seems to call good plays in the last 6 minutes of the game. Anyone else notice that successful drives in our last 4 losses have seemed only to culminate by the time it is absolutely too late to turn anything around? Sure you can argue that the other team’s defense backs off in giant 4th quarter leads, but I don’t really believe that’s entirely true. Why can our offense make great drives and even score with under 6 minutes left (minus the bills game)?…
My thoughts are that like his father Mike (with stubbornly committing to the run), Kyle wants to stubbornly believe that the way he operates his offensive play calling is going to work come hell or high water. To me it looks like Kyle is hooked up to a ps3 controller playing Madden through the first three quarters and then switches over to (relatively) successful and smart play calling in the 4th. The difference between Kyle before the redskins and now with the skins is the amount of talent he had back when. He could successfully run an offense with the talent he had in Houston. The difference between Mike committing to the Run stubbornly is that he has the reputation to back that up. Kyle committing stubbornly to the pass is steeped in no real reputation based on the lack of talent compared to what he had. He needs to level his play calling to the level of talent he has. Passing 30+ with Beck and no O-line is unbelievably hard headed. That’s what I see week to week IMO.
I didn't see many people complaining about Kyle's playcalling in Houston......................
wonder why that was?…………..he had the damn players to execute those plays.
Open up your eyes people…………it’s not the coaching!
John Denver was a musical genius
Kyle is not putting our mediocre/bad players in a position to do their best.
That is ineffective coaching.
Just b/c the players suck doesn’t mean Kyle doesn’t suck too.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Yeah...
I’m not calling for a pink slip but its as if his play-calling isn’t recognizing that his talent isn’t as high caliber. You can’t be calling 30+ passes (especially long shots) with a guy who isn’t anywhere near the caliber of either Manning brother, Vick, Rothlessberger, Rodgers, or even up and comers like Stafford. Play to your level of talent and find what is successful with the weapons you have. You especially shouldn’t be calling pass play after pass play with no O-line. I just don’t see Kyle understanding what level of talent he does have. He can call good games with high talent and his plays are good at getting people open, but that’s with an all-star cast. It’s just frustrating to see week in and week out.
Let me ask you guys this:
Did the whole Colts coaching staff just become poor overnight?
Players make a difference guys.
John Denver was a musical genius
Just b/c the players suck doesn’t mean Kyle doesn’t suck too.
Players make a difference guys.
Do you see how both these things can be true?
Answer me this:
Is Kyle getting the most out of his players? No.
Is he adapted to the talent? No.
Is he putting them in a position to succeed? No.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I would say that the coaching staff for the Colts consisted of one man...
Peyton Manning. That team was built on one system, with one man behind the helm. And when Peyton went down, so did the Colts. I would say the biggest problem with the Colts coaching staff was that they didn’t game plan for a team without Peyton. That’s their talent issue. Our system is different. It’s “supposed” to be successful with any QB in the pocket. Build up around the QB, then he can’t fail no matter how bad he is. That’s all we were preached to about for months. And for the most part I agree with it.
But with starters down for a while and guys out for the year you have to change it up a little. That’s all I ask Kyle to do. Try something different. I’m not angry when we lose anymore this season. Season is over and I’m fine with that as long as I can see light at the end of the tunnel in a few years. I’m angry when we lose the same way week to week.
Agree. They were winning in spite of Jim Caldwell
he’s been bad for a while now.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Kyle calls good plays when down two touchdowns and the defense is playing way off the LOS
It’s pretty straightforward.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
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