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This is my first post and I will preface it with the following: I have been a regular viewer on this site for the past year, and I am usually grateful to the creators and contributors who provide such valuable insight on the Washington Redskins.

 

But I was disappointed yesterday while reading the Second Half Thread for the Redskins-Cowboys game....a simple message follows after the jump.

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My message is this: The Redskins fan base is generally known as one of the most savvy and knowledgeable groups of fans in the NFL, and I do not want to see that reputation altered.  Yesterday's Second Half Thread contained some of the most terrible, offensive, whiny, superstitious, and idiotic comments that I have read on this site.

Perhaps this was simply the nature of the thread, in the heat of battle against our most hated division rival.  Examples included the following:

1. Calling Jim Haslett a f*ggot

-- Senseless, no other word for it

2. "They are holding our linemen on EVERY play!"

-- Holding happens on EVERY play in the NFL.  Sometimes it gets seen, sometimes not.  The Redskins are not some special case.  Elite pass rushers fight through holds and disrupt the QB.

3. "We're snake-bitten" "Why do we ALWAYS lose like this???"

-- NFL teams lose every week, most of them by 3 points or less late in the game.  Snake-bitten, really? Curses...really?

4. Fire Jim Haslett!  Why did they call a huge blitz again and let Dez Bryant get open?

-- Haslett faked a zero blitz and then double covered Dez with OJ and DHall.  Romo made a great play out of the pocket and delivered a nice pass.  Sometimes its about what the other team did, not what the Redskins did or did not do.

5. "UGH, Tony Romo ALWAYS makes plays against us!"

-- He's a good QB, and one of the most athletic in the league.  He makes plays against everyone.

6. When AA dropped a ball in the 4th quarter: "That's it, game over, way to go Skins"

-- Really?  We came back the next play and got a first down and then tied the game with a TD to Stallworth.

7. "UGH!" "F*CK!" "We're Terrible!" "AHHHHHHHHHHH" 'ASRJKAHSKRHR" - statements after every single unsuccessful play from scrimmage.

-- Every down isn't the end of the world...even Aaron Rodgers throws incompletions.  Your whining and crying simply makes you a negative, morale-killing, nancy.

***These are just several off the top of my head that I remember.  Now, I realize that everyone hates seeing the Redskins lose, especially to Dallas, and that, in the heat of the moment, on a website, you might be liable to write whatever pops into your head at the time.

But if any of you espouse such ideas in public while watching games with friends, talking with co-workers during the week, etc., you are 1) Making yourself look bad and 2) Altering the reputation of our fan base so that outsiders think we are uneducated on football, hateful, irrational, offensive, and overall terrible fans.

 

Tighten up, HAIL

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Great post, rec'd.

It’s certainly hard to stay patient when we’ve lost as bad as we have the last 10 years. Gibbs gave us optimism our franchise was getting restored when in fact, it went to the lowest it’s ever been after his retirement. Skins have had a lot of bad losses this season, so we all do the, “Yep…here comes the interception…or here comes the Romo to Witten for 30 yards” to prepare ourselves for the worst…I certainly do it in my head.

"Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first make sure that you’re not, in fact, surrounded by assholes." - William Gibson

by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 21, 2011 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

I'm hoping the comments listed above represent a very small % of the fanbase.

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by Parks Smith on Nov 21, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe the

ASRJKAHSKRHR comment was mine. And I refuse to apologize for it. I went from being Jack Daniels happy, to Jack Daniels pissed. I try to save ol’ Jack for special occasions, and Rex’s Randall-like scramble told me this occasion was pretty special.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Nov 21, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome post!

It’s one thing to be negative, i.e. “Ryan Torain will rush for negative yards on this play”, or “Jamaal Brown is going to blow an assignment this play”, but I look at those comments as just likely outcomes.

I don’t get the whole Jim Haslett hatred since or defense is overall playing really well, and he’s a big part of that I believe. I also don’t get the whole blaming the refs thing either. That is just an excuse, and not a really good one since the Cowboys I think were called for more penalties than we were.

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by Steve Shoup on Nov 21, 2011 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I completely agree and was right there with you in the thread for the most part.

However, I will not apologize for saying ’ASRJKAHSKRHR".

Unfortunately, our fans have the unenviable combination of entitlement after having watched one of the truly great franchises play at an elite level for years and frustration with having become e cellar dweller in our division for the better part of two decades.

I understand the urge to bitch and moan, calling for complete change every time something goes wrong. However, isn’t that exactly what we have all hated about Snyder’s reign over the front office? Hasn’t the lack of continuity been a leading factor in our inability to right the ship? The quick fix doesn’t work in the NFL…see Philadelphia Eagles.

 After years of reactionary, bold moves, the Washington Redskins have finally decided to build a team the right way. We’ve had one offseason of the correct strategy in my opinion. We probably need two more in order to transform into a perennial playoff contender. Be patient…respect effort…learn about the young bucks…root for your team to progress and understand how to win as a team.

At least I'm not a whiny, little bitch.

by Jim America on Nov 21, 2011 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

On the flip side.

I highly recommend reading the thread to those who haven’t…seeing that Dallas troll (Michellé) get repeatedly owned is definitely worth it.

At least I'm not a whiny, little bitch.

by Jim America on Nov 21, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, that was yours?

I know I had a rant somewhat similar. Mine was somewhat drunken though, and those are the ones I tend to forget.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Nov 21, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I admit to complaining about DHall

I kept wondering if he forgot that a CB actually covers WRs.

I don’t understand the hate for Has and Shanny Jr. I thought they called excellent games yesterday.

I also complained on two holds that weren’t called. They were two that would have changed the course of plays and should have been called.

I also admit to saying the Refs had it out for us and called some weak shit. But even the announcers commented on that at least two or three times.

I am passionate about the Skins (especially during Dallas week) and apologize if anything I said offended anyone. I love this team to my core and will be buried in a burgundy and gold coffin some day. Even though my wife says no. I would never call anyone f@ggot or anything of that nature but if I said anything in the heat of the moment I do sincerly apologize.

Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.

by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 21, 2011 1:50 PM EST reply actions  

rebuilding is tough

it’s tough, but we’re doing it. that’s the bright side. i’m kind of getting numb to the losing part(guess it’s my growing process). i thought they played a great game yesterday. at this point i can take losing, as long as there’s effort and commitment behind it. being a fan is rough. especially as a redskins fan. one of my giant’s friends texted me a few weeks ago and said……."yall started off 3-1 now look……yall right at the bottom where you’ve alway’s been for the last couple of years. so i said…….we’re injured and in a rebuilding process, we’ll be in it next year. and he said……..you redskins fans say the same thing every year. so while i’ll agree that some of the comments and the thought process can go overboard at times….but at the end of the day, it’s tough being a redskins fan!

by alleykatt1000 on Nov 21, 2011 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

At this point, I enjoy the game either way.

If they win, great!

If they lose, I look at the silver lining. They are now in position for 5th overall in the draft. There is a good chance that both Carolina and Minnesota win another game, and Washington ends up in the 2 or 3 position. Not rooting to lose, but they aren’t going to the super bowl, so focus on the positives.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 21, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Its a gamethread...guys are just reacting to what they just saw and THATS IT

Its like that on any football thread even college…dont take it too serious. Its all just frustration. ‘’Now, I realize that everyone hates seeing the Redskins lose, especially to Dallas, and that, in the heat of the moment, on a website, you might be liable to write whatever pops into your head at the time.’’ Thats all it is buddy, you hit the nail on the head…

Mmmmm Mmmmm Bitch!! - Dave Chappelle

Im that one guy that did that one thing at that one place that one time...

by Asmaki on Nov 21, 2011 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

Okay Chief

But my point is: it still looks and sounds terrible, and I would hope and expect that our fans would be better than that.

Any outsider reading that thread yesterday would have said, "Wow, Redskins fans are ignorant, irrational, and clue-less fans.

Not trying to overreact, just hoping for better

by StephanHart on Nov 21, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I resemble this...In all seriousness...Good post and I agree with you.
Redskins fans are ignorant, irrational, and clue-less fans

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by Diesel44 on Nov 21, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Fans deserve to be pissed when their team isn't performing well on the field.... but

Using homosexual slurs, referring to comment #1 shouldn’t happen on this site we are better as a fan base than that. I would hope none of our fans would want the fan base to be viewed in an ignorant and inappropriate light.

by alwaysremember21 on Nov 21, 2011 4:46 PM EST reply actions  

I understand what you're saying

But I think you have to take it in context. I have been a Redskins fan my whole life, and watching them for at least thirty years. I have watched games with many different people. One thing I have never seen is a real fan NOT get upset when things are going bad. It’s called passion. And it’s not just Redskins fans. All fans act this way.
The difference here is that what’s said during the game is not as easily forgotten, because it’s on an internet thread and not part of a living room rant at my grandmothers house while watching us get blown out by the Giants in the NFC title game.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Nov 21, 2011 7:00 PM EST reply actions  

I stopped reading and commenting on the game thread because of this type of stuff

I realize alot of what is written is in the heat of the game and probably after a few tall ones but some of the shit is absolutely less than tolerable. I have been around quite a few frustrated Redskin fans but I dont see where skinning Jim Haslett alive will make things any better. This team is heading in the proper direction, like it or not (directed at the Shanny haters). You will appreciate it even more when we are back to respectability.

by Bryan Black on Nov 21, 2011 9:42 PM EST reply actions  

The team

Ranting and raving is just therapy for the fanbase that has been abused by Snyder for well over a decade. However, we must maintain our class. Maintain the passion, support the team, and win and lose with class.

by Kurtstack on Nov 21, 2011 11:26 PM EST reply actions  

Well I guess the answer is to self regulate

It seems most of us are of the opinion that certain things shouldn’t be tolerated on the game threads. It’s up to the rest of us to call out the offenders. I live pretty far away from fellow Skins fans to watch a game with. That’s why I get on the thread. I think the rest of us need to tell the bad ones to tone it down or to get off the board. If the person continues to be offensive or overly negative then maybe our fearless leaders can take further action.

Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.

by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 22, 2011 12:41 AM EST reply actions  

I was one of the most immature 30 year old fans

up until 3 years ago. I was the guy who would scream at the TV, throw items around the house(some even made it to my front yard), and kick the dog when we were losing/lost.

Over the last 3 season I have calmed down quite a bit. There are 4 possible reasons for this:
1) It just took me this long to grow up
2) I realized I have an anger problem, and set out to fix it
3) I had unreal expectations of the team entering the season
4) I became(as a good friend likes to put it), a realist

Crying Lion

by Tiller56 on Nov 22, 2011 8:03 AM EST reply actions  

I guess I get off lucky on this

Because I’m too animated during a Redskins game to sit in front of my PC complacently. And if I’m really pissed off, I don’t even bother to try to post in the game thread to vent my frustration, because angry dyslexia kicks in and I would look like a drunken idiot anyways.

I’ve reached an eerie calm in this season though, having tempered my expectations, and resigned myself to the fact that we are playing for draft position right now. People can scoff at the notion of looking ahead to the draft all they want to, but that’s where the future of this team lies.

by willster on Nov 22, 2011 8:37 AM EST reply actions  

Fundamental Law of the Internet

No group of people anywhere can be judged based on the comments runner at the bottom of a web page.

I like a good argument, but I think you should relax a little. I’m pretty sure that even the comments section on the Harvard Law Review regularly ends with Reductio ad Hitlerum.

Furthermore, people who only say sensible things during a football game add just about zero fun. Come on, do you really have a problem with people for saying “snake-bit” in the heat of the moment, or is this just your coping mechanism?

You know what’s fun? A no-hitter. You know what’s more fun? Resisting talking about the no-hitter until the tension is suffocating because you don’t want to jinx it. This is what you get, man. Your kids get Santa Claus. You get curses, referee conspiracies, and Tony Romo uncannily refusing to do boner things against your team like he does against everyone else.

You get all week to try and make actual sense of things. Game threads are for shouting into the void, or for typing what you can’t say to your buddy next to you because these days you live in f***g Nova Scotia.

by sofutomygaha on Nov 22, 2011 12:19 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Stephan, I understand what you are saying, but...

People are fed up of losing. There is no excuse for using the word fa**ot in a thread like that. That is just disrespectful; however, you calling out every single post that had any negative connotation became annoying. The team started out 3-1 and got everyone’s hopes higher than expected. They are now 3-7 and before last game were playing the worst football I can remember them playing in a long time. Then you get the Cowboys and actually put up a fight and start scoring points. It is a heated game to begin with, on top of everything else. I see nothing wrong with people speaking their minds during a game. If I am watching a game with friends I say a lot worse than what was posted. Living in New England and being a Sports Radio fan, I can attest to the fact that even Patriots fans can get very negative and pissed off, including the media. It is only natural to show some emotion when you have such passion for a team like the fans of the Redskins have. Even the Redskins players are pissed and sick of losing. Again, I understand what you are saying, but get off your high horse. Nobody was hurting you in any way. No fans from around the league from other teams are going to get up in arms and be in shock of things that were said on our boards. Until this team starts winning, my guess is it will be like this. And when we do start winning, there will still be those that are unhappy.

by Sevendust34 on Nov 22, 2011 5:45 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Clarification

1. I called out a few of the whiny posts to illustrate a point, no more than 5….nowhere near “every single post that had any negative connotation”

2. I understand frustration and exasperation associated with the losing trend of the Redskins. Fan is short for fanatic, so I understand that people will get upset and say negative things whether we are winning or losing.
-My point was that I wish for better for our fans….for us to at least be somewhat reasonable and educated when it comes to football.
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-It’s an ideal, not a reality, I get it. But why not shoot for something better?

by StephanHart on Nov 23, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Clarification, without lines

Clarification

1. I called out a few of the whiny posts to illustrate a point, no more than 5….nowhere near "every single post that had any negative connotation"

2. I understand frustration and exasperation associated with the losing trend of the Redskins. Fan is short for fanatic, so I understand that people will get upset and say negative things whether we are winning or losing.
My point was that I wish for better for our fans….for us to at least be somewhat reasonable and educated when it comes to football.
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It’s an ideal, not a reality, I get it. But why not shoot for something better?

by StephanHart on Nov 23, 2011 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

I have been around other fans who were reasonable

And I get your point: no group of fans is necessarily better than the others…but shouldn’t we try to be?

by StephanHart on Nov 23, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I get what you're saying.

I felt the same way about the Washington media last year. This year seems a bit better. I told myself that I was going to temper expectations this year, and I have for the most part. That quick start, however, led me to temptation and of course I got my hopes up. I really hope we see an improvement next year though because the losing is starting to get to me. I have never been embarrassed to be a Redskins fan, but I think I am there now. It’s a crummy feeling, especially when your best friend is a Giants fan and you live in Patriots country.

by Sevendust34 on Nov 23, 2011 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

Yea I can imagine that is rough.

I live with a Pats fan but, in spite of his arrogance regarding the Patriot’s dominance, I remember that New England went through decades of mediocrity before Brady and Bellicheck.

Our time will come

by StephanHart on Nov 23, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

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