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Mike Shanahan: "We're going with Graham [Gano]"; Injury Updates

Some highlights from Mike Shanahan's presser just now:

  • Shanahan: "We're going with Graham. Those [blocks] had nothing to do with Graham." [Redskins]
  • When asked if he regrets benching QB Rex Grossman, he said did what he needed to at time but Grossman is guy now. [Zack Boyer]
  • Darrel Young suffered a concussion.
  • Stephen Bowen has a third-degree PCL tear in his knee. No surgery required. It's "not good" but it doesn't require surgery and "hopefully he'll be able to play this weekend." [Rich Campbell]
  • "Our players .... they're not going to take any crap." [FNNChuck]
  • Shanahan on Josh Wilson pass interference in 3rd Quarter: "Some calls are ticky-tac, but you have to live with them." [FNNChuck]

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Curious...

Unfortunately, I’m out of the country till Wednesday (having major football withdraw). I saw in the box score Helu and Riley had big number days. Did they play as well as their #’s indicate?

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by Redskin44 on Nov 28, 2011 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

Yes

And Rex had a great day, too, barring the two INTs.

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by BillWard on Nov 28, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel like that's going to be the story of the rest of the season with the sex cannon

We should just anticipate 2 turnovers a game and the outcome will depend on whether or not we can overcome it

by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 28, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That's what I've

Become resigned to. Truthfully, I don’t even react to the INT’s anymore. As long as he keeps it to two, I can take it.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Nov 29, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Rex had the best play ever

when his pass got batted back at him, he caught it, then threw it again! The Dragon was on fire.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 28, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.

by Jeff Bernard on Nov 28, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Riley

had another great game. He looked like our best player on D yesterday. Quick and decisive and I didnt see him miss any tackles, which is more than I can say for pretty much the rest of the D. Very solid and should have his ILB spot secured for awhile

by DFett on Nov 28, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

with a coach like shanahan you never know

look at helu….clearly a good young rb. but he still puts in torain every other game. shanahan is on the hot seat imo

by munson21502 on Nov 28, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

That hot seat isn't even luke warm yet.

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by Parks Smith on Nov 28, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Cool as a cucumber

No way the Danny does anything after this year. It doesn’t make any sense from any perspective. They’d lose the progress of the two years with Shanny only to start over again. They would never be able to hire anyone good because Snyder would be toxic again. And it would hurt the team financially as the fan base would turn against the owner even more.

Shanahan on the hot seat makes as much sense as curing a headache with amputation.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 28, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

what progress?

we have 4 wins might get 5. thats not even a top ten pick this year. 3 of our wins came from teams that wont win more then 10 games combined. and we had to come from behind to win them!. then team is worse then what it was before shanahan got here. the hot seat is warming up trust me :)

by munson21502 on Nov 28, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Injuries are part of football but what if we don't have this rash this year?

What if Grossman would’ve stayed the starter.

I think with everything, at the very least we’d be 5-6, possibly 6-6 or better. As a matter of fact, if Gano gets the job done last week then we’re 5-6. The only game we’ve been out of is the Hoser Bowl massacre.

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by Parks Smith on Nov 28, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

if we had even a half good qb

we woulda went 6-0 pretty easy. we are alot better then a 5-12 team. we just need a good qb and some depth on the oline and maybe a cb. we could of and should have got that next year in the draft in with rex or beck as our only option at qb. i have no idea what the coaches plans are but i thought we was in a rebuild year. so i wasnt that upset with rex or beck. ill take a losing season to get more picks that we can use to fill holes without trading back. we were in a prefect spot this week and the coaches blew it. now we will either have to trade up up or just wait till next year to draft a qb and maybe sign a FA qb. it really sucks that a 5-11 record wont get u a top 10 pick.. thats just our luck i guess

by munson21502 on Nov 28, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you just answered your own question

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by Parks Smith on Nov 28, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

well i think draft picks will help us

with the way bruce has been picking them. i think we coulda have gotten at least 4 starters next draft. and some much needed depth. but now that chance is gone if shanahan wants 1 of the top 4 rookie qbs.

by munson21502 on Nov 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, for one

bp. What if Grossman would’ve stayed the starter.

Half the team would’ve been laid up with Pneumonia.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Nov 29, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

They are light years ahead of where they were when Shanny took over

Last year was about living with the bad contracts and lack of talent left by the prior debacle. This year was about building the defense, which is now playoff caliber. He’ll address the offense this offseason and be in position to compete next year.

If you can’t see the difference between the team now and the Cerrato/Zorn era, I feel sorry for you. That team was a mess and just gave up during games. This team is still fighting every play despite being out of the playoff hunt, injured, and lacking in talent.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 28, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah but

carter, rogers are both doing well for their new teams. only 2 that have done bad is mcnabb who shanahan give up a 2nd and 3rd for, and of course big fat albert. our d was pretty good for years untill last year, we were like 30th. this year we are in the mid teens but still get burnt by big plays and give up yards to good rbs. our offence still sucks though. so the improved defense isnt helping us this year. and of course we have no depthso when injurys come we are dead meat.

by munson21502 on Nov 28, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

team is way better

Our defense before lacked turnovers. shanahan researched the 3-4 heavily before coming to washington and was going to put in a 3-4 wherever he went because he deemed it the better system. Secondly, we are a top 10 pass defense. Next year when we have some d-line depth im sure we will get better at defending the run. Finally, depth takes time to build. You dont suddenly have depth when you have 2 draft picks a year for a decade.

by wtf?studios on Nov 28, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

also our Run Stoping D lineman J.J.

will be back next year, I say D lineman because I think he will switch between DE and NT a lot with Cofield, with Neild coming in sparingly. Also, wouldn’t it be neat if we started putting Kerrigan in a 3 point stance with Orakpo behind him every once in a while. We did it once that I can remember this season and the team called a time out.

Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.

by jbh1190 on Nov 29, 2011 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Get over

Rogers and Carter. Carlos was not gonna stay here, period. He said himself he told his agent not to even call the Redskins. And Carter just wasn’t a fit for our team anymore. Besides, I’ll take RyKer over Carter anyway.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Nov 29, 2011 8:59 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Doesn't the Snydermobile have built in, electric hotseats?

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by BillWard on Nov 28, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

Even though he said Helu is the starter and even though Torrain didn’t see the field Sunday(at least i didn’t see him)?

When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.

by Jeff Bernard on Nov 28, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s great. His development I think is criticial. To be honest I had written the guy off by week 8

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And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name

by Redskin44 on Nov 28, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

That pass interference call wasn't "Ticky Tac"

the offensive guy grabbed Hall on his chest and shoved him. Hall did nothing while the offensive guy committed blatant interference.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 28, 2011 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

What does that have to do with the one on Josh Wilson?

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by Parks Smith on Nov 28, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Ooops

Sometimes I see want I want to see. He wrote “Wilson”, I saw “Hall”. Still, the guy did grab him and shove him down. That I know!

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 28, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I saw, except it was Josh Wilson, not DeAngelo Hall that got grabbed

Should have been a blatant Offensive Pass Interference.

And I’m wondering why the Seahawks didn’t get more personal fouls with the way they were playing. That is one sorry team if they thought those were legal, and sorrier refs who weren’t paying attention. At one point the broadcasters showed 6 Personal fouls, none called, all against the Seahawks for things like late hits, etc. That entire crew just needs to be told their services aren’t needed next year.

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by BillWard on Nov 28, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

were they the worst broadcasters ever or what, he called Kyle Shanahan, Kyle Schottenheimer

Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.

by jbh1190 on Nov 29, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

They weren't the WORST.

But they were bad.

But hey, when you have two teams with a combined 7-12 record playing……

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by BillWard on Nov 29, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

playing beck

was like taking a knee for every single snap of every game he started… i knew we were done for when i seen these 2 clowns as our only options.. too bad we wont get a better qb in the draft but im sure a 4th round qb couldnt be as bad as john beck so at least we wil get a good back up to rex

by munson21502 on Nov 28, 2011 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

Dude, we could have been contending right now if not for the rash of injuries on offense.

People don’t seem to remember this point… we could have been a contender.

Even with Rex the human heartattack machine.

I guess it’s just another era of the Cardiac Kids. But we could have been there… just at a glance, we would have won at least two more games, which would have had us in a tie for first in the NFC East*, and I think we might have pulled out three.

  • Because one win would have been against Dallas last week, of course.

No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-

by BillWard on Nov 28, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't understand

The Redskins could have had class. The Redskins could have been somebody instead of a bum which is what the Redskins are.

by hambonejackson on Nov 28, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Who?

When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.

by Jeff Bernard on Nov 28, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Troll.

The only bum around here is you?

Who let this Jackass in here anyway?

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by BillWard on Nov 28, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The dude is bi-polar

Sometimes he’s a Skins fan sometimes he isn’t (he has another screen name “chriscooley47”. I don’t get it really, he must be bored.

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by Parks Smith on Nov 28, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe

but he is paraphrasing Brando from On the Waterfront so he gets points for taste

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by Steve Shoup on Nov 28, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Too bad it didn’t really make any sense in this context.

That’s my 2 cents. On to next week’s nail biter and Rex’s obligatory 3 int.
Fingers crossed.

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by caps&skins on Nov 28, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a paraphrase

what Brando said. i couldn’t resist Bill Wards “we could have been a contender” phrase. Obviously, “On the Waterfront” is an under watched movie.

by hambonejackson on Nov 28, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

heh

a hambone talking shit about being a bum.

by TheDeepBall on Nov 28, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I too could have been a contender

but why? For what? Acceptance? Or are we on the verge of immortality? People need to go quietly through the night instead of all the sound and fury.

by hambonejackson on Nov 28, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny

I haven’t heard a peep from my Eagret fan friends in weeks. Almost forgot about them.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Nov 29, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL HIGHLIGHTS?

nothing positive came about this blog post

shout out to my car keys

by superdupervillee on Nov 28, 2011 11:17 PM EST reply actions  

Gano is unbelieveably terrible.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 29, 2011 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

How great would it be if Gano did warmups versus the Jets with a perm and was toe-kicking?

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 29, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

by saying that

i’m assuming you’re blaming him for the blocked kicks?

by travisjh86 on Nov 29, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

no, the kickoff out of bounds

and having the most missed kicks in the NFL over the past two years.

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by smutsboy1 on Nov 29, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

i put the kickoff out of bounds on the coachs

we shouldn’t have been directionally kicking that late in the game with a lead, should have just kicked it out of the endzone for a touchback and no chance at a return.

As for the most missed kicks, can’t really defend it but I’ll try anyways. He’s had 3 or 4 blocked this year now though? He’s young, has a strong leg, and is actually pretty accurate regardless of his misses. I think our problems with FG’s have been more than just Gano, problems with snaps, protection, and making it one fluid motion. I’m not giving up on him and want him to stick around.

by travisjh86 on Nov 29, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

No. He's not accurate at all.

We currently have the lowest FT% rate of any team in the league, for the second year running.

Sorry. He’s terrible.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 29, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

^FG%^

but I bet Gano sucks at FTs too

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 29, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you're just looking at the stat line

Only one he missed from 20-29 was blocked, he’s missed 3 from 30-39 (one of which was blocked), 3 from 40-49 and 2 from 50+. He needs to make those 30-39 on a consistent basis and he definitely can improve, but he’s not a bad kicker.

Everyones pissed at him for the past few weeks but let’s be honest, our line couldn’t block for shit this past week on FG’s and the week before that he missed 2, one from 49 and the other from 52. I’m not mad about that, they barely squeaked outside. The week before that he went 3/5 where the wind was obviously a factor, miami’s kicker missed one as well.

by travisjh86 on Nov 29, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

dude, he's been LAST two years running

you can’t explain that away.

he is objectively not accurate.

at all.

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by smutsboy1 on Nov 30, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

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