Jake Plummer: "Mike Shanahan isn't the special coach we thought he was"
by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 21, 2011 1:04 PM EST
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Officially put me in the boat that I want to see another year with Shanahan Squared. I think 99% of the fan base is in agreement with me, but at the same time, it's clear that with this coaching staff, "It's my way or the highway." (Arguably the worst cliche in the history of the English language). We saw this first hand when the Redskins converted to the 3-4 and put several star players in positions they've never played before (Haynesworth, Andre Carter, arguably Orakpo, etc).
According to Jake Plummer, the same goes for the offense:
Hey, I was lucky to get the opportunity to play for [Mike] Shanahan. He helped turn my career around and gave me a chance to show that I was a winner regardless of how things went down.
His style is just what it is. I think we are seeing he isn't the special coach we thought he was. He's a great coach, but he's not like some of those guys that will take a player...Coach [John] Fox man look at what he is doing. You think he is going to force Tebow to throw 30 times a game? No. They are going to try to win with what he can do and it is kind of fun to see since they are bucking the system in the NFL. They are running the option. Are you kidding me?"
For the record Part I: This time last year Plummer said, "Shanahan is still searching for the next John Elway."
For the record Part II: After Plummer made it to the AFC Championship game, Shanahan traded up in the draft to pick Cutler, who he later started mid-season for a benched Plummer.
My question to Plummer, "OK, so what are Grossman's strengths and how do you play to them?"
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The way you play to Grossman's strengths
punt on third down.
If he can’t get it done on first and second, why is third going to be any better.
Something I just thought about...
Grossman is a much more graceful QB taking a sack. Remember how hard Campbell would get popped on every throw? I don’t know if it was stupidity or bravery (prob a little of both), but like Eli Manning, Grossman never has to get scraped up off the ground. Maybe once or twice this year a slow standup, but the Redskins offense is tied for 5th most sacks with 30…not to mention the QB hits.
"Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first make sure that you’re not, in fact, surrounded by assholes." - William Gibson
I wonder if that has more to do with JCs body type?
6’5 and lean/wiry versus 6’0 and thick
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Probably more b/c of his 6.4 second release.
"Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first make sure that you’re not, in fact, surrounded by assholes." - William Gibson
by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 21, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Kevin you put the decimal in the wrong place again "64.0 second release" is what you meant to say
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by Steve Shoup on Nov 21, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No Jason Campbell would be an All Pro if Shanny stuck with him. Fire Shanny!!!
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I figured I’d get it in before someone else did.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 21, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
honestly I liked Campbell
and keeping him and the picks was my choice over the miserable McNabb trade, but boy did he hold on to that ball though.
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Campbell was terrible. Held on to the ball way to long, threw the ball way to high and was terribly inaccurate with the long ball. Oh yeah and his short “touch” was horrible.
When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.
by Jeff Bernard on Nov 21, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Campbell has a career 60% comp and 82 qb rating
Rex is 55% and 70 qb rating
JC was nothing special but he was much better than Rex, Beck, or old Mcdirtball
by DCrez on Nov 21, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Campbell also had happy feet
I think I saw three plays the whole time he was here where he looked comfortable in the pocket. I know part of it was the Oline at times but still.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 21, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
LETJASONPASS
"Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first make sure that you’re not, in fact, surrounded by assholes." - William Gibson
by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 21, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
he's also pretty decent (not saying he's great in this department, just better than the average QB)
at feeling the pressure and getting rid of it. Now sometimes it ends up a pick, and a lot of times incomplete, but he’s a big reason why we haven’t already given up 50 sacks this year.
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He did a lot better job of stepping up yesterday
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even this year he's avoided sacks (not always stepping up, which is why it usually hadn't been too accurate)
but the Redskins were among the league leaders in pressures while he was under center, but only middle of the pack in sacks (that obviously changed once Beck’s ‘mobility’ took over)
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Haha
Funny how that happened, huh?
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
yeah not to mention Beck's awesome ball security
Grossman might be prone to fumble, but I’ve never seen him force himself to fumble, yet I saw Beck do that twice.
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I am not
ashamednot ashamed to admit that I was clamoring for Beck. But not because of any sort of faith in Beck, just because I already knew what Rex gave us. Well, now I know what Beck gives us. And I don’t want anymore of it. While Grossman might be a train waiting to jump the tracks, Beck is scooter with a loose wheel.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
and honestly i'm glad Beck got a shot, if for no other reason than to cover all the bases
I just couldn’t believe all the “Beck is mobile” and “Beck has a better arm” arguments. Beck deserved a shot at sometime, but the best he was going to be was our stopgap until a young QB takes over. I’m glad they figured out he’s not that.
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by Steve Shoup on Nov 22, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
well, I was
One of those banging the “better arm” drum. But I was just going off of preseason interviews I’d heard with Cooley and Armstrong. I still don’t doubt he has the liver arm, but I also know it doesn’t matter because he is far from accurate, and doesn’t even look downfield anyway. As for him being more mobile, that’s evident. Unfortunately it does him No good because he can’t read pressure anyway. And now that we know that Rex can run it in, the point is moot.
Regardless of any if that though, I have always been clear that I have zero interest in either of these guys being our "long-term solution ". I found it funny how some people were jumping all over me for criticizing Beck, calling me a “Rex lover”. Anyone that’s bothered to pay attention to anything I say knows that’s not true. But, in my opinion, disliking one doesn’t preclude you from disliking the other. I don’t like Rex. Turns out I like Beck even less. I personally don’t think he even belongs in the league.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Nov 22, 2011 1:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
great snowjob by the Shanny's
Kyle was jumping up and down on the table for houston to draft Beck 10th?? A lot of times you have to hope that Shanny’s just lie through their teeth at all times, far better than the alternative that they actually believed Beck could play.
Personally I think they were selling the fans a known load of bullshit (arm, accuracy, mobility) because you cant go into the season telling everyone we’re doomed….but there is also an element of extreme arrogance where Mike/Kyle think that ANY qb who just follows their vaunted system can succeed. The real reason they hated Mcdirt is because he probably did his own thing on 40% of the plays, and the real reason they like Rex is because his goal is to “do what Kyle says” 100% of the time. Rex knows who butters his bread.
kinda off topic but locker is so fast. I watched him play last night crap he's quick.
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
by jbh1190 on Nov 21, 2011 2:34 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yea, I wonder if Shanny wanted him
Because if he did, was just thinking that no one would pick him before 10?
he didn't look awful he had a few drops but that happens
When you try to throw the ball harder than Brett Favre in his prime I mean seriously he winged that ball crazy hard every time. He’ll need tommy johns surgery if he keeps doing that.
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
by jbh1190 on Nov 21, 2011 2:48 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
You don't see rex getting up from hard hits as much
because his fat @ss bounces
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
by Al_CaPWNED on Nov 21, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Shanahan didn't inherit Grossman
so it can’t be compared to Fox and Tebow. Despite Grossmans drawbacks he fits the system.
I'd love to have him for a back up here, no joke.
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He did inherit Campbell though.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 21, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
But Zorn tried Campbell out in the west coast
and it wasn’t Campbells strength. Shanahan likes those quick release qbs
by hambonejackson on Nov 21, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
But Zorn tried Campbell out in the west coast.
I remember when I got to spend an hour with Devin Thomas, he said Shanahan called him into his office and was like, “Did you really run these plays?!!!”
DT elaborated that Shanahan was laughing how Zorn NEVER changed the WRs positions. Santana was ALWAYS split to the left and there was very little variation in what was run. So, Campbell ran a predictable kiddie coast offense. JC didnt get a fair shake here.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 21, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I just think Campbell was emotionally broken here, I don't see how we could of kept him
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Grossman's strength is double quarter pounders with cheese
He’s a good back up. That is the problem. Good backups are even across the board. No one real strength. Everyone agrees that Tebow can run the ball.
Love Plummer. Lived in AZ when he was at ASU with Tillman. He’s bitter towards Shanny but Shanny did alright by the guy. he took him out of a lousy situation with the Cards and made him a winner. Cutler was better then him and it was only a matter of time. Plummer lost his mojo, it’s why he retired after that season instead of going somewhere else.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
Yeah its hard to take Plummer seriously when you know how he feels about Shanahan. What’s he going to say.
When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.
by Jeff Bernard on Nov 21, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
A little late to the party but
I read a lot of Redskins fans here talking about rebuilding, and I think you rebuilt and were darn good to start the season, a good running team, a great defensive team.
Rex made some really amazing throws yesterday but with a high draft pick you have to take one of the elite QB’s coming out of the draft, It’s going to be a deep draft with interior linemen and you should easily be able to ret a good player in the mid rounds, Wham just like that your deeper.
In my humble opinion if healthy the Redskins are a good team and a consistant QB and depth away from being a great football team, In todays NFL the QB is a little tricky but Shanny is the right coach to bring a young QB along,
Hightower, Cooley, Willaims, Moss and Hightower ? Name one nfl team that loses its starting RB, starting all pro TE, starting LT, starting number one WR and deep threat that changes the complexity of the defenses you face, and your starting RB that would not implode? If healthy you guys are every bit as good as Dallas who will probably win the East this year and you already spanked the Giants with both teams healthy.
In my opinion you guys had arrived, and getting derailed by injuries sucks for you but it also puts you in a position to become a dominate superbowl contender if you draft wisely this year,
It seems this draft falls right into your needs too, Deep Qb draft with 3 or 4 elite prospects, really deep interior line drat going maybe through the 4th round with good prospects, two needs that will be easy to fill.
Something that gets overlooked or just not mentioned is Romo, Vick, and Eli are all around 32 or 33 and that is about when a normal QB starts to slow down, The Redskins in three years will be the only team with a seqsoned veteran QB and all three divison rivals will most likely be looking for solutins,
If I were a Redskins fan I think I would be excited abut the teams prospects next year, I’m not I’m a Cowboys fan so I’ll just say I think I see what is coming and it looks like a repeat of the decade where Donovan McNabb and the Eagles just swept through the division every year,
Cowboys win this year, but I must admitt I think changes are coming soon,
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