Top 5 Attributes you Look for in a QB
by Tiller56 on Nov 30, 2011 3:22 PM EST
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PrintWe spend so much time debating who would be the best fit in DC, and what positions we need, and where we need them. I wanted to do an exercise around the QB position, that may help us pinpoint what type of passer will pass your test as a fan.
I'll ask you to rate the top 5 attributes you would like your QB to possess(1 being the most). We can then take a look at the potentil rookies and FA who could be avaliable in 2012, and match the QB to your liking.
Here are some catagoires for your assistance:
Accuracy
Mobility
Arm Strength
Leadership
Performance in the clutch
Winner
Size
Speed
Decision making
Football IQ
Mechanics
pocket presence
Played at a big program
Being in a pro style system
Imporvement year to year
Attitude
Once you make your list of 5, I will try to match you with your perfect QB, both a college rookie, and a avaliable FA.
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This game sucks, I want a college QB and FA.
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Leadership=1
Accuracy=2
Decision making=3
Performance in the clutch=4
Arm Strength=5
Ok, its Kim McQuilken
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
I put all of that into Tiller's computer program and this is what came out:
Pro FA
College
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I'd love if we drafted Icebox.
She’d be a perfect eventual replacement for London.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
Hot to trot but shes still gotta squat
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Try me!
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
Everyone complains about how Kyle doesn't call enough runs...
but I’m wondering why we never run the Annexation of Puerto Rico.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
One I can’t have and one I don’t want. sounds like my sex life
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
hahahahaha, Tiller forgot your picture though
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na, matt flynn
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
Accuracy, Mobility, Decision Making, Pocket Presence, Football IQ.
Follow me on Twitter: @UkRedskin1 feel free to give suggestions on what you'd like to see broken down each week.
Brees
Don't feed the TROLL!...You have been warned.
by the maroon bird on Nov 30, 2011 6:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Brees isn't mobile...
Don't feed the TROLL!...You have been warned.
by the maroon bird on Nov 30, 2011 6:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You have to weigh all the factors out
these were his top 5 attributes – Brees easily fits 4
Crying Lion
Yes I agree
And you have to choose the best free agent quarterback that fits what you are saying. So 4 out of 5 ain’t bad.
Don't feed the TROLL!...You have been warned.
by the maroon bird on Nov 30, 2011 8:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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LASLO!!!
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
That's Dr. Hollyfeld to you.
Irony (n.) -Michael Westbrook as the hero on Bully Beatdown.
Sorry, I have to.
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Chris Knight: You’ve seen him too?
Mitch: Who is he?
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Mitch: Why does he keep going into our closet?
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Mitch: To get my clothes – but that’s not why he goes in there.
Chris Knight: Of course not, he’s twice your size – your clothes would never fit him.
Mitch: Yeah…
Chris Knight: Think before you ask these questions, Mitch. Twenty points higher than me? Thinks a big guy like that can wear your clothes?
Love that movie.
6 couldn't get less than that - Arm Strength, Leader, Football IQ, Dec. Making, Accuracy, Mobility
Redskins @Robert Griffin III - 2012
hahaha
I feel like this is one of those personality test you take on the internet in middle school
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haha and Tiller is that creppy old guy in the commercials?
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funny though
Is those things are actually pretty accurate, and high school. I took one today and it was dead accurate.
My five (I feel like I am getting my palm read)
In order of importance
1 – Accuracy
2 – Leadership
3 – Arm strength (A cannon is not necessary but being able to make all of the throws is)
4 – Performance in the clutch
5 – Football IQ
6 – Mobility
Sorry, couldn’t limit it to five.
My five
1. Olympic caliber hurdler
2. Accuracy
3. Leadership
4. Mobility
5. Parents have a military background.
by dr WNC on Nov 30, 2011 8:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Your QB is Jared Lorenzen
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1. Decision Making
2. Accuracy
3. Arm Strength
4. Attitude
5. Pocket Presence
6. Football IQ (seems similar to decision making, but I guess there’s some difference)
7. Mobility
8. Speed (if you have speed, you pretty much already have good QB mobility)
You can just use my first five to score if you’ve got all the QBs rated, but I figured it’d be worthwhile to extend my list. A lot depends on how you define the terms (especially “attitude” and “football IQ”). Attitude was tough to place. I don’t need Tebow, but he’s gotta be better than Leaf. The first three are what’s really important, and then he just needs to not suck in the rest of the categories.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
My list
1. Arm Strength
2. Performance in the clutch
3. Leadership
4. Attitude
5. Mechanics
Fasten the bayonets in case we need 'em
not RGIII?
Garrad too old. :P
Well he will be when we get good.
Fasten the bayonets in case we need 'em
Youy top 2 attributes fit Jones a little more that RG3
don’t forget, Jones has one of the best arms in college football, and he proved he could win on the road, and have a clutch performance against a top 5 defense.
Crying Lion
Attitude of RGIII is amazing
I mean he had army sergeants for parents.
Fasten the bayonets in case we need 'em
Griffin's arm is better than Jones though
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it's close, but I'd still favor Griffin
I feel there is more zip on his deep ball, and I’ve seen him throw a more consistent deep ball when on the move.
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I like his arm too
but out of curiosity, have you seen the arc(Rainbow), he puts on his deep ball. I like some arc, so the WR can run under the ball, but too much will allow a safety in the NFL room to come over and break up the pass.
He does have a good arm, and he certainly has the zip, but not quite to the extent of Jones, who IMO is a tad under Ryan Mallett.
Crying Lion
Rainbow throws do concern me some, but Griffin's is usually on target so well that I don't view it a concern
Griffin’s accuracy on his deep ball is a big plus for me.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
I agree, he's accurate, and his ball looks beautiful traveling through the air.
He’s definitly got the arm to stretch the field beyond 60 yards.
Crying Lion
WTF
Landry Jones has a better arm than Griffin? Are you out of your got damn mind. Stop it know, delete this thread.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
Landry has one of, if not the best arm in college football
a notch below Ryan Mallett when he was at Arkansas. Griffin’s is good, don’t get me wrong, and I love the kid, but his arm is a notch below both Jones and Foles.
Crying Lion
1. Christian
2. Goofy
3. Winner
4. Prays in the huddle
5. Horrible Quarterback
by ptowny on Dec 1, 2011 8:11 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
hahahaha
also: circumcises third world children.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
not sure how to choose between mobility and speed, or between IQ and decision making
1. decision making
2. accuracy
3. pocket presence
4. football IQ
5. arm strength
But I still like RG3 better than Barkley.
Here are my QB requirements. Please match me with my perfect QB
1.) High football intelligence – My QB must be able to read a defense both pre, and post snap. Moreover, he must be able to make good decisions with the football, and audible into different plays when the defense didcates it. Intelligence can be improved upon by film study and preperation, so my QB must be willing to put the time in to constantly improve in this area.
2.) Arm Strength – All the other stuff is great, but I need my QB to be able to execute, and being able to make every NFL throw without limitations is vital. Windows of opportunity, and how open a WR is in the NFL is a lot different than in college. I need a guy who can fit the ball into a tight window, or throw a deep ball to a WR who has a step on a d-back. This can’t be taught, so I need my QB to have this.
3.) Accuracy – I need a guy who can place the ball in the right spot, not only when it comes to throwing a WR open, but also when he’s putting the ball on a WR or RB to maximize RAC. It’s also important that he be accurate when throwing the deep ball, as he’ll often have a very small window to place a ball over the CB, but before the safety. My guy can have all the arm strength in the world, but if he can’t hit the broad side of a barn, it does me no good.
4.) Pocket Presence – I don’t need a QB who can rush for 100 yards a game; that’s why we have running backs. I just want a guy who has good pocket presence. My guy should be able to escape your typical 330lb D-linemen, and it is imparitive my guy can step up, our outside the pocket to elude the rush. It’s also important that my guy be able to break the pocket on play-action, and has the ability to throw on the move.
5.) Size/strength – I want a QB who can see over the damn LOS. My QB should have size and strength, as I know he will be taking some hits, and he needs to be able to bounce back up, and keep fighting. I also want a guy who’s not afraid to step up into the pocket, and deliver a good ball in the face of a rush. If he can’t see over his linemen, or he’s afraid to take a good pop, he’s not the guy for me.
6.) Attitude/leadership – I put these two together because I believe they go hand-in hand. My guy needs to be a leader on the field and in the locker room. Having theright attituide(one that is positive) will help my guy earn the respect of the guys around him. A QB needs to believe in himself and those around him, and the attitude he portrays has a lot to do with this. If the attitude is right, and the guys believe in you, leadship comes easy.
Crying Lion
Tiller
Your college QB is Tannihill
Your pro QB is Grossman
but you secretly desire selecting an OL in the first round and going with Grossman for another year
Luck
Brees (other than the height)
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by Redskin44 on Dec 1, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
are you kidding?
Foles throws from the pocket constantly…Arizona played 5 straight top 20 teams at one point this year, so you know the pressure was there, and he took plenty of hits delivering from the pocket. He’s about 6-6, but just because he doesn’t run like Cam Newton doesn’t mean he doesn’t evade rushers or even step outside and throw on the run. I’ve been following him pretty close this year, and he while he does take too many sacks, lots of the pass rushers are uncontested. Mike Vick couldn’t escape some of those sacks.
His biggest problem is his foot work and part of pocket presence is being able to sense the rush.
While his line may be partially responsible, he holds a lot of culpability for those sacks IMO.
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i don't know if I'd agree with that
none of the top college (Luck, Barkley, Griffin, Jones, Tannehill, Cousins, Weeden, Moore etc.) guys have a line half as bad as the one Foles is throwing behind. All of those guys also have more weapons and a running game.
Foles def. won’t run away from sacks, and he’ll have to work on getting rid of the ball quicker (but even guys like Luck and Barkley will need to do that since they will no longer have the same protection), but overall I’ve liked what he’s done. Esp. considering the coaching change.
He’s a late 2nd (more based on need) to early 3rd round guy for me. I don’t know if he’s a great fit for the system, but I do like him and think he’s got some nice upside.
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Foles’ is big problem is he locks onto one reciever. I have really noticed this during games, and for me to pick up on these types of thins means it is a glaring problem. But I love his size and he has a cannon
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
a lot of that is their read though. Esp. in the spread offense. QB's primarily have one read in the spread offense, which is one of the toughest things to develop for the NFL
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Interesting. I did not know that. I like the guy. If the skins were in a different situation in terms of QB and other needs , I’d love to take in the 3rd round. I ve seen him 3 times this year and always been impressed.
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
it's not the sole reason (part of the fact with Foles could be the difference between Criner and any other receiver)
but the lack of progression is an issue for a number of college QB’s. Though sometimes it doesn’t matter a ton as that was a question mark against Newton.
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I would disagree with the cannon part.
For an NFL QB, I’d say he has average arm strength at best. Below RG3 and Jones. Below Luck. Maybe just a touch below Barkley, but somewhere in there.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
I think he does have a cannon
It might not be as consistent as some of the other big arms, but he’s got a really strong arm
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Foles arm is very strong
he definitly has a cannon. It’s just a notch below Jones, but is is excellent.
Crying Lion
Tiller
My arbitrary system will be to weight your first choice as 1, second choice as .9, third as .8, etc. I won’t be grading Landry Jones since I don’t feel I’ve seen enough of him to form a good opinion. And I’m only doing the other top 3 college guys, because FA stop gaps bore me in comparison.
Grades, with categories listed in the order you ranked them:
Luck – 10, 8, 10, 10, 9, 10 – Total: 42.6
Griffin – 8.5, 10, 9, 10, 5, 10 – Total: 39.7
Barkley – 8.5, 7.5, 8, 8, 7, 10 – Total: 36.5
I wouldn’t say those guys are quite at those football intelligence scores yet, but that’s where I’d predict that they end up—kind of a hard prediction, but I feel pretty damn sure about Luck. In any case, I’d say all three have at least “good” football IQ/decision-making (or capacity for it). Love the 10s across the board for attitude as well.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
Do me do me
1. Loves to just sling it. Almost like a dragon breathing fire. Has a need to throw. A desire
2. Not much athletic ability. Who needs to run when you can throw
3. Sometimes has turnover issues, it’s the price you have to pay
4. Accuracy. For the ladies
5. Teammates love him
Ha
but seriously Accuracy and touch with adequate arm strength is most important to me
by CommunistKevin on Dec 1, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
1. Must have a cheery disposition
2. Rosy cheeks no warts
3. Must play games, all sorts
4. must be kind, witty
5. Very sweet and fairly pretty
by JaneandMichael on Dec 1, 2011 8:31 AM PST [+] reply O actions
1. He’s gotta be strong
2. he’s gotta be fast
3. he’s gotta be fresh from the fight
4. He’s gotta be sure
5. it’s gotta be soon
6. he’s gotta be larger than life
well done
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You need a hero.
Irony (n.) -Michael Westbrook as the hero on Bully Beatdown.
Accuracy
Performance in Clutch
Decision Making
Attitude
Leadership
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My list:
1. Accuracy- top priority for me as the windows get a lot smaller at the NFL level. It’s more than just completion percentage as it involves hitting a receiver in stride and on the numbers.
2.Decision Making/Football IQ- I don’t really see these as separate categories. There are some minor differences depending on how you define it, but the way I look at it is, they are both essential for a QB.
3. Pocket Presence- I want a guy who can step up or slide in the pocket to buy some time for his receiver. While the ‘buying time’ is part of it, the biggest key here is keeping his eyes down the field. If he is looking at where the rush is, he’ll miss the open receiver or the safety looking to jump the route.
4. Mechanics- Look it doesn’t have to be cookie cutter or textbook, as we’ve seen guys like Phillip Rivers succeed with on paper ‘horrible mechanics’, but it has to be functional. Tim Tebow’s elongated throwing motion makes him a risk to try to throw the ball even 25 times a game, much less 35-45 times like in some high powered offenses. The two main areas here are throwing motion and footwork.
5. Arm Strength- Now the easiest definition for arm strength is distance, and that is part of it. But functional arm strength is more about the precision of the deep ball, and the velocity (and the ability to take something off) of the throw. Jason Campbell could throw the ball 60-65 yards in the air, but he didn’t have great velocity which led to some ‘rainbow’ throws. Those might work in college, but in the NFL DB’s will surely knock those down or pick them off. Donovan McNabb has the velocity (not the accuracy), but he’s also not good about taking something off his throws when he needs too. Personally I’d rather my quarterback have the functional armstrength to hit all the 25-40 yard throws, even if his ‘deep ball’ isn’t the best. You aren’t going to throw 50-60 yard bombs nearly as often, and even in the best circumstances (great receiver, single coverage, top arm strength) they aren’t a ‘high percentage throw’.
6. Leadership: I want my quarterback to be the leader on and off the field. I want him to be able to control his receivers and other offensive players and be an extension of the coaching staff on the field. I also put attitude in this category, as some very good quarterbacks (Rivers even Cutler somewhat) don’t have a great attitude and it shows when things start breaking down.
Shanny specific traits: These aren’t important to me in general, but for what the Redskins are looking for they do matter.
Pro style System: Shanny needs a guy who is going to fit a WCO, and coming from a pro style system is definitely a leg up in that department.
Mobility/speed- Shanny’s system has a number of rollouts, boot legs built in, and with a poor offensive line Mobility is key. Also being able to run for some first downs and keep the chains moving is highly beneficial as well.
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i think of pocket presence as also relating to size
the big qb’s who stand tall in the pocket potentially see the field more easily than the 6’2" and under crowd. Peyton’s turkey neck is one example.
as far as arm strength, even though you dont need to throw the ball 65yards in the air that often, the guys who can generally have tremendous zip on their outs which is highly critical. “Make all the throws” is a common term but it’s a bit ambiguous…how fast the ball gets from qb to receiver is usually the difference between a college level arm and an nfl arm
sweet Flutie Flakes!
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- eidetic memory
- obsessive compulsive
- egocentric
- 187 IQ (Or, perhaps, immeasurable)
- socially inept
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
That was tough
but my formula:
College- dusty Kiel (backup at Indiana)
Pro- johnathan Quinn/ Tyler palko
by CommunistKevin on Dec 1, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Who is Johnathan Quinn?
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Umm
Al saunders’ greatest protege. Was backup in kc. And made one apperance as starter for bears when Saunders was there in like 03 04. Literally the worst quarterback I have ever seen in my life
by CommunistKevin on Dec 1, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
But according to my formula
had all the traits that hutch was asking for
by CommunistKevin on Dec 1, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Not QUITE what
I imagined. Hmmm…..who was I thinking of?
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
be easy
winner,attitude,leadership,decision making,,accuracy
Your QB is a labratory production from the DNA of Joe Montana, Bret Favre, Tim Tebow, and Peyton Manning
Redskins @LandryJones - 2012
1. Beautiful
2. Big jugs
3. Great ass
4. > 125lbs
5. average intelligence
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
Your QB
plays in the LFL
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
now that's a tight end!
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
all QB's
must now wear leftover hartford whaler helmets.
Hey recycling helps make team's 'Green'
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1. Wins games with a bad team
2. Throws like Robert Griffin III
3. Runs like Robert Griffin III
4. Talks like Robert Griffin III
5. Has a name like Robert Griffin III
by CarverM on Dec 5, 2011 7:46 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Wonderful idea for a post
1. Football IQ
2. Leadership/Winner/Attitude (put all of those together because I feel like they’re interrelated)
3. Decision Making
4. Mechanics
5. Pocket Presence
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