Daily Slop: Redskins Safeties Are Banged Up; Trent Williams Had a Career Game
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Banged-up safeties – LaRon Landry and Oshiomogho Atogwe have been banged up for the better part of the year. On Sunday, Landry suffered a groin injury and Atogwe was demoted because in his current condition, he doesn’t give the team a better chance to win than Reed Doughty.
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Awesome piece over on FatPickled
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That being said
The nice thing about a season like this is that while wins are great it’s easy to not get too down on a loss.
There is one flaw with the article as stated by the sole commentor...
I like what you tried to do with the post, but I think our quarterback issue pretty much disproves your point. Why? Most good quaterbacks are taken very early in the draft. Not always, but the majority are taken early.
NE: has had it’s franchise quarterback for 11-12 years, and this one proves your point about quality being everywhere. Tom was taken in the 6th round, although this in my opinion is the exception not the rule
Baltimore: Flacco was taken with the 18th pick in 2008. Does this prove that quality quarterbacks can be picked up late in the first round? Not really… Very few teams picked/ needed QBs in the first round, Flacco was the second QB to go, with the exception of Atlanta who had a top 5 pick and took Matt Ryan. The teams that are picking in the top of the draft this year would not let the 2nd highest QB fall to 18.
Ind: the exact opposite of your point. Peyton was the number 1 pick in 1998. 10 years of draft data does nothing since it was further back than that.
Phi: Another team that defies your point. They had a franchise quarterback for most of the past 10 years, and guess what, he was picked 2nd in 1999. Their acquisition of vick had nothign to do with the draft
SD: Another team that doesn’t work. The year they had the number 1 pick they traded down to four and got their quarterback.
Redskins @Robert Griffin III - 2012
Who cares where you draft when you have the one piece of the puzzle that matters the most?
Only one player has the ball in his hands every time he steps on the field. Would love to draft 29th overall for the next 10 years, give me a 4 year run like Buffalo had drafting 31st (less then probably with expansion since).
Redskins @Robert Griffin III - 2012
I've given up on Rak being a complete pass rusher too.
I’ve given up on Orakpo ever being a complete player (too often he is blocked out of plays in the run game), but it’s something you can live with when he rushes the passes like this
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Been saying this for weeks
He is basically Bruce Smith reincarnate. Which means he is perfectly capable of having a terrific career, albeit as a one dimensional player.
Now, all that said, I do hope he does break down and make the decision to round out his game.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
My hope
is that the rumors about Jarvis Jenkins being crazy against the run are true and it allows the LB core including Orakpo to get some kind of consistency when our opponents rush.
by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 30, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
The legend of Jenkins grows each week.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 30, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
He's our MVP
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
hopefully its not a folklore like Kelly was
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
R.Kelly?
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by Parks Smith on Nov 30, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously though nobody else is having to refresh their pages to see new comments?
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
This is 2 days in a row now. I think parks was messing with my account
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
Yea I have the ability to go in and indvidually select whether you have to reload or not.
I can also make all of your comments appear in Sanskrit and obtain all of your credit card numbers.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 30, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Are you still using Netscape Navigator?
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by Parks Smith on Nov 30, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
No. I had to kick the Chubby Guienne pig, he stopped yelling row.
Got it settled now.
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
Kevin got a Cyber Monday deal this week if you want his old lap top
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by Parks Smith on Nov 30, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
hahahahaha
I had a Vtech laptop when I was little….loved that thing
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
You can see all my stats and trends on there. The bottom right corner is all of Ken’s contributions.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 30, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Don't ruin it for me
it takes so much for me to get optimistic about anything with the Redskins.
by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 30, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Remember when the Skins were soooo dumb for taking a DE and converting hime to OLB? Imagine if Rak was on the line of a 4-3, he would be manhandled all day long. Also he is not getting the holding call when he is roped around the neck so he should really stop throwing his arms in the air and trying to draw the penalty.
When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.
by Jeff Bernard on Nov 30, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
This isn't basketball
but he does get held to much. Rak needs a spin or a swim move, I think he’s fast enough for a really good spinner.
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
Orakpo best year was in a 4-3...
when his hand was in the dirt…
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by superdupervillee on Nov 30, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but that year, we also had Fat Ass in the middle eating up space
And Andre Carter on the other side wreaking havoc.
No, he had Albert and only Albet...
because Kerrigan is on the other side wrecking havoc, but hes still not producing…
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by superdupervillee on Nov 30, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
This is a myth. He wasn't a DE, he was the strongside LB.
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but on 3rd down he was a ____________....?
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by superdupervillee on Nov 30, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Tell me how many sacks he had on 3rd down?
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He had 5 sacks on 3rd down compared to 3 each on 1st and 2nd...
I watched the games and he was a much better pass rusher in a 4-3…
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by superdupervillee on Nov 30, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't realize you watched the games, there is obviously no sense in discussing this further then.
Orakpo’s numbers and value are pretty much the same regardless of scheme.
Stats per game averages
2009: .69 sacks, 2.4 tackles
2010: .57 sacks, 2.4 tackles
2011: .55 sacks, 2.55 tackles
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Are you blind???
.69 >>>>>>>>>> .57 & .55 meaning his best year was in a 4-3 defense and you just proved my point…case closed
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by superdupervillee on Nov 30, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Somehow he thinks the NFL is a vacuum.
Like we play the same team every week, teams don’t adjust, etc.
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Completely agree, no one here said he was elite.
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You know pass rusher doe more than just register sacks.
You’re arguing he should be a 4-3 DE when he did that on a very limited basis. Like I said before, do you maybe think that there’s a chance that maybe the league adjusted to him a little? Or is that just totally out of the question.
People still arguing 3-4 vs. 4-3 need to find a new hobby, it’s a tired argument, we’re running the 3-4, GET OVER IT.
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look again...
-he is better suited as a 4-3 DE…his best year was in a 4-3 defense when he was lined up as a 4-3 DE less than half the time. Did teams get film on Orakpo and adjust? Yes, but i’m not sure what you are trying to say with that statement. Team adjusted, but Orakpo is still doing the same moves from hsi rookie year…that screams slightly above average pass rusher if you adjust to the game and learn new moves…
-i’m not screaming “go back to a 4-3” just saying his best season was in a 4-3 defense. Orakpo in coverage??? yeah explain that
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by superdupervillee on Nov 30, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
He's actually greatly improved his coverage skills...
His pass rushing totals were ever so slightly better in a 4-3….so i dont understand your point
HA!
I’ll look for you after the Patriot game…
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by superdupervillee on Nov 30, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
It was his best season out of two!
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And his approximate value was 9 for both season. EQUAL
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The seasons are nearly identical, you can't say he's better at one or the other
when the numbers are nearly the same and it’s such a small sample size. Which Redskins defense had more pieces as a whole? 2009 or 2010?
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How is 11 identical to 8.5
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by superdupervillee on Nov 30, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Season 1: 11 sacks, 2 passes deflected, 1 FF, 38 solo tackles, 51 total tackles
Season 2 (extrapolated to 16 games): 9 sacks, 2 passes deflected, 1 FF, 39 solo tackles, 56 total tackles
How can you say one season was resoundingly better than the other?
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11.5 > 8.5
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by superdupervillee on Nov 30, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
You're looking at one number and not the whole body of work.
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What other numbers really matter...
as a pass rusher outside of pressures and forced fumbles…
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by superdupervillee on Nov 30, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
None, when they aren't rushing they should just stand and stare at the sky
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If a player has a high tackle #...
does that automatically mean he is a good player???
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by superdupervillee on Nov 30, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, depending on his position.
If the corners are getting more tackles than your Defense is bad. The guys on the front line and in the box should be getting most of the tackles and the secondary should be getting the most deflections/pass defensed. In the 3-4, the linebackers should have the most tackles.
HTTR!
They force fumbles as well and pressure the QB...
Orakpo pressures the QB (not enough for my liking) but he is not forcing fumbles like our ROOKIE…
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by superdupervillee on Nov 30, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
I guess you are judging best year by sacks only. Why wouldn’t he have more sacks in a 4-3 when he rushes the passer more in a 4-3. As for your comment below Kerrigan never played in a 4-3 here so no clue what you are talking about.
When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.
by Jeff Bernard on Nov 30, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I have a novel thought that maybe, just maybe, teams learned how to adjust to Orakpo after his first year.
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look...
-he was a better pass rusher when his hand was in the dirt…FACT and watch the tape…he only rushed the passer as a 4-3 DE on 3rd down BTW so no he didn’t rush the passer more when we were running the 4-3
-Kerrigan is wrecking havoc on the other side just like Andre Carter was wrecking havoc regardless of the scheme…it doesn’t matter what scheme you run, if you have a force on the other side then you will get less attention…
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by superdupervillee on Nov 30, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
This is what I love about our fanbase
Dude has been in the league for almost three years and is a two time probowler. Is there another fanbase out there that isn’t happy with their best players?
Last time I checked every player gets blocked out sometimes. Even the great Ray Lewis got trucked by TWill in the preseason.
I think Rak is having a good year. Teams are still scheming against him and alot of them force him to drop into coverage. As the rest of our new pieces get comfortable in the D and Has continues to get better at calling a game Rak will start to dominate.
People need to chill a little.
Shut up DHall.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 30, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I think it’s a little of both:
1. Rak isn’t Ware, despite how bad we wish he was. But that’s okay because DeMarcus Ware has shown himself to be a once in a generation type of LB, akin to LT. Orakpo is a converted DE who is still coming into his own and is just simply not as elite.
2. Orakpo could improve his craft, learn some new moves, and be a more rounded player
The first step to addressing a problem is to admit you have one
The fact that Rak thinks he doesn’t need to learn new moves concerns me.
I don't understand what you mean,
it should be a team initiative to get your players eyes checked. Those with poor eye sight can be oblivious because of the gradual decline and the team should have all their players eyes checked.
I don't think
Anyone is say they don’t like Rak. Just that, if he wanted to, he could be so much better. I don’t feel like digging up the quote right now, but I remember hearing a month or two ago how someone asked him I the thought he needed a counter move, and he basically said no, that the refs just needed to call the holding more. Of course, I’m paraphrasing. I don’t remember the exact wording.
The other thing is, I’m pretty sure teams are running to his side more. At least it looked that way yesterday. Same thing they did with Bruce Smith.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I wasn't trying to imply that noone likes him
Just that we aren’t satisfied with a pro bowler. I remember the quote you are refering to. I think it was in September. I was unhappy about what he said, but at the same time he spent the offseason lock out training in MMA to develope more moves.
I just wonder how much the lockout hurt all of the players. I think it stunted the growth of every young player in the league. Look at Riley, the guy shuld have been starting since game 1. But that is the nature of the beast.
Also RyKer has been pretty damn good in run D so I would run to the other side as well.
Shut up DHall.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 30, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
If you become satisfied you become happy with a product if you become happy with a product you become lazy
Rak has been satisfied with his pass rushing abilities since he was an elite player in college, he has refused to work on counter moves to further develop his games. The great players never become satisfied with who they are and are constantly working on technique. I expect no less out of our fan base.
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I think
What brings it out, to me at least, is that Kerrigan looks to be a better all around player already.
I realize he’s still young, and early into his career, but I just wish I could see more development from him. Frankly, I get tired of people complaining about him not getting holding calls. All the elite pass rushers get held. The difference is, most of them adapt. I just don’t see that from him.
As for the comparison between him and RyKer, this is what I said to my buddy when him and I had the same conversation yesterday. When I see Rak, he seems to be worried about getting past his guy. RyKer, on the other hand, seems to be worried about getting to the ball. I know that sounds like the same thing, but it really isn’t.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I agree 100%
Everyone says Rak is naturally gifted and that RyKer is more of a motor guy. I almost prefer the motor guy because he will constantly try to get better. He reminds me of a Jared Allen type player.
I agree with you and jbh that it doesn’t seem like Rak is satisfied with where he’s at right now. I hope that will change as RyKer develops more. Rak should want to compete to be the better player. I think of Mann and Manley and I get excited. Look at Freeney and Mathis for the Colts. For years they were the D there. I think these guys can grow into something special together. I just think we need to be patient.
Shut up DHall.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 30, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
What if Kerrigan is just better than Rak?
I mean who cares. We have two great OLBs. Enjoy.
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Agree
I said I think he’s better, and my buddy acted like I pulled the cap off the ol’ Lone Ranger.
I have no problem admitting one is better, I just hope they can both help each other for years and years.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I hope so to.
I think ’Rak is more athletic and talented, but Kerrigan just may be a better football player.
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Actually
I think RyKer is more athletic. That INT off Eli, I don’t see Rak making.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Love the Lone Ranger referrence.
Wow, guess there aren’t too many people around that remember watching that show.
HTTR!
I wonder how many remember
Not to tug on Superman’s cape, spit into the wind, pull the mask off the ol’ Lone Ranger……
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Great???
Have you seen Suggs rush the passer??? That is great…Orakpo is above average…
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by superdupervillee on Nov 30, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Semantics, get over it
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You don't think our pass rush would be a little better with Ngata clogging and the other talent Suggs has around him?
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it would be better...
but Suggs is ELITE, Ware ELITE, Freeney ELITE….Orakpo is above average and he still only have one move so I don’t really see the improvement…
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by superdupervillee on Nov 30, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
And they're all around 30 years old.
Give it some time dude.
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Suggs had double digit sacks his first two years...
Ware only season w/o double digit sacks was his rookie year…
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by superdupervillee on Nov 30, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Come on man, Ware and Orakpo had the same amount their first two years and Orakpo was in less games
First two years:
Player A: 22.5 sacks, 64 tackles
Player B: 19.5 sacks, 74 tackles
Player C: 19.5 sacks, 106 tackles
You don’t see a similar trajectory in these individuals?
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lets add forced fumbles to the list...
I mean that is what we as fans envisioned when drafted Orakpo and moved to the 3-4…a Steeler like Woodley and Harrison duo forcing turnovers…
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by superdupervillee on Nov 30, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
You're blind.
You pictured a combo like that last year? With Andre Carter and no NT? Our combo is in their infancy and if you haven’t noticed they’ve forced 6 fumbles this year so far. How many have Woodley/Harrison registered? 2.
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Harrison is on the decline...
I’m talking about the Steeler duo in their prime. Orakpo forced 2 fumbles this year (career high). Kerrigan forced 4 which brings me to ask myself why am i comparing Orakpo to the elite pass rushers. Obviously i’m compraing the wrong Redskisn pass rusher. Orakpo is not even the best pass rusher on this team….
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by superdupervillee on Nov 30, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
So you can't wait until this combo is in their prime?
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You are drifting away from your losing argument...
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by superdupervillee on Nov 30, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
You create a new name here every week.
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I wonder why???
because of sentimental people like you and this is only my 2nd name…
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by superdupervillee on Nov 30, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Try 3rd
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Your entire argument is pointless
What are you tryign to accomplish?
Get us to draft a new OLB?
Everyone is acknowledging he’s not elite. But also leaving in the fact that he could develop.
End of story. What more do you want?
Move on to more worthwhile discussions.
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This is not a worthwhile discussion???
Oh maybe I should talk about the draft that is damn near half a year away and i Orakpo will not develop, because he still has not learned another move.
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by superdupervillee on Nov 30, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
I'm glad to hear Trent has done well the past 2 weeks
against solid competition too. I think it shows he has the talent to be as good as any LT, he just needs to keep working at it and get a bit more disciplined.
Glad to see he did better then Okung this game too
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