Gary Clark: "If Coaches don't allow you to tweak their system, than they're a bad coach"
Redskins Wide Receiver great, Gary Clark, joined Brian Mitchell and Scott Jackson on 106.7 THE FAN Saturday morning to talk Dallas. Gary had some great insight on how OLine problems affect how far wide receivers run their routes, which has been a big gripe of mine (for example the 3rd down marker is 9 yards away and our WRs run 7 yard hooks/slants. Punt.). Anyway, Clark and BMitch then got onto the topic of the importance for players to be able to tweak a coach's system, which certainly does not seem to be the case with Shanahan if you listen to Jake Plummer or DeAngelo Hall on Haslett, or Carlos Rogers looking back.
Gary Clark: I don't blame coaches for anything. Well, I blame the coaches for this. When you pick players who aren't willing to tweak your system, us as players, we just no more than coaches in terms of playing our position. The best thing about Joe Gibbs is he was a great strategist that allowed us to tweak his system when it needed to be tweaked. Joe Gibbs is a great head coach, the best head coach I ever got to play with, but Joe never played Receiver, or Punt Returner, or Running Back, or Quarterback. So he had to rely on these individuals who have been playing these positions pretty much their whole life to tweak something when it needed to be tweaked. And have the confidence to go, "OK, Joe, I'm running a scram 7 and I'm suppose to run a corner route but I know I've been giving the guy a 3-step post move, and he keeps going to the corner, they've been game planning us!" They watch film too. So, it's up to me to be like, "I'm not going to run to get covered." So, I'm going to run something else to adapt to this system. I'm going to run a corner hook when he thinks I'm going to the corner, but I'm going to slide back down.
I did it one time in the Championship game, so that's really not the right time to be wrong. (laughing). But you got to have the confidence to be like, "You know what, I'm right, and this is gonna work out." If I am wrong, I'll have to take the punishment that comes along with it, but you got to have a coach that is willing to let you tweak their system. If they don't allow you to tweak their system, than they're a bad coach because we're the true football players.
BMitch: That's what I think is the problem with the Skins. They have a system that they feel is full-proof...
I haven't seen a system that is full proof. I've never seen a great coach without great players...This coaching staff seems to be "this is our way, this is the way it's going to be done, you're not going to do anything else." I think by not giving the players leeway, a lot of these players are playing scared to make a mistake, which in turn, that's all you're going to do.
Gary Clark: Yea. A lot of time players are scared to make that adjustment because if they're doing exactly what is told of them, if something doesn't work, then you say, "Well, I ran the route you told me to. I blocked it the way you told me to block it. So, you can't really punish me for it."
I think there's a lot of validity to the points BMitch and Clark are saying here. The Redskins offense has been horrible for 4+ years now, and one thing is clear, it doesn't appear Redskins QBs have the green light to audible on the fly. Time after time vs the Cowboys last week, the Redskins offense would break their huddle with 9 seconds left on the play clock. That doesn't leave any wiggle room to call off a play, make adjustments, or do hard counts. The Skins of course had a good game offensively, even though their first five drives they were unable to get a first down.
FYI - Here's the positions our Head Coaches have played:
Kyle Shanahan: WR at University of Texas (34 games, 1 start)
Mike Shanahan: Quarterback (High School & E. Illinois Univ)
Jim Haslett: 8 years NFL at RILB and LILB
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That's why the Shanny's hated Mcnabb, he did his own things pretty often
and it’s why they like Rex, he basically tries to do what they want 100% of the time. They want to play the game vicariously through the qb, I think Zorn was the same way he never stopped whispering in Campbell’s ear about this or that. At some point you have to let the players play, no system trumps playing guys to their strengths
Funny, Grossman's reputation in Chicago was as a guy who wouldn't stick to the program
Bears fans used to laugh/cry about Grossman’s “f@ck, it, I’m going deep” attitude.
Uh...100% of the time?
I dunno about that. I’m highly doubt Mike and Kyle called for every one of those interceptions.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
That and mcnabb thought receivers were 10 yards farther away than they were or they were underground
that all may be true but the real problem with mcnabb
is that he is inconsistently accurate at anything other than a bomb. and the long delivery nature of the long pass gave his receivers time to make adjustments so he wasnt too bad on that throw.
by les boulez bomber on Nov 23, 2011 4:38 AM EST up reply actions
But did Elway have wiggle room?
I can’t believe he didn’t. What about Shannon Sharpe? Or Terrell Davis? If a player is good enough and the coaches trust him then I’m sure there is some wiggle room.
Of course Gary Clark had wiggle room. He was an amazing player and played at an extremely high level. Do we have players like that? Not sure how much wiggle room you can give on D. They have asignments and if Fletch says I think I’m going to rush the passer instead of covering my zone in the middle of the field we’re screwed.
Do we have offensive players that are good enough for wiggle room? Maybe Moss. I don’t want Rex winging it a bunch in games. That thought scares the shit out of me.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
Elway was allowed wiggle room
Elway made suggestions for plays that would fit his strengths and Shanahan implemented them. This was before Shanahan was a stubborn, arrogant old man, of course.
by TheDeepBall on Nov 23, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
elway absolutely had wiggle room. the play did not start until the pocket collapsed and he free lanced
especially in the 4th Qtr and trailing…which is why he is up there among the lead leaders all time in 4Q comebacks!
by les boulez bomber on Nov 23, 2011 4:39 AM EST up reply actions
Kyle Orton was just waived, pick him up, get him in the system.
Why draft a QB?
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are you joking again?
I could never tell. I looked and haven’t seen anything stating he was waived.
Complete joke on signing him, but he's been waived for sure
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I missed the broadcast...
so I hope I am not misinterpeting what Gary was saying. Gary was a veteran WR, along with the whole team (veteran) and Joe was a great coach, who treated them like men.
Stating the obvious, that is not what we have here. This is a team in massive turnover, especially with young players from this last draft. The system needs to be established and, once that is accomplished, then, I’m sure there is a little leeway. No one can tell me that Elway had no wiggle-room. I’m confident that Shanahan is not that way. Even if he is, there have been great coaches who were like military commanders (Parcells, Belechik, Coughlin come to mind).
by jgibbsfan1 on Nov 22, 2011 4:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
and that makes sense.
I’m going to an event Cooley will be at next week, I’ll ask him.
"Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first make sure that you’re not, in fact, surrounded by assholes." - William Gibson
by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 22, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I swear this is what I said above. Maybe I'm wrong.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 22, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with GC
But isn’t this pretty much what Lavar got lambasted for here? Other than the B.S. about not
Being able to “understand the scheme”, they complained about him mavericking. Now, maybe he did it a little too much, but his argument was similar to Gary’s.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
GC touched on it...
you pay the price when you are wrong…and LaVar was wrong alot and missed his assignment. I think there is more leeway on offense because you are attacking.
by les boulez bomber on Nov 23, 2011 4:42 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
Lavar was out of position a lot. And I don’t want to spend too much time defending him. But there were also PLENTY of plays that he made that haven’t been made since he left. I think Kerrigan has it in him to make those plays, and with more discipline. But I also think the good stuff Lavar did tends to get overlooked, because of the way things ended. Great players (and I don’t know if I’m ready to argue that Lavar was ever “great”) take risks all the time. That’s kinda what separates them. Brett Favre has more passing records than anyone, including passing to the other team. Barry Sanders was, in my opinion, the most talented RB to ever play, and would’ve far eclipsed anything Emmitt did had he played as long, or ever played for a better team. But he also had more negative yardage runs than anyone. Sometimes you take he food with the bad.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
The Redskins remind me of...
a fine german automobile…their system is so meticulously put together that it can be compared to the ultimate experience. And it is when it is working…But all that precision breaks down because the world is not perfect, offers a meh experience and is expensive to repair
by les boulez bomber on Nov 23, 2011 8:47 AM EST reply actions
this came to me after test driving the new 3 series BMW’s recently…after hearing all about the attention to detail and other high precision custom features and feeling that crisp handling firsthand, I mentioned that the 328 needed some more punch. There is a delay that will not let me get the car out of its way if I needed to. So the salesman said, then the 335 is for you. So we test drove that car…turbo, intercooled…fun…and I asked about the reliability…and he said, stick with the 328 lol
by les boulez bomber on Nov 23, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
The old BMW's
Were great. I wouldn’t touch the new models with a 10 foot pole. My buddy bought a brand new M3 a few years ago. He went on vacation for two weeks, came back, and it won’t start. Flatbed to the dealer, and they tell him you have to start these once a week because of all the computers. I’m sorry, if I pay $50k + for a car, that thing should be able to sit for two weeks. The next month, he took it home to PA to do what he got it for – open it up. Hit 150, threw a rod. New engine needed after 4 months. Dealer tells him “you’re not supposed to drive it that fast”. Sorry, if the a speedo goes that high, so should the car. A week after he got it back, WITH the brand new engine, the on board computer malfunctioned. He turned it in as a lemon, bought a Tahoe.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

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