Redskins SHOULD Lose
by Copious 1 on Nov 20, 2011 8:37 PM EST
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PrintAs controversial as it may be, I have been rooting for the long term future of the Redskins by rooting for them to lose on Sunday since last week. The Redskins have had no QB worth anything for the past 14-16 years and with the league becoming a passing league more and more, I know that the energy invested in getting my hopes up every year that "this year" will be different, is all for nothing unless a franchise QB is found. I'm sure there will be much debate about my loyalty to the team and the quality of fan that I am, but from my perspective...I would rather stop being lead on by the hot chick that keeps making me jump through hoops and telling me she's going to give me some every night, just to end up with blue balls. I would rather have a stable relevant franchise that is not a perennial punchline. Let's keep the coaching staff intact and do the one thing that hasn't been done in the past 14 years and draft a QB with a legitimate shot of being the franchise guy. So I will be doing my best to keep folks up to date on where we appear to stand with regards to draft order.
- Indianapolis 0-10
- St. Louis 2-8
- Carolina 2-8
- Minnesota 2-8
- Arizona- 3-7
- Redskins 3-7
- Jacksonville 3-7
- Miami 3-7
- Seattle 4-6
- Cleveland 4-6
Redskins Remaining Schedule
Seattle
New York (Jets)
New England
New York (Giants)
Minnestoa
Philadelphia
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By George lets go 3-13.
Knock down Minny and Seattle. Only team ahead of us right now that I could see taking a QB is Arizona, but are they really going to give up on Kolb after one year?
Others in the top ten:
Miami
Seattle
Cleveland
Lets root hard for these teams!
arizonas qb situation
I dont think they will give up on kolb yet. And if they decide to (It was only one game but) skeleton (Arizona’s rookie) played good. Had 3 touchdowns and no picks If I saw right so they might want to take a chance on him for a year before they draft a qb so they might be out of the qb hunt atleast for this year. so we might get the second best qb Which to me is barkley
by no more kwame's in dc on Nov 20, 2011 9:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
arizonas qb situation
I dont think they will give up on kolb yet. And if they decide to (It was only one game but) skeleton (Arizona’s rookie) played good. Had 3 touchdowns and no picks If I saw right so they might want to take a chance on him for a year before they draft a qb so they might be out of the qb hunt atleast for this year. so we might get the second best qb Which to me is barkley
by no more kwame's in dc on Nov 20, 2011 9:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
HELL NO
I will never ever root for cowboys
by no more kwame's in dc on Nov 20, 2011 10:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
During the game?
In no way. I was on the sideline screaming my freaking head off the whole game on defense. Thought about how stupid, ugly, and disgusting all the “Dallas” fans were. But when I got in the car, I realized it was a blessing in disguise.
by Andrew DeFrank on Nov 21, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
I thiought I was the only one
When ever losing out is mentioned, people freak out. We have been one of the league’s punchlines for years and frankly, I’m sick of it. We have lost for so long, what’s one more year of losing gonna do? I say lose out and draft Barkley or RGIII with our 1st pick.
I know there will be some of you guys that will say “well, what if the pick doesn’t pan out? what then?” We’re in the same exact spot we are now. Nothing has changed. So I say go for it Shanny. Draft whichever QB you feel is the best fit and we will go from there.
HTTR
Indy and Zona are the only two who'd take QBs
And Zona likely won’t after giving up so much for Kolb. Indy will very likely take luck, if not, they’ll trade it to someone who will take luck. I think we’ll end up with our choice of Jones, Barkley, or RGIII (I really believe he’ll come out because he’ll likely be a top 10 pick). Baring the Redskins finishing on some great winning streak, they’ll get a good pick.
Sorry... but this is BS
You never root for your team to lose.
by ENsDad27 on Nov 20, 2011 10:14 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Rule #1 - Blanket statements almost never work.
If the Skins were IN the playoffs and it was the last game of the season and the Skins played the Rams and a Rams win kept Dallas out of the playoffs, you WOULD root for the Redskins to rest their starters and lose to the Rams to keep the Cowgirls out, so….your statement fails. I enjoyed the competitive game today and watched the young guys play just like everyone else. I wouldn’t like to see the team just quick, they get paid to compete on every play. However, if the Redskins losing benefits them in the long run….sure, I’m all for it. If the Skins were 0-10 along with the Colt and were guaranteed the #1 based on strength of schedule, you would be rooting for a win one? (the whole 0-16 thing not withstanding)
Redskins @LandryJones2012
Wisdom > Arrogance, but you're entitled.
At least I'm not a whiny, little bitch.
by Jim America on Nov 20, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Please explain the arrogance?
The Skins lose more by winning and gain more by losing. FACT
Winning is a moral victory and pride in the teams ability to compete, but a lower pick that does not help the QB situation minus trades.
Losing possible top 5 pick and a good shot at a QB.
One of those seems more logical for me. And as i said, I expect the team to compete as they did today. EDsDad can choose whichever option he want and he is entitled to that as is everyone else, but you can’t rationally argue how winning does anything more that boost morale. 4-6 of the renaming games may be a loss.
Redskins @LandryJones2012
How about the fact that you are referring to yourself as wise?
Or, if that doesn’t suit you, how about dismissing another’s dissenting view as “emotionalism” when they haven’t even explained their reasoning? How about referring to your position as “logical” and ignoring that there are also negative consequences to losing out? You’re clearly being arrogant.
At least I'm not a whiny, little bitch.
by Jim America on Nov 21, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You probably object to the word wisdom, would the word logic work better? (Honest question)
Redskins @LandryJones2012
Im surprised to see this post from you, I find your opinions to be very much win now
largely due to your infatuation with free agency which has kept this team mediocre for years
by alwaysremember21 on Nov 21, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
This is much simpler that you're making it
We all root for the Redskins in pre-season, too. You realize, however, that pre-season wins don’t add up to anything, and that the most valuable thing is what your young players are learning and what you’re learning about them.
The rest of this season is nothing but reps. Root for the guys in the redskins uniforms, but also root for the coaching staff play for growth, not necessarily for wins.
by sofutomygaha on Nov 21, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Now watch the skins win against the Jets, Giants and Philly
and end up at 6-10 and picking at #14.
Hoping the Redskins lose....
is like hoping your son strikes out in a little league game.
I’m sorry, but this league isn’t all or nothing. Sure, only one team gets to win the super bowl every year, but does that mean that all of the other teams should hope to go winless? thats just dumb….copious, i know you’re a skins fan and you want to see them win. I think you’re just getting a little to giddy about next years draft. I know it’s tough, but enjoy this season for what it is. The game yesterday against dallas was a great football game. I was disappointed on my 3 hour drive home, but i was pulling for them all along, just like i know you really were too
In all seriousness....
You could be hit by a car and killed TOMORROW (heck, later today).
Do you REALLY want the last game you ever see of your beloved Redskins to be a LOSS so they can draft one or two spots higher next year? Not me. I root for the team to win EVERY week… I’m ok with the fact we lost, EVEN to Dallas (well, no, I’m not, but that’s because it’s Dallas more than anything else), but I want to see wins, even if they cost us a spot.
Before this game, I didn’t think it would matter, anyway; as depleted as we are, and with the final straw being Hank the Tank, I didn’t see us winning. Now I see us winning at least once more, maybe twice, before the season is done; our D is that good, and our O is finally starting to turn the corner even with the scrubs and rookies (hey, that’s a GOOD thing for next year… the rookies and young guys are looking very good!). But I’m willing to trade back up, if that’s what needs to be done (and I’m still thinking it’s worth trading up for Luck).
So enjoy the games, and root for VICTORY, not a spot. Because that car killing you? Remember there are Redskins fans who ARE dying and won’t make it to the 2012 season. It would be nice to send them out with a victory or two if we can.
HAIL!
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
by BillWard on Nov 21, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
a little morbid...
but i agree. I always want to see them win, and i see us winning 2 more this year.
Yep we need to lose out
No point in winning a meaningless squeaker to lower our draft standing.
Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG
Pathetic
Hoping to lose out for draft position. Are you kidding me? Your team has a good defense and only needs a couple of pieces on offense. Remember the Baltimore Ravens winning a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer? Grossman is a lot better than Dilfer. If anything, it is the play calling. Hope you get what you want but I would never root against my team for any reason. You shouldn’t either.
I wouldnt say that
I also wouldnt say you’re massively overrating the defense of this team
by alwaysremember21 on Nov 21, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
This truly is pathetic, screw you
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* 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
They are some pathetic people and fans and should be banned 4 life!
by NITECRAWLER1G on Nov 21, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Strong opinion, but answer this.
What makes the team we all love better next year? Picking 5 or 15? I did not say lay down for any team or suck for Luck. Play hard, lose in overtime, whatever you prefer.
Redskins @LandryJones2012
by Copious 1 on Nov 21, 2011 9:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You said in your first statement and I quote
“As controversial as it may be, I have been rooting for the long term future of the Redskins by rooting for them to lose on Sunday since last week.”
Now if that not say LOSING then explain it to all the fans! Losing is never a option plain and simple!
by NITECRAWLER1G on Nov 21, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
If you watched that game yesterday and any bone of your body didn't want the Skins to win then I truly think you should go elsewhere.
What makes the team we all love better next year? Picking 5 or 15?
I don’t know? What makes the Packers better in 2005, picking 1st or 24th? What makes this team better in a long run? Winning a hard fought team effort against a rival or just laying down the rest of the season for draft position?
Just b/c a QB is a Top 5 pick doesn’t mean he’s automatically better than a QB who is a Top 15 pick. If there is a QB we want badly enough then we’ll get him.
I did not say lay down for any team or suck for Luck.
No you didn’t say that, but the fact you’re rooting against the Redskins implies it. Why are you willing to mortgage this season, but not future picks?
Here’s a site you’ll probably be more appreciated at: www.BloggingTheBoys.com, O wait we play the Seahawks this week, http://www.fieldgulls.com/
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-100
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
Valid argument
Explain to me why I should root for the Redskins to lose? We may get a QB who may turn out good.
Everyone here has ZERO clue on how Shanahan has QBs evaluated. He may love Barkley, he may love Patrick Witt, he may want to sign Caleb Hanie. Shut up, support your team, and let the season and offseason playout how it may. If Shanny is in love with one of these QBs and he thinks that they are the best fit for the team then he’ll go out and get them regardless of draft position.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 21, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
so said the narcissistic control-freak
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
by Redskin44 on Nov 21, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Once again, valid argument
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by Parks Smith on Nov 21, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe Redskin44 and Copious 1 are Cowboy Fans!
by NITECRAWLER1G on Nov 21, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
No, we are just not Nazis who attack other posters for having a difference of opinion on what is best for the team’s future.
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
Instilling a losing culture and having an unsupportive fan base is best for the franchise's future?
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by Parks Smith on Nov 21, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Since we have had 2 winning records in the last 10 years, and a quarter of the crowd yesterday were cowboy fansI would say we are already there.
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
So we're not fans because we want what's best for this team's future?
Okay, keep on pushing your agenda. I’ve been rooting for this team to lose. Most fans were mad after the game, but you guys are going to be cheeing in April once the draft rolls around. Just watch.
Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG
Why how's the draft going to work out?
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by Parks Smith on Nov 21, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I was cheering last year and that was with the 11th pick
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by Parks Smith on Nov 21, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I was too.
I liked Kerrigan, thought that was a hit, though I wanted Locker. Well, when Locker was gone, I’m happy for my future Pro Bowl LB.
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
What is my agenda? Play hard, practice hard, and win football games?
Sorry
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by Parks Smith on Nov 21, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
You didn't answer my question.
What kind of reaction did you think was going to be here after losing to our biggest rival and OVERTIME and saying you’re happy about it?
Once again, Shanny is going to get us a QB this year, but you don’t know which one and you don’t know if it’s going to be thru the draft or free agency, if we’re going to trade up or back. So why not support your team and just see where this takes you rather than rooting against your team so that you get QB XXXX and hope that he may be good? You either trust in the HC/FO or you don’t. Shanny needs to coach this young team up and they need to play with heart and win some games, I don’t think bringing in a QB prospect to a team of apathetic losers is going to help our long term cause too much.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 21, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Why reference the last 10 years, why not the last 20?
The question is, has the culture changed?
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by Parks Smith on Nov 21, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I dont agree with the black and white opinions you guys are advocating
but to answer the culture question NO. Detroit lost for a long time, Calvin Johnson saw his team go winless and then win 2 games the next year. Does he look like a loser to you? How about Suh? or Matt Stafford? Jahvid Best? Pettigrew? Cliff Avril? Talent changed the culture up there not Schwartz who came into this season 8-24
by alwaysremember21 on Nov 21, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Parks they are LOSERS
Parks I know we might not see Eye to Eye on something, but one thing I will say and I RESPECT about you is that we wil NEVER say I hope the REDSKIN lose. That statement is what every team fan that is looking at our site will use against us.
by NITECRAWLER1G on Nov 21, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Explain to me why I should root for the Redskins to lose? We may get a QB who may turn out good.
But that’s exactly right, parks. We’re sitting at the poker table with a lousy hand and a short stack. We get a new hand next year. The draft is a big stack of chips, and they give you more the more you lose.
by sofutomygaha on Nov 21, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Are you Serious
Hold the Fuck on! I never in my life heard a TRUE REDSKIN FAN say LOSING IS Great. You should just DIE and you are a pathic fan. Since when losing is acceptable in life? Now I understand if we are debating about a coach and his staff, but to say that the Redskins need to Tank the season and Suck 4 Luck?
Man if this is what Hog Haven has come to then let me get a new site started for REAL DIEHARD FANS OF THE REDSKINS! For everybody who post that the Redskins should lose because of a draft postion need to be BAN from this SITE. There no way in HELL I would root 4 Dallas or anybody else in this world. That like saying you will root for the Taliban then a US Soldier. Wow I guess we do have some bandwagon fans in the Haven!
Don't connect this in any way to patriotism.
Our US soldiers fight and die for our safety. The Redskins can only play with the safety they provide. Not even an argument i’m going to have.
Long term success vs. Short term is the debate.
Redskins @LandryJones2012
by Copious 1 on Nov 21, 2011 9:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why not since you said it!
It’s the same example no Sin is greater then the other Sin. Never will I question anybody patriotism. Most folks know that I’m in the Army and been serving since 1988 and would never say I hope we lose so we could get more troops.
I know that a strong statement to say but If you would root for them to lose then you would root for anything else. I say just play the season out and if you have to trade for a QB then so be it, but to say Just lose to get a better pick is madness!
False
Wanting your baseball team to juice because other teams do, does not mean you want your wife to. We can pause the losing argument for a second…. You don’t get draft picks when people die in the military. Death is different than losing.
Redskins @LandryJones2012
by Copious 1 on Nov 21, 2011 9:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What False!
You are just plain and simple a RESOL now look in the Mirror and it will spell LOSER! That image that you see is a person who has been beat down and can’t get off the canvas. Who has given up on his team. So I guess you would rather for your team to juice or dope so they can win, but not your wife? What is the different when it all the same you are a LOSER!
Maybe you don’t understand the words that are coming out of my mouth. In the military we say " Death before Dishonor, Losing is like dieing, We rather DIE before we take defeat. Now to put in a Fans terms so you will understand I rather sit on the bench and cheer for the next person to win, then say that Im rooting for us to LOSE!
by NITECRAWLER1G on Nov 21, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
I'm curious why 14 years? who did we draft 14 years ago that had a shot at being a franchise QB?
Let’s keep the coaching staff intact and do the one thing that hasn’t been done in the past 14 years and draft a QB with a legitimate shot of being the franchise guy.
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like i said before
Try to win every game against every opponent and let the pieces fall where they will. We don’t want the young players to fall into a losing mindset. Play hard and if we can get a win be happy.
by no more kwame's in dc on Nov 21, 2011 10:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
exactly +1
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by Parks Smith on Nov 21, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
my feelings exactly, rec'd
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
I was pissed we lost to Dallas
but unlike past years for me, I didn’t want to break anything. This is how MY attitude has changed.
When we lost to a division rival(or really anybody for that matter), it took me a couple days to get over it, and I would be so upset, I would not want to speak to anyone for a while. This season, I just shake my head, go watch a 4 o’clock game, and try to look at the positives for next year.
Crying Lion
Till this is some BS at it Finest!
I never in my life seen no shit like this. I been a Redskins Fan since 1970, but I never once heard any Fan say I want us to lose because of the Draft. This is some sick shit and they need to be ban 4 life!
by NITECRAWLER1G on Nov 21, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
I know man
but it’s an opinion of one person, not the opinion of Redskins fans everywhere. Don’t let it get you upset.
Crying Lion
I'm with tiller on this
I want them to win. And I’ll be happy if they do. But at the same time, if they lose, there is a positive consequence that we will eventually reap of it, so as long as I see progress/promise in the game, its what it is.
When Beck was there, the losses really sucked because we looked thoroughly incompetent.
But with the O doing what it did today, I think: “huh… we might get a great pick, and actually have a lot of potential going into it.”
I don’t want it, but I’ll take it
I think everyone can relate to that.
I’m sure I came on a little strong. I used to get really upset with games when I was in college and what not, but what’s the point of a grown man acting like a child and getting too upset to the point where you break things. We all clearly have passion for this team. I want to the team to win, but I think the moral is we want to see youthful improvement, which we did yesterday.
But there is a fine line in coming out and saying you’re ok with the team losing b/c they are young and there is the benefit of draft position, opposed to saying you’re rooting for the Redskins to lose. If you’re flat out rooting for the team to lose to improve draft position then I think that’s flat out wrong.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 21, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
At least I'm not a whiny, little bitch.
To quote you
you’re ok with the team losing b/c they are young and there is the benefit of draft position,
A lot of people bashed for “suck for luck” really should have been categorized as this. For example, we could have just tossed in Hankerson and Paul as starters earlier for the sake of experience.
I think that's a reasonable argument for not picking up Gaffney and Stallworth.
I disagree, but it’s reasonable. Once you have them, they play…well, Gaffney for sure.
At least I'm not a whiny, little bitch.
First Thing's First
I can’t stand when people put out the argument that we haven’t addressed the QB position in 10+ years, that we’ve never gone out and tried to get “the guy”.
Jason Campbell was brought here to be our franchise QB. You might only remember him for being tossed to the side during his final years here, but don’t forget that he was 1st round draft pick, undefeated his senior year at Auburn, sat for a few seasons behind Brunnel, and was groomed to be our franchise.
I know we haven’t drafted a bunch of 1st round QBs recently, but we also haven’t completely ignored the position. Remember that, and also know that drafting a QB in the 1st round o this upcoming draft does NOT guarantee success.
A lot of people are having trouble understanding this point.
Remember that, and also know that drafting a QB in the 1st round o this upcoming draft does NOT guarantee success.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 21, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Actually I think we do. Some of us have the opinion that it is worth the risk
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
It's absolutely worht the risk, I'm not guaranteeing that
And I want to take the risk. But I’m not risking alienating 65 current players in tanking. Like I said if Shanny sees a guy that is “his guy” then he’s likely going to get him regardless of draft position.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 21, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Yea I know
And trust me, I want the Skins to have a great QB, and I would not be opposed to taking one early in the draft this year.
But this notion that the Redskins have completely ignored the QB position for a decade and that selecting a 1st round QB this season will automatically take us to the promised land is absurd and incorrect.
by StephanHart on Nov 21, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I dont think we have ignored QB over the last 10 years
We missed on ramsey and campbell, and completely agree that new young QB won’t be able to lead us to the promise land by himself.
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
Some people keep forgetting we've drafted THREE "Franchise" QBs in the first round
in the last two decades:
Heath Shuler (#4 overall?)
Patrick Ramsey
Jason Campbell.
Campbell was the lowest drafted, at #25. He was also the best, though Ramsey had potential until Spurrier made him shell shocked with the “Run and Gun” (“Run for your life, and you better be carrying a gun, because you’re going to DIE”). Shuler was a classic first round bust.
Who’s to say our next QB doesn’t follow that mold? I want victories NOW, before I’m so old that I can’t remember the words to the song…. “Hail to the Redskins… Hail mumble Tea!”
Wait, too late… it’s been too long since we WON.
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
Ramsey drafted 32
Shuler was the only true bust, people got overly excited about the other 2 but they werent really that great as prospects
by alwaysremember21 on Nov 21, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh my god, Parks
Stop banging that drum, please. How many times do you want to have the odds-of-a-bust-on-a-top-QB-prospect discussion.
A lot of people are having trouble understanding this point: there are no guarantees, there are probabilities.
by sofutomygaha on Nov 21, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
LT
Would we not consider the LT position as “not addressed” if the futility at that position lasted for 14 years. I do not believe any other team in the league has gone that long, could be wrong.
Redskins @LandryJones2012
by Copious 1 on Nov 21, 2011 12:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Once again why 14 years?
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by Parks Smith on Nov 21, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Confused here
Addressed with Samuels and Williams.
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
If
The question was if. People argue qb WAS addressed. The question was IF left tackle was as “address” as QB would we not consider it unaddressed. IF
I.e. Solid starter at the LT position.
Redskins @LandryJones2012
by Copious 1 on Nov 21, 2011 12:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ok, understand now
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
My first rule for being a fan:
Always root for your team to win. Who cares about a fucking draft spot? We’ll inevitably be in a spot to draft a good QB no matter what. I don’t like calling people bad fans, but Jesus, rooting for your to lose for a measly draft spot? Fucking pathetic. I’m ashamed that a fellow Redskins fan would talk like this.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
by DCO'sfan on Nov 21, 2011 12:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Answer questions 1 & 2 for me please.
I have seen a good number of people discussing drafting Barkley, RG3, Luck, Jones.
I have also seen a good number of people talking about the desire not to trade draft picks.
The synthesis of those idea is having a pick high enough to make that happen.
I did not suggest tanking, not being competitive, not trying to win. That is what the team is supposed to do. Do I want the team to try to lose? NO. That is not my point. I…as a fan would like a loss. Will I be mad if they win? NO. However I do see a long term benefit to losing. Logic suggest losing the remainder of the games is a positive more than a negative.
Question #1: HYPOTHETICALLY
If the Redskins were 0-15 along with the Colts and were guaranteed to have the #1 pick to be able to draft Luck (or whoever you would take #1 overall), who would be cheering for a WIN if the Redskins and Colts played each other for the last game of the season?
Question #2: HYPOTHETICALLY
If the Redskins could guarantee the cowboys would not make the playoffs by losing to the Rams the last game of the season, and IF the Skins were already out of the playoffs, would you be rooting for a win?
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You just contradicted your entire fanpost
So which one is it? When people make logical counter arguments you suddenly change your story? Classy. You said that you are rooting for them to lose. EXPLICITLY IN YOUR ORIGINAL POST. Need proof? Here’s some:
As controversial as it may be, I have been rooting for the long term future of the Redskins by rooting for them to lose on Sunday since last week.
I’m not willing to take you seriously and have a serious discussion with you until you pick a side. Even so, you made a comment that articulated the opposite of everything in your original fanpost, so I’m not inclined to believe your change of heart.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
by DCO'sfan on Nov 21, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not sure I follow?
Do I want to see DHALL or LANDRY give up on a play? No. Do I want them to lose sure. They are mutually exclusive.
Is Rex going to throw a pick? Yes
Will Gano miss? Yes
Will Dhall get beat…. Sure.
Am I investing energy in rooting for or hoping for them to do something other than what they are known for? Nope
let’s not have the oline have a monster game and be completely out of character and drop us two draft spots, when half of roar guys wont be here next year and it doesn’t benefit us on the long run. Lets not have Rex throw foot 600 yards and 6 touchdowns while Stallworth has 300 yards receiving against Minnesota just to stop 4 draft spots, when none of those guys should be on the roster next year. Do I root against winning? Yes. Do I want the team to lay down….no.
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by Copious 1 on Nov 21, 2011 1:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Here's your cake, you can eat it too
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Never suggested it wasn't a complicated position.
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by Copious 1 on Nov 21, 2011 1:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think I understand what you were trying to say Copious
I think it came out wrong. Maybe.
I never want the Skins to lose. if they played a charity game against a bunch of Jerry’s Kids I would still want them to crush them. It’s like when ST21 killed the punter at the Pro bowl a couple of years ago. People bitched and moaned and I said, “Fuck yeah that’s my safety.” Anyways, I think you meant there is a silver lining to us losing. I hate it but I hate it alot less then 5 years ago.
I want us to win but I want the Browns, Miami, Seattle, Indy, etc…. to win as well. Unless they play us. I think we will be just fine come April no matter what.
One last thing that it seems like you haven’t taken into account. What will you do if you root for us to lose the rest of the year and in April we are drafting number two. You’d be happy right? What if Shanny trades for more picks and we are all of the sudden drafting at 15 but with more picks? What if doesn’t take one of the top QBs? How would you feel about this past year rooting for the loses and how would you feel about Shanny?
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
Everyone knows there is the draft position upside of losing.
Not everyone is actively rooting for their team to lose. You are being too generous.
At least I'm not a whiny, little bitch.
by Jim America on Nov 21, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well articulated
I trust the current regime. They can do whatever they choose, but can do it at a higher level with a higher pick. The goal is to never pick this high again.
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by Copious 1 on Nov 21, 2011 1:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Have you ordered your Seahawks shirt for this week yet?
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Send me yours.
I’m sure you have one for every team to take a dump on. Did you answer my two questions from above?
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by Copious 1 on Nov 21, 2011 2:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bleh...I'll answer.
1. This is the only instance in which I would consider actually wanting to lose, and only because I have (probably foolishly) such faith in Andrew Luck’s ability to succeed in the NFL. Even so, I never want my squad to go 0-fer. I saw enough of those football seasons at Duke for a lifetime. Maybe if both teams were 1-14 and playing each other I’d change my mind. More importantly, this example has no relation to the current reality which is the context of your argument.
2. He’ll no. Why would I want to miss out on another opportunity to see Romo choke and Dallas “fans” cry?
At least I'm not a whiny, little bitch.
I'll chime in.
If Washington was playing Colts, I would say whoop there @$$ and then let the chips in the draft fall for you.
Hell No if they won the they should go to the playoff. I rather have a team who play there hearts out and lost then to just tank the season.
I got a question for you then since it ok in your book to lose the rest of the season. Why not we bring Al Fatworth back and play since you ok with losing.
by NITECRAWLER1G on Nov 21, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Again...not a valid component to an argument
Albert Haynesworth was/ is a cancer in the locker room. I think you are missing the point. There is not a lack of love for the Redskins as a team. I do not want the team to do what is bad for them. Losing the remaining games in the season is not BAD for the team. Moral may dip sure, but ask Carolina how team morale was after Cam Newton came in and started playing the way he is, or the Bengals after Andy Dalton came in. I do not dislike/hate my team. Just as it is your team and your team pride that says I always want to see them win no matter what. Mine says, we have been losing for far to long and if a higher draft pick helps to right that ship (no matter what the front office chooses to do with that pick), I’m for that option, even if it means losing now to win in the draft.
You’re military, if you are being overrun by an opposing army and need to retreat to a more advantageous position in order to turn the tide of the battle and overcome your opponent do you do it? Is that called cowardice or not being a patriot? OR is that called taking the best strategy to get the best overall outcome? You don’t HAVE to agree, but losing the battle to win the war has worked very well throughout history. Win at all costs never back down has failed for many dictators i.e. Gaddafi. Just my perspective.
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Speaking of not a valid component to an argument...
Dalton was a 3rd round pick. Please don’t cite logic and then refuse to employ it.
At least I'm not a whiny, little bitch.
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I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
Correct...my fault.
At least I'm not a whiny, little bitch.
@Jim
That component of the argument was about how a player can boost morale. I think Dalton is an excellent example of that, regardless of his draft position.
Bringing back Haynesworth has no bearing on the main argument win now vs. lose now to win later. Haynesworth does not benefit the team in any way. Therefore it has no place in a discussion about winning.
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by Copious 1 on Nov 21, 2011 8:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's boring to debate with the intellectually dishonest and/or the obstinate.
At least I'm not a whiny, little bitch.
So unless I agree with you I'm bring dishonest?
Interesting perspective
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by Copious 1 on Nov 21, 2011 9:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Obstinate it is.
At least I'm not a whiny, little bitch.
by Jim America on Nov 21, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
@Jim, our anyone else...
Please explain how bringing Haynesworth back helps to win in any way shape or form, OR get a higher draft pick.
Redskins @LandryJones2012
by Copious 1 on Nov 21, 2011 10:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Um...when did I say that?
At least I'm not a whiny, little bitch.
by Jim America on Nov 21, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
@Jim
My overall statement was in response to NTECRAWLER who suggested I would root for Haynesworth to return. I was explaining that losing to get a lower draft pick was rooting for long term benefit.
I made the statement:
Losing the remaining games in the season is not BAD for the team. Moral may dip sure, but ask Carolina how team morale was after Cam Newton came in and started playing the way he is, or the Bengals after Andy Dalton came in.
You said:
Speaking of not a valid component to an argument…
Dalton was a 3rd round pick. Please don’t cite logic and then refuse to employ it.
Not certain what your comment was referring to as not logical. I don’t know if you read NTECRAWLER’s comment before reading my response.
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Also @ Jim
As I said to Parks I also say to you:
I respect your opinion and value you as a fan and blogger. I would never disrespect you and agree to disagree on issues. You don’t like my stance cool, so be it. If I spend any portion of time in my day electronically commenting on a team….I’m a true fan. PERIOD.
I’ve stood in it all day taking every angry shot from every commenter, some get it, and some don’t. Maybe the wording could be different, or maybe not. The beauty of an open blog, is that folks can express their opinions and discuss accordingly. But I haven’t been disrespectful to anyone and agree as stated at the onset, that my stance isn’t one for everyone.
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I'll Answer that Question
You said I rooting for us to lose plain and simple. There is no damn Logic in losing. Since you said then Fat Al is a loser so why not bring in losers! Do you root for your kids to lose in anything in life? Do you root for your best friend to lose in life? Do you wake up in the morning and say I’m a loser so that will make me better in life?
The answer is NO to all the above! I don’t know if you played any sports in your life, but if you had you should be ashamed of yourself. Never has any fan or player said I hope we lose the rest of the season to get a draft pick. Now to answer the big question. As a Soldier it is my job to Protect and Defend this Nation no matter what the cost is and that includes my LIFE. That why we take the Oath of Enlistment to never leave a fallin comrade or soldier behind. We will die and give the Ultimate Sacrifice to make sure our Battle Buddies don’t die. Now as a SQD LDR it is my job to make sure I put my life on the line for my soldier and to tell every family member that I will do everything in my power to make sure your son and daughter will come back in one peace. I know I’m not some God, but they KNOW that SSG GERALD LAROY GREEN will DIE and take the mission before I then to let there kids. I LEAD from the FRONT and not the rear! THAT MY 5 cents!
by NITECRAWLER1G on Nov 22, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Question #1: HYPOTHETICALLY
The Redskins. Put it in any hypothetical situation you want, if the Redskins are playing someone else then I’m rooting for the Redskins.
Question #2: HYPOTHETICALLY
YES, I’d be rooting for the Redskins. I’m worried about this team only, I honestly don’t care what the Cowboys are doing. If they make the playoffs then good for them, then I’ll root against them in the playoffs.
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Cool
Even though people who disagree with me on this post, may disagree with you on #1, I respect your opinion and value you as a fan and blogger. I would never disrespect you and agree to disagree on issues. You don’t like my stance cool, so be it. If I spend any portion of time in my day electronically commenting on a team….I’m a true fan. PERIOD.
Redskins @LandryJones2012
by Copious 1 on Nov 21, 2011 2:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I gotcha man, It's just tought to hear, and I apologize for coming on strongly
Now if we could change your signature we’d be on to something
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Yeah.... He's dropped for me.
Suggestion?
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by Copious 1 on Nov 21, 2011 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah.... He's dropped for me.
Suggestion?
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by Copious 1 on Nov 21, 2011 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
haha I'm a Barkley guy at this point
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Do you think Seattle fans were rooting to lose last year when they could of made the playoffs or...
jumped up 10+ playoff spots?
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Making the playoffs IS the point
So no. If we were in the playoff hunt, this would be a mute issue.
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by Copious 1 on Nov 21, 2011 2:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So when do you root to tank? 3-4? 3-5? 3-6?
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Once you are statistically eliminated
Or logic suggests that you are out of the playoffs.
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by Copious 1 on Nov 21, 2011 4:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We aren't "statistically eliminated" even now.
We win out, and have a few lucky breaks, we could still, THEORETICALLY, make the playoffs.
Is it going to happen? Almost certainly not. But at present, only one team is DEFINITELY eliminated that I know of, and two more MIGHT be.
Heck, it’s still possible (unlikely, but possible) for us to win the NFC East.
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
At this point, I'm over finishing 6-10 or 7-9 and not getting our choice of QB
I’ve been listening to this record for the last 20 years and I don’t care what happens so long as we get the guy we need to run our offense and run it well. I’m not mad at all if we lose the rest of the games this season if we get the right guy for the job.
Hell in retrospect does anyone even remember or care about Indy’s season the year before they drafted Peyton Manning?? Nope. All everyone remembers is the boat load of wins, division titles they racked up afterwards. Thats where I’m at right now.
Oh, so you want to draft Peyton?
At least I'm not a whiny, little bitch.
I have to ask the obvious question
What is the real difference between a 1st and an 8th pick anyway? I think all of us each have stated our preferences on QB’s in this draft but I dont believe that a single one of us would be disappointed in any of them. Barkley is my choice but am I going to be disappointed if RGIII ends up in Burgundy and Gold? No. In the end its quite as possible that Luck could bust just as it is that RGIII will bust. So we lose games for what? Absolutely nothing. I got sick to my stomach when I read the title. Granted I do understand a bit better where your coming from and respect it as being your opinion but could not disagree with your logic more.
I would be disappointed if he did. Especially if we take him in the top 10
Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.
I think a better title for this post would've been "I don't mind losing as much"
We are obviously going no where no where this year. Of all the years it would benefit us to have a train wreck of a year, it is this one. This is a once a decade type of QB draft we have coming up and it is painfully obvious that we need a franchise QB more than anything else.
To kill this guy for posting we should lose the way everyone has, is a bit much. There is a big difference in those top 5 picks and everything after. Cam Newton vs. Blane Gabbert. That is the difference in winning a couple of meaningless games.
I will root for my team, no matter what. I will also be thankful if we finish 3-13. There is an obvious culture change here and they are not going to get a “loser” mindset. We need the best possible chance at a great QB and, like it or not, losing this year gives us the best chance at that.
HEY! If you were a hotdog, would ya eat yourself?
I understand the sentiment but....
there is a difference from rooting for them to lose and accepting, and finding the bright side in their failure. I think you could have worded it differently and would have had a more welcome response. Deep down inside, with the exception of the Dallas game, I would be willing to bet there is a little piece of everyone on here that is “happy” if we continue to lose. Not that anyone would admit it, but this season is done…..it’s time to look to the future and find what puts us in the best situation….that would be losing. I don’t want us to lose….but I do understand the benefit it will give us come draft time. The same people killing this post…..are the same people that would be crying come April when 6 wins puts us at pick 16 and out of the running for Luck, RGIII, Barkley, and Jones! (no need to get into semantics of whether any of those 4 would be available @ 16……that’s not my point)
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