It starts in the trenches
by David Houck on Nov 29, 2011 3:57 PM EST
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PrintI, like many fans would love to see the Redskins draft someone like Matt Barkley to give presumably give this team the franchise quarterback it desperately needs, however, the team needs much more than that. Say that the Redskins do not end up with a draft pick that gives them the chance at taking Barkley or Jones (who I am not sold on), and RG3 decides not to come out which is a real possibility. Then what? Do you draft a tackle who could anchor the right side for 10 years or so, or do you draft a playmaker like Alshon Jeffery assuming he is on the board who is the closest thing some scouts have seen to a Calvin Johnson type of receiver. Granted, nobody is saying he is as good as Johnson, but he is 6'4-6'5 with a pretty good vertical and huge hands. Hankerson exploded for one game and is unproven and Moss and Gaffney aren't ideal redzone targets. All opinions are welcome, but ill start with mine. I say the Redskins draft a lineman and sure up the tackles, and look to draft a WR like Nick Toon in the 2nd round because the 2nd round draft prospects are more projects than anything. Give the next young QB we get the best chance to succeed. The Skins could go Linebacker, Secondary or Offensive Guard with the 3rd round, but this is mostly focused on the first round selection. Anyway, thoughts?
Rex Grossman could learn a thing or two from Tebow, atleast Tebow knows he can't throw.
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So where do you assume we are getting our QB from?
The little sisters of the poor?. I hope your not advocating another year of terrible QB play, by the likes of Grossman.
Crying Lion
Don't you realize
All Rex needs is a line? A good O line turns our boy Rex into SuperQB.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Also rex will play next season no matter what
I don’t think Shanny is fond of rookies playing week 1 on offense.
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
Nice another rex burn
from mr “I saw John beck look ok in garbage time against the eagles and wrote a whole post about how he will open up the offense”
I wonder when Rex will get his invite to the pro bowl this year?
by CommunistKevin on Dec 1, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
I don't understand this? what are you trying to say?
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
Also
curious as to what linemen you like at RT, and where you assume we’d be taking him. There is not a RT worth anywhere betweeen the 5th and 15th spots. The only RT I’d consider would be Reiff, and that wouldn’t be until after the mid-half of the first. Unless we trade back, we won’t be picking that late. Martin, the only other OT that would even be considered in the top 12 picks, is more of a LT, than a RT, and i don’t think he’s advanced enough that you move TW to RT so he can play LT(that would be a downgrade).
It is a weak draft for offensive linemen in 2012, with only 1 premeir guy(Kalil).
Crying Lion
so what's your plan to get a RT?
you were against it last year and you’re against it this year.
Let me know when signing retread free agents works out.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
2nd round
I’ve said it for a while now. QB in the 1st, OT in the 2nd. A guy like Adcock would be right up our alley in the 2nd. I even consider Adams in the second if we traded back(steveo like him in the late 1st, but he guy is falling faster than The Great American Hero).
And, I was absolutely not against linemen last year. Again, like any QB starved team should be, I was hungry for a QB first.
Crying Lion
I'm down with that, then.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
It's not a weak draft for offensive lineman
It’s actually a very good year for lineman, especially guards & RTs.
It's a good interior line draft for sure
I don’t completely agree about RTs, but there are still draftable guys we should pursue. Interior wise, we are in luck.
I see 3 higher round type guys who project to RT(first 2 rounds)
Reiff, Adcock and Sanders. Maybe Adams, but he’s falling fast.
Crying Lion
What it sounds like
is that you’re advocating COMPLETELY neglecting the quarterback position this year. That is dumb. We need a QB now, period. Rex Grossman is mediocre, John Beck is mediocre, as much as we can invest in OL and WRs neither are good decision makers and neither are overly accurate. We need a real QB now. We can build interior prospects for the OL in the 2nd and 3rd round, like OSU’s Brewster, who’ll probably be floating around early 2nd for us. We can also get another solid WR in the late rounds. Hankerson, a bigger 6’2", 6’3" target, was looking real good until he tore his labrum. We don’t need Jeffrey as much as we need a QB. And Griffin will come out because he is likely to be a top 10 pick. If he stayed he is just being silly. If there are 4 QB needy teams in front of us, we need to trade up.
loved everything you said until I read "trade up"
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
Haha so until the very end?
We need picks big times and I acknowledge that. I’m not saying trade up to get one guy, I’m saying trade up if and only if we will miss on all 4 otherwise. We have to get a QB this year because it is a talented class. That’s the only reason I say it. While I’m a big Luck and RG3 fan, I’ll take any of the 4, but in my opinion, we have to get one of the big 4 this year, even if it means trading up.
i think i’ve read numerous times that shanny doesn’t draft recievers early in rounds, and RT don’t get drafted early in the first round, I would love to see us draft a QB round one, an OL in round 2, and I believe Shanny and allen starting round 3 or 4 will draft for value and not for need. I think the redskins will end with at least 7 wins and that will put us in the middle of the pack which could require the Redskins to move up and that would of course get rid of our 2nd ord 3rd round pick.
Is RG3 really becoming that much more of a pro prospect this year and flying up scouts draft boards? Or is this something that a Skins fan has brought to this sites attention and people started monitoring his play this year? I don’t see him moving up on any of the supposed draft guru’s draft boards yet. From all the talk on here he sounds to good to be true. Sounds like he could be a Roethlisburger type with a more accurate arm the way his play is being discribed. What scares me about Barkley is that is he going to be the next mark sanchez who is nothing more then a avg/good qb with an average arm whom we would have to trade up to get? We’ll never know until you play him
I can't imagine this
but I couldn’t imagine it when Luck and Bradford did it either.
by sofutomygaha on Nov 30, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Barkley is a much better prospect than Sanchez was
Barkley has a better arm and is more accurate than Sanchez was. He’s also been a starter for 3 years has shown an impressive amount of improvement from year to year. Sanchez only started 1 year at Southern Cal before entering the draft. I’m wary of players who only have 1 good year of college before entering the draft (i.e. Devin Thomas).
by CarverM on Nov 29, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Did no one see where I said if a QB isn't available?
This scenario is talking about if we pick after the top QB’s (Luck, Barkley, Jones, possibly RG3 if he comes out) have been taken. I am 100% for drafting a QB in the 1st round if one is there, however, in my post I am talking about if one is not available.
if one isn't available they should def. trade back and try to stock pile picks
the main focus has to be on the offensive line (mainly b/c we need at least 3 additions if not more like 6 when you count backups), but WR, CB, RB, DL and S all need to be addressed this offseason as well.
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Why am I not surprised at all by this:
the main focus has to be on the offensive line (mainly b/c we need at least 3 additions if not more like 6 when you count backups),
I love this part the most: ’The Main Focus HAS TO BE on the offensive line"
So we need 6 new offensive linemen, but somewhere along the way, it’s ok to squeez out a WR, CB, RB DL and S. Wow, your so generous!
So I guess, since one is not avaliable in the 1st round, you’ve decided to leave QB off the list alltogether again this year………..smart move.
Crying Lion
Are you guys really going to get into it again today?
There should be a daily dedicated post: Steveo and Tiller QB/OL Debate
by StephanHart on Nov 30, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
huh??
don’t understand this at all? My view doesn’t change since the Redskins outlook and facts don’t change.
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what are you talking about??
Tiller maybe if you’d actually present facts or make coherent statements people would debate you, but instead you hide behind dumb jokes.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
Facts don't work with you
and I know this already. I’ve tried soooooooo many time, and it just leads to fustration. Your all set in your agenda, and you ain’t moving.
Crying Lion
as I asked yesterday what facts am I ignoring?
You don’t like the fact that I use more than basic stats.
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What facts are you talking about?
The facts that Tannehill has had a worse year this year? The facts that Adams play as of late has sucked? The fact that Landry Jones is statistically having the same type of year as last year? The fact that Matt barkley has been one of the most impressive QB from 2010 to 2011?
What are you getting at here?
Crying Lion
Those aren't facts, more of suppositions
Tannehill’s year has been ‘worse’ in some statistical categories, but remember now he is playing a full slate of games, so his numbers need context. Not to mention the fact that Tannehill gets extremely high marks from scouts in most categories.
Adams play has been inconsistent and he did have a bad Penn State game, but he’s also had some strong games of late as well. And his play still has him warranted in the late 1st-early 2nd range.
Jones is having roughtly the same type of year as last year…not sure when I ever disagreed with that.
Matt Barkley has had a great year this year statistically, not sure why last year factors in.
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by Steve Shoup on Nov 30, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Jones is having roughtly the same type of year as last year…not sure when I ever disagreed with that.
You argued more than once with me, that Jones has had a down year, and every time you did, I pulled up stats to show you he didn’t. If he was slightly down in one catagory, he was slightly up in another. You specifically said, you wanted to see progress year after year, and you said Jones’ play had declined. After saying this, you also advocated Tannehill, so you can see how I would question that, as he has not had a good year, no did he improve much over last year(in his case, improvement was necessary, considering it was his 2nd year as a starter). In Barkley’s case, this was very evident, as he passed you point with flying colors, yet you are still ready to overlook him in a trade-back scenerio, and still believe he need to sit a full year, even though he may be the most pro ready QB not named Luck.
As for Adams, it wasn’t just the Penn State game where he struggled. Nebraska, Wisc and Perdue, and most recently Mich as well. That is why I have been down on him. He’s not an upgrade to anything he have righ now, nor do I see a very high celing with him. He’s a limited athlete, who is always going to struggle with outside speed.
Crying Lion
No I said that I wanted to see Jones take his game to the next level
that was my expectation for him this year, as I thought he would warrant a top 5 or at least top 10 pick. Instead he’s stayed essentially the same and if anything has seen a slight drop in his numbers. Yes his YPA is up, but pretty much everything else is down. It’s not drastic but it is enough to give me pause with using a top pick on a guy. The problem to me is further compounded by the fact that he is on a very talented Oklahoma team (are they the most talented team ever? No, but it’s more talent than many highly picked QB’s have.) and in a spread offense that without a doubt inflates his numbers.
Tannehill is a completely different case. As I’ve said before I’m not looking at him for a top 10 or even top 5 pick. He is also only in his 2nd consecutive year of being a QB, so his potential is through the roof. Tannehill is also a very good fit for the WCO and Shanahan’s style. And if given the time (a year or two) to develop, he could be really special.
As for Barkley you are right he has taken his game to the next level (like Jones should have). And I’m glad you brought Barkley up because like Tannehill he is in a pro style system, and his sophomore numbers were very similar to Tannehill’s (his 2nd year back as a QB) despite having more talent around him, and probably being in an easier conference. And yes for the right price I would trade back. If the Redskins have someone like Flynn, then trading back is a very viable option.
Lets say for an instance that the Titans took Gabbert at 8 last year and Locker was on the board for us, and while I think it is quite evident that this would have been a mistake, but Jake Locker could start day one for us. Would you have taken Locker or would you have taken Kerrigan, Hankerson, Helu and Hurt?
And in my scenario for this year we should get even more value since our pick will be higher, and I have the Redskins with a viable QB solution, so Grossman and Beck are out of the equation.
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no you use stats
there is a difference
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Also, FTR
I’m for getting more/better O-Linemen……………………………..right after we draft our QB, or even before, in FA
Crying Lion
Exactly. Two Differing Views:
Steveo: Wants Linemen taken first, and then the QB position addressed in the 2nd round or later and through FA
Tiller: Wants the QB position addressed in the 1st round of the draft, and then Oline addressed later and in FA
by StephanHart on Nov 30, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
I just don't see the 2nd round QB option being a realistic one
especially given what we have been through recently at the QB position. I guess I’m also of the mindset “why settle”, at the most important position of a football team, especially when there are this many good options early in the draft.
Crying Lion
you do realize that picking a Landry Jones could be classified as settling, right??
He’s not a great fit for our offense, he’s fallen behind both RGIII and Barkley, and he def. needs to sit. But low and behold he’s the guy that will lead us to the promise land.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
how on god's green earth do you believe Landry Jones is ready??
wow he threw for 4,000 yards in s spread offense, who cares. I want to see him make all the reads and work out from under center (and yes there is a big difference to say otherwise is completely false).
Jones has a real high upside, and I’d say it is even higher than Barkley’s but he’s about the least sure thing out of the ‘big 4’.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
You and I will disagree about him
all day long. I don’t know why we even continue to argue this. Lets agree to wait and see him after bowl season/combine/pro day OK?
Crying Lion
dude you are the one who always brings it up and tries to bait me
if you want to write your own opinion fine, but if you challenge me be prepared to answer to facts.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
I don't bait you
thats to easy. I save that for Parks. I simple tease you, because your so one-sided.
Crying Lion
I'm not one sided
I’ve said multiple occasions that I’d take the right 1st round QB, but that other conditions need to be met. I’ve never heard you once say you’d be okay with an FA guy at QB despite it being a viable option.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
you suggested Stanton as a back-up to Barkley
I meant an FA option to start. Which is a viable option. I’m not saying you have to say its the best option, but just a viable option.
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by Steve Shoup on Nov 30, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
I said Stanton as a spot-starter
and backup for a rookie, when that rookie was ready to take over.
I believe that, like you posted yesterday, talent outweighs experience. If a rookie is more talented than an experienced vet, he should start. It’s the same on the O-Line. You want to bring in a lot of O-Linemen. If they are ready, and are clearly better than who’s in from of them, don’t you feel they should start, even if it means(Like TW), that they go through some growing pains?
I can live with some growing pains from my rookies; it’s what’s expected. I can’t tolerate it from vets.
Crying Lion
i don't have a problem with growing pains (though there is a limit)
at most positions, but QB is def. a developmental position. And if our new line is going through growing pains, i’d rather our rookie QB not ‘feel’ them.
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If you can't tolerate growing pains from vets then how can you keep defending Brown
or make statements like yesterday that Licht, Chester and Monty are starting quality? (and yes even Licht, a couple good games this year against weak teams, does not outweigh his horrid year last season. He still can earn a shot but he can’t be labeled a ‘good’ or ‘quality’ starter yet.)
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
just as I'm not opposed to improving the QB position
I just happen to believe that there is better value in 2 QB’s both with upside and talent, over overpaying for one.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
he just can't admit that he's wrong
and he tries to add words to my statements where there aren’t any.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
I don't care who our QB is until the line is fixed he's not going to improve this team.
Since we arguably need 4 new starters along the offensive line it does seem to be the main focus. But good luck reaching for a QB, that always works.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
wow
another year where we need 4 new starters…………………..there is a big surprise coming from you. Maybe it’s just our incompetent staff, who doesn’t know how to select linemen.
Crying Lion
what starters do we have along our offensive line??
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
TW, Licht, Chester, Hurt
and possible Monty(although I view him to be replacement level)
Crying Lion
Hurt has been awful this year
he shouldn’t be considered a starter and might not even cut it as a backup. Chester hasn’t been great at all, his versatility will keep him on the team, but they can do better for a starting job. Ditto for Monty and he’s a UFA.
Licht looked pretty good this year, but would he have kept it up we don’t know. I’d like to say yes, but with the injury and that uncertainty the Redskins should have a replacement option in place. My idea would be to find 3 other good starters and have Licht and Chester fight it out.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
My idea would be 3 new guys too
see, we agree. It’s just where we get the 3 that we disagree.
Crying Lion
then why mention Licht, Chester, Hurt and Monty as starters?
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
Santana Moss is a starter
but do I believe we can upgrade……………yes. I believe TW, Licht, and Chester are all of starting calibur, and I believe Hurt is developing into one. Now, Nicks would be an obvious upgrade to Licht, Hurt or Chester……..agree? Monty can hold his own at C, but I belive there could be better young options for our future. Jujry is still out on Brown, but I believe if a better young option came along, I take it.
Crying Lion
huge difference
you can make the same case at any position, i.e. Brian Orakpo is a starter but I think we need an upgrade.
But honestly Moss is a capable starter in the league as evidenced by his 90 catch, 1,100 yard season last year. Maybe he’s not elite or great, or even a very good starter, but he is a good starter and would be a quality starter on a number of teams in the league and a good number 3 on most others.
The same can’t be said for our line. Those that would start would only suit up for the worst lines around the league (Arizona, Jacksonville, Chicago) and no more than two of them would be starting on any team in this league.
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by Steve Shoup on Nov 30, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Also how is the jury still out on Brown?
He’s our worst starting lineman (Hurt would maybe be worse over 16 games), and has been now for two years.
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by Steve Shoup on Nov 30, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Completely off topic, but...
Are you the David Houck that grew up in the Seminary Valley area of Alexandria, class of ’72?
Haha.. No
No that is not me, I am from the Richmond Area, high school class of ‘09, college class of 2013. However it is nice to hear when someone else has my last name, there aren’t that many Houcks, at least that I know of.
It's good being David Houck
The David that I grew up with was a good guy… and a Redskins fan.
i think at where we are picking if we can’t move back that cb would be a great place to pick in the early mid first round, then go OL for sure in the 2nd with a tackle, and draft an interior lineman later in the draft.
I don't understand your vote of No Confidence in Flynn
He was a big-time SEC QB who won a NC. He has the skill-set to be a good QB and has spent a few seasons playing with one of the best offenses in the NFL and learning from one of the best QB’s in the league.
How is he a worse option than any of the college QB’s who haven’t taken an NFL snap?
by StephanHart on Nov 30, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
He was not a Big-Time SEC QB
He was a one year starter, who made the most of his senior year. Again, nothing much to see here.
Crying Lion
I'll take an SEC QB over most any other...closest thing you can get to NFL football in college
by StephanHart on Nov 30, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
That still doesn't begin to defend a one-year starter like Flynn
Didn’t Jamarcus Russell come out of the SEC. Didn’t Heath Schuler? Didn’t Tim Couch?
For every one that’s a success, they’re prob 3 failures.
Crying Lion
3 Failure for every Success is probably the rule of thumb for all drafted QBs
And I’m not saying Flynn will necessarily be better than any of the guys who will be drafted this year, but he very well could be with the situation he’s had in GB.
And here's the long (Gaffney) and short (Rex) of it:
We are in agreement that we need a new QB for next year.
I dont know who will be the better QB for this team: A 1st round pick, a later round pick, or a FA.
The Redskins Front Office will make that determination and we will have to trust whatever they do. My point is simply that, if you can identify a FA QB or a later round QB as being as good as a QB that will get drafted in the first round, it opens up your list of options for building your team.
A 1st round QB doesn’t have to be the end-all be-all
In 2010
we needed a LT after the retirement of Samuels. We were picking 4th, an we took the best guy avaliable(or at least the best guy to fit our scheme). Has that decision worked? Well, some may say yes, and some may not be ready to say yes or no at this point, but what is evident is that TW has a great skill set, and sometimes we see that shine right through. Point is, we had a glaring need, that could not be ignored, and we went out, and took a risk on a player whom we thought could fill that need.
Now, entering into 2011, we had another glaring need, this time at QB – seems like every 3-4 years, this is a glaring need right? Yes………and maybe it is that way, because we have yet to take a chance on a high draft pick to fill the position. So, moving forward, we neglect to fill that need in the 2011 Draft, instead opting for the trade back approach, to gain valuable picks that could help out team………………………..ok, we did it. Smart move? Probably. Newton was gone, and Locker was gone(my two favorites). Ponder and Dalton were reaches, and Gabbert just sucked. So, we go into 2011 with the worst QB situation in the NFL, yet people still expect us to be competitive. Well, we are competitive, against the little sisters of the poor, and injury ridden teams; yet against good teams, we suck, as usual. Funny how our coaches saw that the QB they had settled on to lead us, was stinking it up majorly, and they decided to make a change.
Well, as we all know, that change didn’t work, so we were forced to libve with the best of the worst. So, yet again, we are looking forward to 2012, with no hope for the future at the QB position. We all know if Grossman was the future, he never would have been pulled in favor of John Beck. I think we are all smart enough to read between the lines, and see that no future exists on this current team.
Now, mind you, QB is by far the most important position on a football team, and we have had major problems at this position for the last 2 decades. Hell, we can’t seem to keep a QB for more than 4 years. Also, while all this QB suffeling has been going on, we have NOT been winning. Think there is a coorelation?
We have completely exhausted the well with the FA veteran QB approach, and aside for a few good years form Brunell, and 2 decent ones form Johnson, it didn’t work out i our favor. We have also tried to draft a QB with a late 1st or 2nd round pick, and that hasn’t worked either.
Whats left for us to try?…………………….I’ll tell you. We need to spend a high pick on quality prospect, then work out tail off to develop that QB in the mold to fit our offense.
This is really the only approach we have failed to try over the last 15 years, so what in the hell would it hurt to give it a try now? It can’t get much worse that it has been………………………
Crying Lion
okay what happens if we are picking at 8, Griffin's back to school and Luck and Barkley are off the board
do we reach for Jones?? B/c Jones sure ain’t ready, and he’s not a great fit for our system. All you’re doing is increasing the liklihood that he fails.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
Jones is no reach
We would be lucky to have a talent like him. But if it were up to you, I’m sure you’d have us moving back(yet again) and reaching for Adams with our pick somewhere in the 20’s.
Great philosophy!
Crying Lion
better than taking Jones at 8
Jones isn’t in the top 18 much less the top 10. But why argue b/c he’s got a great arm!!
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There again
you have show your ignorance. Just like you said Locker wasn’t a 1st rounder last year.
Crying Lion
There is a difference to what teams do and what they should do
Locker would be awful if he as starting right now and the Titans are doing their best to develop him up to his potential.
I don’t fault them for doing that, though I still consider it a risk to use a top 10 pick on a guy who needs to completely redevelop his game.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
Any time you want to sit down and watch film with me
I’d be happy to educate you on QB play. I, unlike others, form my own opinions by watching games, not reading blogs or mock drafts.
Crying Lion
dude I've watched nearly every game of all the top QB's this year
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It's hasn't shown.......dude
You analysis is horrible, and only goes to support your own ideals.
Mine, unlike yours, have changed, and i’m not afraid to admit it. You know I was not a fan of Barkley coming into this year, but I ate my plate of crow, and had a total reversal. I told you from the start that Reiff and Martin were both overrated, but I later admitted to being a little harsh on Martin(although I don’t think he’s that special). You know I’m a huge fan of the big 10, and watch every game I can, yet when I tell you Mike Adams has stunk up the joint against average comprtition, you still defend his first round status in your mind, just because you saw it on a few mock drafts.
Crying Lion
wow...
my analysis is horrible? and this is coming from the guy who wanted to use a top 10 pick last year on Jake Locker, resign Jamaal Brown, and tried to call me out earlier this year that Brown was playing well, didn’t want to focus on the line, and still believes that Landry Jones is top 10 pick material this year.
So you are still saying Reiff is overrated?? Because he’s been like a wall this year for Iowa.
As for Adams i stand by the fact that he is in that 25-40 range. He might be more of a RT prospect in the NFL, but he’d be an upgrade over what we have now.
As for Barkley I was wrong as well, and he has shown excellent growth, though I’d still say his ceiling is at the very good level. I think he’s got a good chance of reaching it, but I worry about his accuracy and decision making once the windows get smaller in the NFL.
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by Steve Shoup on Nov 30, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
I think more of that has to do with coaching than anything else.
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
Here are the issues.
1. Drafting a QB is a huge risk with a extremely high bust rate.
2. QBs drafted after the first round have a far higher bust rate than QBs drafted in the first round. Also first round picks are not even close to the financial cap hit they once were.
3. Shanny will not succeed in his rebuilding project without improved QB talent.
4. How long is Snyder going to give Shanny to rebuild?
Skins have tried shortcuts at QB and they haven’t worked. Grossman’s chances of leading the Skins to playoffs next year are low (anything is possible but planning on that long-shot is ludicrous to me). Of course a rookie QB leading them to the playoffs is also a long-shot, but developmental progress would give a far better boost to the future aspirations of the Redskins.
I don’t believe the Shanny endeavor can survive another losing season without talent either waiting in the wings at the QB position or developing on the field. The best chance of getting that talent is in the first round of the draft. Shanny could succeed in finding that talent in later rounds but it is far less likely.
Agreed. We need should draft a QB in the first round....unless....
We are offered a ridiculous amount to trade out of our pick.
Or we are out of draft position to get one of the top QBs and are forced to trade picks or reach for a guy we are unsure of. In this case, it would make sense to draft a later round QB and get a FA QB as well.
I think its an essential risk for Shanny’s success and future here (which I want because the alternatives with Snyder are too dark to contemplate). You can make a good argument in a vacuum that’s its not wise, but I think that fails to address the pressures specific to the Redskins. Shanny doesn’t have infinite time.
But that's exactly what I don't want: A rash decision based on Mike Shanahan not wanting to get fired
You should want all decisions to be made with the long term success of the franchise as the forefront in everyone’s minds
my preferences
QB
OT
NT
CB
OG
and then whatever. Our WRs aren’t killing us right now so we’ll deal with that the year after or in FA.
But sign Fred Davis!
And another tight-end who can block.
Trade Cooley
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