Redskins Proved Today More than Just the Kick was Right
by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 20, 2011 8:23 PM EST
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OK, so just when we've all but given up on the Redskins, they reel us back in with a first half lead, send the Cowboys to overtime....and find a way to lose. I think most Redskins fans can be proud our team played with heart despite a five game losing streak. I mean, I got to sing Hail to the Redskins THREE times today. That was a joy, but the key mistakes were gut wrenching.
Missed it. That's it. No excuses," said the second-year pro, who pushed the kick wide right. "Just missed it. It felt good, but obviously wasn't."
When we scored that touchdown at the end of the game, I turned to Ken and said, "We should go for 2. We're not a playoff team, let's win this now. We don't want Romo with the ball in OT. We can get 2 yards."
Of course, Shanny preferred to go to OT and the rest is history. Even when the Redskins drove to the 40 I think everyone was saying we cannot settle for a 50+ yard FG. Most kickers are 50% from there, and we need to get to at least the 30. Again, the Redskins looked conservative here and forced Gano into a long kick.
As for Trent Williams, Grant Paulsen reported:
Trent Williams: "It's the MCL. I don't think it's too serious... ACL is fine.... right now it's just pain."
MRI is tomorrow. Fingers crossed. More notes including DHall's potent comments after the jump:
Brian Orakpo on what today proved: "We're on a six-game skid but we're not giving up. We're going to try to turn it around." [Grant Paulsen]
Hats off to DJ Gomes and his 13 tackles in his first start.
"I'm the reason we lost the game," Hall said. "It's frustrating. It's tough to swallow. Second time in a row to Dallas, definitely a little pissed off at myself....If I'm evaluating from the front office, I might be the first one to run myself out" Hall said. [106.7]
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Atleast Hall takin responsibility
And not mouthing off…
West Springfield Spartans OUTSIDE LB #47
HTTR
by SpartanFS47 on Nov 20, 2011 8:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
As much as I want to credit DHall for some humility
There’s a difference between “I will improve” and “Cut me.” Why is his message “I’m not good enough” instead of “I will work to earn my spot on this team”?
Deangelo Hall, in order to become a great CB, you have to put in work on technique rather than relying on physical abilities.
I think he already is. His tackling has improved a lot.
It’s his decision making that he needs to work on.
I am very impressed with his tackling this year
When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.
by Jeff Bernard on Nov 21, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
I wanna see us go QB and Oline in the first 3 rounds of the next draft.
But we really, really need a great shutdown corner.
Doesn't everyone?
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Everyone but Philly.
At least I'm not a whiny, little bitch.
by Jim America on Nov 20, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Hah
Not hardly. More like everyone but the Jets
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
My fault.
Should have used the sarcasm font.
At least I'm not a whiny, little bitch.
Hall has always been a boom or bust kind of talent
but his boom is awesome (4 picks vs Bears last season). I blame several players for this lose before Hall.
1. When’s the last time Torain has had a run longer than 6 yards? He couldn’t punch it in on 2 tries from the 5 at Miami and got benched for Helu and Choice with THIS game on the line. The word useless comes to mind.
2. Gano has had 3 kicks blocked and has 8 misses on the year (most in the NFL). The miss that would have put the Skins up 10 late in the 3rd was HUGE.
3. When’s the last time Armstrong made an impact play? Last season?
Can't blame Torain
For putting himself in. I blame the Shanny’s for that part. Helu has been our best runner hands down the past 3 weeks, yet they refuse to put him in. Kyle should be calling the plays for him, and Mke should be making sure he gets in.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Also
This offensive line is still shit.
by BigOLinemen on Nov 20, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Meh
They played about as good as Dallas’ line. Rex had as much time as Romo, and Helu saw daylight when he was in. Torain is just too slow to the hole.
Yes, our line needs an upgrade, but this was far from their worst performance.
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KYLE HAS TO GO
Yeah i blame Kyle for this entire loss. Clearly he hates Helu just like he used to hate John Beck. I mean anyone who thinks there is actually a reason for not starting Helu is just crazy. Clearly Kyle loves Rex and Ryan the most. Also why didn’t Kyle have Helu in to kick the FG. We all know Gano sucks so he probably just loves Gano more than Helu. I mean yeah the team put up 24 points but if Kyle didn’t hate Helu so much we probably would have scored like 68 points. The other thing pissing me off is why wasn’t Helu in to block the kick? It doesn’t make any sense.
When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.
by Jeff Bernard on Nov 21, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
Very interesting point of view
But I don’t think Helu would be that great of a kicker, and I DEFINITELY don’t think he’d be able to block the kick. What i DO know is that he has produced better than Torain every time he’s been in. I also know that Kyle has a proclivity to pass the ball way more than he runs it, natter what the situation.
Your love for Kyle is cute. You seem to think that people root against him, and you also seem to think that he shouldn’t be blamed for any of HIS offense’s failings. Well, I’ve got news for you – NOBODY is untouchable on a team that’s lost 6 games in a row, especially the coordinator of one of the worst offenses in the league.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I have no love for Kyle. I just am astute enough to not blame every ineffective play on the OC. If Kyle calls a perfect play and someone doesn’t block or runs the wrong route all the blame goes to Kyle. If Kyle has Torrain in for a 3 yard run everyone says Helu would have taken it 10. If Helu is in the game and gets stuffed at the line its Oh Kyle called the wrong play. The offense works. Period. The players stink. Fact. Now if Kyle calls a run play up the gut on a goal line stance and everyone in the stadium knows its coming then sure you can criticize but that is not what is happening. You clamored for Beck and now its Helu. Maybe Helu is fucking up terribly with things that you don’t see. Maybe he is missing blitz pickups(he is), maybe he runs the wrong routes, maybe he is missing cut back lanes. Maybe any number of things that you don’t see. Its just comical that you assume he hates Helu or he secretly wants us to lose by playing the lesser players. Trust me there are reasons why they do what they do.
When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.
by Jeff Bernard on Nov 21, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Helu is missing assignments. I never said he was doing everything right. In fact, earlier in the season, when people were clamoring for him to get PT over Hightower, I wasn’t one of them. But I do think he should get carries over Torain because, you know what? Torain isn’t doing everything right either. I don’t think Kyle hates Helu, and I don’t think he’s trying to lose. But, I’m sorry, I do question why our most productive runner is sitting behind a guy averaging less than two YPC AND a guy they just picked up off the trash heap.
As for Kyle’s offense, I am not sold on it yet. No, we don’t have the players to make it work,but that’s only part of it. What if we never have a pro bowl quarterback, top 3 receiver, top 10 tight end? Kyle’s offense is far from proven. What is proven is that he doesn’t know how to produce a dominant running game. He may even have a deficiency as far as recognizing what he has in the running game. Right now, he’s got a 5ypc RB basically third on the depth chart. Know who he had third on the depth chart his last year Houston? Arian Foster, who averaged 5ypc.
Now, before you open up on me about Kyle not being the head coach, save it. I realize he may not have final say in who goes in and when. But it’s HIS offense. And if a guy’s not working, he can put the next guy in.
I also don’t blame everything on Kyle. That’s where you go wrong with your blanket statements. I don’t like the fact that he is so pass oriented, but I do recognize that he is calling some very good plays at times. And that QB sneak up the gut (with arex, of all people), was probably one of our top 2 or 3 best play calls all year.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Helu can’t pass block, that makes him very 1-dimensional. They’re giving him a crash course but on passing plays last week he cost us two sacks I saw.
"Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first make sure that you’re not, in fact, surrounded by assholes." - William Gibson
by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 21, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Helu missed SEVERAL assignments yesterday that bit us in the ass
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by Parks Smith on Nov 21, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Facts have no place in a love affair with Helu.
When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.
by Jeff Bernard on Nov 21, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
You're right
But Torain can’t either
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
CLEARLY! Beck would of been a pro bowler with another OC!!!!
Clearly he hates Helu just like he used to hate John Beck.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 21, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Just wondering why
you never see skins fans chanting “we want dallas” anymore?
by nospinzonefactor on Nov 20, 2011 9:26 PM EST reply actions
What's the point?
We’ve sucked, and you guys have just sucked a little less. Neither team is relevant anymore, it’s just that the Skins fans actually realize it. Cowpoke fans WR like Britney Spears fans – they keep expecting a big comeback, and their team keeps getting caught with their panties down.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Nov 20, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Don't you dare.
After the Arizona game, I didn’t stop hearing it chanted till I got into my car in the parking lot.
by Andrew DeFrank on Nov 21, 2011 7:28 AM EST up reply actions
Well it looks like
you got dallas and they got you.
by nospinzonefactor on Nov 22, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Whole stadium was cheering it in Week 2 actually
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you guys don't want me patronizing you
but that was a great game by your team. i thought it would be close, but that was ridiculous.
It's not patronizing if you mean it.
It was a great game.
At least I'm not a whiny, little bitch.
by Jim America on Nov 20, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
The Good news is ...
For those of us who want the skins to draft a QB, we pushed aahead of Seattle and Miami in the pecking order today
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
And looked good doing it. This is what will keep the team together
And when we get a new QB, we still have a team that’s playing hard and believes in the coach. It’s not the losses. It’s the nature of the losses. If we lose the next 6 games by 3 pts or less, that’s the best scenario.
RGIII
Here we come!
…actually, as much as I want him, I hate seeing the Skins lose and I never want them to. We need to beat the Eagles. We should have won this game, but we gave it away. We can’t go 1-5 in the division. Beat the Eagles!
Skins rule
by Horcasitas4 on Nov 20, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Listed as 6'2", 220.
Whether or not that’s true is another story, but that’s a huge difference.
I prefer other stats to height.
Like 479 yards, 4 TDs, and no picks against Oklahoma.
At least I'm not a whiny, little bitch.
DON'T GIVE UP ON THE COACH!!!
I believe our team is coming around. It has taken a long time but the team is getting better! The guys are playing their hearts out and even though we have played several years without winning much of anything I believe they are getting better.
It takes time to turn a ship that has has been lost at sea for years. I believe by the end of the season we will be happy with the players and the coaches. And when that happens, there will be no turning back.
“HAIL TO THE REDSKINS” Oh yah, and God bless the coach.
by Shortmort219 on Nov 20, 2011 9:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
For once
they looked like a football team. The defense played well, the offense actually looked in sync, and special teams were good, except for the missed FG’s. If they keep up this level of play, we may not get to draft high enough.
by redskins-texas-fan on Nov 20, 2011 9:53 PM EST reply actions
Honestly I'm just happy
We showed signs of life. That is all I care about. Btw rexy gave it his all today and played very well. The int was not a good throw but he went for it and armstrong gave up. He should be the starter for remainder of the year and if he can keep it up he should be brought back as a mentor and backup to the draft choice. He gets a lot of criticism but some of the throws today were beautiful. Not to mention no support from the run game again. The ol protected him decent for stretches but had the occasional breakdown. Also the people screaming to run more at this point need their head examined. We literally can barely run the ball, the only time we can is when we set it up with the pass. Kyle is a good oc we should be more patient with him.
by CommunistKevin on Nov 20, 2011 10:08 PM EST reply actions
Thank you
Words outta my mouth
West Springfield Spartans OUTSIDE LB #47
HTTR
by SpartanFS47 on Nov 20, 2011 10:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
+100
When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.
by Jeff Bernard on Nov 21, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
Atleast, a watchable game
I’m with ya though; if a team is on a five game slide, clearly out of the playoff picture, and playing the rival Dallas Cowboys at home, GO FOR THE WIN! With the way the overtime rules are written, it’s a comprable gamble to allow the game to go to OT in this situation.
D-Hall, thanks for taking responsibility, we were all thinking it on too many plays.
Brandon Banks seemed to prove his roster spot in what was a volatile game for Danny Smith’s crew.
Anyone want to explain why the Redskins aren’t giving Helu more caries?
He’s clearly the most talented player on offense…
Well, Helu is not a power back - he hasn't done much more than Torain
He is shifty, but not extremely powerful. A pretty good young RB, but not an all star, yet.
He hasn't done much more than Torain, because he hasn't been given the opportunities.
He has repeatedly shown the ability to make something out of nothing to anyone with eyes to see though.
At least I'm not a whiny, little bitch.
I am completely OK with this, for now.....
we are not making the play-offs this year and we all know RB’s have a very limited shelf life in the NFL. I don’t think he needs the reps as much as the young WR’s. HTTR.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
I'm pretty sure
At one point, he had like 6 rushes for 40 yards yesterday. And that wasn’t a huge anomaly. No, he’s not gonna average 7ypc all the time, but he could probably average closer to 5. I don’t think he’s a 25 carry back, but he should start, and he should get a majority of the carries.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
well, he seems to at least get more than 1 yd per carry. I think we need to see what he can do and the reason, he does not get more touches becasue he can’t block than I think the RB position just moved to # 3 in postions we need to adress in the offseason (ahead of WR,CB, and ILB)
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name
White flag from Btb
I know that was a touch game and i usually like to give 24 hours before posting, but I want to commend several key players on your team that will definitely carry the Redskins back to where they belong. I see a lot of positives coming from this game that I haven’t in the last few for DC. Hopefully one more solid draft can fill some holes and give the fan base something to build on.
I’ll get out of here and let you digest the game yourselves, but that team is close to being legit.
Well...at least there is a CB in Philly who gets paid way more and is playing much worse.
Redskins @LandryJones2012
Anyone else see the hit that TW took on that play he got hurt?
The guy that hit Trents knee dove right at it as soon as the ball was snapped. He didn’t try and block the kick, push the line back or anything like that. One of those plays where the lineman tries to make it like it happened in all the blocking going on at the line. More than a little bit of a dirty play in my opinion.
Exactly what I was thinking it when they showed it
Dallas players are dirty. We knew that. Look who their defensive coordinator is. They didnt even have a choice
by redskinhokie88 on Nov 20, 2011 11:14 PM EST reply actions
- I thought we got jobbed pretty hard by refs in the first half.
- Kudos to Banks and the D for great field position all day.
- Fletcher should be talked about the way Ray Lewis is talked about. He is all heart. This might be his best season as a ’Skin.
- We should have beat Dallas both games this year and one could argue the Kickers decided both games.
- I had to look at Rob Ryan’s face way too many times today.
Hah. +1
He has to be ugliest thing that I have ever had to look at. I didn’t think it could get much worse than rex; then I saw his brother trying to be Rapunzal.
You say goodbye, I say Helu
by Salem'sKeeper on Nov 21, 2011 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
Fletcher is really great but lets not kid ourselves. He is no Ray Lewis. Ray Lewis is better in coverage, better against the run and better rushing the passer. Not to mention he is faster and bigger.
When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.
by Jeff Bernard on Nov 21, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
I almost feel bad for Jason Garrett.
Its wade phillips all over again. Everyone knows who the next Head Coach in Dallas is and its Garretts first year. At least with Snyder its not so obvious
Fear the Turtle!
by HailToTheRedskins on Nov 21, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Solid game and making me nervous
if they continue this play, they will win a couple more games this season. And at this point, I would rather secure one of the top three QBs in the draft and really put the franchise on better footing.
It’s amazing how much better this offense can throw the ball when the QB is protected. Inexplicably, Dallas didnt rush as many men often in important situations, but you can still see a glimpse of what decent QBing and (assuming down the road) better linemen can do!
by les boulez bomber on Nov 21, 2011 3:46 AM EST reply actions
I don’t understand this. You just say its amazing how the offense looks when they protect yet you want to tank so we can get a QB. How about a lineman.
When Gaffney drops the ball I blame Kyle. When Jammal Brown doesn't block I blame Kyle. When Barnes dives out a guys ankles and misses I blame Kyle.
by Jeff Bernard on Nov 21, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
I would just like to say something to all you (former) John Beck supporters: I told you so. I told you so. I told you so. I told you so. I told you so…wait and one more time I TOLD YOU SO.
Yes it seems Rex Grossman physically needs to throw at least one interception a game to stay alive. Yes he forces it sometimes. Yes he will occasionally make a horrific decision. BUT…
He can throw it farther than ten yards unlike Beck. He can throw vertical passes instead of checkdowns every fuckin time he drops back unlike Beck. He can thread the needle unlike Beck. He can stand in the pocket and deliver strikes unlike Beck. He can lead 90 yard clutch game tying drives unlike Beck. He can win a game unlike Beck. He can duel and match pro bowl caliber quarterbacks pass for pass when on a hot streak unlike Beck. He actually has hot streaks and periods of good play unlike Beck. Etc. etc. etc…
Basically the only facets of Quarterbacking that Beck is superior in is scrambling and ball protection. And fyi I make a distinction between scrambling and mobility. Scrambling is just being able to tuck it and run for yards, while mobility is being able to shift around in the pocket and/or roll out to avoid the rush, which Rex does quite well and demonstrated today time after time. Anyway back to Beck’s “superior skill set”, scrambling is the least needed and/or desired trait of quarterbacking (just look at all the all time great QBs) and being a superior scrambler to Sexy Rexy is like being the smartest kid on the short yellow bus. Regarding his better ball protection, this is a legitimate point that many Rex haters view as the sole/main reason for preferring Beck, but honestly I’d rather have a gunslinger who at times can be too much of a loose cannon, yet is always confident in himself and plays to win, pushing the ball down the field and can at times be exceptional, over a winless protector of the ball who only throws checkdowns and thinks that its a sin to throw ten yards past the line of scrimmage because either he is far sighted and thinks the field only extends that far, or he realizes that he is wildly inaccurate past ten yards and throws more burrowers than Donovan Mcnabb on cocaine, so he sticks with his skill set, which is his awesome ability to throw horizontal passes all day long while being a better scrambler than a guy who came into training camp with a muffin top that only left him after he got sick and lost a shitton of weight.
And while I’m ranting I’m going to take this all a step further because I’m being over the top as is BUT…I would be perfectly ok with Rex Grossman being our starting QB going forward into next with no young draft picks behind him at all. Honestly if you think about it he is pulling of a minor miracle putting up 24 points on a not too shabby Dallas D with the majority of our OLine in shambles, absolutely no run game to speak of, and our perennial top two weapons out (Cooley and Moss). Before you berate me for this seemingly asinine idea think to yourself: If we put all our efforts this upcoming offseason into retooling the OLine (which will take pretty much every valuable asset we have including that first round pick everyone wants to spend on a QB), and making it legitimately good for the first time in forever, which in turn would cause our run game to become consistently good, what’s to say we couldn’t win a good amount of games and be a real contender with Sexy Rexy at the helm? Yes he may lose us a game or two but he will also win us a game or two. When we had a good OLine and run game to open the season (which turned out to be a temporary mirage) Rexy led us to a 3-1 record. What has changed since then? Our OLine is in shambles and our run game is shit. If you ask Rexy to pass it all the time, and force it because we have no run game then by golly you’re pretty much begging for Bad Rexy to come out and throw a few interceptions. When he is a cog in the offense instead of the focal point, Sexy Rexy can excel consistently. Yes there will be days where he can carry us a bit like the 90 yard game tying drive today, but you can’t ask or be wholly confident in any quarterback in the NFL, except for maybe five or so, to carry a team with no run game throughout a whole stretch of games. Redskins football has never been about having a franchise savior sling our way to victories. Redskins football is winning 3 super bowls with 3 different QBs and 3 different RBs because the template of great lines on both sides and good defense was always there. Last time I checked this template still works perfectly fine today (49ers, Ravens, Jets, Steelers of recent past before they started becoming so pass happy, SD with LT, etc. etc. etc.) and Shanahan’s philosophy is in tune with this team building approach (run a lot with no name backs behind a great ZB line to set up vertical passing) except for the fact that Shanahan’s defense’s have usually sucked, but now in defense we have a good defense that will only get better as more parts are added and our young star mature, its just now we need to get a better defensive coordinator that doesn’t blitz 9 people on 3rd and 25 with the game on the line.
If con is the opposite of pro, then what is the opposite of progress?
by Area 51 Forever on Nov 21, 2011 3:50 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don't want Rex as the long term answer
he’s streaky and yesterday just happened to be 1 of his good days.
Grossman is the lesser of two evils.
Neither is the answer. RG3 baby.
Fear the Turtle!
by HailToTheRedskins on Nov 21, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
TL;DR
At least I'm not a whiny, little bitch.
Yeah, not reading the giant masturbatory post either
Most of the people who wanted to see Beck simply wanted to get him some game time so a fair comparison could be made. We had that, and obviously Beck wasn’t ready for prime time. Now it’s back to the lesser of two evils. But if you think for a second that Grossman is the future, you’re fooling yourself.
beat me to it
You say goodbye, I say Helu
by Salem'sKeeper on Nov 21, 2011 8:18 AM EST up reply actions
Rex for backup for all the reasons you mentioned..
But we need to draft a qb. Rex can manage games, not win them. You know who else had a shoddy o line and crap running game? Rodgers (although, admittedly, he had great WRs). I want a qb who can win when all else fails. Not another manager. That may be the type of qb we’re in position to get with our high pick (probable) and deep qb class (definite). Also, I think most ppl were pulling for beck because of his unknowns. We knew who sexy was; we wanted to see who Beck was. Turns out he was a bum. But to list all the qualities that Beck lacks as evidence of why we shouldn’t have turned to him seems illogical. Unless, of course, you knew ahead of time he lacked those skills. Personally I didn’t, and I wanted to see what he had.
You say goodbye, I say Helu
by Salem'sKeeper on Nov 21, 2011 8:17 AM EST up reply actions
Our O line
And running game were pretty similar to Dallas’ yesterday. Romo was being pressured all over the place. The difference is, he knows how to handle it. Even thrive in it. We need someone who can thrive under pressure.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Rex
Thrived in it yesterday. He matched romo
by CommunistKevin on Nov 21, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn
Tell me about old Chuck and Duck Rex. That’s exactly what he did on that pick. Yeah for the most part old Train Rex played OK…in this game. So tell me about the Skins leading the league in turnovers and who is responsible for that stat.
by DudleyDoright on Nov 21, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
at least we weren't blown out
Not that losing, much less losing to Dallas ever really feels good.
Our OL depth has really hurt is this year.
obviously dissapointed in the loss....
but I can take some pleasure in the fact I am sure we had Dalls fans everywhere cursing, breaking stuff and slamming cheap beer in disgust right up until the very end.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
Laron who?
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exactly
Gomes looks like another promising rookie. He even almost received the obligatory promising rookie season ending injury.. also, he didn’t celebrate after the girls got a first down. Which is, you know, normal.
You say goodbye, I say Helu
by Salem'sKeeper on Nov 21, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
based on what?
This is not intended as support of Landry, but Gomes looked overmatched everytime he was forced to cover WItten. Every time…
I think we should hold off on the promising tag until further notice…
Landry doesn't look outmatched when covering Witten?
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by Parks Smith on Nov 21, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Is it possible that both are not "promising"
Everything isn’t either/or my friend…reread the first line of my comment..
and to answer your question….Landry looks less overmatched but he also has 4 years on Gomes…
based on the stats..
He had the most tackles other than London, he got pressure on Romo when he blitzed, and he didn’t give up any huge plays that I saw. If a rookie isn’t able to shut down one of the best TEs in the league in his FIRST game, he isn’t promising? that’s a pretty high standard for promising. You say he couldn’t cover him “every time”? Witten only had three receptions and his long one was Riley’s fault. So yes, a fifth round safety limiting Witten to two receptions while plugging up his running lanes and almost leading the team in tackles would be something I consider promising.
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by Salem'sKeeper on Nov 21, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Would you like me to go find the games
where Reed Doughty had the most tackles in a game other than London Fletcher? The times he only allowed a TE to catch 3 balls.
Stats are helpful. But there is more to player evaluation than the stats from one game.
Maybe he turns into Ryan Clark. Who knows….but I am not going to be a prisoner of the moment and ignore what my own eyes saw. I need more info before deciding that a guy who played sparingly all year is a promising rookie.
wow. I don't even know why I am responding, but here it goes..
Yes, Please show me the Reed’s FIRST game where he had the second most tackles on the team and prevented a TE of Witten’s caliber from catching more than two balls. PLEASE SHOW ME!
I didn’t say the dude was the next sean taylor, I didn’t say he was as good as Laron, I said he was promising. I am simply saying, based on what “my own eyes saw,” that I thought the kid looked good in his first game, especially for a fifth round pick. You said “based on what” and I provided you with concrete examples. You haven’t given me any basis other than what your “own eyes saw.” That typically doesn’t help the discourse.
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by Salem'sKeeper on Nov 21, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I will tell you what I didn't see.....
I didn’t see Gomes just kind of hanging out in space while a player runs wide open through his zone,
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If he did, Romo didn't find him
since Witten had all of about 20 yards other than the 1 long play where Gomes wasn’t covering him. He might have been the closest man but that was a broken play and a hole in the zone, not 1-1.
I will say it...
Kyle once again did not do himself any favors. He was better, but this was another game of questionable calls at really inopportune times. He has to correct this before next year, otherwise, we are going to be in a ton of trouble.
His dad also didn’t do much better…
Some positives from the game, but I have really seen throughout the year very questionable coaching from top to bottom.
by DavidDunn on Nov 21, 2011 11:03 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
hmmm
Which questionable calls are you referring to? the qb draw? the fade route? maybe the two HB draws prior to the half that put us in position to take the lead? I’m not a big fan of Kyle, but the only “questionable” calls I saw were the back to back end arounds to start the game off.
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by Salem'sKeeper on Nov 21, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
trust me...you don't want to go down that path
I will go through them, but you already names two plays…
I stated he was better…but there were many more bad calls, bad clock management, and player package decisions than the first two plays…I will list them out later, but yesterday was not the day to write home about…
I as well thought you guys were going for two, and that would be the end of the game. With the momentum you guys had on that final drive, the opportunity to put a major knife in our playoff hopes and nothing to lose, I didn’t really think it was much of an option.
But Shanahan is an old school coach, and he seemed to believe in extending the game…
You guys played a tremendous game, your O-Line, tackles in particular because Ratliff was able to get penetration, shut Rob Ryan up. The way you guys found the TE and FB leaking out into the flat brought back painful memories of when the Saints crushed us a few years ago. Of course our miscues on ST in the first half contributed greatly to not running away with it at first, but Banks was a mean, mean weapon.
Classic Cowboys-Redskins game, see you guys next year.
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I won’t hold my breath for the bromance to continue :)
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by Parks Smith on Nov 21, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
cool...I have friends and connections to Farmville
good for you for sticking with them…a bit of a hike from Richmond though….not around the corner…
everyone wanted him to be devin hester....which is unfair.
and have the ability to play on offense…which is fair. Instead, he’s taking up a roster spot and he’s been entirely average.
HTTR!
I can see an argument to move him off KR
I think at that position, breaking tackles is more important than open field ability but it’s not his fault if the coaching staff isn’t taking advantage of him. I see no reason why they couldn’t run a screen or end around for him once or twice a game, send him deep a couple times a game. He can be just as much of an offensive weapon as a guy like Ginn or Cobb, we just prefer to play no upside vets like Stallworth.
B/c we start at the 15 like 5 times a game
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Orakpo was held on the first Tony Romo touchdown...
basically horsecollared…just saw the replay…
Did they mention that on the broadcast?
The reffing was an absolute crapfest. Boiled down to the cowturds got most of the calls in their favor. Seems like that’s the way it always goes.
by AplastarCraneos on Nov 21, 2011 12:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
By the way, what was the deal with shanny calling a timeout to ice the kicker with 2 seconds on the play clock. At best it was going to be a very rushed attempt that could have lead to a miss. At worst, they would have been penalized for calling a timeout without having one to use.
by AplastarCraneos on Nov 21, 2011 12:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yep
Football Outsiders said that statistically kickers do better after an icing (though it’s like 1%).
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 21, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
I read today that Romo was also calling for a timeout...if the refs had noticed him first, would have been a 15 yard penalty...man that would have been sweet
by StephanHart on Nov 21, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I also believe that if shanny waits, they get a delay of game penalty. Then, IF the kicker makes the same kick, he misses because he nearly missed from the closer distance. Oh well tho.
by AplastarCraneos on Nov 21, 2011 1:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hey...
Can I point out that Perry Riley is a fucking beast? If the ageless Fletcher ever retires, then we may have found his replacement.
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