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There's been a lot of talk recently about the possibility of moving 4th overall pick of the 2010 NFL Draft Trent Williams to the right side to play right tackle. Sure, he could play right tackle at an extremely high level (he played there in college) , but this would be a backwards step for the franchise in my opinion. To move Trent to the right side would mean we would have to spend big money on a free agent left tackle (and usually the good ones don't get to free agency) or we would have to draft one. Williams was drafted to play left tackle and he showed on Sunday against the best pass rusher in the league that he can be a dominant left tackle at the highest level.

DeMarcus Ware is and has been for the last few years the best pass rusher in the league. Williams went head to head with Ware and didn't allow a sack (Ware got a sack, but for that play he rushed against Jammal Brown on the right side). Back in September when we last played the Cowboys, I talked about how Trent appeared to struggle with Ware's inside moves. He looked much more poise and ready to deal with whatever Ware threw at him this time round.

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Ware has his hand in the dirt, lined up outside of Williams. 

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Ware rushes to Williams outside shoulder to create a gap between Williams and left guard Tyler Polumbus

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He tries to spin back inside, but Trent stays with him. 

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Trent still has control of the block as Ware comes out of his spin move.

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Williams then takes advantage of Ware having to regain balance after the spin move and get a strong punch into Ware's chest. Rex Grossman gets rid of the ball soon after, with Ware nowhere near him.

With Williams having blocked Ware effectively for nearly a half, the Cowboys move Ware over to the right side to see if he gets any better success there. This matches up defensive end Jason Hatcher with Trent. 

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Ware is circled at the bottom of the screen away from Williams, who has Hatcher lined up across from him. 

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Hatcher attempts a club and swim move (when you club the blockers outside arm and use your other arm in a swimming motion to get past him) He goes to club Williams here, but with no success.

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Williams ends up getting a good punch in, sending Hatcher off balance and away from Grossman. 

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Hatcher comes back with a bull rush, but Williams gets himself low and under his pad level which enables him to withstand the power rush attempt. No troubles here for Trent.

Just before the end of the half, the Cowboys send Ware back to the left side to try his luck against Trent again.

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On this play, Ware nearly manages to get past Williams.

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Ware clubs Williams arm down, not allowing Trent to lay hands on him.

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This means that Ware gets past Williams and gets to the edge. He's nearly ready to make a run at Rex, but Trent recovers to the point that he'll be able to push over the delicately balanced Ware, or at least be able to push him past Grossman as Rex steps up in the pocket. 

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This forces Ware to spin back inside.

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By which point, Rex is ready to throw, and Polumbus is there to help enforce Trent's block. A sign of a great tackle is his ability to recover. Nobody can make every block perfect, you will get beat at some point. But your ability to recover and re-engage with the defender can really help cover any mistakes you make. Trent has the athleticism and ability to recover when he needs to. Here's another example of his ability to recover.

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Trent is up against Ware one on one again.

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Ware takes Williams outside before cutting back inside. He gets ahead of Trent.

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But Trent recovers and gets himself between Ware and Grossman.

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Ware decides to bull rush Williams back, they lock arms and its purely power against power.

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Ware manages to swim out of the block from Williams and goes straight after Rex. But Trent managed to hold the block for long enough, as Grossman gets the pass off before Ware can get there.

One last block to show you, it's another bull rush attempt from Ware.

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Ware is in his two point stance, rather than hand in the dirt.

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They both fight to get their pad level lower than the other. Ware gets his pads slightly lower than Williams and gets the leverage.

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Trent recovers (think I've used that word too much...) again and gets his pad level under Ware's after being pushed back. He starts to put a stop to Ware's bull rush.

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In the end, Rex manages to get the throw off cleanly with roughly a yard of space from Williams and Ware, which is all you need. 

Williams had a great game, one of his best as a pass-protector for the Redskins. His run blocking is his strength, but it's tough to run his way with a seemingly new left guard every week. The only negative I can pick out of this game from Trent was this holding penalty:

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It was the only rush that Ware managed to get fully around the outside of Williams. Trent hooked Ware's shoulder with his arm. I can see why it was called a holding penalty, but when you look at this picture:

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Trent's hand isn't actually holding onto anything, it's just on Ware. Again, I can see why it was called holding, but I'm not so sure that it was. Either way, for this to be the only negative play for Trent when he spent most of the day up against DeMarcus Ware, it's a pretty good game for Trent. If he can go head-to-head with the best pass-rusher in the league and come out of the game having played this well, then he can be a very good left tackle in this league. So can we please stop with the chat about moving him to the right side?

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I dont think there is any doubt

this team needs to draft a QB in the first round and a tackle in the 2nd. Between trent and the 2nd round pick, play the better one at LT (which will prob be trent).

But TW is clearly not playing like the #4 pick and hardly should have any lock on that position. I think we are seeing why he played RT in college. And truthfully, that might be his real position in the NFL.

by les boulez bomber on Nov 23, 2011 9:00 AM EST reply actions  

Redskins just signed Jammal to a big contract.

It wouldn’t surprise me to go WR or Guard in 2nd round.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 23, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

it was not that big a contract

they need another legit tackle. between the two of them, we are lucky if one of them plays…and thrilled if they play well and either make it through the game or doesnt kill us with drive killing fouls

get your point though. but including brown, williams, mont and licht..we need five real linemen across the board

by les boulez bomber on Nov 23, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

thats five more. i am just plain tired of suffering. we just got a tease what this offense can look like when it can protect the QB and have decent QB play.

if his system is so friggin great. then these guys are suppose to be wide open if they run their routes. so fix the line fully. and look for corners, linebackers, running backs, and WR next year.

considering the crap they inherited…this coaching staff DOES NOT get a pass if the line is not fully fixed after three drafts and off seasons

by les boulez bomber on Nov 23, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Brown has been bad

8 sacks, 4 penalties in 9 games. Wouldn’t be a surprise at all to see him replaced. I’d draft a RT and RG and put Chester and Brown on the bench.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 23, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Phil Loadholt was Oklahoma's LT when TW was playing RT. TW played LT as a senior. Loadholt has played

RT for the Vikings since his rookie season, is bigger than TW, but not as fast or athletic. Ware complemented TW in his rookie season, but TW has managed to get ankle injuries in both season with the Skins. There are few tackles in the NFL with Williams speed. It will take more consistency in his play for the fans to be satisfied with him at LT. It will take “bookend” tackles for this fan base to be happy.

by Jefferson1935 on Nov 23, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Great write-up

and I agree with the conclusion. It’s only Trent’s 2nd year and he’s already improved considerably from last. He’s been much more reliable than Okung in my opinion who if I recall was the only other top LT prospect in the 2010 draft.

by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 23, 2011 9:02 AM EST reply actions  

Okung was not the only top prospect

but he was the only one in real competition for the #4 pick. The lesser hyped ones who went later in the first and early second round have played solid.

And we will know about Okung when we play them soon. All I know is Marshawn Lynch is running well and they have Tavaris Jackson as their QB who stinks and no real receivers.

In the big picture, I like TW and consider him a core building block. He just hasnt been all that. For his draft position, he should be better. But he is clearly the best lineman we have.

Great writeup! thanks

by les boulez bomber on Nov 23, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess I'm just not sure what you mean by "playing better"

he wasn’t going to be Chris Samuels in his prime from day 1 and I think he’s steadily improved. If he keeps improving and stays with us for a long time I think he’ll have been worth the #4 pick.

by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 23, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly we had one other option and that was Russell, I say we only had one option because

well look at our line. We made a good choice

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by jbh1190 on Nov 23, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

how has Trent been more reliable?

Neither have looked like stars, but Okung is now the healtier of the two as he has only missed a single snap this year.

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by Steve Shoup on Nov 23, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

My opinion

is that Trent is the stronger run blocker and even though he’s been a bit more beat-up this year faces way tougher competition on a regular basis than Okung yet still recovers quick even when he has been hurt. NFC East defenses are a totally different animal than NFC West and TW has played solidly, even if not on an elite level. After Okung’s injuries last season I’m not sure how well he holds up playing teams like the Giants twice a year.

Granted I think it’s somewhat difficult to do an in-depth head on head comparison when both are on teams with o-lines in shambles. It makes it way more difficult when they’re playing with new people every week.

by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 23, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

i get some of that

and neither has been great, but Okung played really well down the stretch last year and in the playoffs. And while I agree they are different levels of competition, I think with the 49ers resurgence that gap is shrinking. Also due to injury (not his theirs) Trent missed out facing Trent Cole and Osi, so that also levels the playing field.

It is hard to judge given their situations, but at best I’d say it’s even right now between them.

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by Steve Shoup on Nov 23, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

the penalties are troubling

but i do love his nastiness, gives the o-line some attitude, the more he matures the less penalties he’ll have

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by atark001 on Nov 23, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah me too ... and I think so too

we have enough places that need upgrading that this should be a relatively short discussion. it is one reason I like to grab linemen in the early rounds…because even if they bust at their initial position, they can usually play real well at another.

compare that to orakpo…whom i like a lot. and he has played well for us…but he is really a 4-3 DE for sure. it is wasting his talents to drop him in pass coverage for 50% of his snaps like we just did

by les boulez bomber on Nov 23, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I like having an asshole on the line too

one thing the team needs more of is big scary guys on the line. As long as they don’t go all Richie Incognito I’m cool with it.

by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 23, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

hate that guy
Richie Incognito

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by jbh1190 on Nov 23, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

This post is literally insult to injury

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by Parks Smith on Nov 23, 2011 9:04 AM EST reply actions  

Anyone else notice the Cowboys are getting kind of old?

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by Parks Smith on Nov 23, 2011 9:07 AM EST reply actions  

why do you say that?

unless you mean old in tired of hearing about them…felt that way for 15 years lol … more so now since they have stunk forever

by les boulez bomber on Nov 23, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

No I mean old as in age.

Pretty much all their core players will be 30+ next year. I feel like their RBs are a dime a dozen, they don’t scare me. Dex is legit, but I’ve always thought Austin is a bit of a farce.

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by Parks Smith on Nov 23, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I've seen the same thing, Redskins are down...way down (hopefully coming up), but everyone else in our Division is starting their decline.

Hopefully this means we own our Division for 10 years.

Hopefully longer the good teams never are content with a player, they get all their pieces contend for a superbowl and during the time they were building they had pieces to replace old players they are constantly turning over their roster. Hopefully we can do this. Not now though because we seriously lack talent, we need to keep Cooley even if it is to back up Davis although he needs to restructure his contract. And so on with other playmakers….oh wait

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by jbh1190 on Nov 23, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks UK, I think I asked for you to do this

I noticed during the game I was like damn we haven’t given Ware a sack all day…well he then got past Brown. But I was very impressed with TW. I was pleased to see his recovery when Ware got lower than him too. However is it just me or does he stand up to much on pass plays?

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by jbh1190 on Nov 23, 2011 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

Did you say it out loud? If so I'm blaming you.
I noticed during the game I was like damn we haven’t given Ware a sack all day…well he then got past Brown.

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by Parks Smith on Nov 23, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

No I watch games alone, the lady is a Steelers fan. Her Dad is a Giants, my dad a ravens, all my friends Ravens.

The only person I have to watch a game with is my mom…who is annoying so I make her stay home. So to answer you question no it was in my head.

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by jbh1190 on Nov 23, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

damn

The Beat Box aka skins secondary.

by Al_CaPWNED on Nov 23, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Well I did have a best friend in HS who is a Redskins fan

Sadly I can’t invite him over because he’s into heavy drugs and would steal everything of mine to pay for them.

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by jbh1190 on Nov 23, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

it's not just you

Williams gets lazy at times with his technique

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by Steve Shoup on Nov 23, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought he beat that lazy bug this offseason?

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by jbh1190 on Nov 23, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

btw

is he out this week?

this isn’t the first time he’s been injured on the last play / drive of a game.

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by jbh1190 on Nov 23, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I read they are hopeful he can go

but that could be asking alot

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by Steve Shoup on Nov 23, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd be surprised if the risked him.

Any sort of MCL injury isn’t worth risking, unless a playoff spot/super bowl is on the line. That’s clearly not the case here, so I don’t see a point in risking further injury.

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by UkRedskin on Nov 23, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the breakdown

Looks like all of our o-line did a great job in the examples above

by travisjh86 on Nov 23, 2011 10:43 AM EST reply actions  

I know this is a Trent Williams breakdown

but how did Tyler polumbus look? I didn’t notice him to much and I guess that could be a good or bad thing

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by believe_the_curse on Nov 23, 2011 11:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

He was responsible for one sack

and he was understandably out of sync in the run game. Wasn’t his best game, lets put it that way.

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by UkRedskin on Nov 23, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Hard to judge on one appearance, having only been signed a week before being thrown in.

But I can say I highly doubt he’ll be any sort of long term starter, otherwise he wouldn’t have been a free agent.

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by UkRedskin on Nov 23, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

He looked tall...

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by Parks Smith on Nov 23, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Haha I usually love huge mammoth line men like him but I don’t think he fits the scheme

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by believe_the_curse on Nov 23, 2011 12:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

On that penalty call

after the play I got up and is looking at Ware. Williams appears to ask him about the call, and Ware appeared to basically say “I don’t know”. I think that was a case of it looking like holding when it wasn’t.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 23, 2011 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

Do this post for the 1st Skins vs. Boys game.....

and you will come to a different conclusion. I am in the move TW to RT camp right now. He has been too inconsistent which is why I say break down the first game against the boys! I don’t care how it works out…but if we are hoping to draft a franchise QB….we need someone consistent at LT. TW does have these great teaser games….but what about the other half of the games when he looks below avg and takes stupid penalties? I would love for TW (and I hope he does) to take that turn between now and the start of next season into a Top LT, but we ca’t base all of our future on hopes and dreams. If the right situation comes along and we are able to pick up a good LT….are you okay with the move if it means we aren’t giving up picks or skipping on a 1st round QB?

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by shvd98z24 on Nov 23, 2011 2:10 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I did a post on Trent after the first Cowboys game.

I forgot to link it, but it was Trent’s best game of the season at that point. He struggled with a few inside moves early on, but got better as the game progressed.

I’d be ok with the move to RT if we managed to bring in a LT who is significantly better at LT than Trent, who is young enough that we have him for his prime, wouldn’t cost us a chance at a 1st round QB and wouldn’t cost us too many draft choices. So for example, if Joe Thomas, Jake Long or Ryan Clady became available for a 2nd round pick or were free agents, then yes, I’d move Trent to the right side.

What I wouldn’t want is for us to give up a shot at a franchise QB with our 1st round pick, splashing money on a FA tackle that is at the end of his prime and starting to decline (see Jammal Brown), or trade away a future 1st/2nd/3rd for one.

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by UkRedskin on Nov 23, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention the salary cap

Williams counts over $13 million on the salary cap next year. You want to pay that kind of money to him and pay starting LT money to another guy?

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 23, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't look at it like that.....

his salary shouldn’t matter when it comes to making decisions on who plays and where? Do you want your 1st round QB shell-shocked after 6 games because your 13.5 million LT isn’t getting it done….or do you want him to be starting to get it while his 13.5 million dollar RT plays at a pro-bowl caliber? I want TW to thrive….and I would prefer it be at LT……but I need to see consistency. Just because he plays inspired and smart football for 8 games….those other 8 he could be getting your QB killed or taking stupid penalties and that’s assuming he plays all 16!

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by shvd98z24 on Nov 23, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Two things

TW has given up 2.5 sacks this season, almost identical rate to Chris Samuels career rate. He isn’t getting the QB killed.

Second, teams absolutely have to factor in the salary cap when making roster decisions. They have to budget amounts for different postions, and tying up too much salary cap in any one area leaves other areas deficient. See: 2011 eagles and all the cap money they invested in the corner position.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 23, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Trent had a great game Sunday, credit it where it’s due.

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