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Redskins SHOULD Lose (Week #12)

Now...the title of this post is mostly attention grabbing. As I stated last week, and was helped along to better clarity of my point by some of the posters who understood my underlying thought, I want the team to come out and play hard (compete their a** off) but I see long term value in losing and would be A-okay with the team losing (getting beaten - NOT TANKING) the rest of the season.

Excited that the Redskins won today!!! They played hard and should have beat the Seahawks by significantly more. Helu was a monster and should have been playing more earlier in the season. Gaffney should definitely have a spot on his team next year and DHall did his thing tonight!!!

As for some of the posters in the game thread today, I do not think that expressing that point has any place in an active game thread. If your boss is  a Democrat (or Republican) and you are a Republican (or Democrat) sometimes you have to keep your views to yourself, especially while watching a close election (or in this case a close game). So while some see a short term and appropriate view that WINNING is something that should always happen and that a losing culture is more dangerous than a high draft pick , others see a long term and appropriate view that LOSING now can beget more winning later without having to trade picks in order to get there (i.e. a QB). But during an ACTIVE game thread, root for the team, comment on players good or bad performance, or KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. You can go back and check the thread for hypocrisy, but not a single comment or mine during the game said ANYTHING about losing. 

On a side note...all of those who say they don't care about draft picks, winning is all that matters, if the team trades multiple 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks to move up in the draft, some of you will be the same ones complaining about that when it happens.

With all of that said....here is where things stand after today (UPDATED - Per Parks):

1. Indianapolis Colts (0-11)
2. Minnesota Vikings (2-9)
3. St. Louis Rams (2-9)
4. Jacksonville Jaguars(3-8)
5. Carolina Panthers (3-8)
6. Miami Dolphins (3-8)
7. Washington Redskins (4-7)
8. Arizona Cardinals (4-7)
9. Kansas City Chiefs (4-7)
10. Philadelphia Eagles (4-7)

 

#1 - Most likely going to Colts for sure with Luck as the likely pick. 

 

 

So if Barkley, or RGIII decide to stay in for another year, then the Redskins are stuck needing to trade up. 

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I'm perfectly fine with us trading up for THAT GUY.

Why can’t we trade a player? If Shanny wants a certain QB, from Luck to Jones, he should do whatever it takes to get him.

by Andrew DeFrank on Nov 27, 2011 10:11 PM EST reply actions  

5-11

i just want to sweep the giants and that’s it

by alleykatt1000 on Nov 27, 2011 10:56 PM EST reply actions  

Games like today... allow us to spot talent within the organization...

ILB Perry Riley (11 tackles, 6 solo) looks like the future ILB we needed. For now, he and London look like a solid team in the middle. Them, combined with Orakpo and Kerrigan, give us an awesome Linebacker corps.

RB Helu looks like a dual threat (rushing and receiving).

The next 5 games should be used to spot more future stars… I’d love to see more of NT Nield, WR Paul, CB Thompson and OLB Markus White.

WR Hankerson needs to step up!!!

by 1x1an on Nov 27, 2011 11:09 PM EST reply actions  

Unfortunately, he didn’t impress anyone prior to going IR… he needs to get healthy ASAP… and improve his game

Kidding right???? The kid got his opportunity, and he lit it up.

Crying Lion

by Tiller56 on Nov 28, 2011 7:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude, do you know what you're talking about?

He was playing his first start, and got over 100 yards and a TD.

He HAS stepped up his game…. and he’s on IR, and can’t “get healthy ASAP” since, you might not know, IR is for the rest of the SEASON. We’ll see Hank the Tank in OTAs soon enough, but he’s not coming back this year, kinda like Jarvis Jenkins isn’t. Or Chris Cooley. Or Lichtensteiger.

No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-

by BillWard on Nov 28, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand everyone has opinions and I read these threads week in and week out and i am absolutly astonished that people would want our team to lose to gain draft position. Sorry but if Shanny finds the QB or whatever prospect he intends on drafting he will make a deal to still get that player. We are not that far away from being contenders. We need depth of course and our Oline and Qb are definatly areas that need better play but we have had alot of progress this year and at one point were sitting at the top of the division. I can’t wait to see this year play out and I love how our young bucks Helu and Riley are playing. Not to mention Hankerson was starting to play phenomenal and what you like to see is progression and he did that each week he played.

by fraja926 on Nov 27, 2011 11:16 PM EST reply actions  

Did you read the entire post above? (just curious)

You say we need a lot of depth, but are okay with Shanahan trading a ton of picks IF he finds a guy at the top of the draft desirable. So then what happens to depth? It wouldn’t just affect this years (2012) draft, but next years draft as well, so in the long term view…depth would suffer. Whereas losing out the rest of the season could net a higher pick and to take one of the top 3 or 4 QB’s AND preserve depth by keeping picks.

Redskins @Robert Griffin III - 2012

by Copious 1 on Nov 27, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

In my opinion where we need depth is OL. I believe that will be addressed for sure this next season. Defense was addressed last year, offense will be this year. I really trust shanny and bruce and how they are piecing this team together. I understand what you are saying though of trading up and losing potential pieces. Only time will tell which road they decide to go down…

by fraja926 on Nov 28, 2011 12:01 AM EST reply actions  

in my opinion these are our needs:
-draft and groom a QB
-draft and sign multiple OL
-resign fred davis
-bring back Adam C.
-draft or sign another WR to compliment Moss, Gaffney, Hankerson, and Niles Paul
-draft and/or sign another CB
-draft another NT
-resign Landry
and somewhere down the line try to draft or find someone to sit and play behind Fletcher

by fraja926 on Nov 28, 2011 12:12 AM EST reply actions  

i don't think carriker is a priority

Playing markedly better in a contract year is a red flag to me. I would be happy if we resigned him, but I think he’s fairly replaceable.

Otherwise, I agree with you across the board.

by sofutomygaha on Nov 28, 2011 8:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Re-sign him

and play him in the rotation behind Jenkins. He’s not going to cost us uber-money, and he seems like he has finally found a home.

Crying Lion

by Tiller56 on Nov 28, 2011 8:05 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe I'm overestimating his asking price

I’m guessing that he’s going to want something in the 5/$25 range, i.e. starter money. What do you think he’ll get?

by sofutomygaha on Nov 28, 2011 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I figured 5 years, 20 mil, with some esculators

Although who knows, we did over-pay slightly for Bowen, so maybe he’ll want closer to that………….if so, I say let him find it elsewhere.

Crying Lion

by Tiller56 on Nov 28, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

We could be in serious trouble in the QB race right now

and could be forced to trade up. Maybe Landry Jones slipping a bit this past month is a blessing is disguise, as he could fall to us. We will definitly beat Minn, and could sneak another game out of somewhere.

Right now, I see us almost having to trade up for a QB, and I hope if they do trade up, it is for Luck.

Crying Lion

by Tiller56 on Nov 28, 2011 8:04 AM EST reply actions  

Trading up with middle-of-the-round picks will be painful.

I think we’re looking at a reboot of the 2011 draft. Let’s hope that Griffin isn’t this year’s Christian Ponder.

by sofutomygaha on Nov 28, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I still think Griffin stays at Baylor

My guess is Luck, Jones and Barkley…………….then the rest. If we are at 10-12, we have to move up, of it’s another year without a QB(unless your a Foles, Weeden, Tannehill of Cousins guy – which I’m not)

Crying Lion

by Tiller56 on Nov 28, 2011 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

But hey

if Griffin does come out, I’m happy as hell if we draft him at say #12

Crying Lion

by Tiller56 on Nov 28, 2011 8:19 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That would be my dream scenario.

Assuming the Colts don’t suddenly go on a winning streak and the universe conspires to give us #1 overall.

"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.

by Reedskin on Nov 28, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

For the record

I’d rather us win anyday. I just think now, that a trade may be required…………and I’m fine with that.

Crying Lion

by Tiller56 on Nov 28, 2011 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Question and comments

Why do you thing Griffin stays in, he has no solid reason to not come out that I can think of
-Completed undergraduate degree, working on masters which he can complete while in the NFL and getting paid.

I’m a big fan of RG3, leadership and attitude, plus the skills to play in the NFL
Although I’m not a fan of trading up for any reason, use the picks to get solid best player available, if a QB comes a QB comes…no one is a sure thing.

by dr WNC on Nov 28, 2011 8:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Griffin right now is the 4th QB

and prob a mid round selection in the 1st. He’s definitly moving up, but he’s still behind others. He needs to prove he’s not a one-year wonder, and another year at Baylor will help to do that. Also, he has already graduated, and as said he wants to attend law school, and get one year completed. If he returns in 2012, and playes anywhere near to what he did this season, he could be the number one draft pick in 2013.

He has asperations of making the Olympic team as a hurdler. Baylor has one of the premeir training facilities in the nation for track. He could stay, train, do law school, and improve his draft position with another year at Baylor.

In 2013, he vaults himself to a top 5 pick.

Crying Lion

by Tiller56 on Nov 28, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

If he finishes strong, he won't need to prove anything else

He has thrown about as many passes as Luck and Barkley have at the college level

by sofutomygaha on Nov 28, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I could see him moving up ala Newton before draft day

I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name

by Redskin44 on Nov 29, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Tiller!

I didn’t mean to duck your bet. I wasn’t trolling around until just now.

I will put a gentlemanly bet on Griffin vs. Jones. If Jones gets drafted before Griffin, you post a fanshot of yourself in a “sofutomygaha is my life coach” t-shirt.

Sound familiar to anyone? For example, anyone who has a guilty conscience and hates Chad Pennington?

by sofutomygaha on Nov 28, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

For the record, I love Chad Pennington and there was an injury clause in the bet

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by Parks Smith on Nov 28, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

The pieces are in place for next year

We found our RB. We found some good young WR’s(Hank and Paul – by the way, Paul caught everything thrown his way). We could have found some nice depth on the O-Line(Hurt). We know we have a legit receiving threat in Davis, and he needs to be re-signed. We have a nice FB in Young. We need linemen(can get at least 1 stud in FA), and we need a QB. 3 more offensive starters – 2 linemen, 1 QB. Between FA and the draft, I’n sure we can accomplish this.

As long as we re-sign Landry and Fletcher, I’m content to let the defense go. When healthy, we are a pretty good defense, and I think everyone can admit that.

Even if we decide to trade a shit load to get Luck, we still have FA – where we can focus on getting Nicks/Grubbs, and we would hopefully retain our 3rd round pick(we could focus on a guy like Ben Jones, or Potter, or Brewster), and I’d assume we would have at least one of out two 4ths(maybe a guy like Posey).

I’m fine with this as long as we get our guy at QB, and bring in 2 new starters along the O-line.

I can then say, the pieces are now in place.

If anyone can say this is not a better line-up than we had this year, please speak up:
QB – Luck
RB – Helu
FB – Young
WR – Hankerson
WR – Moss
WR – Paul/Gaffney
LT – TW
LG – Licht
C – Jones/Brewster(both rookies)
RG – Nicks or Grubbs
RT – Potter(or another rookie)

Crying Lion

by Tiller56 on Nov 28, 2011 8:17 AM EST reply actions  

I completely agree with this

The only reason I was fine with losing out the rest of the season was to get what we need in the draft without trading picks to do so. It’s good to break the losing streak for the team’s morale: this is their livelihood and it’s foolish to think they will try to lose, or that they aren’t affected by repeated losses.

I think if our defense consistently holds opponents to 14-17 a game, then we’ll be just fine. Getting Jenkins back could be phenomenal. Some folks just need to go back to Tackling 101.

Yes, it’s all about finishing the moves on the offensive side of the ball for Shanahan. Best case scenario was doing this without trading away picks, but as long as this gets done in the end, I’m fine.

by willster on Nov 28, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

where did Luck come from? did he fall off a truck?

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 29, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Redskins - the next "surprise" contender

Just shows how close and competitive the league is.

by Donnio1234 on Nov 29, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Your draft order is incorrect.

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by Parks Smith on Nov 28, 2011 10:39 AM EST reply actions  

Fixed

I estimated strength of schedule and didn’t look it up. It was only a rough mock up.

Redskins @Robert Griffin III - 2012

by Copious 1 on Nov 28, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

If we win the last 5 games (for 9-7), we would very likely be second in the

NFC East, one or two games behind Dallas, and with a slim (10%) chance for a wild card (needing Atlanta or Chicago to lose three more games). That wouldn’t be so good for our draft position, but would be pretty satisfying. Of course, beating the Patriots is never easy.

by Donnio1234 on Nov 29, 2011 8:41 PM EST reply actions  

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