Looks Like Someone Has a Sixpack of the Mondays: Can Bruce Allen Say "Rebuild" Now?!?
by Ken Meringolo on Nov 14, 2011 12:07 PM EST
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Print1. We all laughed at and rationalized Bruce Allen's ludicrous preseason statements about how, "Rebuild...does not exist...in this dojo, does it?!?" Of course we were rebuilding, but we all at least partially understood that Allen was trying to make sure his team knew they were committed to winning now and forever. Awesome. The bad news for people who jumped down that rabbit hole is that today, you are stuck in a very, very deep hole with a difficult climb ahead. Even for those of us who looked at this team in late August/early September and saw a team that was still a long way from contending in the NFC, the reality of the current situation is still very deflating. One just has to look around at some of our fellow bottom dwellers to see possible alternatives to our experience. Carolina is not having a great season either, but they are making it exciting. You might argue that they are doing it with a top rookie quarterback prospect. That is true, but it is their second year in a row rolling with a top rookie quarterback prospect. And the point is that they are losing, but they seem to be going down swinging most weeks. The Redskins are striking out without even a bat in their hands.
2. I have been adamant that Mike Shanahan's job is among the safest jobs in the league, and I remain adamant. The question is not whether or not the 2012 season, complete with all of our new draft choices and any free agent signings, will cost or save Mike Shanahan's job. The issue is really: "If Shanahan strikes out in 2012 with his personnel decisions, he still has (at least) a couple years of leash left." Thomas Boswell over at the Post must be reading Hogs Haven! He seems to have come around on that.
3. Hank the Tank!!! It did not happen the way I spent all summer predicting it, but Leonard Hankerson has finally emerged as an active participant in our passing game. Notice I do not use the word "weapon" or "threat." While I do think he could serve as such at some point, it would be wrong to suggest our passing game boasts anything even remotely threatening.
4. I know many of us have turned our attention to the top college games on the slate each week, as these games likely feature multiple players that could or should be targeted by Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan next April. Stanford football has turned into must-see TV for fans of the Colts, Redskins, and Dolphins, among other fanbases. The more I see of Andrew Luck, the more I love him as a pro prospect--but the more I see of him, the more I am convinced that he is not two or three first round picks better than Matt Barkley of USC. That is what it could potentially cost the team interested in jumping up to grab Luck in that draft, including a team like ours that would just need to trade up a handful of spots at the most. This observation is brought to you by the "Our Team Needs As Many Top Draft Picks As Possible And Can Not Afford To Give Up A Single First Round Draft Pick For The Next Few Years" Department.
5. You know you are a bit punch-drunk when you tune in to watch your team play and, when seeing that the starting running back is NOT the same as the guy who just last week set a franchise record out of the backfield, you don't even question it. I saw Torain back there and my exact reaction was: "Hrumph." To be honest, I am kind of amused by how many different lineup configurations end up with the same result. How many of you out there remember those "Choose Your Own Adventure" books? This season is like its own version of one, except every choice leads you to the same page and conclusion. I can just see Mike Shanahan leaving his finger on the page where he decides whether to start the turnover-prone gunslinger, or go with the unproven and unheralded 30-year old rookie. As he flips to the new page revealing the fruits of his decision, and reads about how his decision has resulted in yet another devastating loss, he hurriedly races back to the original page, exclaiming, "My finger was still on the page! My finger was still on the page!"
6. As I stated in August, the biggest pleasure this season was always going to be unwrapping our draft day presents. Losing Jarvis Jenkins sucked, but the reality is that our top four draft picks ended up being very solid choices. We can play the "what if we took that guy instead" game all we want, but we did get four guys capable of starting for us, and that is a huge step for this team. We need to repeat it over and over again.
I am not counting down the days until the draft in 2012. I am counting down the days until we play Dallas. Today it is six days until that game. Let's see what Mike Shanahan comes up with to shake things up against the Cowgirls. There is no way in the world I would ever root for us to lose period...much less against Dallas.
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Robert Griffin 3
Lots of talk about Barkley as the #2 behind Luck, but I have a tough time saying Barkley is better than either Landry Jones or Robert Griffin. I’m no Bruce Allen but I think Griffin is going to be a hell of an NFL QB. I think he throws the best deep ball of the bunch.
One more note about this year’s draft class — we got ourselves four starters in this draft. Hankerson will be the starter until Moss returns, and probably will be the starter next season. Jenkins, barring setback, will be the starter next season at his postition. Helu and Kerrigan have been exceptional. If you think about it, that’s an amazing haul. Including last year’s draft (where we were really short-handed) we got three more starters in Riley, Hurt and Williams. These guys are all getting experience. That’s a great thing. Unlike last year, where we had no rookies playing and we were losing, now we have a lot of young guys on the field.
We have a ton of picks in this year’s draft and we will be picking really high. This draft and off-season will set the tone for the next 3 years. If/when we make some plays in free agency, a good draft on top of it will completely overhaul this franchise. All’s not lost.
Man I like Griffin, but I really don't think he's going to be a good NFL QB.
There is some talk about Baylor sneaking into the Texas Bowl vs. Penn State. I’d really like to see Griffin go against a solid defense.
Also if you do like Griffin as a prospect then you also have to ask yourself is Griffin a good fit for this scheme? I really think Barkley is our guy.
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I like barkley as well
I wouldn’t mind luck of course but barkley looks solid and gettin him won’t be as costly
by BmoreRedskin on Nov 14, 2011 12:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why
Why don’t you think an exceptional athlete like Griffin would work in this offense? If it was a Coryell style system I would be more inclined to agree.
It's more of who is a better fit for the system and I think that's Barkley
RG3 is an a very gimmicky, option based offense. At times he struggles to make throws on the run, which is big in this bootleg heavy scheme.
I don’t know what it is, but he just doesn’t look the part to me. I hope I’m wrong, b/c I think he’s a good kid and a special athlete.
Here is his tape from the Missouri game, it shows some of his positive and negative aspects: http://draftbreakdown.com/robert-griffin-vs-missouri-2011
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What would you give up
to move from the #2 pick to the #1, if anything? If Washington loses the rest of their games, an unfortunate possibility given who they lost to yesterday, they could easily get the #2 pick. In that scenario, wouldn’t it be worth a fair amount to ensure you get Peyton Manning, and not Ryan Leaf? Of course, Indy could well decide not to sell the pick for anything less than a Ricky Williams type offer.
The only negative I have heard about Luck is arm strength. I watched his game this weekend, and he seemed to have enough zip on the ball.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 14, 2011 12:20 PM EST reply actions
I wouldn't trade anything.
Go back and watch Stanford v. USC a couple of weeks ago. Barkley played better then Luck in my opinion. The more I watch Barkley this year the more me likey.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
No way
I would never trade a stockpile of picks to move up to one. I would be happy with any of the four kids and they are likely to get one of them.
Does anyone have the number of picks we have for 2012?
We keep talking about it, but what is the exact number? And at this point, I wouldn’t trade away a thing to move up. Keep the number 2 and maybe trade back to get more picks and build depth, but, that’s all I would do.
We have 9 or 10.
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I like #2 the best
We need all our picks. REBUILDING!
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by HogNasty on Nov 14, 2011 12:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by Parks Smith on Nov 14, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
What What!
Grossman made the top 32 in ESPN’s QBR rating! Things are looking up.
I still bet he is below Tebow, however…
How in the world
Do you win a game with only two completions? He didn’t get a completion until the second half. One of the military schools, Army I think, won Saturday without any completions. For a while, I thought Denver was going to as well.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 14, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
How was that game not flexed to Prime Time? I don't care if they aren't flexing yet...this is TEBOW TIME!
After the money Tebow made the networks as a college player, I am SHOCKED there is not a Tebow Rule in the NFL that makes all Tebow games automatically prime time affairs…on Tuesday.
That’s right…it’s Tebow Tuesday! You are lying if you say you would not tune in. You either watch because you want to see how Tebow will pull off a win, or you watch because you want to see Tebow get his knees broken running the ball.
by Ken Meringolo on Nov 14, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Check the schedule
It’s called Tebow Thursday.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 14, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Tebow Tuesday has a better ring to it
I watch because it makes me feel good to know I have better throwing mechanics then at least 1 starting NFL QB.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
But he is playing on Thursday....
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 14, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
details...
Maybe they should make the 8 worst teams in the league play on Tuesdays. Kind of like the MAC.
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But what would we do on Sunday?
That would leave a solid three and a half hours to do something other than watch the Redskins lose. I might actually have to do some chores around the house.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 14, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Play golf...
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too much snow
I’d have to go for a hole in one on every hole. Otherwise, the ball is just gone.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 14, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
O yea you live in Denver.
Just go to Avs games or something. haha
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hahahahahaha.....
enjoy that fantasy while you can Parks….by next season it will be clean the garage, go to home depot, mow the grass and pull the weeds.
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Hoo Haaa Two Times Tebow Tuesdays?
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Last Post for the Season
“WE SUCK”
It’s been said every way imaginable over the past 10 weeks, and 10 years for that matter. There is nothing left to be said. I’ll chime in closer to the draft about the QB prospects. Enjoy the rest of the season.
Hard
It may be frustrating but the ineptitude of the previous regime is what it is. It’s not on the current regime.
How long
are people going to keep blaming Zorn/Cerrato?
Look at what Jim Harbaugh did in SF. And he never coached a down in the NFL. Shanny has 2 rings.
Harbaugh inherited one of the best defenses in the league and has Frank Gore along with a lot of other talent.
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People keep forgetting that coach Joe inherited Spurrier's personnel
And we were a lot better than these last two years. I’m interested to see why people think that is.
I have my own theory that I will share at the end of the season.
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by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 14, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
He also had a stellar line, a pro bowl RB, and a capable QB
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He also had ST21
He would have been a Hall of Famer
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
That is what I am saying
Coach Joe and Vinny acquired good talent through the draft and free agency.
They also made some mistakes as well like trading for DJ docket.
But the point is, he was able to rebuild on the fly. This regime is flailing all about like Wiley coyote and not really getting anything done yet.
There really isn’t any reason that we should suck this bad other than poor personnel decisions
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by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 15, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Did you really just say Gibbs and Cerrato aquired talent in the draft?
How long have you been a fan of the Skins? Not trying to be a dick but you have alot of misconceptions about this team the past 10 years. You do realize that throughout his tenure here Cerrato was considered one of the two worst GM/VPs in the NFL. The other being Millen.
Cerrato constantly traded away picks and was always on the wrong end of trades. We overpaid for so many guys because Vinny would panic. I am amazed that anyone can say they are a Skins fan and defend Cerrato. They guy drove the franchise that I love more then anything besides my family and is tied with my car.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 15, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, I'll answer-but you really aren't responding to my point again
I have been a fan of Washington for 34 years, since I was 13.
I bet you I remember the last 10 years off the top of my head without googling anything more than most on this board.
I know that Cerrado did more to ruin this team more than anyone else than Dan Snyder. BUT-when coach Joe was here and also have the title of vice president of football operations, he drafted
Sean Taylor
Chris Cooley
Carlos Rogers
and traded for
Pete Kendall
Clinton Portis
that is off the top of my head-no googling
some bad moves that they are responsible for
Adam Archuleta
TJ docket
Brandon Lloyd
Randall L.
There was no way I was trying to defend Vinny-I was pointing out that coach Joe was able to build a contender in two years with that ball and chain hanging around his neck.
I hope I have made myself clearer this time
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by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 15, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah we were never contenders. We got to the playoffs a couple of times but we were never contenders
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 15, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
you are right
That was probably too strong a word… how about playoff team?
My main point was that there is very little excuse to be this bad at this point.
There have been plenty of mistakes made personnel wise and the good decisions that have been made have not so far overcome the bad.
Personally, I am willing to wait till the end of 2012-after that, the pitchforks and torches come out If we are not playing meaningful games in December.
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by Skins Fan '77 on Nov 16, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
my theory is
if we won with rex or john then mikes son kyle would look like a no braner for a head coaching job. if they failed rex and john would get the blame.
Not only that
He’s doing it with a QB, Alex Smith, who most here would have rated below Grossman prior to this season. Goes to show you that you can win games without an elite QB, if you have a good defense, including a pro-bowl CB like Carlos Rogers, and a decent running game.
Carlos
Is playing at a level so far this season that he never played at here and that is on Carlos Rogers. Sometimes a change of scenery just makes everything click.
Or a change in vision.
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I thought you were done posting for this season?
I don’t think many would’ve put Grossman over Smith. Smith has always had a bad rap, he’s just being asked to manage the game now and it’s a perfect role for him.
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Goes to show you that you can win games without an elite QB
Tell the Jets that.
I was dead set against any talk of bringing Smith here.
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Time
Until a sufficient length of time has passed to clean up their mess. We are nowhere near that point yet. It’s at least one probably two more drafts away.
Maurice Hurt
I’m hearing he played well yesterday but am having difficulty finding any kind of analysis of it. Anyone got anything?
He caused a sack
that’s all I remember. It’s difficult to focus on a lineman so I can’t tell you much beyond that.
Hank the Tank
Played great and agreed he isn’t a threat or weapon yet but on his way. I hope he isn’t injured bad cuz I want to see more.
How secure would Shanny be...
…if/when he loses 10 in a row? Or end the year on a 12-loss streak? Who’s head would be on the platter? Does it matter at that point?
The easter bunny and santa clause
will both show up at your house on your birthday before Mike would fire his son. And blaming this offense on Kyle is like blaming a chef for a bad meal that is made out of dirt and poop.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 14, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
How fresh is the poop and can you describe the dirt?
by Ken Meringolo on Nov 14, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Only
the freshest organic farm poop.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 14, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
LOOKS LIKE
Skins fans are in for another 3-5 years field goal attempts then
Well that's a bad analogy
If the chef actually WANTED the dirt and poop, but told me it was cinnamon on chocolate cake, then I totally blame him. Not only that, but once I taste it and realize its dirt and poop, I go back in the kitchen and punch the chef in the face. Twice.
Kyle helped make this mess. He’s the one who vouched for Rex ,and “jumped on the table” for Beck. That’s how we ended up with probably the worst quarterback tandem in the history of the league.
But it goes beyond that. Not only is he going into a game with one (sometimes both) arms tied behind his back because of the lack of talent at QB, but he continues to actually PUT IT ON the QB to win the game. Yesterday, Roy Helu’s first carry went for ten yards. What did Kyle do after that? He called 3 pass plays in a row, and then we punted. That’s pretty much been the theme of the season.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
You can't blame Kyle for playcalling
especially not at the beginning of the game, where the plays are scripted. You better believe that Mike Shanahan has complete control of what is happening on the offense. If Mike wanted the games called differently, it would happen, as he would change the script.
It’s like people who are mad at Banks for bringing the ball out when the kickoff is 9 yards deep in the end zone. He clearly has been told by the coaches to bring it out in those situations, or he would have been benched by now.
Unless you are Denver, you can’t win in this league without good play at QB.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 14, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, don't get me wrong
I blame Mike just as much. But that drive I was talking about, I believe, was in the third quarter. Maybe the fourth. It wasn’t scripted. It was Kyle calling on Helu (after they FINALLY gave him the ball), the rookie bailing him out, an then Kyle getting greedy and going back to what he would RATHER do.
I don’t blame Kyle for WANTING to pass the ball. It’s what got him where he is. But if he wants to actually be a GOOD coordinator, he has to learn to adapt. His talent doesn’t match what he had in Houston, so he can’t call games like he called them Houston. Not yet anyway. He needs to be much more balanced. And people make me laugh when they say “the run isn’t working.” we’ll, I gotta tell ya, the pass ain’t doing much either. Right now, I would rather run for two or three yards on first and second, then throw for 0.
I understand he’s limited by his talent at QB. But he chose that talent, and now he’s stuck with it. He went into a firefight with a Slurpee maker. You can’t keep throwing Slurpee’s at the fire. They might look good for a little while, but in the end, they’ll melt every time.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
It doesn't matter what plays are called
they don’t have the personnel to win right now. You can personally select anyone in the league you would like to coach this team, and they still wouldn’t win.
Throwing on first down makes it easier on the QB because the defense has to honor the run. Running on first and second downs, then only throwing on third down is the hardest thing you can do for a QB. That long pass to Davis was wide open because the defense bit on the run fake. Too bad Grossman doesn’t have a strong enough arm to get it there.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 14, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
I understand
It makes it easier on the QUARTERBACK, but it doesn’t make it easier on the team. Running the ball is easier on the team. The offensive line gets to move forward, be in act, instead of REact mode, and you actually go forward.
That long pass to Davis was wide open because the defense bit on the run fake. Too bad Grossman doesn’t have a strong enough arm to get it there
That’s my point right there. First of all, if the defense knows you don’t run it, they won’t bite on the fake. But that’s beside the point. What I’m saying is, our -quarterback(s) -passing game is incapable of sustaining drives. There are plenty of throws they cant make. So the ball shouldnt be in their hands as much as it is.at the very least, it should be a 50-50 split. Though right now I would prefer it be a little heavier on the run.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
You just have to do what I have done
and recognize the very real possibility that they won’t win another game this year. The defense will have to score, probably multiple times, for them to win. First and goal at the five turns into fourth and goal at the eleven. They couldn’t even get 5 yards.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 14, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
And
Kyle opposed bringing in McNabb last year as a bad fit, so he tried to avoid some of the poop. I don’t believe either of them ever thought that Beck or Grossman was any good, they just didn’t want the players to have that excuse, so they couldn’t admit it publicly. Shanahan has no problem whatsoever lying to anyone and everyone with his cold dead crazy eyeball stare.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 14, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're wrong.
I think he thought Grossman could be an OK backup, which he probably is. But Kyle himself said, once again, the he “jumped on the table” for Beck. They TRADED for Beck. Remember who was here then? Everyone likes to joke about the “Cult of Colt”. Well, I’m not saying Colt wouldve turned into a viable starter. But there’s no doubt in m mind he would’ve been better than Beck. Definitely more fun to watch. So yeah, I’ll say it, right now I’d rather have Colt Brennan than either of the guys we have right now.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
there are about 1000 guys
I’d rather have than GrossBeck. This offense would be much better with Jason Campbell, but there isn’t much point in the what if game. I wanted them to sign Brees when he went to New Orleans, what if they had only done this, how many games would he have won?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 14, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not really trying
To play “what if”. I was just pointing out that they actually envisioned Beck as a viable option for the future. That’s why they traded for him, and that’s why the extended him. They thought he was a better long term fit than Brennan. That’s why I brought that up.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I don't think they ever thought he was a solution long term
they always knew this year would be a rebuilding year. There weren’t any Mark Brunell type guys available this year, so fix the defense and get your QB before next season.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 14, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Semantics
Maybe not LONG long term, but they obviously thought he was a viable option in the future. Forget about trading for him, we didn’t give up anything. But they signed him to an extension, before he had em played a snap for them. Add that to the testimony by BOTH Shanahans that they each liked Beck coming out of college, and there’s no doubt in my mind that they that they had something in Beck.
I also realize that there wasn’t much out there at the position (No way were they gonna get Hasselback after screwing the pooch on McNabb) . Short of a young, LEGIT starter they weren’t going away from their “plan”, which was to prove that their system could win with any bum.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
beat dallas
I would never cheer for us to lose but I do want a good quarterback of the future. But right now I’m just concerned about beating Dallas and trying to win games. Let the pieces fall where they will.
by no more kwame's in dc on Nov 14, 2011 1:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I didn't bother watching the game:
Can somebody give me some highlights? Box score/Stats indicate Ryan Kerrigan had another monster outing.
Will he be looked over as DPOTY because he plays with a bunch losers and is coached by a bunch of inept has beens?
The biggest standout for me
was Hankerson. 8 receptions, 106 yards. Looks like a player. I will gladly admit I was wrong about him.
Kerrigan seems to have learned from last week to swat the ball when going for a sack. Forced two fumbles.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 14, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Were his receptions
In garbage time? or were they big third downs, chain moving plays, etc etc?
So you're critquing the Skins but didn't see the game?
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Did i have to watch the game?
Was the offense explosive? Was the defense make stops?
Our defense is fine.
If our offense actually sustained drives then I think the defense would look a lot better.
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Our defense
is flat out nasty. I feel that they lose so much grit due to the offense not giving them any help.
I didnt even know he was injured.
I hope he looked promising.
He did. He had third down conversions. Downfield catches. Good routes. Good hands.
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i was screaming hank the tank a few times
then he got hurt and i screamed a four letter words a few times!!!
think that sums it up pretty good?
Yeah we suck but I gotta say i'll take that type of loss
I am not for tanking for a higher pick but after each L, I won’t lie I get kind of pumped up about a higher draft pick. Especially when the Rams, Cards, and Seahawks get W’s. The reason I saw i’ll take that type of loss is because the guys I want to see develope performed well. Hankerson and Riley both provided a lot of encouragement for the future and if they can solidfy themselves as starters then its huge for us going forward. Helu did not get many opportunities but I think it’s safe to say he will be a good player. Kerrigan is an absolute monster and I hate to admit it but at this point I think he is better than Rak.
At least this offseason we can directly identify our major holes and will have the resources to fill them. Offense needs FOUR legit new starters, QB, RT, G/C, #1WR. With a strong free agent class at both the WR position and interior line we can fill those gaps. QB and RT should be the top 2 priorities in the draft. If Hankerson keeps it up I think we can definitely go into the year feeling confident that he can be our #2 WR with Santana in the slot and Jabar as our #4. Go after Marques Colston/Dwayne Bowe/Steve Johnson/Manningham/Vincent Jackson in the free agent market. Interior linemen our top target should be Carl Nicks who the Saints may have a tough time resigning.
Perry Riley’s emergence could allow us another year before we draft a stud MLB with a 1st or 2nd round pick. I still think we should take a MLB this year with one of our later picks. The defense’s most glaring need is in the secondary but the free agent crop is thin and with our top picks in the draft going to the O it could be tough to come by.
Again though, if the young guys solidify themselves and we dont quit while still racking up L’s i’ll have to take it. It is all i can ask for at this point.
Yep. Since we're going to lose, we need to do it while giving rookies playing time
now get DeJon Gomes in there
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Nov 14, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am all for giving Gomes a look
It is clear that OJ hasn’t been healthy since the preseason. I still think he will be a fairly significant piece next year but we might as well rest him more until he is fully ready and then plug him back in there. I loved Gomes in the preseason, he made some mistakes but he did everything full speed
Question: When did this season end?
To me the season ended with the strip sack turnover in Dallas. All the good-will went out of the window on that play. We haven’t been the same since. That was a back breaker; the Skins had the chance to get a huge primetime division road victory but instead, this…
Season ended
with the injuries to the OL. I don’t see injuries as an excuse, but when the depth is razor thin like this year it’s hard to absorb those.
by l.pensinger on Nov 14, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't possibly agree with this more:
The more I see of Andrew Luck, the more I love him as a pro prospect—but the more I see of him, the more I am convinced that he is not two or three first round picks better than Matt Barkley of USC. That is what it could potentially cost the team interested in jumping up to grab Luck in that draft, including a team like ours that would just need to trade up a handful of spots at the most. This observation is brought to you by the “Our Team Needs As Many Top Draft Picks As Possible And Can Not Afford To Give Up A Single First Round Draft Pick For The Next Few Years” Department.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Right on
And “Best Pick Available” is looking better and better for us.
No, has to be QB or OL or we're never going to be good.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
#5
was spot on. If it wasn’t obvious before that the Shanny’s were using this season to “evaluate” the roster it is painfully apparent now. There have been so many random starting combinations (that havent necessarily had anything to do with injuries), that you have to believe that they are just playing guys to see what they can do. I dont necessarily disagree with that at this stage for the ‘Skins, but there’s just no other explanation that can support why you start Torain over Helu after the week he had against the 49ers. Then Helu comes in off the bench and rushes for over 40 yards on only 6 carries proving that he should have started the game to begin with. I am excited to see what Choice brings to the table – hopefully he gets a decent amount of carries this week, but I think Helu should def start
is it just me?
or does bruce allen look higher then a kite every time i see him? it looks like he smokes a big blunt before he comes into the booth. and he cant stop smiling lol
Wouldn't you
If it was YOUR JOB to watch this team? Imagine his conundrum. You know he secretly wants this team to lose, so he can get a higher pick. But every loss goes to his resume, and the more they pile up, the closer he gets to being considered a failure.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
#3 should have been
Uuuuhhhmmm.
I can’t remember.
Wait a minute.
No it’s not that.
Sorry I can’t remember.
Shoot.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 14, 2011 3:02 PM EST reply actions
Jesus christ
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
and the hits just keep on coming
I googled it, sounds like a 3 month recovery period, so he should be ready for mincamps and things.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 14, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Shanahan said the typical recovery period is 4 months. This is not a good injury for young WR.
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I think Parks' point was
We hope he’s “capable” after the injury.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
because I was a 2 year medical student
and because I read about labrum tears on the internet, most labrum tears heal and don’t affect what the person can do in the future.
by hambonejackson on Nov 14, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, but this
Because I was a 2 year medical student
Doesn’t evoke much confidence. I was a two year Spanish language student. Hola is about the best I can do now.
And THIS
and because I read about labrum tears on the Internet
Is just funny. I read about flying planes on the Internet. Next time you need to fly somewhere, give me a call. I’ll be happy to get in the cockpit.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Because I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express
And because I don’t always drink beer but when I do I prefer Dos Equis I say he will not only be okay but he will be a Probowler.
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 14, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So this means
Brandon Banks starts at WR versus the cowboys? Him or David Anderson.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Nov 14, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
I always enjoy
your obscure culture references from the 80s, Ken. I always got a chose your own adventure book at the book fair. That and the Guiness book of world records.
"Soy un perdedor" -- Beck
I always got
Stephen King. I hate clowns.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I always got
Stephen King. I hate clowns.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
They had Stephan King at your elementary school book fair?
Awesome!
My mom was a Stephan King fan so i read Pet Cemetery in middle school.
"Soy un perdedor" -- Beck
Dont be surprised if Malcolm Kelly is signed back
Something tells me that his injury settlement might prevent this. Anyone know?
I hope this is a joke.
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Ryan Kerrigan is a friggin' beast
Defensive Rookie of the Year. Just throwing that out there.
what u guys think of us getting peyton manning rumors?
not sure how ied like it to get both a new qb and him since he likes to hog all the snaps. which would be even worse if he went to a new team. i wouldnt mind him as a play caller though lol
Won't happen
Cut Brandon "Stabby" Banks. That is all.
by 64ShagginWagon on Nov 15, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Count down the days until the draft.
Be kind to yourself. Remember that December game in the rain at FexEx where Timmy Hasslebeck put up a whopping 0.0 QB rating and we were shut out? Somehow I feel that coming again.
The draft will be a better time for us…. Until we give up two first round picks for Peyton Manning.
i think we can get him for cheap.
maybe a 2nd and next years 3rd. the guy has a big pay check over his head. plus that big injury risk around his neck. colts could just wanna get rid of him.
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