Looking Forward: QB Caretaker for 2012 Redskins? How about Rex Grossman?
It's that time of year again, where Redskins fans start thinking about the next one. One thing that has me a little confused is that there don't seem to be many projecting the return of Rex Grossman as our QB caretaker. While we try to be realistic when creating our scenarios, we also inject a little armchair GM'ing, otherwise where's the fun in it? However, the excesses of our owner have led most of us to curtail our fan-thusiasm when imagining the future, and recent suggestions of the future at QB stretch credulity.
There's a running joke with respect to Kyle Shanahan's personnel preference; namely his predilection for picking up Texans cast-offs, guys who already know the system the Redskins are utilizing. Thinking of this also brought to mind a recent point from Ken's most recent Ten Yard Fight:
You know how you learn to win in the NFL? BY WINNING. It is just that simple. Winning begets winning. If we are serious about carrying over stability and continuity from 2011 into 2012, then we need wins this year to help us be winners next year.
This is tangentially applicable to Kyle's 'philosophy', these guys, knowing the system, can focus on winning within said system and provide a stop gap solution while the team continues to reload for the future. Now of course any clear upgrade of talent (or especially youth and talent) represents a 'Plan A' and will trump the 'Plan B' or 'Plan C' debate with respect to the QB position. Remember, Kyle Orton is no one's 'Plan A'.
If it seems I've gotten a little off base, I apologize. Further forgive my mentioning a few truisms; continuity is essential to establishing a winning culture, players play better with a leader they know and respect, and finally a question: remember who that guy is this year?
A different QB can change everything about the offense. If that wasn't clear before, getting an up close and personal look at our team under Rex Grossman and John Beck should drive that point home. And yes, I'll admit I was in the 'Shanahan said Rex and Beck are 1 and 1A, let's see what 1A can do' camp. Why would our coaches jeopardize the competitive chemistry the offense seems to enjoy from time to time with a QB that knows the system, enjoys the confidence of the offensive coordinator and commands the respect of said offense for a QB who doesn't represent the 'Plan A' kind of upgrade we talked about earlier? Doesn't that make talk about grabbing a different non-franchise caretaker a change-for-change's-sake?
And if you buy nothing else, remember these are the Shanahans. Papa staked his reputation on Beck and Grossman. One of those two will be gone next year, could you really see him letting both of them walk? Now that is a projection that doesn't stretch my credulity.
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Of course you trade for Rivers depending on what the Chargers want. Him, VINCE JACKSON, and Turner as the OC.We give them Kyle Shanahan for next their head coach and we can throw them Grossman if he isn’t picked off, and Gaffney. Seems fair.
Hmmm
A prima donna QB on the decline, a head case receiver, and the ex-HC who never made good…wonder why we haven’t pulled the trigger already…
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 24, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
keep grossman
with grossman finishing the rest of this year, he’ll have more continuity and more experience with the team. we draft a good QB next year and let grossman(with more talent and a better Oline) start for us next year. i think grossman will have a better year with more weapons around him. if he doesn’t then you start the rookie. i’m with doing EVERYTHING with finally and fully addressing the OL. that’s 90% of our problem.
Keep Grossman if, and only if...
…he plays well for the rest of this season (we still have a ways to go). If the offense continues to click, and Rex can go the rest of the season performing at a level equal to that of the Cowboys game, I’d say keep him for another year or two while we groom our future starter who we will pick up in the draft.
Well...
He plays up and down, so it’s hard to see him performing at vs Cowboys level the whole time. I’m not saying I’d be upset if we replaced him in the offseason (especially if he’s giving us ‘Bad Rex’…but unless we’re starting the rookie for sure, there’s no clear upgrade in talent available and it starts to look like change for change’s sake
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 24, 2011 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly the well articulated argument I'm trying to address
It’s difficult for me to see us bringing in a new QB (a la Matt Flynn) and experiencing better results than the Cardinals are seeing with Kevin Kolb, growing pains as he transitions into a starter, little onfield chemistry, etc. ad nauseam. Drafting a new QB into an environment with a stable offense is far more logical, even if Rex Grossman is the QB.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 24, 2011 8:16 AM EST up reply actions
or Kolb could be struggling b/c his line might be worse than Grossmans
Now i’m not a huge Kolb fan, but Flynn isn’t someone we’d trade for. And there are plenty of success stories.
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but there are so many examples of failure in that scenario too.
the first or maybe first notable being scott mitchell followed up by probably at least one example per season all the way up to Kolb this year. It’s not the strategy that matters in these cases, it’s the quality of the player…he either has it or he doesnt
but this isn't a trade
where as if we have a failure in the first round it’s far worse
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by Steve Shoup on Nov 26, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
so we should be afraid to fail and therefore place our hopes in Matt Flynn
because his locker is next to Aaron Rodgers?
or we could flip your argument on it's head
And talk about how the Cardinals have better players at skill positions and how Rex has done more with less. As far as citing success stories, I’d rather have a designated caretaker with a clear succession than cross my fingers for the next Matt Cassel
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 25, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
well i think it is well proven that skill positions don't matter near as much as O-line
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by Steve Shoup on Nov 26, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
True enough
If our O-line was healthy I might have conceded the point
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 26, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
One thing's for sure
All my friends and family who follow the Cardinals bitterly regretted the Hightower trade…
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 26, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Grossman needs to be resigned... but.....
he’s NOT the starter. He’s the backup. I want to see the Rookie starting from day 1 next season.
I want Rex to either be our backup, or Dallas, NYG, or Philly’s starter.
Rex would be fine as a fill in and quality backup for the next three-four years, helping our Franchise QB learn the system, run the system, and interact with the coaches.
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
I'd like to have him around as the backup that long as well...
Would actually be ok with the rookiee starting later in the year, but with O-line (hopefully) a priority in the draft, I would like to see whatever our starting unit looks like get several weeks together before we plug in the rookie…
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 24, 2011 8:17 AM EST up reply actions
having a rookie start is just asking for failure
very few are successful, and plenty of others seem to ‘stall’ out in terms of development, and only become good QB’s.
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I am with you on this...
…let’s do this right, rookie should not start a game until at LEAST week 9 or so, and even then you may be pushing it.
by The Agent C 83 on Nov 25, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
there's really no proof of that.
naming examples carries no more weight than listing players who had success starting in their first year, of which there are plenty.
huh??
how do you figure there is no proof? And please feel free to name examples of rookies who started more than 2/3 of their teams games. You won’t find too many successes outside of Manning and Roethlisberger
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by Steve Shoup on Nov 26, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Newton and Dalton right now.
Sam Bradford last year. Eli played 10 games or so as a rookie, same with Josh Freeman. That’s off the top of my head, I am sure there are many more.
Coaches are coaches for a reason
Thy are supposed to be able to put the best product on the field. If it happens to be a rookie QB that gives us the best chance to win, then I say play him. If it’s a tie between the rookie, and the vet, you go with the rookie. If the rookie is just not ready to play yet, go with the vet. This is why the coaches make all that $$$$$, to make decisions like this one. Some people feel, that no matter what, a rookie should wait. Well, thats BS. If the rookie is or best option, he should play. There is no more “protect the rookie mentality”. The mentlity is “win now”. If a rookie is better than the vet, of offers us a better chance, then he plays.
Crying Lion
Yep.
Now of course any clear upgrade of talent (or especially youth and talent) represents a ‘Plan A’ and will trump the ‘Plan B’ or ‘Plan C’ debate with respect to the QB position.
Waiting for waiting’s sake is lunacy. But with the system we run, unless we draft a savant for said system, the caretaker will be a necessity rather than homage to an outdated sentiment
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 24, 2011 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
For the most part, Grossman certainly seems to be the logical choice as the transitional QB and then backup.
My only concern is that he doesn’t really strike me as the mentoring type…either by capability or by choice.
At least I'm not a whiny, little bitch.
Agree.
Not the type to gracefully instruct his successor, but is there a guy like that we can sign? Ugh
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 24, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Mark Brunell needs money.
And he’ll only be 42.
At least I'm not a whiny, little bitch.
by Jim America on Nov 24, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Rex can mentor
He is over 30 and knows he will not be the man anywhere anymore. He can mentor because I think he would want to help a young guy to make sure his career does not end up like his own.
by CommunistKevin on Nov 25, 2011 11:03 AM EST reply actions
Likely Rex still sees himself in prime (coming up on the downslope) of his career
I would like to see him mentor, but I think acting as caretaker is probably the best we could hope for…
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 25, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I see him teaching the ancient art of throwing off one's back foot into triple coverage
Thanks Dragon!!! You are the best teacher ever!
Just say NO! to Rex Grossman.
Better than throwing balls into chests and checking down to the RB with receivers open downfield.
Thanks John Beck!
by The Agent C 83 on Nov 25, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
why is it assumed that anyone who points out Rex's crap is considered pro-Beck?
I never stated I wanted to keep Beck here or mentor anybody, but I DAMN sure do not want Rex to mentor anyone… his Intercepticlorians are much too high.
So you can lay the Beck defense to rest.
Just say NO! to Rex Grossman.
After
Thanks Dragon!!! You are the best teacher ever!
You’re going to be sensitive? The Agent C 83 has been around long enough that you should know he doesn’t fall into the ‘reactionary’ camp
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 25, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
you know what guys?
You have convinced me! Meet the new Dragonite! He should mentor our next QB!
Hell, he should just stay our QB while we trade back and have twenty picks to build up the rest of the team! What the hell was I thinking before! Who cares if he throws more picks than a manchild of a Farve/Cutler romp in the sack!? Screw those Becklovers! Even if I have no other counterargument to anything the Dragon does, it doesn’t matter cuz the haters are all Becklovers!
I am so excited! OH OMG I got so excited I just white dragoned the Dragon!
-see Urban Dict for white dragon.
Just say NO! to Rex Grossman.
You're getting ahead of yourself
He should mentor our next QB!
That’s not the main thrust of this argument, which is projecting our QB next season based on team chemistry, available resources, and temperament of the current coaching staff. If simply talking about the QB position hits a sore point, that just makes you a Washington fan. Franky says, ‘Relax’, it’s pretty much a sore point with all of us.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 26, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
I could care less if it is the crux of the argument or not
I just find humor (and despair) in Rex and even more pity for those who defend him.
Now I am not looking to simply piss on the guy. He actually seems like a cool guy that I would go have a beer with but not the QB of team or any mentor/teacher/Yoda to anyone on it.
Just say NO! to Rex Grossman.
if we start rex next year we will
pick in the top ten in the 2013 draft. which wont be bad if we get a good o-linemen.then start the rookie in 2013 then enjoy about 8 years of playoffs :)
We need a Qb and a corner that can bump and run !! If we had at least one corner that could play bump and run. We would have a top five defense.
Like LJP has been saying " WE NEED PLAY MAKERS"!!! If we had a better Qb, corner and a stud receiver we would be heading to the playoffs. Brandon Marshall would have been a great pick up last year.
Did you just quote yourself?
Irony (n.) -Michael Westbrook as the hero on Bully Beatdown.
by Jim America on Nov 26, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No one gets ripped on quite like the sex cannon
You know he might have a bad case of the ints. But he can move the damn ball downfield. Equivalent qbs of his skill do not have people continuously ripping on him
Just b/c we won does not change my opinion of him
While yes he can move the ball his ‘bad case of the ints’ is not some temporary condition which he will pull out of or work harder at NOT doing.
His int’s are a surety, that is why he gets ripped. What good is it to move the damn ball 60 yards only to throw a crucial red zone int? If he only did it a couple of times I would have no problem…..but wish in one hand………
Rex supporters have amnesia through the week after a game.
He scares me b/c he will have that great game (Week 1 vs NY) then start to go downhill from there for roughly 3-4 weeks, have another great game, then slide for another few weeks.
Just say NO! to Rex Grossman.
I know
that is fine. I defend Rex but only because he gets overly criticized. I am not saying he does not deserve criticism because he does. But when people act like he is a worthless bum it is just not true. Not to mention the whole beck argument
by CommunistKevin on Nov 28, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
and around we go...the Beck argument for what?
Beck sucking does not alleviate Rex sucking. Rex just bothers me b/c he gets you excited and then brings you down HARD. But oh well, he looks like he can hold his liquor so I do like that about him.
Just say NO! to Rex Grossman.
funny how many excuses there are for Rex;s ints
oh that was the receivers fault, so-and-so fell down, wrong route, blah, blah, blah….every qb has that same stuff happen to them, bottomline Rex is a turnover machine. Always has been, always will be.

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